First and foremost, thank you to Debra and Jan. You have said things much better than I could ever hope to. Do we have problems in GAGENWEB? It appears that we do. However, the answer to those problems is not to bring the Guidelines Revision to a screeching halt. The answer is to move it faster and harder. The issues currently pending are not issues or items that would be affected by a revision of the Guidelines, and the issues do not directly affect the guidelines, except as possibly something to consider the possibility of happening and to prevent that from happening. Jacki Jonas, as our former secretary, had created a webpage for the committee. Aside from our names, there was nothing yet on board. I am sure that Thomas Hammack will maintain a webpage for us. I will ask him to present you with the URL as soon as he has established one. I want to take this opportunity to thank each of you for your support with the committee. But we need more support. We need your input, your ideas and your encouragement. I also want to take this opportunity (as I often will, I am sure) to thank the committee members for their dedication and for the work they have put forth. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Jan Cortez" <cristian@netonecom.net> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 20:30:54 -0400 Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Guidelines Revision Committee Update > I have to agree with Debra, that we need to continue on. She and I > are both working on CC Rights and Responsibilities. > > We have many problems that need to be addressed, what charges that > have been levied against others in the project should not stop us > from moving forward in this regard. > > I am representing the NE Region on the guidelines committee, but, I welcome > any and all ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc. on our work with CC Rights. > Debra and I cannot possibly think of everything, we need you, the > members of this project to help us out. Please this is your time to > express your thoughts on those rights! > > Jan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> > > > I realize that we are all holding our breaths and wanting to see the > current situation > > resolved. However I also realize that we need to do all that we can to see > that these > > situations must not occur again. We are wanting to revamp the guidelines > to better > > protect the cc's in this project and while we are waiting for the outcome > of current charges > > we need to be thinking about the good of this project. I am representing > the South Central > > Region and would love to hear from the cc's in that area on what changes > they feel should > > be made in this project and what rights should we as "cc's" have. > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB- L@rootsweb.com> ------- End of Original Message -------

Hi Kathleen....nice to see you online...Gloria Kathleen Pettys <brighid@maclyr.com> wrote:Hello All, I am first apologizing for being remiss in my duties. I have not been online since last Tuesday due to some personal problems concerning our daughter. Thankfully the situation is being resolved. And I did not "pop" him in the head when he told me about the earthquake, I actually slept through it. But I digress. As you know I am responsible for communicating with the CC's in the Coastal Region, I have the list below. I am asking for your suggestions concerning the Guidelines. By working together we can get this done, and get back to the job at hand, Genelogy. :-) Please send you suggestions, questions or comments to me at Brighid@Maclyr.com as soon as possible. Thank You, Katie Coastal region: Appling Bacon Brantley Bryan Camden Charlton Chatham Clinch Echols Effingham Evans Glynn Liberty Long McIntosh Pierce Tattnall Toombs Ware Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.473 / Virus Database: 271 - Release Date: 4/17/2003 ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo.

Please share your ideas on how we can make the guidelines easier for all of us to live with. Something positive can come of this effort if we make it a group effort. Your views and ideas are important and should not go without being known. Now it the chance for all CCs to be heard...So if your a CC for any of the following counties please let your ideas and wishes be known. Write to me and let me present your ideas and suggestions to the committee? Thank you, Gloria Bartow, Carroll, Catoosa, Chattanooga, Dade, Fannin, Floyd, Gilmer, Gordon, Haralson, Heard, Meriwether, Murray, Paulding, Pickens, Pike, Polk, Troup, Walker, Whitfield.

Linda, It was my understanding from the Committee Members that they sent requests last week. However, I believe that Margie did not get any sent out. Please accept my apologies for that blunder. :) Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Linda Barton" <lab@boone.net> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 22:01:27 -0400 Subject: RE: [GAGEN] Guidelines Revision Committee Update > Richard, > > The "scant response" may be because I received the request for suggestions > about 2 minutes before this post came into my mailbox. If that is > the case with other CC's, that might be why there has not been much response. > > Linda Barton > > -----Original Message----- > From: mannannan [mailto:mannannan@maclyr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 6:11 PM > To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GAGEN] Guidelines Revision Committee Update > > Hello and Happy Wednesday! I hope everyone enjoyed the earthquake. > We'll try to let y'all know about the next one in advance. > > Having lived in sunny Southern California, I had experienced earthquakes > before. I was awakened yesterday by the quake and actually > yelled "earthquake!" Katie popped me in the head and told me to > take my earthquake back to bed. > > Seriously, I want to announce that Thomas Hammack has volunteered to > serve as the Secretary of the Guidelines Revision Committee. He is > the CC of Wilkes County and one other county that escapes me at the > moment. Please send him your condolences, errrr, congratulations! > > We are trying to work on two items right now. The first is fairly > straightforward, as it is an effort to bring the guidelines into compliance > with the National Bylaws. The second item is a CC's Bill of Rights. > The Committee Members report that they have sent emails to you guys > asking for help and information in the form of suggestions of what > you think needs to be included, and the response has been scant. > > I know we have been through alot in recent months, and I know that > there is more going on, and that this is in addition to our > genealogical work and our lives, but if you could give an extra few > minutes to hit the reply button and send a suggestion or 20 back, it > would certainly give us an idea of where you want us to go with this > CC's bill of rights. > > Thanks, > Richard > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB- L@rootsweb.com> > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB- L@rootsweb.com> ------- End of Original Message -------

Jacki Jonas is the new member of the Committee. She was secretary and is now a full member. Thomas Hammack is the new secretary. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "ed gordon" <edeye1@hotmail.com> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 23:31:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Guidelines Revision Committee Update > Who is filling Dereks place?? He would of been my contact person. I > did send my thoughts to Debra > > I also must agree with Linda and Carol at this point in time we have > a little bit more important issue to deal with. > > ED GORDON > CCHS > Clay County GaGenWeb > Early County AHGP > Miller County GaGenWeb > Miller County AHGP > Seminole County GaGenWeb > Ed and Kim's Connection's > > From: "mannannan" <mannannan@maclyr.com> > Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GAGEN] Guidelines Revision Committee Update > Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 17:11:07 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.41]) by > mc8-f41.law1.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Wed, > 30 Apr > 2003 15:13:48 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost)by > lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id > h3UMAwso012224;Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:10:58 -0600 X-Message-Info: vAu4ZEtdRigLaEiTQQBlDPU44G8LMD9u > Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 16:10:58 -0600 > X-Original-Sender: mannannan@maclyr.com Wed Apr 30 16:10:58 2003 > Old-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Message-Id: <20030430221107.M25265@maclyr.com> > In-Reply-To: <1cc.87b5e89.2be14c5a@aol.com> > References: <1cc.87b5e89.2be14c5a@aol.com> > X-Mailer: Open WebMail 1.81 20021127 > X-OriginatingIP: 216.78.42.233 (mannannan) > Resent-Message-ID: <iwjBeB.A.2-C.ynEs-@lists5.rootsweb.com> > Resent-From: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5223 > X-Loop: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: GAGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > Return-Path: GAGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2003 22:13:48.0320 (UTC) > FILETIME=[C5EC0A00:01C30F65] > > Hello and Happy Wednesday! I hope everyone enjoyed the earthquake. > We'll try to let y'all know about the next one in advance. > > Having lived in sunny Southern California, I had experienced earthquakes > before. I was awakened yesterday by the quake and actually > yelled "earthquake!" Katie popped me in the head and told me to > take my earthquake back to bed. > > Seriously, I want to announce that Thomas Hammack has volunteered to > serve as the Secretary of the Guidelines Revision Committee. He is > the CC of Wilkes County and one other county that escapes me at the > moment. Please send him your condolences, errrr, congratulations! > > We are trying to work on two items right now. The first is fairly > straightforward, as it is an effort to bring the guidelines into compliance > with the National Bylaws. The second item is a CC's Bill of Rights. > The Committee Members report that they have sent emails to you guys > asking for help and information in the form of suggestions of what > you think needs to be included, and the response has been scant. > > I know we have been through alot in recent months, and I know that > there is more going on, and that this is in addition to our > genealogical work and our lives, but if you could give an extra few > minutes to hit the reply button and send a suggestion or 20 back, it > would certainly give us an idea of where you want us to go with this > CC's bill of rights. > > Thanks, > Richard > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB- L@rootsweb.com> > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. ------- End of Original Message -------

I have to agree with Debra, that we need to continue on. She and I are both working on CC Rights and Responsibilities. We have many problems that need to be addressed, what charges that have been levied against others in the project should not stop us from moving forward in this regard. I am representing the NE Region on the guidelines committee, but, I welcome any and all ideas, thoughts, suggestions, etc. on our work with CC Rights. Debra and I cannot possibly think of everything, we need you, the members of this project to help us out. Please this is your time to express your thoughts on those rights! Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debra Crosby" <poohbos@poohbos.com> > I realize that we are all holding our breaths and wanting to see the current situation > resolved. However I also realize that we need to do all that we can to see that these > situations must not occur again. We are wanting to revamp the guidelines to better > protect the cc's in this project and while we are waiting for the outcome of current charges > we need to be thinking about the good of this project. I am representing the South Central > Region and would love to hear from the cc's in that area on what changes they feel should > be made in this project and what rights should we as "cc's" have.

From Ed Gordon: >Who is filling Dereks place?? He would of been my contact person. I did send >my thoughts to Debra. Ed, that would be me. I was the secretary until Derek resigned yesterday. I will be sending out an email to the SW Region later this evening. So all of you in the SW Region start putting your thoughts together! Jacki

At 08:47 PM 4/30/2003, Linda Barton wrote: >I believe these accusations should be addressed by all before any further >work is done by the guidelines committee. I was just contacted by the >contact person for my region for my ideas/suggestions and I believe that the >guidelines "project" can not and should not move forward until the present >issues are resolved. > >Linda Barton > I totally agree. FWIW, I have not been contacted by "my contact person", but had I been, I would have said basically the same thing you said in your post, Linda - we have urgent business at hand at the moment and a guidelines revision should not have to take a back seat in anyone's mind - it is too important. Right now, there is one issue that takes precedence, and it must be resolved, IMHO, before we can focus on anything else. Sweeping it under the rug is not going to make it go away - not this time. Carol Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/

Hello and Happy Wednesday! I hope everyone enjoyed the earthquake. We'll try to let y'all know about the next one in advance. Having lived in sunny Southern California, I had experienced earthquakes before. I was awakened yesterday by the quake and actually yelled "earthquake!" Katie popped me in the head and told me to take my earthquake back to bed. Seriously, I want to announce that Thomas Hammack has volunteered to serve as the Secretary of the Guidelines Revision Committee. He is the CC of Wilkes County and one other county that escapes me at the moment. Please send him your condolences, errrr, congratulations! We are trying to work on two items right now. The first is fairly straightforward, as it is an effort to bring the guidelines into compliance with the National Bylaws. The second item is a CC's Bill of Rights. The Committee Members report that they have sent emails to you guys asking for help and information in the form of suggestions of what you think needs to be included, and the response has been scant. I know we have been through alot in recent months, and I know that there is more going on, and that this is in addition to our genealogical work and our lives, but if you could give an extra few minutes to hit the reply button and send a suggestion or 20 back, it would certainly give us an idea of where you want us to go with this CC's bill of rights. Thanks, Richard

Richard, I don't blame Bill for having one of the possible "phantom" counties in his region. I realize it went into place after Carla left and before he was appointed. I did notice that if you go to his regional page, he has not linked to it. Donna In a message dated 4/30/03 10:52:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mannannan@maclyr.com writes: > People, > > Let's please, please, please not get onto Bill for this. He is a brand new > RC. He is a model RC in that he is generally quiet, preferring not to say > much unless asked. > > Like many of us, he is upset and did not give the careful consideration to > his words. I would consider it a personal favor from each of us to simply > let this one go. We have much bigger problems to deal with. > > Richard

Following is the entire message to which I was responding, followed by my response in its entirety. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County >Well I guess since I am going to throw my two cents worth in I will now be >attacked. >However, I am going to unequivocally state that I am and have been the real >CC for Walker County Georgia. I did not seek the RC job and somewhat >reluctantly took the position after Carla resigned. I did both care and take >the time to seek Carla's reasons for resigning prior to being offered the >position. She chose not to respond which is both her right and privilege. >She and I had an excellent working relation while she was the NW RC. Being >attacked seems to be the current way of life on this list. >The vote basically failed due to a lack of interest not because there wasn't >enough votes to either remove Tim or conversely issue a massive vote of >confidence on his behalf. I do not believe that continuing to rip your >garments and beat your breast over alleged wrong doing is going to be >anything but counter productive for the project. There was a period shortly >after the election that the list sort of quieted back down. Apparently that >has passed. What is the point of having a non productive - non decisive >election results thrown out. It was neither a mandate for or against Tim but >rather a statement of what is happening with voting in this country today >and that is basically the masses won't take the time to understand the >issues well enough to have an opinion. It is especially bad in something as >divisive as this has been since the general reaction to all the sound and >fury is almost naturally going to be "I don't even want to know" >Bill Clody >CC Walker County >RC Northwest Georgia Region > > At 12:49 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > I did not seek the RC job and somewhat reluctantly took the position > > > after Carla resigned. > > > > That is a most interesting revelation, since there were several others who > > really wanted the job and attempted to apply, but were not allowed to. > > > > >The vote basically failed due to a lack of interest not because there >wasn't > > >enough votes to either remove Tim or conversely issue a massive vote of > > >confidence on his behalf. > > > > I absolutely agree that the SC cannot possibly assume from the vote that >he > > has the support of the membership. > > > > Vivian Price Saffold > > Meriwether County > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Carol C-H" <cch@netdoor.com> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:50 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Fwd: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 > > > > >X-Authentication-Warning: ocelot.noc.ucla.edu: jfisher owned process > > >doing -bs > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:49:28 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> > > > > >To: cch@netdoor.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > > > >X-Spam-Score: 0 > > > > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / >mimedefang) > > > > > > > > > >As a result of this development I am recommending to the EC that the > > > > >results of the GA Recall be invalidated. > > > > > > > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on >this > > >list! > > > > 3570 Hildon Circle > > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching >their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals >with just this type of research. Please refer them to: >http://www.adoption.org 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

Well I am being moderated as Tim just sent me a notice yesterday. ED GORDON CCHS Clay County GaGenWeb Early County AHGP Miller County GaGenWeb Miller County AHGP Seminole County GaGenWeb Ed and Kim's Connection's From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The GaGen List Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:57:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.41]) by mc9-f27.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:03:41 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost)by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id h3U4vQ1E003885;Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:57:26 -0600 X-Message-Info: vAu4ZEtdRigLaEiTQQBlDPU44G8LMD9u Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:57:26 -0600 X-Original-Sender: cch@netdoor.com Tue Apr 29 22:57:25 2003 Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030429235710.033eb810@netdoor.com> X-Sender: cch@netdoor.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 Old-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com In-Reply-To: <002501c30ed2$a2df73a0$0000a398@Pavil2> References: <001a01c30ec6$f41dc110$c700a8c0@soffemartin.com> Resent-Message-ID: <H-NRB.A.R8.2e1r-@lists5.rootsweb.com> Resent-From: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5209 X-Loop: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: GAGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com Return-Path: GAGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2003 05:03:41.0260 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE0B20C0:01C30ED5] Am I no longer moderated? Carol At 11:40 PM 4/29/2003, you wrote: >To the best of my knowledge, there is no one currently on a moderated >status >on the list. Tim has provided me with the password for the list and has, >essentially, appointed me moderator for the time-being. > >For the duration of this appointment, I can assure you that *NO ONE* will >be >placed on a moderated status because of their opinions or because what they >have to say differs from the positions taken by those in a position to >moderate. Of course, the regular rules of decorum (including not flaming >and the prohibition of the use of vulgar language) must be followed. But, >please rest assured that you will NOT be placed on a moderated status >because *I* disagree with your opinions (of course, if you say I am ugly >and >my wife dresses me funny, well, then, you might find yourself moderated >without regard to the fact that you have stated a truth that I agree with ><maniacal grin>). > >So, within reason, let's chat. > >Before we have any further discussion of the recent round of accusations, I >would like for the accused to have the opportunity to make their statements >and then we can decide how exactly to proceed. I take these allegations >very seriously and I share in the concerns that have been expressed to me >privately and those set forth on the list. However, part of being >above-board and even-handed requires that we hear (read!) both sides. > >Thank you, >Richard > > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.473 / Virus Database: 271 - Release Date: 4/17/2003 > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this list! _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Tim Moderate me if you must but I am getting mad. As I said in the original it begins now. I wrote one reply to the list and my reply is being replayed in bits and pieces. You people are like vermin. Quoting out of context and in snippets is fraudulent. Show the entire text or at least what you are quoting or get off it. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Saffold" <msaffold@bellsouth.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 6:35 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Fwd: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > At 12:49 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > I did not seek the RC job and somewhat reluctantly took the position > > after Carla resigned. > > That is a most interesting revelation, since there were several others who > really wanted the job and attempted to apply, but were not allowed to. > > >The vote basically failed due to a lack of interest not because there wasn't > >enough votes to either remove Tim or conversely issue a massive vote of > >confidence on his behalf. > > I absolutely agree that the SC cannot possibly assume from the vote that he > has the support of the membership. > > Vivian Price Saffold > Meriwether County > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Carol C-H" <cch@netdoor.com> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:50 AM > >Subject: [GAGEN] Fwd: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > > > > > > > > > >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 > > > >X-Authentication-Warning: ocelot.noc.ucla.edu: jfisher owned process > >doing -bs > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:49:28 -0700 (PDT) > > > >From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> > > > >To: cch@netdoor.com > > > >Subject: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > > >X-Spam-Score: 0 > > > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > > > > > > > >As a result of this development I am recommending to the EC that the > > > >results of the GA Recall be invalidated. > > > > > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this > >list! > > 3570 Hildon Circle > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >

People, Let's please, please, please not get onto Bill for this. He is a brand new RC. He is a model RC in that he is generally quiet, preferring not to say much unless asked. Like many of us, he is upset and did not give the careful consideration to his words. I would consider it a personal favor from each of us to simply let this one go. We have much bigger problems to deal with. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Bill Clody" <bclody@charter.net> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:16:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Fwd: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > Tim > Moderate me if you must but I am getting mad. As I said in the > original it begins now. I wrote one reply to the list and my reply > is being replayed in bits and pieces. You people are like vermin. > Quoting out of context and in snippets is fraudulent. Show the > entire text or at least what you are quoting or get off it. Bill > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Saffold" <msaffold@bellsouth.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2003 6:35 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Fwd: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > > At 12:49 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > I did not seek the RC job and somewhat reluctantly took the position > > > after Carla resigned. > > > > That is a most interesting revelation, since there were several others who > > really wanted the job and attempted to apply, but were not allowed to. > > > > >The vote basically failed due to a lack of interest not because there > wasn't > > >enough votes to either remove Tim or conversely issue a massive vote of > > >confidence on his behalf. > > > > I absolutely agree that the SC cannot possibly assume from the vote that > he > > has the support of the membership. > > > > Vivian Price Saffold > > Meriwether County > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Carol C-H" <cch@netdoor.com> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:50 AM > > >Subject: [GAGEN] Fwd: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 > > > > >X-Authentication-Warning: ocelot.noc.ucla.edu: jfisher owned process > > >doing -bs > > > > >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:49:28 -0700 (PDT) > > > > >From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> > > > > >To: cch@netdoor.com > > > > >Subject: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > > > >X-Spam-Score: 0 > > > > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / > mimedefang) > > > > > > > > > >As a result of this development I am recommending to the EC that the > > > > >results of the GA Recall be invalidated. > > > > > > > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to > > >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on > this > > >list! > > > > 3570 Hildon Circle > > Chamblee, GA 30341 > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? If so, please write > > GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Genealogy research usually begins with our great-grandparents to preserve > the privacy of 'living persons'. If you encounter a person searching > their birth parents, the need to go to the area on the web that deals > with just this type of research. Please refer them to: > http://www.adoption.org ------- End of Original Message -------

Well, we've now heard from the SC. His response assumes no responsibility for the alleged actions of his two RCs. Because they are his appointees, rather than elected by the membership, they are technically accountable only to him. Conversely, since they are his appointments, he must bear some responsibility for the way they conducted themselves, right or wrong. I do not mean to say that he speaks for them. We are still waiting to hear from the RCs. I am particularly interested hearing a response to the allegation that Terri Hopper's emails actually were initiated from Margie Daniels' ISP. >Besides the "circumstantial" evidence that make the fraud clear when you >look at all the parts and actions, there is also the factual evidence of >IP addresses. Terri Hopper, a true live person never actually maintained >the counties which she adopted. Margie was the "ghost writer" for Terri, >and assumed her identity when sending emails to the gagen-l. Little did >Margie know that the free email service she was using includes the >originating IP address, which is Margie's ISP, RoadRunner, and which is >not available in the city that Terri actually lives. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

Ed, I do not believe that you are being moderated. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "ed gordon" <edeye1@hotmail.com> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 10:25:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The GaGen List > Well I am being moderated as Tim just sent me a notice yesterday. > > ED GORDON > CCHS > Clay County GaGenWeb > Early County AHGP > Miller County GaGenWeb > Miller County AHGP > Seminole County GaGenWeb > Ed and Kim's Connection's > > From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> > Reply-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The GaGen List > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:57:39 -0500 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.41]) by > mc9-f27.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Tue, > 29 Apr > 2003 22:03:41 -0700 Received: (from slist@localhost)by > lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id > h3U4vQ1E003885;Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:57:26 -0600 X-Message-Info: vAu4ZEtdRigLaEiTQQBlDPU44G8LMD9u > Resent-Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 22:57:26 -0600 > X-Original-Sender: cch@netdoor.com Tue Apr 29 22:57:25 2003 > Message-Id: <5.2.1.1.0.20030429235710.033eb810@netdoor.com> > X-Sender: cch@netdoor.com > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.1 > Old-To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > In-Reply-To: <002501c30ed2$a2df73a0$0000a398@Pavil2> > References: <001a01c30ec6$f41dc110$c700a8c0@soffemartin.com> > Resent-Message-ID: <H-NRB.A.R8.2e1r-@lists5.rootsweb.com> > Resent-From: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/5209 > X-Loop: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: GAGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > Return-Path: GAGEN-L-request@rootsweb.com > X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Apr 2003 05:03:41.0260 (UTC) > FILETIME=[DE0B20C0:01C30ED5] > > Am I no longer moderated? > > Carol > > At 11:40 PM 4/29/2003, you wrote: > >To the best of my knowledge, there is no one currently on a moderated > >status > >on the list. Tim has provided me with the password for the list and has, > >essentially, appointed me moderator for the time-being. > > > >For the duration of this appointment, I can assure you that *NO ONE* will > >be > >placed on a moderated status because of their opinions or because what they > >have to say differs from the positions taken by those in a position to > >moderate. Of course, the regular rules of decorum (including not flaming > >and the prohibition of the use of vulgar language) must be followed. But, > >please rest assured that you will NOT be placed on a moderated status > >because *I* disagree with your opinions (of course, if you say I am ugly > >and > >my wife dresses me funny, well, then, you might find yourself moderated > >without regard to the fact that you have stated a truth that I agree with > ><maniacal grin>). > > > >So, within reason, let's chat. > > > >Before we have any further discussion of the recent round of accusations, I > >would like for the accused to have the opportunity to make their statements > >and then we can decide how exactly to proceed. I take these allegations > >very seriously and I share in the concerns that have been expressed to me > >privately and those set forth on the list. However, part of being > >above-board and even-handed requires that we hear (read!) both sides. > > > >Thank you, > >Richard > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.473 / Virus Database: 271 - Release Date: 4/17/2003 > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it > on this list! > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it > on this list! ------- End of Original Message -------

To the best of my knowledge, information and belief, NO ONE is moderated. Richard ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 23:57:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [GAGEN] The GaGen List > Am I no longer moderated? > > Carol > > At 11:40 PM 4/29/2003, you wrote: > >To the best of my knowledge, there is no one currently on a moderated status > >on the list. Tim has provided me with the password for the list and has, > >essentially, appointed me moderator for the time-being. > > > >For the duration of this appointment, I can assure you that *NO ONE* will be > >placed on a moderated status because of their opinions or because what they > >have to say differs from the positions taken by those in a position to > >moderate. Of course, the regular rules of decorum (including not flaming > >and the prohibition of the use of vulgar language) must be followed. But, > >please rest assured that you will NOT be placed on a moderated status > >because *I* disagree with your opinions (of course, if you say I am ugly and > >my wife dresses me funny, well, then, you might find yourself moderated > >without regard to the fact that you have stated a truth that I agree with > ><maniacal grin>). > > > >So, within reason, let's chat. > > > >Before we have any further discussion of the recent round of accusations, I > >would like for the accused to have the opportunity to make their statements > >and then we can decide how exactly to proceed. I take these allegations > >very seriously and I share in the concerns that have been expressed to me > >privately and those set forth on the list. However, part of being > >above-board and even-handed requires that we hear (read!) both sides. > > > >Thank you, > >Richard > > > > > > > > > >--- > >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >Version: 6.0.473 / Virus Database: 271 - Release Date: 4/17/2003 > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it > on this list! ------- End of Original Message -------

In a message dated 4/30/03 5:33:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, tstowell@chattanooga.net writes: > There are no phantom county coordinators to my knowledge in GAGenWeb. I am sorry Tim, but I just don't believe that. I think you would have had to know. Donna

Here's a very important note about the direction of the National Project.... read the note below and then express yourself to OUR representatives which I have listed below. If you have counties in other regions, then go to http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswho.html to obtain the name of your representative. I agree with the writer of this note that a major decision like this should not be done so fast, and should not be just limited to a certain few. Note: you can also review the Archives of BOARD-L for more details. State Coordinator Representative Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net County Coordinator Representative Jimmy Epperson eppy@ticnet.com (The 2nd County Coordinator Representative is being selected by the current vote. Please VOTE!) >Forwarded with permission from North Carolina CC list..... Note from Linda Davenport: >Today Bill Oliver posted a motion on Board-L that can effect the entire >Project. > >Motion: "I move that the NC, subscribe all the SCs and ASCs of the >USGenWeb Project and the AB members, to a private email >list, for the purpose of discussing and deciding the future >of the Project. > >The one item on the agenda to be - whether to continue in >the present form, a revised form, or disband the National >Organization. > >Further, that the discussion and decisions be limited to two >weeks, at which time that decision be put to a vote of the >eligible voters of the Project. > >Further, that the EC be instructed to prepare for the said >referendum" >---- >Although Bill does say that the decision shall be put to the vote of the >members - I am strongly opposed to this motion. Something of this >magnitude should not be decided by the AB and SC/ASCs and certainly not in >private. I am a CC of this Project and I feel that the CCs have the right >to some say so in this decision and well before it comes to a Yes/No vote >on a decision made in private. > >There has long been an underground movement to have the Project return to >its beginnings with only a web master in charge of the National site and >each SC in complete control of their State. >The recent situation with the states of GA and NC point up the need for a >National Organization - although perhaps a bit different than what we >have. But none-the-less this is NOT something that should be decided by a >tiny percentage of this Project. >I strongly urge you to not only let your own SC know your thoughts on this >but to also write to your AB Representative. If you don't know who they >you can find out at: http://www.usgenweb.org/about/whoswho.html > >Linda Haas Davenport >homepage: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~haas >MarionCoAR: http://www.rootsweb.com/~armarion/ >TulsaCoOK: http://www.rootsweb.com/~oktulsa2 >MuskogeeCoOk: http://www.rootsweb.com/~okmuskog >SurnameLists: H.A.A.S/H.A.S.S. L.E.W.A.L.L.E.N Virginia Crilley

At 12:49 PM 4/29/2003 -0400, you wrote: > I did not seek the RC job and somewhat reluctantly took the position > after Carla resigned. That is a most interesting revelation, since there were several others who really wanted the job and attempted to apply, but were not allowed to. >The vote basically failed due to a lack of interest not because there wasn't >enough votes to either remove Tim or conversely issue a massive vote of >confidence on his behalf. I absolutely agree that the SC cannot possibly assume from the vote that he has the support of the membership. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carol C-H" <cch@netdoor.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:50 AM >Subject: [GAGEN] Fwd: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > > > > > >X-Sieve: CMU Sieve 2.2 > > >X-Authentication-Warning: ocelot.noc.ucla.edu: jfisher owned process >doing -bs > > >Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 08:49:28 -0700 (PDT) > > >From: "FISHER,JOY R" <jfisher@ucla.edu> > > >To: cch@netdoor.com > > >Subject: Re: Voter Fraud and Deceit in GAGenWeb > > >X-Spam-Score: 0 > > >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.31 (www . roaringpenguin . com / mimedefang) > > > > > >As a result of this development I am recommending to the EC that the > > >results of the GA Recall be invalidated. > > > > Carol C-H <cch@netdoor.com> http://www2.netdoor.com/~cch/ > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to >address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Have you added something signifigant to your website? Advertise it on this >list! 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341