Ron, What you say is *so* true. *No one* should have so much power within an organization that they cannot be held accountable. You cannot just hope that leaders will be honest and honorable. We need guidelines that require elections, terms of office and term limits, with no one "grandfathered" into a lifetime job. As members, we all must take a share of the blame for failing to hold our leaders accountable and for failing to apply to this project rules that we know from experience work. Thanks for your wise words. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 10:29 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: >I have read quietly and only decided to speak up because of the >election that is slated for the SE/MA Rep. > >Someone said that those that don't vote have no right to complain >and that is a very true statement. Voting is a very important part of >our freedom. Not just in our home life, but in the life of this Project. > >I may as well tell you all now, the underlying problem and one of >the reasons that led me to throw in the towel on the Advisory Board >is the majority members interpretations of their roles and their complete >resignation to having any power to acomplish anything for the good of >the Project. Except in the few cases where it is beneficial for the NC >and his/her political posutring, then there seems to be no holds barred. > >NOTHING is done for the rights of the CC's, when there is an SC >in the picture. The vote will always be on the side of the SC, regardless >of right and wrong and there is no investigation into the matters. There >have been plenty where the CC was dismissed as a crack-pot and told >not to bother the members. I couldn't sit around and watch that junk >happen, it doesn't matter who the person is. If they have a problem, all >CC's deserve to be heard and their problem investigated to get ALL of >the facts and the matter dealt with appropriately. > >Jimmy has made some astounding accusations. My question is why? >He has been in a position of authority and having worked with him on the >Board, he has always seemed rational, honest and trustworthy. He has >been a friend and a big help to many right here in GA. A state that he has >worked tirelessly for and loves. I can't imagine that he would say >something >just to try and cause a problem where none exists. > >Obviously there has to be something amiss if we just went through a >recall election, where the petitioners withdrew the petition at the last >minute. >Why would they do that? There are many things that do not add up and >many questions that are not going to get answered any time too soon. I know >that Jimmy would not have said anyting if he didn't think he could prove it. >But then again, the proof is only relavent, IF those that are receiving the >information choose to accept it. If there is something wrong, why would >anyone >want things to continue as they have? If wrong has been done, why would >any CC in this state not want to see those that were involved, removed? > >Or is it a case of WHO is doing it, not that it is right or wrong? >Is it because many would never accept the idea that someone in such >a leadership position would do anything wrong, or that even if they did >you just don't want to know about it? Sort of like the way, many people >don't want to be involved with voting on important issues. It is very >much like the average citizen who does not ever want to be involved with >any civil disturbance and won't admit to being a witness because they >don't want to get involved. Is it fear? Is it apathy? I have never been >able to understand it. We dealt with it every day on the Board. I >decided my time was more valuable than wasting it everyday on arguments >that were never going to be righted anyway. > >There will never be clarification on any of these issues and none of us >will truly see the participation and growth within our State or our Project >until people start speaking up and demanding that leadership be held >accountable for their actions, and inactions. But denying there is a >problem, when even a blind person could see it, does nothing for the >good of the state or the Project, but it perpetuates the wrong and you >then become an enabler. Who then will you fault, when the truth is borne >out over time and by then it is so bad that we have people walking away >faster than they can be replaced. > >I've been around a long time and I always said I wouldn't quit, but >my head is starting to hurt and the brick wall seems to be getting larger >not smaller. > >Ron > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching >their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals >with just this type of research. Please refer them to: >http://www.adoption.org 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

At 09:05 AM 4/29/03 -0600, you wrote: > >Tim Stowell, in his capacity as State Coordinator of the GAGenWeb >Project, and Brenda Pierce, in her capacity as Assistant State >Coordinator and Regional Coordinator, and Margie Daniels, in her >capacity as Regional Coordinator of the GAGenWeb Project, willfully and >deliberately deceived and knowingly participated in this deception of >the members of the GAGenWeb and USGenWeb Projects by assuming the roles >of �Phantom� County coordinators with the express intention of >affecting the vote concerning the recall of Tim Stowell as State >Coordinator of the GAGenWeb Project. We know these identities they >assumed are real, live people. But as far as the GAGenWeb project is >concerned, the real, live people they portrayed here were not active in >the maintenance their adopted counties. Nothing could be further from the truth. There are no phantom county coordinators to my knowledge in GAGenWeb. As Jimmy well knows the RCs do most of the selection of CCs for their region, asking on occasion if any of the rest of us have heard of so and so and if so what other sites they coordinate. If they coordinate elsewhere that does bear on whether or not they get a site in GAGenWeb for if their sites elsewhere show problems do we really need them here? When the RCs find someone to coordinate x county they send the CC's name and email address to me requesting that I add them to the mailing list and the county table. I trust my RCs and to date have seen no reason to question them as to whether or not they are real persons - for I've certainly had no bounces that haven't been corrected for any of the new CCs. Since I know of no county coordinators that fit this description - 'phantom' the rest of his charge falls apart. I have not participated in any deception of the members of GAGenWeb or the USGenWeb projects by assuming the role of anyone but myself. I host 3 counties in Georgia - which the county table shows. I have recently assisted 3 CCs with their counties. When some CCs leave and either take everything with them or the original site or have their data on their own server or some server other than Rootsweb, we request space from Rootsweb for the new site. After they have the new account, we give them a basic site to work with thus our names may be on the shell site as the designer/creator of the site. We will also upload data for them. As far as I know that's not a crime. >Tim, Brenda, and Margie were not alone in this act of voter fraud as >there are other �unindicted� co-conspirators. When information >concerning the involvement others is uncovered, it will also be >presented to you. Since there was no conspiracy - there can not be any co-conspirators. <snip> >In addition, the IP addresses of the Tim, Margie, and Brenda (and her >husband Chuck�s account) were used to update the counties of these >�phantom� CC�s. Burke County - where the former CC said we could have the data from her Geocities site - and we acquired space and as I've got the data have put it on the new account for the current CC to use. Glynn County - where the CC didn't know HTML but subsequently was assisted by Jimmy, I believe, to use Front Page to create her site. I changed some things for her prior to that on the page previously designed by someone else until she could get a handle on things - and her site is very nice. Troup County - When the former CC left - Keith Giddeon he gave the site lock, stock and barrel to the Project. At the time he gave up the county he informed the RC of the fact but could not reach her and shortly after that time she resigned her RC position. Since there was no RC there at the time I removed Keith's name/addy and placed mine there until such time as a CC could be found and removed his design/format for my own. Subsequently a lady who transcribes for me in another state approached me about CCing in Georgia. She joined us in late January but told me that she had a trip already set to go on in February, so I agreed to watch over the site until she returned. She let me know at some time after that that her laptop had been stolen in the airport and that it would be a bit later until she could get a new computer. Still no problem. In the meantime I did show for a time my name/my address on the site and after she joined but was away, her name/my addy since without a computer it would have been impossible for her to answer any queries. Apparently the concept of teamwork eludes some folks - but I have helped others and will continue to do so as the need arises. <snip> >You may see all the detailed information to support these allegations of >voter fraud and deceit at http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaclarke/GA/index.htm Since I don't have a copy of his 'details' handy I'll answer them and you can refer to his 'details'. JE: "We will continue digging and eventually get to the bottom of this" TS: There is no bottom for there is no conspiracy. That the concept of helping others seems to hide itself from some I can certainly understand. JE: "Also notice the spellings of some name..." TS: I have no idea what you are getting at here but there are variations of my family's last name - all on legal records for the same family - Stowell, Stawell, Stowel, Stoel. JE: Complains that some folks that were welcomed didn't respond. TS: I don't respond to every piece of email I get. Perhaps these folks had seen how folks get treated on the list and didn't want to subject themselves to the same treatment. Folks do monitor lists before joining. JE: "Also notice the confusion on which name took over Jackson Co. In the above announcement, Tim names Dru Evans, effective 1/28. Yet on 3/2 he announce (sic) Teri as the new CC, effective 2/19. He announced 2 resignations in that same post, but neglected to mention the resignation of Dru Evans. ...." TS: The only confusion is on JE's part. Dru got sick of being lambasted by a visitor regarding a site she had linked to in the Archives (which I believe CCs are encouraged to do) accusing her of stealing the information. A link is a link. This person seemed incapable of understanding such. After a while she asked the RC if she could work elsewhere. As it was not a resignation as such but rather a transfer, there really was no reason to announce it. Besides I'd been critized for making announcements of changes on the state list, some asking that it not be posted. Announcing or not announcing is not a crime that I'm aware of. Other states sometimes announce such, other times they don't. JE: Rehash of Troup county. "Evidently Tim is willing to do for Charmaine what no one was willing to do for Paulette..." TS: Again nothing could be further from the truth. After Ms. Moon resigned on 12/27, we tried for 3 weeks to work with her to get some one to help her, yet she changed her mind every other email. When she said she had someone to help her that person refused to answer the simple questions of: 'can you build a website and can you upload it?' Therefore that person was never added to the Project and we finally gave up on trying to work with Ms. Moon who rebuffed every effort designed to assist her. JE: "On 2/21 I "inadvertently" got in their way by posting to gagen-l a list of counties available for adoption according to the county selection table. I was raked over the coals by Brenda because I created another mess that has to be dealt with and that it is already being insinuated that Brenda is not doing this above board. Unbeknowst to me was the fact they were in the process of 'filling' the counties, and would have a hard time explaining why they wre continuing to turn down legitimate CC's." TS: The problem was that you stepped out of turn. I had been posting from time to timethe counties available for adoption. You were offering counties that already had someone in the process of deciding whether or not to adopt a county, ie counties that weren't in your region. The 'they' would be the other RCs, just as they/you have done as RCs are supposed to do. As one region, East Central, did not at the time have an RC, Brenda and I were working on that together to find persons to host the sites. Some of these folks were found by reviewing previous requests to adopt, when in fact the counties were already being hosted, but these folks had expressed an interest in those counties via the web-form - not the Keith website. -------------------- Bottom line - No conspiracy. Just trying to do the job of SC to the best of my ability, without deceit, without trying to stack the vote, without crying in my soup had the recall gone the other way. With regards to voter fraud - how one gets that I don't know. I don't know who voted and who didn't - other than myself. I didn't vote for I was not allowed to vote by edict of the NC. If you know who voted - then the trust of the EC is broken - but I don't think it has been. Let's say you discount these folks - and add the other ones and take away some more - will the 'new' math, the 3rd or 4th time around get you to the desired end? Does the AB plan to keep passing motions and if that doesn't work, let's try a new motion, any motion worded some way to 'get Tim'? Have you ever noticed that the same folks are the ones that continually harp on this? I have made mistakes, I will make mistakes - but then so will you. That I do not know everything that goes on everywhere in GAGenWeb is neither a plus or a minus - it's just a fact. The fact is I have no knowledge of any conspiracy, nor have I participated in such an alleged contrivance as JE has charged. If there are any phantom CCs in Georgia I am unaware of them unless you are speaking of sites that are just links to other sites - those that have no data on them? How unsubstantiated allegations can be cause for a finding of 'not in good standing' is also a stretch of the imagination. Some folks see a conspiracy in every shadow but most of them are thankfully either well medicated or in institutions. Since there is no such in Georgia, you'll have to look somewhere else for such. Tim

To the best of my knowledge, there is no one currently on a moderated status on the list. Tim has provided me with the password for the list and has, essentially, appointed me moderator for the time-being. For the duration of this appointment, I can assure you that *NO ONE* will be placed on a moderated status because of their opinions or because what they have to say differs from the positions taken by those in a position to moderate. Of course, the regular rules of decorum (including not flaming and the prohibition of the use of vulgar language) must be followed. But, please rest assured that you will NOT be placed on a moderated status because *I* disagree with your opinions (of course, if you say I am ugly and my wife dresses me funny, well, then, you might find yourself moderated without regard to the fact that you have stated a truth that I agree with <maniacal grin>). So, within reason, let's chat. Before we have any further discussion of the recent round of accusations, I would like for the accused to have the opportunity to make their statements and then we can decide how exactly to proceed. I take these allegations very seriously and I share in the concerns that have been expressed to me privately and those set forth on the list. However, part of being above-board and even-handed requires that we hear (read!) both sides. Thank you, Richard --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.473 / Virus Database: 271 - Release Date: 4/17/2003

Am I no longer moderated? Carol At 11:40 PM 4/29/2003, you wrote: >To the best of my knowledge, there is no one currently on a moderated status >on the list. Tim has provided me with the password for the list and has, >essentially, appointed me moderator for the time-being. > >For the duration of this appointment, I can assure you that *NO ONE* will be >placed on a moderated status because of their opinions or because what they >have to say differs from the positions taken by those in a position to >moderate. Of course, the regular rules of decorum (including not flaming >and the prohibition of the use of vulgar language) must be followed. But, >please rest assured that you will NOT be placed on a moderated status >because *I* disagree with your opinions (of course, if you say I am ugly and >my wife dresses me funny, well, then, you might find yourself moderated >without regard to the fact that you have stated a truth that I agree with ><maniacal grin>). > >So, within reason, let's chat. > >Before we have any further discussion of the recent round of accusations, I >would like for the accused to have the opportunity to make their statements >and then we can decide how exactly to proceed. I take these allegations >very seriously and I share in the concerns that have been expressed to me >privately and those set forth on the list. However, part of being >above-board and even-handed requires that we hear (read!) both sides. > >Thank you, >Richard > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.473 / Virus Database: 271 - Release Date: 4/17/2003 > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

To all members of the list I will try not to take up to much of your time. Most of the people on this list feel the same as me that this list takes up way to much of my time. I just had a few comments, points, etc to bring up that have been bothering me for awhile now. I usually keep my mouth shut and try to ignore this, but I cannot any longer. 1. I find it strange and interesting that 2 people resigned this week and both were on moderate (when did this happen and why). I can understand why they left the project, but I don't understand what they did to cause them to be moderated. 2. Jimmy was terminated very abruptly today, what in a matter of hours of his publication. I find this very interesting that someone is removed so quickly. (I do understand that according to the guidelines that the SC can do this because he appointed Jimmy, but I believe this must change, please include that in the revision committee for future looking into * I would like to know what Jimmy did that put him on moderate? Was it because he emailed Tim, Margie and Brenda specifically and asked them to resign? * I agree with Richard that before anyone gets terminated and everyone goes off the deep end, that these allegations should be answered, we have a right to know. NOT with the usual bickering but with actual proof, etc. From Tim, Margie and Brenda, not the other cheerleaders that go with this group. * I think Jimmy's presentation was very convincing but since I don't know the other side, I cannot say for sure. I, along with many others are curiously waiting to see what will be said by Tim, Margie and Brenda 3. I have never had a problem with Tim in the past. I did not vote only because I had actually forgotten to vote. I was undecided because since most of the issues brought up were about things that happened before I joined the project and mostly I was seeing only Tim's side of the story anyway 4. I find it interesting that ever since I joined this project, it seems to be that the same 20 or so people are always bickering back and forth. It is getting really old. The same group, fight back and forth over everything in here. Even to go as far as to tear into Joy Fisher for making a remark that had nothing to do with a threat or negativity but telling it like it was. I am one of the people who are about to walk just because I am just so sick and tired of this. 5. I am also getting really tired of certain individuals brow beating us cc's because we choose not to vote, or we don't get involved. Most of us are happy to work on our counties and get the job we came here to do, done. It seems to me that the only people who are yelling about the injustice of the guidelines, etc are the same ones that are always causing problems on this list. YES, there need to be some changes to the guidelines, but this should be worked out in a much better manner than it has been. * It is constantly being said that if we don't vote we can't complain, well news to you honey, I didn't vote and I'm NOT complaining. * There are some who have brought up issues that should be addressed, but instead of this being done, the same 20 people jump in and start a war back and forth about it. I suspect that this may get me moderated but I frankly do give a care. I have other more important and pressing matters in life, than to worry about the petty trials of the certain people on this list. I can almost guarantee that most of those 20 people will have something to say about my note here, validating my point. I have a husband that was laid off two weeks ago, and I have a baby due in four weeks. I am not even sure that I will be able to continue with the project just because the time constraints that this will bring. I am planning to stick it out but not if this constant childish behavior does not end. I get enough of this political mumbo jumbo from work and daily life, I don't need or want it here. Thank you for reading and I would appreciate Tim's answer to the questions about Jimmy's allegations. I DO NOT WANT a flurry of emails to this list about my email. I only want the actual parties to respond. I can care less what anyone else has to say about what is happening or what my email contains. I DO NOT WANT any private emails either because that only causes problems too. thanks Christine http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacalhou

I have read quietly and only decided to speak up because of the election that is slated for the SE/MA Rep. Someone said that those that don't vote have no right to complain and that is a very true statement. Voting is a very important part of our freedom. Not just in our home life, but in the life of this Project. I may as well tell you all now, the underlying problem and one of the reasons that led me to throw in the towel on the Advisory Board is the majority members interpretations of their roles and their complete resignation to having any power to acomplish anything for the good of the Project. Except in the few cases where it is beneficial for the NC and his/her political posutring, then there seems to be no holds barred. NOTHING is done for the rights of the CC's, when there is an SC in the picture. The vote will always be on the side of the SC, regardless of right and wrong and there is no investigation into the matters. There have been plenty where the CC was dismissed as a crack-pot and told not to bother the members. I couldn't sit around and watch that junk happen, it doesn't matter who the person is. If they have a problem, all CC's deserve to be heard and their problem investigated to get ALL of the facts and the matter dealt with appropriately. Jimmy has made some astounding accusations. My question is why? He has been in a position of authority and having worked with him on the Board, he has always seemed rational, honest and trustworthy. He has been a friend and a big help to many right here in GA. A state that he has worked tirelessly for and loves. I can't imagine that he would say something just to try and cause a problem where none exists. Obviously there has to be something amiss if we just went through a recall election, where the petitioners withdrew the petition at the last minute. Why would they do that? There are many things that do not add up and many questions that are not going to get answered any time too soon. I know that Jimmy would not have said anyting if he didn't think he could prove it. But then again, the proof is only relavent, IF those that are receiving the information choose to accept it. If there is something wrong, why would anyone want things to continue as they have? If wrong has been done, why would any CC in this state not want to see those that were involved, removed? Or is it a case of WHO is doing it, not that it is right or wrong? Is it because many would never accept the idea that someone in such a leadership position would do anything wrong, or that even if they did you just don't want to know about it? Sort of like the way, many people don't want to be involved with voting on important issues. It is very much like the average citizen who does not ever want to be involved with any civil disturbance and won't admit to being a witness because they don't want to get involved. Is it fear? Is it apathy? I have never been able to understand it. We dealt with it every day on the Board. I decided my time was more valuable than wasting it everyday on arguments that were never going to be righted anyway. There will never be clarification on any of these issues and none of us will truly see the participation and growth within our State or our Project until people start speaking up and demanding that leadership be held accountable for their actions, and inactions. But denying there is a problem, when even a blind person could see it, does nothing for the good of the state or the Project, but it perpetuates the wrong and you then become an enabler. Who then will you fault, when the truth is borne out over time and by then it is so bad that we have people walking away faster than they can be replaced. I've been around a long time and I always said I wouldn't quit, but my head is starting to hurt and the brick wall seems to be getting larger not smaller. Ron

Michelle Are you getting an error message, is it just not uploading? What precisely is happening, and how are you uploading it? Size shouldn't be a problem unless it is really huge. What size is it? jimmy Michele Lewis wrote: > I am having a problem uploaded a picture to my web site. I have never had this problem before. > > This is a picture someone sent me that is a group of old men that was taken in Thomson way back when. > > We are trying to hype it up as a sort of contest to see who can identify where the picture was taken, when it was taken and who is in it. > > Anyway, I can't get the picture to upload! > > Is there some sort of size limit? I have shrunk the picture considerably. If I shrink it any more you won't be able to identify the people in it. > > michele > McDuffie Co > *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus *** > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com

What a WONDERFUL old photo...it looks like every photo I've ever seen of 'Civil War' Veterans. Can't tell for sure, but it 'looks like' a couple of them are wearing some sort of medal. I tried to enlarge it in Paint Shop Pro, to see if it is a Southern Cross, but it blurs out too much to say for sure at this resolution. Could be a Confederate Veteran's Reunion. "UCV" If that is what it is, you might find some information as to when these Reunions were held in the area, and maybe even who attended. Can't wait to hear what you discover on this one. Sharon http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamcduff/mystery.htm Hugs... Michele Lewis McDuffie Co

Here is my mystery page that has the picture of the old men. It is really cool. I want to see if anyone knows WHERE the picture was taken, WHEN it was taken and WHO is in the picture. It would be great if we would identify everyone in it. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamcduff/mystery.htm Thanks again for figuring out why the picture wouldn't upload. Hugs... Michele Lewis McDuffie Co *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***

You guys are so smart! The problem was the file name. It was old men.jpg with a space between old and men. I took out the space and it uploaded just fine :) :) michele *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***

Michele, I see you have already been given the ideas to check the file name to make sure it is jpg or gif format... also double check your file name, make sure there are no spaces odd characters, or capital letters. Then again, sometimes it is RootsWeb server that is flakey and will work if you wait awhile and try again. I am surely no expert, but willing to try and help anyone anyway... I think it is always fun when we can learn together. Let us know the file format you are trying and the size if you are still having problems. Best wishes. Sharon

I am having a problem uploaded a picture to my web site. I have never had this problem before. This is a picture someone sent me that is a group of old men that was taken in Thomson way back when. We are trying to hype it up as a sort of contest to see who can identify where the picture was taken, when it was taken and who is in it. Anyway, I can't get the picture to upload! Is there some sort of size limit? I have shrunk the picture considerably. If I shrink it any more you won't be able to identify the people in it. michele McDuffie Co *** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus ***

Michele, Usually, if the picture is a .tif, .tiff, or .bmp, for some reason those don't FTP very well. In fact, I don't think Rootsweb, USGenNet or Yahoo/Geocities will take those formats at all. Is your picture in a .gif or .jpg format? Dawn Watson CC/Rabun Co., GAGenWeb >From: "Michele Lewis" <frugalmom@earthlink.net> >Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GAGEN] a problem >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 19:44:27 -0400 > >I am having a problem uploaded a picture to my web site. I have never had >this problem before. > >This is a picture someone sent me that is a group of old men that was taken >in Thomson way back when. > >We are trying to hype it up as a sort of contest to see who can identify >where the picture was taken, when it was taken and who is in it. > >Anyway, I can't get the picture to upload! > >Is there some sort of size limit? I have shrunk the picture considerably. >If I shrink it any more you won't be able to identify the people in it. > >michele >McDuffie Co >*** All outgoing mail checked by Norton AntiVirus *** > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

The Atlanta Journal and Constitution has changed its mind about dropping Ken Thomas' column. Apparently they were flooded with phone calls and emails. Thanks to all of your who contributed your voice. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

> We are trying to hype it up as a sort of contest to see who can identify where the picture was taken, when it was taken and who is in it. Oh that sounds fun!! Do you know about what size the photo is? or the resolution? I do the GA Archives Photo Album & get some quite large ones sometimes. While I'm not the expert <g>, I do had some experience in this area, & maybe I can help you. Bettie <>< -- Renew your spirit, refresh Your soul, & Rejoice with all humankind. -- All outgoing mail virus free, scanned by Norton 2002, http://www.symantec.com/

Folks, These are some pretty serious allegations. I want to state up front that, if there is one shred of truth to them, I will be highly disappointed. I, for one, would like to be able to stop being the voice of reason. However, I will continue to do what I must to save this project. For me, like the rest of us, this project is a labor of love. I may not agree with all of you all the time and you may not agree with me all of the time, but we have two common bonds: our love of genealogy and our desire to help our fellow researchers. I recognize the sacrifice that each of us makes for this project. Maybe we miss a favorite episode of JAG, or maybe we miss a dinner with the family, an hour with the husband or wife or children. Whatever. We all make a sacrifice to be part of this project. When allegations like this one raise their ugly head, they deserve investigation. But, even though they hurt us and cause us anger, they also deserve to be dealt with in a manner that belies an open mind and the desire to see the truth. To that end, before anyone else gets upset or goes off half-cocked, I want to offer an opportunity to Tim, Margie, Brenda and Chuck to present their side of the story - their response to these serious allegations. So, can we all agree to await these responses before we get angry or emotional and say something that we might not mean after we hear what has to be said? Please? Guys, the ball is in your court. I recommend that you take this opportunity to refute these allegations and allow the Project to (hopefully) move forward. Thanks, Richard Pettys Second ASC Coastal Regional Coordinator ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:46:45 -0500 Subject: [GAGEN] Fwd: Deceit - Formal Grievance > >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 > >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:44:07 -0500 > >From: jimmy <eppy@ticnet.com> > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (Win98; U) > >X-Accept-Language: en > >To: GAGen <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com>, GAGenWeb <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>, > > Crilley <varcsix@hot.rr.com>, Richard Pettys <mannannan@maclyr.com>, > > Melody <mmccook@bellsouth.net>, bclody@charter.net > >Subject: Deceit - Formal Grievance > >X-Spam-Score: 0 > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > > > >I move that the GAGenWeb declare Tim Stowell, Margie Daniels, Brenda > >Pierce, and Chuck Pierce be found members not in good standing within > >the GAGenWeb Project for willfully and deliberately deceiving and > >knowingly participating in this deception of the members of the GAGenWeb > >and USGenWeb Projects by assuming the roles of "Phantom" County > >coordinators with the express intention of affecting the vote concerning > >the recall of Tim Stowell as State Coordinator of the GAGenWeb Project. > > > > > >Supporting documentation has previously been forwarded to the Council. > > > > > >As I am on moderated status on gagen-l would someone please forward this > >to gagen-l and gagenweb-l. > > > >Thanks > >Jimmy Epperson > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it > on this list! ------- End of Original Message -------

This is wonderful news!!! --Heather (CC-White Co.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wyndell Taylor" <gagenie@bellsouth.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: [GAGEN] We Win When We Stick Together > n a message dated 4/29/2003 2:17:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, > Ken_Thomas@dnr.state.ga.us writes: > > > Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2 pm from my office > > Friends to whom I sent out my column cancellation alert on Monday > (and to all of those you may forward this to) > > Today, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution called me back (at my office) at 1 > pm and said, in their opening remarks: "We Surrender" and to continue > writing the column on the same schedule. (they surrendered after only 23 > hrs, not bad, shorter than the Iraqi conflict)..... When I told them I had > sent out only ONE email, he said you have a "heck of a network" and of > course I wondered what institution would not think that any group worth > their salt would not have a NETWORK and subnetworks etc. I mean, maybe the > Pet of the Week who shares my page with me may not have his/her troops in > order, but the GENEALOGISTS AND HISTORIANS have pulled through and saved > the day (my favorite quote from the only cartoon movie my family owned- > Mighty Mouse- who came to SAVE THE DAY and you all have done it. > > I would appreciate it, and the AJC asked, that I ask anyone who has sent > out their own email to subnetworks, to write them back and announce the > continuation and that no more emails or voice mails be left at the > newspaper. I have printed out the letters of support if we need them in the > future. So I ask that now. Some of you are getting two emails of this ilk > today, but better two than none. > > Now we can have an e-celebration of sorts. > (and say a prayer for the Pet of the Week) > > thanks for all of your help in this matter. > > Remember the State Archives reopens next Tuesday, May 6, with a reception > the night before by the Taylor Foundation. from 3-6. I now will be able to > write up the new archives for my May 18 column. > > Beginning my 27th year of writing my column. > > Ken Thomas > > > Kenneth H. Thomas, Jr., Historian > Historic Preservation Division, GA DNR > 156 Trinity Ave. SW, Suite 101 > Atlanta, GA 30303-3600 > > E-mail: ken_thomas@mail.dnr.state.ga.us > O-direct/voice: 404-651-5568 > Fax: 404-657-1040 > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > >

DITTO!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gloria Holback" <gholback_1999@yahoo.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 3:26 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Beating a dead horse > It never ceases to amaze me that some people will go to any lengths to keep a dispute going. And now Jimmy goes so far as to accuse Tim, Brenda and Margie of having control over the election results. Well if that were the case I would hope that they could have done better witht the results than the votes came out...couldn't they have arranged for a few more votes on the side they were alleged to have been fixing? This is the most ridculous claims yet. There are a lot of members within the GAGenWeb Project who chose to boycott the voting which they felt should never have been able to have gotten past the AB. Had those voted for Tim remaining maybe that would have put all of your minds to ease. But I don't think that would have done it either. If your so very unhappy with this project then do go create one someplace else on the WWW by all means and leave the members of this project who seem to be a silent majority....to do their jobs in peace and quiet. GDH > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > >

In a message dated 4/29/03 2:44:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gagenie@bellsouth.net writes: > We Win When We Stick Together When we have common cause, common goals, common respect, common ethics, common sense, we do win. MK Harrison <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">mkharrison.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> I don't know what kind of weapons will be used in the third world war, assuming there will be a third world war. But I can tell you what the fourth world war will be fought with - stone clubs. -Albert Einstein Copyright © 2003

n a message dated 4/29/2003 2:17:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, Ken_Thomas@dnr.state.ga.us writes: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 2 pm from my office Friends to whom I sent out my column cancellation alert on Monday (and to all of those you may forward this to) Today, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution called me back (at my office) at 1 pm and said, in their opening remarks: "We Surrender" and to continue writing the column on the same schedule. (they surrendered after only 23 hrs, not bad, shorter than the Iraqi conflict)..... When I told them I had sent out only ONE email, he said you have a "heck of a network" and of course I wondered what institution would not think that any group worth their salt would not have a NETWORK and subnetworks etc. I mean, maybe the Pet of the Week who shares my page with me may not have his/her troops in order, but the GENEALOGISTS AND HISTORIANS have pulled through and saved the day (my favorite quote from the only cartoon movie my family owned- Mighty Mouse- who came to SAVE THE DAY and you all have done it. I would appreciate it, and the AJC asked, that I ask anyone who has sent out their own email to subnetworks, to write them back and announce the continuation and that no more emails or voice mails be left at the newspaper. I have printed out the letters of support if we need them in the future. So I ask that now. Some of you are getting two emails of this ilk today, but better two than none. Now we can have an e-celebration of sorts. (and say a prayer for the Pet of the Week) thanks for all of your help in this matter. Remember the State Archives reopens next Tuesday, May 6, with a reception the night before by the Taylor Foundation. from 3-6. I now will be able to write up the new archives for my May 18 column. Beginning my 27th year of writing my column. Ken Thomas Kenneth H. Thomas, Jr., Historian Historic Preservation Division, GA DNR 156 Trinity Ave. SW, Suite 101 Atlanta, GA 30303-3600 E-mail: ken_thomas@mail.dnr.state.ga.us O-direct/voice: 404-651-5568 Fax: 404-657-1040