Yes please put me done also...Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:41 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Fw: Bettie Update > Kimberly what a wonderful idea, please put my name down for signing!! I'm sure others will want to > contact you as well to add their signatures! > If any others want to sign, please contact Kimberly at kmorgan@bmghomes.com > > Debra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Morgan, Kimberly > To: Debra Crosby > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 7:29 PM > Subject: RE: Bettie Update > > > If you want to gather names of people that you believe would be willing we can do a greeting card with signatures to say that we miss her - I know she could use the pick me up but since I had to take myself off of the mailing lists until the Georgia "stuff" is over (I'm on the elections committee) I'm not sure who all would be willing to sign. She sure could use it, lots going on in her life right now.. > > Take care, > > Kimberly > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >

Carol, The OPD Genealogical Society's URL is: http://oldpendleton.homestead.com Dawn >From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Check out Main Archives Launching Screen for Patrons >to Search Database >Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2003 13:15:36 -0500 > >Thanks, MK - my lines also came through SC, and I know what you mean about >it being hard to research on the web. One resource I have found helpful is >the CD made by the Old Pennington group - I tried to find a link to it but >the main state site for SCGenWeb seems to be down and I can not find >anything about it now - will be happy to do a lookup (after I get past a >current deadline) if you are not familiar with the CD or if it is no >longer available. It used to be easy to find with a Google search - maybe >I am not doing it right this morning - ?? > >Carol > > >At 03:28 PM 4/8/2003, TooFem@aol.com wrote: >> <A HREF="http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/default.asp">Click here: Main >>Archives Launching Screen for Patrons to Search Database</A> >> >>I noticed that many of the "brick walls" listed in the meet and greets had >>ties to SC (which I find nearly impossible to research on the web). >> >>Thought you guys would find this link useful - just got it via another >>list I >>am on. >> >>MK Harrison >><A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> >><A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> >><A >>HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> >>I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, >>assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the >>fourth >>world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein >>Copyright © 2003 >> >> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write >>GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > >Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write >GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Thank you so much for sharing this with us. Please convey to her that my thoughts and prayers are with her. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 2:06 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Fw: Bettie Update > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Morgan, Kimberly > To: poohbos@poohbos.com > Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 5:22 PM > Subject: Bettie Update > > > > > Hello everyone, > > I just got off the phone with Bettie, she is doing OK but very emotional. Not sure when she will be back online. > > > > Her daughter was caught in the tornado <in the center> and it picked her up and threw her about 12 feet, but by the grace of god she only suffered bruising and is black & blue. What Bettie thought was a broken nose was only <bent out of shape - chuckle from Bettie>. Her daughter Vona is doing OK and is able to go back to school. Vona was on her way to see her boyfriend when the tornado hit and the house was beaten up pretty bad but the boyfriend is OK as well. > > > > The death in the family was someone close to Vona & her boyfriend Andy and is a family friend. Bettie said she would share more later. > > > > Now Bettie has just learned that her mother-in-law is in the hospital and not doing well (her mother-in-law is in Dallas). > > > > She said to please share this news with you and to let you all know that she misses everyone. > > > > If you would like to call her, please let me know. I have her number and she was very happy to hear from me. > > > > Kimberly > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm >

At 02:49 PM 4/10/2003, you wrote: >. We will only >be looking at the NAMES to ensure that everyone got a ballot. We will not be >looking at the content of the emails. Richard, you will not have access at all to how individuals voted, is that correct? The people who are involved with GA have been removed from the EC list during this voting process, and Larry Stephens is the only one who will see the actual individual votes, anyhow, is that correct? FWIW, IMHO Larry Stephens is entirely trustworthy and no one will find out anything from him re: how anyone voted. I have the utmost respect for Larry, and have had for 8 years. I also trust Ellen Pack, who is my SC in MS, and who is also chair of the EC - she will NOT let confidence of this voting process be breached. We can vote with all assurance that our vote will be secret, IMHO. Carol

This just in - the ballots have started to be distributed. If you got your ballot, then please remember to email ga- haveballot@maclyr.com. If you do NOT have your ballot by noon Eastern Time on Saturday, send an email to ga-needballot@maclyr.com. We do not want to know how you intend to vote or whether you intend to vote. We only wish to ensure that everyone has gotten their ballots. We will only be looking at the NAMES to ensure that everyone got a ballot. We will not be looking at the content of the emails. We do wish to remind you that you have the right to vote. You also have the right to not vote. However, if you choose to vote, I urge you to select either "yes" or "no", but not "present". Richard

I am passing this on to everyone so that you'll know Bettie is unavailable. I am sorry but I do not have anymore details other than this message. Debra Crosby >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:30:33 -0500 >From: Bosque Lover <nana321@txucom.net> >Reply-To: nana321@txucom.net >Organization: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/ >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) > >There has been a death this morning--don't know when I will back >Please pass on to everyone. >bett8e <

Thanks, MK - my lines also came through SC, and I know what you mean about it being hard to research on the web. One resource I have found helpful is the CD made by the Old Pennington group - I tried to find a link to it but the main state site for SCGenWeb seems to be down and I can not find anything about it now - will be happy to do a lookup (after I get past a current deadline) if you are not familiar with the CD or if it is no longer available. It used to be easy to find with a Google search - maybe I am not doing it right this morning - ?? Carol At 03:28 PM 4/8/2003, TooFem@aol.com wrote: > <A HREF="http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/default.asp">Click here: Main > Archives Launching Screen for Patrons to Search Database</A> > >I noticed that many of the "brick walls" listed in the meet and greets had >ties to SC (which I find nearly impossible to research on the web). > >Thought you guys would find this link useful - just got it via another list I >am on. > >MK Harrison ><A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> ><A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> ><A >HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> >I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, >assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth >world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein >Copyright © 2003 > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write >GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

_Please_ let us know as soon as you have more info, Debra - thoughts and prayers headed her way. Carol At 08:14 AM 4/10/2003, Debra Crosby wrote: >I am passing this on to everyone so that you'll know Bettie is unavailable. >I am sorry but I do not have anymore details other than this message. >Debra Crosby > > >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:30:33 -0500 > >From: Bosque Lover <nana321@txucom.net> > >Reply-To: nana321@txucom.net > >Organization: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/ > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) > > > > >There has been a death this morning--don't know when I will back > >Please pass on to everyone. > >bett8e < > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

On html pages we can add a script to redirect a linker to where we want them to come in. Text pages can't. BUT Why not add a text line in the top portion of an archive page to allow people to break out of annoying frames, whoever has them linked. For example: If you went to this page http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacrawfo/Census/censuslinkframe.htm and didn't like the frame, when you clicked on one of the links, you would see CRAWFORD COUNTY, GA - CENSUS 1880 This file was contributed for use in the USGenWeb Archives by: Kim Gordon kimeye1@hotmail.com and Patsy Adams PAdams1053@aol.com Home http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/ga/crawford/census.htm I know how to back up but some new users don't. Donna

Absolutely, Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 10:06 AM 4/10/2003 -0400, you wrote: >We will add her family to the prayer list. >Donna > >In a message dated 4/10/03 9:15:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >poohbos@poohbos.com writes: > > > I am passing this on to everyone so that you'll know Bettie is unavailable. > > I am sorry but I do not have anymore details other than this message. > > Debra Crosby > > > > >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:30:33 -0500 > > >From: Bosque Lover <nana321@txucom.net> > > >Reply-To: nana321@txucom.net > > >Organization: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/ > > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) > > > > > > > >There has been a death this morning--don't know when I will back > > >Please pass on to everyone. > > >bett8e < > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

We will add her family to the prayer list. Donna In a message dated 4/10/03 9:15:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, poohbos@poohbos.com writes: > I am passing this on to everyone so that you'll know Bettie is unavailable. > I am sorry but I do not have anymore details other than this message. > Debra Crosby > > >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 21:30:33 -0500 > >From: Bosque Lover <nana321@txucom.net> > >Reply-To: nana321@txucom.net > >Organization: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/ > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) > > > > >There has been a death this morning--don't know when I will back > >Please pass on to everyone. > >bett8e <

AMEN! Jan Cortez MI Archives File Manager ----- Original Message ----- From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > Kim, > > You present an interesting conundrum. Honestly, as an Archives person, if I > found that someone had donated something to the Archives and had requested > that a CC not link to it, I would be tempted to pull the plug. > > My view is that we should work in concert with the Archives, not in > competition. The Archives were originally established to be a repository of > materials in conjunction with the county pages. I treat the Archives as a > secondary repository or material - call it a second place to store data in > case one copy becomes corrupted or is lost in the shuffle between CC's or > whatever, not as a place to submit things instead of the county pages. > > If someone donates materials to the Archives, they are freely donating or > loaning that material to the Project as a whole. If they do not wish it to > be used by or linked to from the county sites, then perhaps they need to keep > the material and publish it or do whatever it is they wish to do with it. > However, if it is donated to the Project, then it should and must be donated > with no strings attached or not donated at all. > > I am sure that I have run afoul of the Archives people, and I do not mean > to. However, I will stand corrected wherever I need to be. > > Richard > > > > On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:23:28 -0400, kim gordon wrote > > Hi Richard, > > > > That sounds fine too but what if the submitter has requested to the > > CC that it not be linked? > > > > Kim > > > > >From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:53:58 -0500 > > > > > >Kim, > > > > > >With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this point. > > > > > >I think that all GeorgiaGenWeb Project pages should have a link to the > > >Archives page for their county. However, I do not have a problem with > > >linking directly to a file on the Archives so long as a notation is made > > >that > > >the link is a link to Archives and giving the name of the submitter. Let > > >it > > >open in a new page as opposed to opening on your page. > > > > > >Richard > > >RC - Coastal Region of Georgia > > >CC - Gilmer County > > > McIntosh County > > >Co-CC - Cobb County > > >Assistant CC - Evans County > > >Second ASC > > > > > > > > > > > >On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:18:21 -0400, kim gordon wrote > > > > Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it > > > > should me made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page > > > > or item in the archives, just the TOC. > > > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > > > >From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Kim and the List, > > > > > > > > > >I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With > > > > >that > > > > >CC's name and copyright on that page also.... > > > > >and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the > > >page > > > > >please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". > > > > > > > > > >This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious > > >intent of > > > > >is for it to appear that the CC did > > > > >the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties > > > > >GenWeb information at the top with the CC's > > > > >name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears > > >that > > > > >it is a part of the county pages...... > > > > >Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. > > > > > > > > > >Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the > > > > >work.....my > > > > >thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for > > >under > > > > >threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - > > > > >Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have > > > > >personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a > > > > >census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to > > >figure > > > > >out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do > > >some > > > > >actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! > > > > > > > > > >I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal > > >files > > > > >from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to > > >add > > > > >to > > > > >county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial > > >pursuits. > > > > >I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my > > > > >counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both > > > > >census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to > > >place > > > > >all > > > > >of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites > > >do > > > > >abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC > so > > >I > > > > >know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed > > > > >another census transcription and will do the same with it. > > > > > > > > > >I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs > > > > >county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize > > >both > > > > >projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers > > > > >Georgia would have! > > > > > > > > > >Linda Blum-Barton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the > > > > >archives and put on the CC's server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> > > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. > > > > > >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul > > > > > >Spalding County CC > > > > > >Cherokee County Co-CC > > > > > >Military Page CoCC > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing > > > > >against > > > > > > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information > > >and > > > > > >make > > > > > >it > > > > > > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, > > > > > >outright > > > > > > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our > > >materials > > > > > >removed > > > > > > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > > > > > > information available to researchers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year > > >and I > > > > > >for > > > > > > > one don't like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim Gordon > > > > > > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > > > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the > > > > >Archives > > > > > >has > > > > > > > >a > > > > > > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to > > >see > > > > > >more > > > > > > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for > that. > > >In > > > > > > > >addition to > > > > > > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to > > > > >maintain > > > > > > > >them if > > > > > > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > > > > > > >marriages- > > > > > > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to > > >those > > > > > >files > > > > > > > >from > > > > > > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing > > >the > > > > > >files, > > > > > > > >I can > > > > > > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > > > > > >contributed > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My > > >sole > > > > > >reason > > > > > > > >for > > > > > > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > > > > > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > > > > > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing > > >the > > > > > >1870 > > > > > > > >census > > > > > > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the > > >enumerator > > > > > >had > > > > > >no > > > > > > > >idea > > > > > > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be > > >trying > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today > > >will > > > > > >be > > > > > > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. > > > > >When > > > > > >I > > > > > > > >retire > > > > > > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the > > > > >pages > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of > > >these > > > > > >records > > > > > > > >to be > > > > > > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our > > >history > > > > >and > > > > > >I > > > > > > > >desire > > > > > > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > > > > > >enjoyable > > > > > > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our > > > > > >regional > > > > > > > >and > > > > > > > >state coordinator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the > > >links. > > > > > >Most > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >them > > > > > > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to > > > > > >provide > > > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home > > >pages" > > > > >and > > > > > > > >archived > > > > > > > >files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > > > > > > >Coordinator > > > > > > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > > > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > > > > > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about > county > > >web > > > > > >sites > > > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >are mostly links... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available > > >bit > > > > >of > > > > > > > >info > > > > > > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a > > >particular > > > > > >person > > > > > > > >and I > > > > > > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The > > >search > > > > > >feature > > > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff > on > > >the > > > > > > > >McDuffie > > > > > > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say > that > > >I > > > > >am > > > > > >not > > > > > > > >doing > > > > > > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 > > > > > >cemeteries > > > > > >in > > > > > > > >less > > > > > > > >than a month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > > > > > > >cemeteries I > > > > > > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to > > >it. > > > > >I > > > > > > > >could > > > > > > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > > > > > > >accessible to > > > > > > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been > > > > >using > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >info > > > > > > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always > wanted > > >to > > > > >be > > > > > >a > > > > > > > >part > > > > > > > >of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > > > > > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the > archives. > > >For > > > > > > > >example, > > > > > > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a > > >great > > > > > >map > > > > > >of > > > > > > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in > > >existence > > > > > > > >anymore > > > > > > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives > > > > > >because > > > > > >it > > > > > > > >is > > > > > > > >not searchable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup > > > > >people > > > > > > > >which I > > > > > > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > > > > > > >important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are > > > > >being > > > > > > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > > > > > >researchers > > > > > > > >so > > > > > > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page > > >AND > > > > > >the > > > > > > > >web > > > > > > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are > > > > >supposed > > > > > >to > > > > > > > >be one > > > > > > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial > > >issue. > > > > >The > > > > > > > >info on > > > > > > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to > > >it so > > > > > >that > > > > > > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise > > >it > > > > >on > > > > > >this > > > > > > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. 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Please refer them to: > > >http://www.adoption.org > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching > > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > > with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > > http://www.adoption.org > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > >

It is excellent, thanks for the lead! Gaila

Kim, You present an interesting conundrum. Honestly, as an Archives person, if I found that someone had donated something to the Archives and had requested that a CC not link to it, I would be tempted to pull the plug. My view is that we should work in concert with the Archives, not in competition. The Archives were originally established to be a repository of materials in conjunction with the county pages. I treat the Archives as a secondary repository or material - call it a second place to store data in case one copy becomes corrupted or is lost in the shuffle between CC's or whatever, not as a place to submit things instead of the county pages. If someone donates materials to the Archives, they are freely donating or loaning that material to the Project as a whole. If they do not wish it to be used by or linked to from the county sites, then perhaps they need to keep the material and publish it or do whatever it is they wish to do with it. However, if it is donated to the Project, then it should and must be donated with no strings attached or not donated at all. I am sure that I have run afoul of the Archives people, and I do not mean to. However, I will stand corrected wherever I need to be. Richard On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 18:23:28 -0400, kim gordon wrote > Hi Richard, > > That sounds fine too but what if the submitter has requested to the > CC that it not be linked? > > Kim > > >From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:53:58 -0500 > > > >Kim, > > > >With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this point. > > > >I think that all GeorgiaGenWeb Project pages should have a link to the > >Archives page for their county. However, I do not have a problem with > >linking directly to a file on the Archives so long as a notation is made > >that > >the link is a link to Archives and giving the name of the submitter. Let > >it > >open in a new page as opposed to opening on your page. > > > >Richard > >RC - Coastal Region of Georgia > >CC - Gilmer County > > McIntosh County > >Co-CC - Cobb County > >Assistant CC - Evans County > >Second ASC > > > > > > > >On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:18:21 -0400, kim gordon wrote > > > Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it > > > should me made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page > > > or item in the archives, just the TOC. > > > > > > Kim > > > > > > >From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > > > > > > > >Kim and the List, > > > > > > > >I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With > > > >that > > > >CC's name and copyright on that page also.... > > > >and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the > >page > > > >please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". > > > > > > > >This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious > >intent of > > > >is for it to appear that the CC did > > > >the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties > > > >GenWeb information at the top with the CC's > > > >name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears > >that > > > >it is a part of the county pages...... > > > >Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. > > > > > > > >Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the > > > >work.....my > > > >thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for > >under > > > >threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - > > > >Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have > > > >personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a > > > >census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to > >figure > > > >out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do > >some > > > >actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! > > > > > > > >I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal > >files > > > >from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to > >add > > > >to > > > >county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial > >pursuits. > > > >I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my > > > >counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both > > > >census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to > >place > > > >all > > > >of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites > >do > > > >abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC so > >I > > > >know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed > > > >another census transcription and will do the same with it. > > > > > > > >I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs > > > >county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize > >both > > > >projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers > > > >Georgia would have! > > > > > > > >Linda Blum-Barton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > >No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the > > > >archives and put on the CC's server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. > > > > >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul > > > > >Spalding County CC > > > > >Cherokee County Co-CC > > > > >Military Page CoCC > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing > > > >against > > > > > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information > >and > > > > >make > > > > >it > > > > > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, > > > > >outright > > > > > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our > >materials > > > > >removed > > > > > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > > > > > information available to researchers. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year > >and I > > > > >for > > > > > > one don't like it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kim Gordon > > > > > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the > > > >Archives > > > > >has > > > > > > >a > > > > > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to > >see > > > > >more > > > > > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. > >In > > > > > > >addition to > > > > > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to > > > >maintain > > > > > > >them if > > > > > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > > > > > >marriages- > > > > > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to > >those > > > > >files > > > > > > >from > > > > > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing > >the > > > > >files, > > > > > > >I can > > > > > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > > > > >contributed > > > > > > >the > > > > > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My > >sole > > > > >reason > > > > > > >for > > > > > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > > > > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > > > > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing > >the > > > > >1870 > > > > > > >census > > > > > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the > >enumerator > > > > >had > > > > >no > > > > > > >idea > > > > > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be > >trying > > > > >to > > > > > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today > >will > > > > >be > > > > > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. > > > >When > > > > >I > > > > > > >retire > > > > > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the > > > >pages > > > > >to > > > > > > >the > > > > > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of > >these > > > > >records > > > > > > >to be > > > > > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our > >history > > > >and > > > > >I > > > > > > >desire > > > > > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > > > > >enjoyable > > > > > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our > > > > >regional > > > > > > >and > > > > > > >state coordinator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the > >links. > > > > >Most > > > > >of > > > > > > >them > > > > > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to > > > > >provide > > > > > > >the > > > > > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home > >pages" > > > >and > > > > > > >archived > > > > > > >files. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > > > > > >Coordinator > > > > > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > > > > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county > >web > > > > >sites > > > > > > >that > > > > > > >are mostly links... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available > >bit > > > >of > > > > > > >info > > > > > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a > >particular > > > > >person > > > > > > >and I > > > > > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The > >search > > > > >feature > > > > > > >of > > > > > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on > >the > > > > > > >McDuffie > > > > > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that > >I > > > >am > > > > >not > > > > > > >doing > > > > > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 > > > > >cemeteries > > > > >in > > > > > > >less > > > > > > >than a month. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > > > > > >cemeteries I > > > > > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to > >it. > > > >I > > > > > > >could > > > > > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > > > > > >accessible to > > > > > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been > > > >using > > > > >the > > > > > > >info > > > > > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted > >to > > > >be > > > > >a > > > > > > >part > > > > > > >of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > > > > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > > > > > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. > >For > > > > > > >example, > > > > > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a > >great > > > > >map > > > > >of > > > > > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in > >existence > > > > > > >anymore > > > > > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives > > > > >because > > > > >it > > > > > > >is > > > > > > >not searchable. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup > > > >people > > > > > > >which I > > > > > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > > > > > >important. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are > > > >being > > > > > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > > > > >researchers > > > > > > >so > > > > > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page > >AND > > > > >the > > > > > > >web > > > > > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are > > > >supposed > > > > >to > > > > > > >be one > > > > > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial > >issue. > > > >The > > > > > > >info on > > > > > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to > >it so > > > > >that > > > > > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise > >it > > > >on > > > > >this > > > > > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish > >to > > > > > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > > > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > > > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > >Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights > >at: > > > > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > > > >The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* > > > >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on > >this > > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > >Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to > >preserve > > > > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person > >searching > > > >their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > > > >with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > > > >http://www.adoption.org > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching > >their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > >with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > >http://www.adoption.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > http://www.adoption.org

Many of the recent advances in HTML is about one form or another of handicaps. For instance the alt tag with images is specifically there so that browsers that are so equipped can generate a verbal message for the visually impaired. That message can be descriptive of the image or just a label. It is really what the individual puts there. How for instance would simply placing photos in the archive help anyone who had a visual impairment. But a well designed html page could have a very descriptive Alt tag that would give a visually impaired individual a very rich description of the scene or individual. So archiving is not a simple answer to all things. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dawn Watson" <booleygirl@hotmail.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 12:27 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Plain text vs. HTML > There is one argument that I've never heard anyone mention when debating the > place of the Archives within the GAGenWeb Project as a whole, and that is > the advantages of having material presented in plain text, as opposed to > material presented in HTML (particularly if using tables and frames). There > are certain browsers that still cannot read tables and frames correctly. > Most county sites use both to format almost every record (I am just as > guilty as anyone else). > > We tend to forget that there are certain segments of the population who > cannot access our sites because of these problems. I'm not just talking > about people with slow or outdated browsers. From what I can tell, the > computer programs used by the blind to read web sites have a hard time > reading tables. Of course, this may have changed in the past few years as > technology evolves to meet the need. Still, this is a valid point...county > web sites are often complicated and graphically challenging, making them > hard for some people to navigate through. > > My solution to these problems was to streamline my pages, making them as > simple as possible, AND to place text versions of HTML documents in the > Archives. I don't feel like it's a waste of space. Rather, it provides an > alternate method of viewing the material for those who cannot (or prefer not > to) read material in table-and-frame form. > > Sincerely, > Dawn Watson > CC/Rabun Co., GAGenWeb > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html >

Hi Wyndell, I think it should be within the GaGenWeb. And of course it's just my opinion. Kim >From: Wyndell Taylor <gagenie@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:49:37 -0400 > >At 04:18 PM 4/9/03 -0400, you wrote: > >Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it should me > >made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page or item in the > >archives, just the TOC. > >Kim, who would enforce this law? <g> As most of us know there are some >folks out there who link to our pages and show them as their work. Some >even try to charge money for it. Most of us scream and fight, and may get >an ISP to do something when this type of activity goes one, however, a lot >of people turn blind eyes. Linking is ok with some. > >I know how mad it makes some of us, but we are limited in what we can do. > >Wyndell Taylor > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hi Richard, That sounds fine too but what if the submitter has requested to the CC that it not be linked? Kim >From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 15:53:58 -0500 > >Kim, > >With all due respect, I must disagree with you on this point. > >I think that all GeorgiaGenWeb Project pages should have a link to the >Archives page for their county. However, I do not have a problem with >linking directly to a file on the Archives so long as a notation is made >that >the link is a link to Archives and giving the name of the submitter. Let >it >open in a new page as opposed to opening on your page. > >Richard >RC - Coastal Region of Georgia >CC - Gilmer County > McIntosh County >Co-CC - Cobb County >Assistant CC - Evans County >Second ASC > > > >On Wed, 09 Apr 2003 16:18:21 -0400, kim gordon wrote > > Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it > > should me made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page > > or item in the archives, just the TOC. > > > > Kim > > > > >From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 16:07:29 -0400 > > > > > >Kim and the List, > > > > > >I hope you don't mind that I add here in reference to your files "With > > >that > > >CC's name and copyright on that page also.... > > >and "If you have information that you would like to have added to the >page > > >please submit to me at <<<<<<<CC>>>>>>". > > > > > >This has since been changed to a link frame page that the obvious >intent of > > >is for it to appear that the CC did > > >the work and is taking credit for it. The link frame has that Counties > > >GenWeb information at the top with the CC's > > >name above the links to these files and the bottom of the page appears >that > > >it is a part of the county pages...... > > >Again, I stress what the "intent" of acting in this manner is. > > > > > >Most researchers would go to this page and assume the CC did the > > >work.....my > > >thoughts on this are, as I stated here before and was admonished for >under > > >threat of being unsubbed from this mail list - > > >Why waste time going to great lengths to make it "appear" you have > > >personally done all of this hard work(and anyone who has transcribed a > > >census knows...it IS hard work).....and spend the time it takes to >figure > > >out how to "get around" the rules/ethics/guidelines....whatever and do >some > > >actual transcribing and place it wherever you would like! > > > > > >I work with both projects and will continue to do so. I don't steal >files > > >from county sites to add to archives nor do I steal archives files to >add > > >to > > >county sites...I really don't have time to waste on such trivial >pursuits. > > >I have completed a transcription of the 1830 census for one of my > > >counties.....it is in my county archive files and was shared with both > > >census projects. I do not see any reason to create .html pages to >place > > >all > > >of this information on when it is readily accessible. My county sites >do > > >abide by the GAGenWeb guidelines and LINK to the County Archives TOC so >I > > >know that my researchers will find the CENSUS. I have almost completed > > >another census transcription and will do the same with it. > > > > > >I have not seen ANY good reason for the arguments over the archives vs > > >county sites. They both have a place and if we could all just utilize >both > > >projects to their fullest potential..........Oh, what happy researchers > > >Georgia would have! > > > > > >Linda Blum-Barton > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: kim gordon [mailto:kimeye1@hotmail.com] > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 3:41 PM > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > >No, my name was still there. It was, however, actually copied from the > > >archives and put on the CC's server. > > > > > > > > > > > >Kim > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Charles Pierce" <ltlbro@bellsouth.net> > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 13:44:28 -0400 > > > > > > > >Did someone remove your name from the document? > > > > > > > > > > > >Your right to free speech ends at MY right not to listen. > > > >Chuck Pierce -- the old soul > > > >Spalding County CC > > > >Cherokee County Co-CC > > > >Military Page CoCC > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: "kim gordon" <kimeye1@hotmail.com> > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:56 AM > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Liz, > > > > > > > > > > I have placed many files in the Archives myself and have nothing > > >against > > > > > them, but what do you think about CC's who steal the information >and > > > >make > > > >it > > > > > look like their own? I'm not talking about just linking to them, > > > >outright > > > > > stealing and thinking it's ok to do so. We can't have our >materials > > > >removed > > > > > from the Archives to protect against this and we want to have the > > > > > information available to researchers. > > > > > > > > > > This is the kind of thing GaGenWeb has come to in the last year >and I > > > >for > > > > > one don't like it. > > > > > > > > > > Kim Gordon > > > > > Clayton & Habersham CC > > > > > > > > > > >From: "Robertson" <lrober@plantationcable.net> > > > > > >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 09:28:54 -0400 > > > > > > > > > > > >Although I am not mad about it, I agree with Michele that the > > >Archives > > > >has > > > > > >a > > > > > >very important part in our project. I personally would like to >see > > > >more > > > > > >state-wide files and the Archives is a good substitute for that. >In > > > > > >addition to > > > > > >being searchable, we as developers of the files do not have to > > >maintain > > > > > >them if > > > > > >they are in Archives. I have most all the large files - census - > > > > > >marriages- > > > > > >cemeteries- tax digest - etc in Archives and provide links to >those > > > >files > > > > > >from > > > > > >the Haralson County and Monroe County pages. With them managing >the > > > >files, > > > > > >I can > > > > > >proceed to develop others. > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never understood the animosity toward Archives. I have > > > >contributed > > > > > >the > > > > > >files for PERMANENT records for the counties I work with. My >sole > > > >reason > > > > > >for > > > > > >participating in this project is to get records on line for ALL > > > > > >RESEARCHERS, not > > > > > >to build a personal cache. I am in the process of transcribing >the > > > >1870 > > > > > >census > > > > > >for Monroe County and the thought occurred to me that the >enumerator > > > >had > > > >no > > > > > >idea > > > > > >that 133 years after he took this census that someone would be >trying > > > >to > > > > > >decipher his handwriting. I hope that the work I am doing today >will > > > >be > > > > > >available 133 years in the future and I want that work preserved. > > >When > > > >I > > > > > >retire > > > > > >from the coordinator position, I will pass on what I have on the > > >pages > > > >to > > > > > >the > > > > > >next coordinator, however, I do not want the preservation of >these > > > >records > > > > > >to be > > > > > >at the whelm of that coordinator. I want them there to stay. > > > > > > > > > > > >The GaGenWeb project is so important to preservation of our >history > > >and > > > >I > > > > > >desire > > > > > >nothing more than to be able to participate in the project in an > > > >enjoyable > > > > > >environment with support from other coordinators as well as our > > > >regional > > > > > >and > > > > > >state coordinator. > > > > > > > > > > > >I have never had a complaint from a RESEARCHER regarding the >links. > > > >Most > > > >of > > > > > >them > > > > > >are very appreciative of the fact that we have worked so hard to > > > >provide > > > > > >the > > > > > >information for them. There is a place here for both "home >pages" > > >and > > > > > >archived > > > > > >files. > > > > > > > > > > > >Liz Robertson > > > > > >Coordinator > > > > > >HARALSON AND MONROE COUNTIES, GA > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> > > > > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 8:06 AM > > > > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Ok, now I am mad > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >This is for you folks out there that are complaining about county >web > > > >sites > > > > > >that > > > > > >are mostly links... > > > > > > > > > > > >The archives are searchable. Therefore, I think every available >bit > > >of > > > > > >info > > > > > >should be there. I might be looking for some info on a >particular > > > >person > > > > > >and I > > > > > >think he is in one county when really he is in another. The >search > > > >feature > > > > > >of > > > > > >the archives handles that. > > > > > > > > > > > >If anyone were to take a look at the contributors of the stuff on >the > > > > > >McDuffie > > > > > >archives page they would see my name a lot. They can not say that >I > > >am > > > >not > > > > > >doing > > > > > >anything buy providing links! I have persoanally surveyed 27 > > > >cemeteries > > > >in > > > > > >less > > > > > >than a month. > > > > > > > > > > > >If they want to be so petty about it, I could always pull all the > > > > > >cemeteries I > > > > > >have surveyed off Rootsweb completely and give no one access to >it. > > >I > > > > > >could > > > > > >write a cemetery book and get paid for it. > > > > > > > > > > > >The whole purpose of GenWeb is to make genealogical info free and > > > > > >accessible to > > > > > >genealogists worldwide. Have they forgotten this? > > > > > > > > > > > >I had no idea at all that GenWeb was so political!!! I have been > > >using > > > >the > > > > > >info > > > > > >on the pages for several years, at least 6. I have always wanted >to > > >be > > > >a > > > > > >part > > > > > >of it. > > > > > > > > > > > >This is really starting to get ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > >Michele Lewis > > > > > >McDuffie Co, GA > > > > > > > > > > > >P.S. But just to satisfy you people that oppose the links... > > > > > > > > > > > >I do have some stuff on my web site that is not on the archives. >For > > > > > >example, > > > > > >James Malone, who can do great custom graphics, has drawn me a >great > > > >map > > > >of > > > > > >McDuffie which shows all the old place names that aren't in >existence > > > > > >anymore > > > > > >but you will find in old records. That won't go to the archives > > > >because > > > >it > > > > > >is > > > > > >not searchable. > > > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that is not on the archives is the list of lookup > > >people > > > > > >which I > > > > > >hope to increase. I think doing lookups for other people is very > > > > > >important. > > > > > > > > > > > >Another thing that I am working on is a list of surnames that are > > >being > > > > > >researched in McDuffie Co with names and email addresses of the > > > >researchers > > > > > >so > > > > > >that you can hook up with other people working on your lines. > > > > > > > > > > > >It is STUPID to have a copy of the material on the archives page >AND > > > >the > > > > > >web > > > > > >site. It just takes up valuable space on the server. We are > > >supposed > > > >to > > > > > >be one > > > > > >big happy family. This is not supposed to be a territorial >issue. > > >The > > > > > >info on > > > > > >the archives is for everyone and I am happy to provide links to >it so > > > >that > > > > > >people can find the info they need. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise >it > > >on > > > >this > > > > > >list! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > >This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish >to > > > > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > > > > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > > > > > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > >Confused about Copyrights??? 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I have found that everytime you can give credit to the person that did the work the better it is. There is no harm in identifying the source. I invite you to take a look at my census links. Remember this is not a genweb page. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/census.htm I always get positive response from this page. Donna

At 04:18 PM 4/9/03 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for your input Linda, I appreciate it. I also think it should me >made a "law" that CC's cannot link to each individual page or item in the >archives, just the TOC. Kim, who would enforce this law? <g> As most of us know there are some folks out there who link to our pages and show them as their work. Some even try to charge money for it. Most of us scream and fight, and may get an ISP to do something when this type of activity goes one, however, a lot of people turn blind eyes. Linking is ok with some. I know how mad it makes some of us, but we are limited in what we can do. Wyndell Taylor

The Archives and the CC pages are both part of the USGenWeb (GAGenWeb) project. It is not a competition nor a race to see who can get the best or the most info. We are supposed to be working together to make genealogical information easily accessible to researchers. The topic of stealing information is a totally separate thing! If I submit a file to either the Archives or to a CC page with my name on it, I would be highly upset if someone took that information, took my name off of it and inserted their name. I am very disturbed that some of y'all are saying this is not that uncommon of an occurance. However, if I submitted a file to the archives and that particular CC wanted to link to my page in the archives, or even copy the info right onto their web page (as long as my file was in it's original form with my name still on it) I wouldn't mind at all. Hugs to all Michele McDuffie Co Michele <----------- *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***