I have just returned home this weekend from having surgery last Tuesday and have been really trying to wade through all the emails on this list off and on today. Can only sit here a few minutes at a time. As both an RC and a CC, I hope to be able to respond back to you all sometime later this week. Take care, Melody Moore McCook Coffee County, GA CC Atkinson County, GA CC GAGenWeb South Central RC

If you have no place to express yourself, you are welcome to use: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GenNGa/ To subscribe GenNGa-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Donna ---------------------------------- "In times of war, the most effective ploy is to cut the lines of communication."

In a message dated 4/29/03 1:02:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > Mr. Epperson apparently doesn't believe in the use of a vote to solve issues > -This is comical coming from someone who encouraged us not to vote. In a message dated 4/29/03 1:02:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > Mr. Epperson is hereby relieved of his position of RC in the Southwest > Region > and will subsequently be unsubbed from the RC list. -So much for freedom of speech. This is further proof of abuse of power. In a message dated 4/29/03 1:02:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > but offering no proof of such. -Jimmy not only offered proof - he did so convincingly MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein Copyright © 2003

In a message dated 4/29/03 12:49:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bclody@charter.net writes: > but rather a statement of what is happening with voting in this country > today and that is basically the masses won't take the time to understand > the issues well enough to have an opinion. It is especially bad in > something as divisive as this has been since the general reaction to all > the sound and fury is almost naturally going to be "I don't even want to > know" And look what happens - and I don't mean in just this instance. Like I said before - and will say again - if you don't vote - you don't have a voice. Not only for the outcome of the vote - but also to speak up to complain or give a pat on the back. The ones "in charge" made it clear they wouldn't vote in protest and to send a message to the national level. From where I sit, their not voting shows further evidence that they do not have GaGenWeb's best interest in mind. If they felt strongly about it - why didn't they vote against the motion? Because they are too busy being petty. The message is loud and clear at this point. Egomaniacal behavior is appropriate and encouraged in the GaGenWeb. But only if you belong to the rat pack. This whole issue is so high school it borderlines funny. I suggest we all meet on the playground at lunch and go at it. This is bully behavior. And it truly makes me ponder what the rat pack went through in their lives that has left them with this unnatural need of so-non-important-in-the-realm-of-things power. MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein Copyright © 2003

Last night Mr. Epperson sent a letter to Brenda, Margie and myself - alledging certain things - but offering no proof of such. Since it is rather hard to respond to something one does not know about, I responded to his blackmail letter asking for details. Since Mr. Epperson has instead gone ahead and published his claims far and wide - rather than the resignation of myself or Brenda or Margie - Mr. Epperson is hereby relieved of his position of RC in the Southwest Region and will subsequently be unsubbed from the RC list. Mr. Epperson's claims of malfeasance on my part and of Brenda's and Margie's are so much political posturing and pure hogwash. Mr. Epperson apparently doesn't believe in the use of a vote to solve issues - and thus he and his companions continue to try all sorts of ineundo to remove me not only from GAGenWeb but from the Project as well. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

Well I guess since I am going to throw my two cents worth in I will now be attacked. However, I am going to unequivocally state that I am and have been the real CC for Walker County Georgia. I did not seek the RC job and somewhat reluctantly took the position after Carla resigned. I did both care and take the time to seek Carla's reasons for resigning prior to being offered the position. She chose not to respond which is both her right and privilege. She and I had an excellent working relation while she was the NW RC. Being attacked seems to be the current way of life on this list. The vote basically failed due to a lack of interest not because there wasn't enough votes to either remove Tim or conversely issue a massive vote of confidence on his behalf. I do not believe that continuing to rip your garments and beat your breast over alleged wrong doing is going to be anything but counter productive for the project. There was a period shortly after the election that the list sort of quieted back down. Apparently that has passed. What is the point of having a non productive - non decisive election results thrown out. It was neither a mandate for or against Tim but rather a statement of what is happening with voting in this country today and that is basically the masses won't take the time to understand the issues well enough to have an opinion. It is especially bad in something as divisive as this has been since the general reaction to all the sound and fury is almost naturally going to be "I don't even want to know" Bill Clody CC Walker County RC Northwest Georgia Region ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol C-H" <cch@netdoor.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: [GAGEN] Fwd: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 > >X-Authentication-Warning: ocelot.noc.ucla.edu: jfisher owned process doing -bs > >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:49:28 -0700 (PDT) > >From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> > >To: cch@netdoor.com > >Subject: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > >X-Spam-Score: 0 > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > > > >As a result of this development I am recommending to the EC that the > >results of the GA Recall be invalidated. > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >

List protocol is covered in Guideline #19. Standard procedures on most lists are that when a person is on moderation - another member may not forward notes to the list from the person on moderation thus circumventing the first person's moderation. Anyone who has done so has also been placed on moderation as well. The moderation for a first offense is one week. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

<snipped> >It is with sadness that I announce Thanks, Richard< Sadness indeed Richard. Always sadness at the loss of good folks. Sadness at all the new developments. Thank YOU for keeping us informed. You are the 'bestest' RC, I mean to send your CCs your cellphone number and tell us we can call you any time we need help...aren't many who are as dedicated as you. Sharon

You're right Donna, both Kim and Derek will be missed. It's very sad that we are losing so many of our CC's. Debra ----- Original Message ----- From: MFLP@aol.com To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 6:16 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Clayton & Habersham Counties Kim Gordon will be missed from GaGenWeb also. Donna ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html

>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >X-Authentication-Warning: ocelot.noc.ucla.edu: jfisher owned process doing -bs >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:49:28 -0700 (PDT) >From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> >To: cch@netdoor.com >Subject: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb >X-Spam-Score: 0 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > >As a result of this development I am recommending to the EC that the >results of the GA Recall be invalidated. Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:44:07 -0500 >From: jimmy <eppy@ticnet.com> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: GAGen <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, GAGenWeb <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>, > Crilley <varcsix@hot.rr.com>, Richard Pettys <mannannan@maclyr.com>, > Melody <mmccook@bellsouth.net>, bclody@charter.net >Subject: Deceit - Formal Grievance >X-Spam-Score: 0 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > >I move that the GAGenWeb declare Tim Stowell, Margie Daniels, Brenda >Pierce, and Chuck Pierce be found members not in good standing within >the GAGenWeb Project for willfully and deliberately deceiving and >knowingly participating in this deception of the members of the GAGenWeb >and USGenWeb Projects by assuming the roles of "Phantom" County >coordinators with the express intention of affecting the vote concerning >the recall of Tim Stowell as State Coordinator of the GAGenWeb Project. > > >Supporting documentation has previously been forwarded to the Council. > > >As I am on moderated status on gagen-l would someone please forward this >to gagen-l and gagenweb-l. > >Thanks >Jimmy Epperson Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

>From: jimmy <eppy@ticnet.com> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >To: GAGen <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, GAGenWeb <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>, > Crilley <varcsix@hot.rr.com>, Richard Pettys <mannannan@maclyr.com>, > Melody <mmccook@bellsouth.net>, bclody@charter.net >Subject: Deceit - Formal Grievance >X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine > >I move that the GAGenWeb declare Tim Stowell, Margie Daniels, Brenda >Pierce, and Chuck Pierce be found members not in good standing within >the GAGenWeb Project for willfully and deliberately deceiving and >knowingly participating in this deception of the members of the GAGenWeb >and USGenWeb Projects by assuming the roles of "Phantom" County >coordinators with the express intention of affecting the vote concerning >the recall of Tim Stowell as State Coordinator of the GAGenWeb Project. > > >Supporting documentation has previously been forwarded to the Council. > > >As I am on moderated status on gagen-l would someone please forward this >to gagen-l and gagenweb-l. > >Thanks >Jimmy Epperson Virginia Crilley

In answer to your question. Rootsweb webspace does not belong to GenWeb. It belongs to the person it is issued to. See: http://accounts.rootsweb.com/index.cgi?op=show&page=geoagree.htm No. 7 and no 10.

>X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 >Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:05:36 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: eppy@ticnet.com Tue Apr 29 09:05:35 2003 >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:04:55 -0500 >From: jimmy <eppy@ticnet.com> >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) >X-Accept-Language: en >Old-To: Board-L <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com>, GAGen <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, > GAGenWeb <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>, > "SC - ALGenWeb R.White" <al@usgenweb.org>, > "ASC - ALGenWeb L.Compton" <elsi@mail.augustmail.com>, > "SC - NYGenWeb L.Newsome" <nyasc@earthlink.net>, > "ASC - NYGenWeb M.Magill" <hmwgenealogy@yahoo.com>, > "ASC - NDGenWeb J.Zsedeny" <jzsed@starband.net>, > "EC Chair - E.Pack" <e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org>, > "EC Member - M.Graham" <sppirc@yahoo.com> >Subject: [BOARD-L] Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb >To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-From: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Reply-To: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >X-Mailing-List: <BOARD-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/11797 >X-Loop: BOARD-L@rootsweb.com >Resent-Sender: BOARD-L-request@rootsweb.com >X-Spam-Score: 22 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > > >Tim Stowell, in his capacity as State Coordinator of the GAGenWeb >Project, and Brenda Pierce, in her capacity as Assistant State >Coordinator and Regional Coordinator, and Margie Daniels, in her >capacity as Regional Coordinator of the GAGenWeb Project, willfully and >deliberately deceived and knowingly participated in this deception of >the members of the GAGenWeb and USGenWeb Projects by assuming the roles >of "Phantom" County coordinators with the express intention of >affecting the vote concerning the recall of Tim Stowell as State >Coordinator of the GAGenWeb Project. We know these identities they >assumed are real, live people. But as far as the GAGenWeb project is >concerned, the real, live people they portrayed here were not active in >the maintenance their adopted counties. > >Tim, Brenda, and Margie were not alone in this act of voter fraud as >there are other "unindicted" co-conspirators. When information >concerning the involvement others is uncovered, it will also be >presented to you. > >Besides the "circumstantial" evidence that make the fraud clear when you >look at all the parts and actions, there is also the factual evidence of >IP addresses. Terri Hopper, a true live person never actually maintained >the counties which she adopted. Margie was the "ghost writer" for Terri, >and assumed her identity when sending emails to the gagen-l. Little did >Margie know that the free email service she was using includes the >originating IP address, which is Margie's ISP, RoadRunner, and which is >not available in the city that Terri actually lives. > >In addition, the IP addresses of the Tim, Margie, and Brenda (and her >husband Chuck's account) were used to update the counties of these >"phantom" CC's. > >I privately wrote Tim, Brenda, and Margie requesting they not cause >further harm and damage to the GAGenWeb Project by quietly submitting >their resignations from the GAGenWeb project. While Tim did respond on >their behalf, they have refused to tender their resignations, therefore >I submit to the USGenWeb members this information in order that you will >know and take action that you see fit. > >You may see all the detailed information to support these allegations of >voter fraud and deceit at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaclarke/GA/index.htm > > > >Jimmy Epperson >Clarke & Oconee Co. GA CC >GAGenWeb SW RC >USGenWeb SE/MA Rep. > > > > >==== BOARD Mailing List ==== >Want to know Who's Who in USGenWeb? Visit: >http://www.usgenweb.com/about/whoswho-index.html >To update your information, contact webmaster@usgenweb.org Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

Derek will be greatly missed, especially on the revision committee. Why was he on moderated status? Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 01:08 AM 4/29/03 -0500, you wrote: >Carol, > >I am not at liberty to discuss that information. However, I will state that >he was unhappy with the goings-on in GaGenWeb over the course of the past few >months. He feels that there is a great deal of hypocracy and he feels that >it has been a bad experience. He is upset at having been placed on a >moderated status. I can understand his position on that. > >It is my hope that we can make changes to those issues that upset him. > >Richard > > > >---------- Original Message ----------- >From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:19:01 -0500 >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Echols County and Guidelines > > > Richard, would you care to share with us why he chose to leave at > > this time? > > > > Carol > > > > At 11:56 PM 4/28/2003, mannannan wrote: > > >Good Evening. > > > > > >It is with sadness that I announce that our Echols County, Georgia CC, >Derek > > >Nichols, has resigned from the Project. > > > > > >Derek has only been with us a short time and I, for one, will miss him. I > > >wish him the best of luck in all he chooses to do. > > > > > >Because he is no longer a CC in Georgia, he is no longer eligible to > serve >on > > >the Guidelines Revision Committee. > > > > > >Therefore, Jacki Jonas, the secretary, will be serving as a full member of > > >the Committee. For the time being, she will also serve as the > secretary. >If > > >anyone is interested in the post, please email me privately, off-list. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Richard > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > > > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching > > >their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > > >with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > > >http://www.adoption.org > > > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > > to the most popular Surname sites: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ >------- End of Original Message ------- > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? >Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

Hello All, If you live in the Atlanta area, or even if you do not, you probably have heard of, and benefitted from, Ken Thomas' genealogy column in the Atlanta Journal & Constitution. It has run for 26 years, and has been *the* means by which genealogists in the Atlanta area get their genealogy news. At events where participants are asked where they heard about the event, 90 percent consistently cite Ken Thomas' column. The AJC is threatening to cancel the column, citing budget cuts, although the stipend is quite small. The AJC editor has said that, if response is great enough, they will not cut the column. This column is very important to genealogists. *Please* write or call editor Mike Lupo. Mike Lupo at 404-526-5487 mlupo@ajc.com Thanks, Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

Kim Gordon will be missed from GaGenWeb also. Donna

In a message dated 4/29/03 12:56:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mannannan@maclyr.com writes: > It is with sadness that I announce that our Echols County, Georgia CC, Derek > Nichols, has resigned from the Project. There are many of us sad and I want to thank you Richard as a new Assistant State Coordinator for having the right attitude. Donna

Carol, I am not at liberty to discuss that information. However, I will state that he was unhappy with the goings-on in GaGenWeb over the course of the past few months. He feels that there is a great deal of hypocracy and he feels that it has been a bad experience. He is upset at having been placed on a moderated status. I can understand his position on that. It is my hope that we can make changes to those issues that upset him. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 00:19:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Echols County and Guidelines > Richard, would you care to share with us why he chose to leave at > this time? > > Carol > > At 11:56 PM 4/28/2003, mannannan wrote: > >Good Evening. > > > >It is with sadness that I announce that our Echols County, Georgia CC, Derek > >Nichols, has resigned from the Project. > > > >Derek has only been with us a short time and I, for one, will miss him. I > >wish him the best of luck in all he chooses to do. > > > >Because he is no longer a CC in Georgia, he is no longer eligible to serve on > >the Guidelines Revision Committee. > > > >Therefore, Jacki Jonas, the secretary, will be serving as a full member of > >the Committee. For the time being, she will also serve as the secretary. If > >anyone is interested in the post, please email me privately, off-list. > > > >Thanks, > >Richard > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching > >their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > >with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > >http://www.adoption.org > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ ------- End of Original Message -------

Richard, would you care to share with us why he chose to leave at this time? Carol At 11:56 PM 4/28/2003, mannannan wrote: >Good Evening. > >It is with sadness that I announce that our Echols County, Georgia CC, Derek >Nichols, has resigned from the Project. > >Derek has only been with us a short time and I, for one, will miss him. I >wish him the best of luck in all he chooses to do. > >Because he is no longer a CC in Georgia, he is no longer eligible to serve on >the Guidelines Revision Committee. > >Therefore, Jacki Jonas, the secretary, will be serving as a full member of >the Committee. For the time being, she will also serve as the secretary. If >anyone is interested in the post, please email me privately, off-list. > >Thanks, >Richard > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching >their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals >with just this type of research. Please refer them to: >http://www.adoption.org Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/