Hi ya'll, I've been going through checking my links and I need assistance with "page not found" due to attempting to locate a PDF file. On http://www.rootsweb.com/~gamuscog/ftbenn.htm there is a section that says: "Click for Ft. Benning Map This map is large so it may load slowly." This file is run through Adobe because of being a pdf file. Once upon a time it would open slowly, now page not found. Has anyone encountered this type problem and how did you solve it? Thanks, kemis

Congratulations Christine. Bill Clody Walker County CC NWGA RC > Hi Everyone, > I am the cc for Calhoun county, Georgia. We had an unexpected C-section with the birth of our son. I will be out of > commission for a short time for recovery. > > thanks > Christine Martin

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How wonderful...we are very happy for you and your husband and glad that your doing fine...Gloria and John Holback.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Martin" <christinesoffemartin@hotmail.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: [GAGEN] New Addition > Hi Everyone, > I am the cc for Calhoun county, Georgia. Just to let you all know that I > just got home today from the hospital. I have been there since Monday > night. > > We had an unexpected C-section with the birth of our son. I will be out of > commission for a short time for recovery. > > Please be patient if I do not respond to emails right away. > > thanks > Christine Martin > > www.rootsweb.com/~gacalhou > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html >

Congratulations Christine on the birth of your new son! And do take the time to take it easy and recover, because before you know it, you'll be chasing that little guy all over the place. <grin> Jan Cortez Banks County ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Martin" > Hi Everyone, > I am the cc for Calhoun county, Georgia. Just to let you all know that I > just got home today from the hospital. I have been there since Monday > night. > > We had an unexpected C-section with the birth of our son. I will be out of > commission for a short time for recovery. > > Please be patient if I do not respond to emails right away. > > thanks > Christine Martin > > www.rootsweb.com/~gacalhou > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights??? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > >

Hi Everyone, I am the cc for Calhoun county, Georgia. Just to let you all know that I just got home today from the hospital. I have been there since Monday night. We had an unexpected C-section with the birth of our son. I will be out of commission for a short time for recovery. Please be patient if I do not respond to emails right away. thanks Christine Martin www.rootsweb.com/~gacalhou _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

Suzanne, we welcomed you privately but just in case your already on the list a big Hello and Welcome from John and Gloria Holback ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crilley" <varcsix@hot.rr.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:19 PM Subject: [GAGEN] Jasper County change > After many years of work, Scott Warren is giving up Jasper County. He's > been on our "team" for as long as I can remember, and I really hated to > lose him from West Central Region. He is keeping his other counties though, > so he'll still be a big part of GAGenWeb. > > We're delighted that Suzanne Forte , who has worked closely with him over > the years, is taking on the challenge of being CC for Jasper. > > If you've done any research in Jasper county, I know you've seen her many > contributions and know what a delight she is to work with. > > I've told her that this list is very helpful to all first time CCs....and I > hope you neighboring county folk will especially extend a warm welcome to > her. I often think that those who are newest at being a CC, can be the > most helpful because you just went through it!! > > The URL for Jasper is not changing. > > I don't think Tim has had a chance to add her name to this list, so please > welcome her privately. > > Sforte3@cs.com > > > Virginia Crilley > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >

After many years of work, Scott Warren is giving up Jasper County. He's been on our "team" for as long as I can remember, and I really hated to lose him from West Central Region. He is keeping his other counties though, so he'll still be a big part of GAGenWeb. We're delighted that Suzanne Forte , who has worked closely with him over the years, is taking on the challenge of being CC for Jasper. If you've done any research in Jasper county, I know you've seen her many contributions and know what a delight she is to work with. I've told her that this list is very helpful to all first time CCs....and I hope you neighboring county folk will especially extend a warm welcome to her. I often think that those who are newest at being a CC, can be the most helpful because you just went through it!! The URL for Jasper is not changing. I don't think Tim has had a chance to add her name to this list, so please welcome her privately. Sforte3@cs.com Virginia Crilley

Tim, we are praying for you both...John and Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 4:13 AM Subject: [GAGEN] the ER > Just wanted you folks to know - I'm still alive. > > I had to take my wife to the ER on Thursday - spent 7 long hours there. > Came home exhausted and hit the bed. Of course going to bed so early I > awoke at midnight and am trying to wade through nearly 400 emails. > > I hope to be back in the loop sometime tomorrow - unless my wife's > situation changes. > > Tim > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm >

Sorry to hear about your wife. Hope she is feeling better. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 04:13 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >Just wanted you folks to know - I'm still alive. > >I had to take my wife to the ER on Thursday - spent 7 long hours there. >Came home exhausted and hit the bed. Of course going to bed so early I >awoke at midnight and am trying to wade through nearly 400 emails. > >I hope to be back in the loop sometime tomorrow - unless my wife's >situation changes. > >Tim > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? >Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

The deadline of May 19 for suggestions concerned *only* the Bill of Rights portion. Yes, the committee is listening. Jeff's comments are always well-considered. Vivian Price Saffold Meriwether County At 01:08 AM 5/23/2003 -0400, you wrote: >sorry but believe the time for guidelines submissions ended the >21st...Gloria >----- Original Message ----- >From: <TooFem@aol.com> >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:35 AM >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Procedure suggestion for Guidelines committee > > > > Jeff, > > > > I love your idea. I hope the committee is listening! > > > > <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">MK Harrison</A> > > <A HREF="http://www.gabar.org/directory.asp">State Bar of Georgia >Directory</A> > > <A >HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCo >de=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> > > <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> > > <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaworth/">Worth County, GA</A> > > I love cats because I love my home and after a while they become its >visible > > soul. - Jean Cocteau > > > > Copyright © 2003 > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. 3570 Hildon Circle Chamblee, GA 30341

I hope your wife is better and continues to improve... Please keep us posted... Barbara seawolf@selfroots.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:13 AM Subject: [GAGEN] the ER > Just wanted you folks to know - I'm still alive. > > I had to take my wife to the ER on Thursday - spent 7 long hours there. > Came home exhausted and hit the bed. Of course going to bed so early I > awoke at midnight and am trying to wade through nearly 400 emails. > > I hope to be back in the loop sometime tomorrow - unless my wife's > situation changes. > > Tim > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Did your county's courthouse ever meet with a disaster?? > Check out GAGenWeb's List and Research Tips at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/courthouses.htm >

Just wanted you folks to know - I'm still alive. I had to take my wife to the ER on Thursday - spent 7 long hours there. Came home exhausted and hit the bed. Of course going to bed so early I awoke at midnight and am trying to wade through nearly 400 emails. I hope to be back in the loop sometime tomorrow - unless my wife's situation changes. Tim

excuse me...didn't see a date and thought it was either today or yesterday...Gloria... ----- Original Message ----- From: <MFLP@aol.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Procedure suggestion for Guidelines committee > In a message dated 5/23/03 1:07:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, > john2936@comcast.net writes: > > << sorry but believe the time for guidelines submissions ended the > 21st...Gloria >> > > Jeff's suggestion was dated the 19th. > > Donna > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: > <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com> >

In a message dated 5/23/03 1:07:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, john2936@comcast.net writes: << sorry but believe the time for guidelines submissions ended the 21st...Gloria >> Jeff's suggestion was dated the 19th. Donna

sorry but believe the time for guidelines submissions ended the 21st...Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: <TooFem@aol.com> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 12:35 AM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Procedure suggestion for Guidelines committee > Jeff, > > I love your idea. I hope the committee is listening! > > <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">MK Harrison</A> > <A HREF="http://www.gabar.org/directory.asp">State Bar of Georgia Directory</A> > <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCo de=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> > <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> > <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaworth/">Worth County, GA</A> > I love cats because I love my home and after a while they become its visible > soul. - Jean Cocteau > > Copyright © 2003 > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com >

Jeff, I love your idea. I hope the committee is listening! <A HREF="http://mkharrison.com">MK Harrison</A> <A HREF="http://www.gabar.org/directory.asp">State Bar of Georgia Directory</A> <A HREF="http://www.ancestry.com/landing/homelandsweeps2/landing2.html?SourceCode=3913&iid=3913%3A+Sweepstakes+1">Ancestry.com</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gabarrow/">Barrow County, GA</A> <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaworth/">Worth County, GA</A> I love cats because I love my home and after a while they become its visible soul. - Jean Cocteau Copyright © 2003

The records that I suggest folks place online would be those which are prior to 1900....the ones where we can't easily find in an obit or by a death or birth certificate...and the records which do not pertain to anyone of this generation but about three generations back...and don't think there would be many of those who would speak out against being mentioned online and if they did...I am running the other way as fast as I can. <smile> So I can easily see why some records could cause problems just as I was against posting recent obituaries on some mail list that I host (non USGenWeb/GAGenWeb mail list). When I post record it is about someone who is deceased and if their family have provided information that they do not mind being on the WWW then I might include that but in most cases (speaking from the view point of a former professional genealogist) the records we need to place online are the "old" records....Going to the meaning of genealogy...and using Webster's Ninth Collegiate Dictionary: Ancestor-one from whom a person is descended and who is usually more remote than in the line of descent than a grandparent...since I am sixty years old that would go back to my great grandparents...who would have been dead by the 1940s...and if it were a person in their 70s or 80s doing the research then it would go back to their great grandparents putting it back to the 1850s-1930s.....and for those who are new to genealogy and whose great grandparents were born circa 1880s turn of the century...you most likely know who they were and want to know more about who the earlier generation was so that pretty much leaves out those after say the 1950s...unless they were blessed with a very long life...also as a former professional genealogist there were times when I crossed the line into professional investigator/detective research which is a grey area and one that I did not tred on lightly...it was very risky when researching living people and also reporting any findings...but I did manage to help find one man's natural father's military folder and was also able to help him find his fathers merchant marine and US Coast Guard Folders which had actual photographs of a father whom he had never seen who was killed during the second world war...so that was a joy...and I waved all commissions and offered my time and all as a gift...as I did in many other research projects that I took on..I always gave at least 150%...to my clients...but I made some lifelong friends during the process....and in one case found a distant cousin...who was my client..you never know where you research will take you...and don't ever mistreat anyone as you might be mistreating your own cousins...just a suggestion to those of you who are too fast to label folks who have a differing view as an enemy...not the case at all.. So getting back to what you said...about the reasons we must first obtain permission to use any film or fiche we must first contact the folks at the LDS main library...The address is: Kathy Warburton Copyright Coordinator Family and Church History Department 50 East North Temple Street Floor 5 Salt Lake City, Utah 84150

Mary Kathryn, thanks for the clarification...Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Holback" <john2936@comcast.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:40 PM Subject: [GAGEN] LDS Copyright issues...and how to obtain permission..... > Mary Kathryn, thanks for all the help but I decided to talk with the Copy > Coordinator in Salt Lake City, Utah and she advised me about the agreement > that LDS has made each time they copy/film records and that in order for any > of us to be able to index that or whatever we must first contact the LDS > Copyright Coordinator so she can check their agreement and see if it states > the material can not be indexed or such..if it is allowed and there is no > restriction then we would be allowed to use the material for non profit use > on our pages. As she stated the Church is not here to keep us from having > access or allowing others to have access to records but they must follow the > agreements that they must honor...but it was pleasant to learn that we can > write and request that the Copyright Coordinator check the film/fiche and > see if the agreement that was signed allows others to index and use the > material for non profit use...So that is from the main library in Utah...and > there is a page where there is a statement/instructions/information which > tells anyone to contact the LDS Copyright Coordinator in the event there is > something that anyone wants to use other than for their own personal > use...sorry but could not find the page which she told me about at the LDS > site so will wait till she returns my second call to her...requesting the > url for that statement/instructions...but a letter to her is the way to see > if one can use the materials from fiche and film. So all is not lost and I > don't have to tell everyone to go to the National Archives for Census Films > and to the State Archives for County and State Records...And I am writing a > letter to her to request permission to use the abstracted cemetery records > for some Georgia Counties.. .....Now I feel better in telling folks to use > the LDS facilities...as they have always been so wonderful to go to and the > volunteers are very helpful...and will show you how to find the county films > on the locality or subject index or the Library Catalog Index...and they > will also help you to place your order for the film loan and then when it > comes in they will show you how to use their readers/copiers...and they are > a great bunch of people to meet...many of my best friends work in LDS > libraries...and are great folks...if they don't know the questions...they > will find it out for you...Gloria > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy@attglobal.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:10 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Re: Commercial use of the County sites... > > > > Gloria - > > > > I don't believe it applies to things like the census (which after all, are > > available from NARA, online, etc.), as the LDS films aren't your only > > source. Potentially, you could get that data from a number of sources, and > > I believe that once NARA releases that information it is generally > > considered in the public domain (hence the 72-year release restriction). > > > > You are able to use the LDS microfilms for personal research purposes and > > even for clients (you, after all, are doing their personal research for > > them). Using the FHL's census or other records in the pursuit of data > > concerning your own or a client's records (and citing them as such) is not > > what I'm talking about here. > > > > What I'm talking about ordering a film and indexing whole sets of records > > and publishing them on our GenWeb sites. For the most part, I don't think > > the Family History Dept. has a problem with this. They simply ask that you > > check with them to verify that they don't have any agreements with the > > donor of the data (which are unknown to you as the user of the microfilm) > > that might restrict your ability to do this (or their ability to allow it > > under these legal agreements). Think about it... The LDS Church has gotten > > permission to film whole sets of records from different churches, > > individuals, public entities, etc. These are each individual agreements, > > and if nothing else, it is a courtesy that we make sure we aren't > violating > > any of those agreements they have with the donors of the records. > > > > It was something I was not made aware of until very recently, and I doubt > > it was much of an issue up til now with the advent of the Internet and > > genealogy online. One example that might make this a little clearer is > that > > I am currently researching my husband's lines in some Polish Catholic > > Church records which actually contain marriage indexes up until 1945! Some > > of these individuals are still living, and I doubt that should I decide at > > some point to index them for WorldGenWeb that they would like having their > > personal information indexed and plastered all over the internet. Just a > > guess.... It could also cause friction between the FHD and the Catholic > > Church should something of this nature happen, which would surely affect > > their ability to microfilm such record sets in the future. Again, it might > > not even BE a problem, but the smart thing to do would be to write to the > > FHD Copyright Office and check (I did this via email and had no > problem...). > > > > I hope this makes sense. Please don't think the LDS Church's Family > History > > Dept. is being miserly here. For goodness sake, they spend their member's > > donated money for projects like these to help all of us! > > > > Mary Kathryn Kozy > > Mitchell Co., GAGenWeb CC > > > > At 03:39 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >Does that include Federal Census Records? If so then people should not be > > >using the LDS to obtain film but should be told about this and that way > not > > >be violating rules of the LDS....if these are public records such as > census > > >and such why do we then get into trouble because we choose to go to the > LDS > > >versus a local library or to order direct from the nat archives...I have > > >always loved working with the folks at the LDS libraries and just would > go > > >there to do film reading and abstracting records...when any of the public > > >records were mentioned in a report to a client or such the the Church was > > >always given complete credit for copying the materials and such...as > > >directed in the "how to cite sources" that the Nat. Genea. > Soc...suggested > > >to be used...and if I posted something in a book or online I also cited > > >sources...I never realized that they forbid us to use such as the census > > >records...only books and materials which were actually copyrighted by an > > >author/compiler or such...but if I am wrong in telling others please > correct > > >me...and I will not ever again suggest anyone use the LDS church for > > >transcriptions/abstractions but suggest they order the film from another > > >source. Thank You, God Bless, Gloria > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy@attglobal.net> > > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:13 PM > > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Re: Commercial use of the County sites... > > > > > > > > > > Gloria - > > > > > > > > I'll just throw this out once again for those who may have joined the > > > > project after the last time I posted.... > > > > > > > > Data contained in LDS microfilms is done through a copyright agreement > > >with > > > > the LDS Church's Family History Dept. and the entity that holds the > > > > originals. These are NOT considered in the "public domain" as such. In > > > > order to extract, abstract, index, etc. any of these records (even if > they > > > > are just court records from your county, marriages, wills, etc.), you > must > > > > first get permission from the LDS Family History Dept.'s Copyright > Office. > > > > They are generally more than willing to give it, but it is a necessary > > >step > > > > to help prevent the FHL from legal problems should a particular entity > not > > > > give permission for further indexing or some such thing that we as > patrons > > > > reading the film (for personal research reasons) are not aware of. The > > >LAST > > > > thing any of would want to do is jeopardize the FHL's reputation or > > > > standing amongst those whose good graces we all stand in need of > (i.e., > > > > county court houses and other repositories/donors of these original > > > > records) or put them in any legal trouble. > > > > > > > > Here is the information I received from Kathy Warburton of the Family > > > > History Dept.'s Copyright Office several months back: > > > > > > > > <start> > > > > Before I respond to your request, I must make you aware of some > policies > > >of > > > > the Family and Church History Department concerning appropriate uses > of > > > > materials in our collection. Due to the increasing publication of > these > > > > materials on the Internet, we are having to become more strict in > > >enforcing > > > > these policies to keep the department from being in violation of our > > > > contractual agreements with the donors of the records in our > collection. > > > > > > > > Records held in the collection of the Family History Library and > Family > > > > History Centers are intended for non-commercial personal family > history > > > > research only. Use of the records beyond the scope of non-commercial > > > > personal family history research may violate contractual agreements > with > > > > the records custodians and/or copyright laws. > > > > > > > > In order to be sure that we are in compliance with contractual > obligations > > > > and copyright laws, the following uses of the records in our > collection > > >are > > > > not permitted: > > > > > > > > 1. Creating indexes or extracts of multiple entries or of entire > record > > >sets, > > > > 2. Copying or reproduction of multiple pages (beyond the limits of > "fair > > > > use.") > > > > > > > > For certain materials for which the Genealogical Society of Utah or > the > > > > Family History Department possesses unrestricted rights of use and > > > > publication, an officer of the Society may approve indexing projects > in > > > > exchange for unrestricted rights to use and publish the resulting > indexes. > > > > To obtain such approval, please provide full details in writing, > including > > > > your name and address, the author and title of the materials to be > indexes > > > > along with all film numbers proposed to be indexed and a full > description > > > > lf the purpose of the index and any proposed publication (including > > > > publication to the Internet) to: > > > > > > > > President, The Genealogical Society of Utah > > > > 50 East North Temple Street, 5th Floor > > > > Salt Lake City UT 84150 > > > > > > > > Please keep this policy in mind before beginning any indexing or > > >extraction > > > > projects involving microfilms from our collection or before posting > such > > > > projects that you may have already completed. A notice of this policy > has > > > > been sent to all family history centers and should now be posted in > the > > > > centers. We would appreciate your cooperation in ensuring that the > > > > Department is able to comply with its contractual agreements with the > > > > donors of these materials. > > > > > > > > I wish you every success in your family history efforts. If you have > any > > > > questions, please contact me. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Kathy Warburton > > > > Copyright Coordinator > > > > Family and Church History Department > > > > The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints > > > > Phone: 801-240-2049 > > > > Fax: 801-240-2494 > > > > Email: fhd-copyright@ldschurch.org > > > > <end> > > > > > > > > I hope this clears up any misconceptions or confusion any of ya'll > have > > > > about their policies. If not, feel free to contact Ms. Warburton! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Mary Kathryn Kozy > > > > mkozy@attglobal.net > > > > Mitchell Co., GAGenWeb CC > > > > > > > > At 07:52 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > > > >If each CC ordered one film per month...about $3.60....from a local > LDS > > > > >Church/FHL and transcribed the indexes for Wills, Marriages, Warranty > > >Deeds, > > > > >Warrantor and Warrantee indexes they would in a years time have a > > >multitude > > > > >of material on their site that would allow the visitors to our pages > find > > > > >their ancestors name and then the person could order a copy of that > deed, > > > > >will, marriage record. No professional would be needed to search > those > > > > >records (and I worked as a professional genealogist for some years). > No > > > > >search fee would be charged for looking up records by clerks..as the > > >index > > > > >would give each researcher what they needed to order a copy of those > > > > >records. There is no need to abstract or transcribe the records. If > just > > > > >the indexes were done that would be a wonderful gift to the genealogy > > > > >community. Now why haven't I done that? Well when I first adopted GA > > > > >counties I was also preparing and researching to write a book which > grew > > > > >into what could now be two books about the Lumbee Indian Tribe and > all of > > > > >the families. For over ten years I ordered "all" of the microfilmed > > >public > > > > >records for Robeson County, NC and also records from Bladen, Sampson, > > > > >Lenoir, Guilford, Cumberland, and many other NC Counties, and then > went > > >up > > > > >into VA and ordered VA filmed records and then made several trips to > the > > > > >areas to search in the courthouses and the State Archives to find > more > > >that > > > > >might have missed being filmed. So that took a primary until about > eight > > > > >months ago when I felt I had gone as far with the research as I would > go > > >in > > > > >my lifetime. Will leave more for others to pick up where I left off. > But > > > > >now I have started working on the GA Counties that I host...With Ben > Hill > > > > >the records have not been filmed as of yet...but I will make a trip > up > > >there > > > > >within this year to copy those indexes...Luckily Irwin County records > > >have > > > > >been microfilmed and are available..and a cousin has already done a > lot > > >of > > > > >those transcriptions which he will be providing and what he doesn't > > >provide > > > > >I will do.. The Ben Hill County Newspapers have all been microfilmed > and > > >I > > > > >plan soon to order my first of many films and those I will purchase > at > > >about > > > > >$24- $28.00 per film..forget correct amount...and I do have a film > reader > > > > >and a fiche reader at home...my files are full of copies of original > > > > >documents from VA and NC records but very few of GA records and that > is > > > > >because when I began hosting the GA Counties I was in the middle of > > >another > > > > >labor of love which is now completed and my time and attention will > be on > > > > >the GA sites..but any of us can take the time to place the indexes > online > > > > >and then no one will need to have a professional go into those > records. > > >What > > > > >I propose we do will take years to accomplish and there is an > occasional > > > > >need for a professional and they get in touch with us or a person > will > > > > >contact us and request the name of a professional in which ever case > I > > >will > > > > >be happy to provide that person with the name of someone who can help > but > > >as > > > > >for the County Pages I believe with all my heart that they are not > for > > > > >commercial use...a special page with commercial options in > > >research...that > > > > >is fine...but allow the viewer the option of going there is that is > what > > > > >they want and not misrepresenting links and such by just sending them > > >there. > > > > >As someone who did make money at one time from professional genealogy > I > > > > >never took a GA commission...but only in NC, PA, and SC and > WV....just my > > > > >principals and what I feel was the right thing to do...with GA > research I > > > > >did it for free in all cases....a lot of our visitors are elderly > folks > > >with > > > > >limited incomes or disabled people and those who have pcs but can't > > >afford > > > > >the extras, and all are unable to travel... those are the ones who > > >benefit > > > > >the most from our project..Can we be proud of our selves if we send > them > > >to > > > > >a commercial site thinking they are going to find real records that > are > > >free > > > > >of charge only to find they have arrived at a paying site that they > don't > > > > >have the money to subscribe to...sorry I can't do that...But that is > just > > >my > > > > >opinion....but free is what the project is all about and free is how > it > > > > >should remain...Gloria..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online > information. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? 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Mary Kathryn, thanks for all the help but I decided to talk with the Copy Coordinator in Salt Lake City, Utah and she advised me about the agreement that LDS has made each time they copy/film records and that in order for any of us to be able to index that or whatever we must first contact the LDS Copyright Coordinator so she can check their agreement and see if it states the material can not be indexed or such..if it is allowed and there is no restriction then we would be allowed to use the material for non profit use on our pages. As she stated the Church is not here to keep us from having access or allowing others to have access to records but they must follow the agreements that they must honor...but it was pleasant to learn that we can write and request that the Copyright Coordinator check the film/fiche and see if the agreement that was signed allows others to index and use the material for non profit use...So that is from the main library in Utah...and there is a page where there is a statement/instructions/information which tells anyone to contact the LDS Copyright Coordinator in the event there is something that anyone wants to use other than for their own personal use...sorry but could not find the page which she told me about at the LDS site so will wait till she returns my second call to her...requesting the url for that statement/instructions...but a letter to her is the way to see if one can use the materials from fiche and film. So all is not lost and I don't have to tell everyone to go to the National Archives for Census Films and to the State Archives for County and State Records...And I am writing a letter to her to request permission to use the abstracted cemetery records for some Georgia Counties.. .....Now I feel better in telling folks to use the LDS facilities...as they have always been so wonderful to go to and the volunteers are very helpful...and will show you how to find the county films on the locality or subject index or the Library Catalog Index...and they will also help you to place your order for the film loan and then when it comes in they will show you how to use their readers/copiers...and they are a great bunch of people to meet...many of my best friends work in LDS libraries...and are great folks...if they don't know the questions...they will find it out for you...Gloria ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy@attglobal.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Re: Commercial use of the County sites... > Gloria - > > I don't believe it applies to things like the census (which after all, are > available from NARA, online, etc.), as the LDS films aren't your only > source. Potentially, you could get that data from a number of sources, and > I believe that once NARA releases that information it is generally > considered in the public domain (hence the 72-year release restriction). > > You are able to use the LDS microfilms for personal research purposes and > even for clients (you, after all, are doing their personal research for > them). Using the FHL's census or other records in the pursuit of data > concerning your own or a client's records (and citing them as such) is not > what I'm talking about here. > > What I'm talking about ordering a film and indexing whole sets of records > and publishing them on our GenWeb sites. For the most part, I don't think > the Family History Dept. has a problem with this. They simply ask that you > check with them to verify that they don't have any agreements with the > donor of the data (which are unknown to you as the user of the microfilm) > that might restrict your ability to do this (or their ability to allow it > under these legal agreements). Think about it... The LDS Church has gotten > permission to film whole sets of records from different churches, > individuals, public entities, etc. These are each individual agreements, > and if nothing else, it is a courtesy that we make sure we aren't violating > any of those agreements they have with the donors of the records. > > It was something I was not made aware of until very recently, and I doubt > it was much of an issue up til now with the advent of the Internet and > genealogy online. One example that might make this a little clearer is that > I am currently researching my husband's lines in some Polish Catholic > Church records which actually contain marriage indexes up until 1945! Some > of these individuals are still living, and I doubt that should I decide at > some point to index them for WorldGenWeb that they would like having their > personal information indexed and plastered all over the internet. Just a > guess.... It could also cause friction between the FHD and the Catholic > Church should something of this nature happen, which would surely affect > their ability to microfilm such record sets in the future. Again, it might > not even BE a problem, but the smart thing to do would be to write to the > FHD Copyright Office and check (I did this via email and had no problem...). > > I hope this makes sense. Please don't think the LDS Church's Family History > Dept. is being miserly here. For goodness sake, they spend their member's > donated money for projects like these to help all of us! > > Mary Kathryn Kozy > Mitchell Co., GAGenWeb CC > > At 03:39 PM 5/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >Does that include Federal Census Records? If so then people should not be > >using the LDS to obtain film but should be told about this and that way not > >be violating rules of the LDS....if these are public records such as census > >and such why do we then get into trouble because we choose to go to the LDS > >versus a local library or to order direct from the nat archives...I have > >always loved working with the folks at the LDS libraries and just would go > >there to do film reading and abstracting records...when any of the public > >records were mentioned in a report to a client or such the the Church was > >always given complete credit for copying the materials and such...as > >directed in the "how to cite sources" that the Nat. Genea. Soc...suggested > >to be used...and if I posted something in a book or online I also cited > >sources...I never realized that they forbid us to use such as the census > >records...only books and materials which were actually copyrighted by an > >author/compiler or such...but if I am wrong in telling others please correct > >me...and I will not ever again suggest anyone use the LDS church for > >transcriptions/abstractions but suggest they order the film from another > >source. Thank You, God Bless, Gloria > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mary Kathryn Kozy" <mkozy@attglobal.net> > >To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > >Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2003 3:13 PM > >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] Re: Commercial use of the County sites... > > > > > > > Gloria - > > > > > > I'll just throw this out once again for those who may have joined the > > > project after the last time I posted.... > > > > > > Data contained in LDS microfilms is done through a copyright agreement > >with > > > the LDS Church's Family History Dept. and the entity that holds the > > > originals. These are NOT considered in the "public domain" as such. In > > > order to extract, abstract, index, etc. any of these records (even if they > > > are just court records from your county, marriages, wills, etc.), you must > > > first get permission from the LDS Family History Dept.'s Copyright Office. > > > They are generally more than willing to give it, but it is a necessary > >step > > > to help prevent the FHL from legal problems should a particular entity not > > > give permission for further indexing or some such thing that we as patrons > > > reading the film (for personal research reasons) are not aware of. The > >LAST > > > thing any of would want to do is jeopardize the FHL's reputation or > > > standing amongst those whose good graces we all stand in need of (i.e., > > > county court houses and other repositories/donors of these original > > > records) or put them in any legal trouble. > > > > > > Here is the information I received from Kathy Warburton of the Family > > > History Dept.'s Copyright Office several months back: > > > > > > <start> > > > Before I respond to your request, I must make you aware of some policies > >of > > > the Family and Church History Department concerning appropriate uses of > > > materials in our collection. Due to the increasing publication of these > > > materials on the Internet, we are having to become more strict in > >enforcing > > > these policies to keep the department from being in violation of our > > > contractual agreements with the donors of the records in our collection. > > > > > > Records held in the collection of the Family History Library and Family > > > History Centers are intended for non-commercial personal family history > > > research only. Use of the records beyond the scope of non-commercial > > > personal family history research may violate contractual agreements with > > > the records custodians and/or copyright laws. > > > > > > In order to be sure that we are in compliance with contractual obligations > > > and copyright laws, the following uses of the records in our collection > >are > > > not permitted: > > > > > > 1. Creating indexes or extracts of multiple entries or of entire record > >sets, > > > 2. Copying or reproduction of multiple pages (beyond the limits of "fair > > > use.") > > > > > > For certain materials for which the Genealogical Society of Utah or the > > > Family History Department possesses unrestricted rights of use and > > > publication, an officer of the Society may approve indexing projects in > > > exchange for unrestricted rights to use and publish the resulting indexes. > > > To obtain such approval, please provide full details in writing, including > > > your name and address, the author and title of the materials to be indexes > > > along with all film numbers proposed to be indexed and a full description > > > lf the purpose of the index and any proposed publication (including > > > publication to the Internet) to: > > > > > > President, The Genealogical Society of Utah > > > 50 East North Temple Street, 5th Floor > > > Salt Lake City UT 84150 > > > > > > Please keep this policy in mind before beginning any indexing or > >extraction > > > projects involving microfilms from our collection or before posting such > > > projects that you may have already completed. A notice of this policy has > > > been sent to all family history centers and should now be posted in the > > > centers. We would appreciate your cooperation in ensuring that the > > > Department is able to comply with its contractual agreements with the > > > donors of these materials. > > > > > > I wish you every success in your family history efforts. If you have any > > > questions, please contact me. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > Kathy Warburton > > > Copyright Coordinator > > > Family and Church History Department > > > The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints > > > Phone: 801-240-2049 > > > Fax: 801-240-2494 > > > Email: fhd-copyright@ldschurch.org > > > <end> > > > > > > I hope this clears up any misconceptions or confusion any of ya'll have > > > about their policies. If not, feel free to contact Ms. Warburton! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Mary Kathryn Kozy > > > mkozy@attglobal.net > > > Mitchell Co., GAGenWeb CC > > > > > > At 07:52 PM 5/21/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > > > > > >If each CC ordered one film per month...about $3.60....from a local LDS > > > >Church/FHL and transcribed the indexes for Wills, Marriages, Warranty > >Deeds, > > > >Warrantor and Warrantee indexes they would in a years time have a > >multitude > > > >of material on their site that would allow the visitors to our pages find > > > >their ancestors name and then the person could order a copy of that deed, > > > >will, marriage record. No professional would be needed to search those > > > >records (and I worked as a professional genealogist for some years). No > > > >search fee would be charged for looking up records by clerks..as the > >index > > > >would give each researcher what they needed to order a copy of those > > > >records. There is no need to abstract or transcribe the records. If just > > > >the indexes were done that would be a wonderful gift to the genealogy > > > >community. Now why haven't I done that? Well when I first adopted GA > > > >counties I was also preparing and researching to write a book which grew > > > >into what could now be two books about the Lumbee Indian Tribe and all of > > > >the families. For over ten years I ordered "all" of the microfilmed > >public > > > >records for Robeson County, NC and also records from Bladen, Sampson, > > > >Lenoir, Guilford, Cumberland, and many other NC Counties, and then went > >up > > > >into VA and ordered VA filmed records and then made several trips to the > > > >areas to search in the courthouses and the State Archives to find more > >that > > > >might have missed being filmed. So that took a primary until about eight > > > >months ago when I felt I had gone as far with the research as I would go > >in > > > >my lifetime. Will leave more for others to pick up where I left off. But > > > >now I have started working on the GA Counties that I host...With Ben Hill > > > >the records have not been filmed as of yet...but I will make a trip up > >there > > > >within this year to copy those indexes...Luckily Irwin County records > >have > > > >been microfilmed and are available..and a cousin has already done a lot > >of > > > >those transcriptions which he will be providing and what he doesn't > >provide > > > >I will do.. The Ben Hill County Newspapers have all been microfilmed and > >I > > > >plan soon to order my first of many films and those I will purchase at > >about > > > >$24- $28.00 per film..forget correct amount...and I do have a film reader > > > >and a fiche reader at home...my files are full of copies of original > > > >documents from VA and NC records but very few of GA records and that is > > > >because when I began hosting the GA Counties I was in the middle of > >another > > > >labor of love which is now completed and my time and attention will be on > > > >the GA sites..but any of us can take the time to place the indexes online > > > >and then no one will need to have a professional go into those records. > >What > > > >I propose we do will take years to accomplish and there is an occasional > > > >need for a professional and they get in touch with us or a person will > > > >contact us and request the name of a professional in which ever case I > >will > > > >be happy to provide that person with the name of someone who can help but > >as > > > >for the County Pages I believe with all my heart that they are not for > > > >commercial use...a special page with commercial options in > >research...that > > > >is fine...but allow the viewer the option of going there is that is what > > > >they want and not misrepresenting links and such by just sending them > >there. > > > >As someone who did make money at one time from professional genealogy I > > > >never took a GA commission...but only in NC, PA, and SC and WV....just my > > > >principals and what I feel was the right thing to do...with GA research I > > > >did it for free in all cases....a lot of our visitors are elderly folks > >with > > > >limited incomes or disabled people and those who have pcs but can't > >afford > > > >the extras, and all are unable to travel... those are the ones who > >benefit > > > >the most from our project..Can we be proud of our selves if we send them > >to > > > >a commercial site thinking they are going to find real records that are > >free > > > >of charge only to find they have arrived at a paying site that they don't > > > >have the money to subscribe to...sorry I can't do that...But that is just > >my > > > >opinion....but free is what the project is all about and free is how it > > > >should remain...Gloria..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, online information. > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > > > Do you have a suggestion to include in our taglines? 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