Gaila, Is this what you are missing? The host? users.rootsweb.com Linda Barton -----Original Message----- From: Gaila and James Merrington [mailto:gaila@merrington.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 3:28 AM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] Trying to remember the correct address to ftp my pages to at rootsweb. Can anyone assist? My husband rebuilt the pc and I can find my password ( a miracle) but can't get WS_FTP to get to the correct address. Thanks Gaila ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links to the most popular Surname sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/

users.rootsweb.com ---------- Original Message ----------- From: "Gaila and James Merrington" <gaila@merrington.net> To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 17:28:19 +1000 Subject: [GAGEN] Trying to remember > the correct address to ftp my pages to at rootsweb. Can anyone > assist? My husband rebuilt the pc and I can find my password ( a > miracle) but can't get WS_FTP to get to the correct address. Thanks Gaila > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ ------- End of Original Message -------

Gaila, Try ... Host name: users.rootsweb.com user name: gahouston password: ? Arlene Woody Visit Bartow County Genweb at: http://www.gabartow.org or Peach County Genweb at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gapeach -----Original Message----- From: Gaila and James Merrington [mailto:gaila@merrington.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 3:28 AM To: GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GAGEN] Trying to remember the correct address to ftp my pages to at rootsweb. Can anyone assist? My husband rebuilt the pc and I can find my password ( a miracle) but can't get WS_FTP to get to the correct address. Thanks Gaila ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links to the most popular Surname sites: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/

Please review the county selection table at: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/table.htm to see if the address I show for you there is in fact the address that should be used for voting purposes. In theory the address I show there should agree with what you have on your website or vice versa. There are occasions where some of you want one address for folks to contact you at on the website but have a different address for personal and/or GAGen email. If that is the case, would you please clarify the same for me? The following counties have issues with this - so I'm asking that the CCs of these counties please contact me directly: Bleckley, Laurens Brantley Charlton, Wayne Cherokee, Spalding Crawford Cobb, Gilmer, Liberty, McIntosh Elbert Gordon Heard Jenkins Morgan, Gordon Pickens Pike Putnam Rabun Webster White Wilcox Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

Thanks to all who expressed sentiments on behalf of my wife and I. We're much better this week and have once again plowed into the mainstream of life. This note also is to let you know that CHAPTER XIII. - HOW THE PEOPLE TREATED THE DEMANDS OF THE MOTHER COUNTRY. of the Georgia History book I'm slowly adding is now online: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/gahistry.htm Tim

I will be out of pocket for about a week and not checking messages until Friday night June 6th. Hopefully GaGenWeb will survive a week without me and be even bigger and better when I get back. Bill Clody Walker County GA. CC Northwest GA RC

The RW server is down, but they are working on it. I was trying to upload and kep getting a login incorrect and thought it was me. <g> Jan

John, I thought Dusty Rhodes was a wrestler. . . lol kemis From: John Holback Donna, that is a great one <BG> And I do have Rhoades/Rhodes too in Georgia...so I can really enjoy that...as so many jokes are made about names like Rhoades....believe one man or woman online is Dusty Rhodes...thanks for sharing a bit of humor with us..I for one can use a bit of humor...thanks for brightening up the list., Gloria

The National USGenWeb 2003 Election is coming up...and we need all the GAGenWeb CCs to stay informed. You'll be getting more specific information next week. Ellen is asking for "temporary" volunteers to help out--- so please do volunteer if you are interested. Send your e-mail directly to Ellen Pack --- e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org +++++++++++++ Throughout the election, members can go to a new set of EC Webpages for information about the election, the nominees, final candidates, etc. There is also a FAQ that will hopefully answer any questions members might have. http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgwelections/nationals-index.htm ++++++++++++ From: Ellen Pack <e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org> To: USGenWeb-SE-L@rootsweb.com Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.0.20030525185724.04ba50b8@mail.speakeasy.net> Subject: [USGW-SE] Call for Temporary EC Volunteers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The USGenWeb Election Committee is in need of temporary helpers for the upcoming National Elections, for a period of approximately 6 to 8 weeks starting immediately. Responsibilies include assisting with nominations, and handling bounced email addresses. Volunteers will be asked to check mail frequently. All members not considering running for election are invited to volunteer. Please contact the EC Chair, Ellen Pack e.j.pack@natchezbelle.org Thank you, and please consider helping out the Project during this important time! The USGenWeb Election Committee > Virginia Crilley

I think I can add something to the discussion. Many jurisdictions gave the Genealogical Society of Utah permission to copy the microfilm and distribute copies of the film, as long as patrons agreed not to make copies of the information for anything other than personal use. If this restriction was made on a specific film, a statement to the effect in on the side of the box. This is common on films borrowed from English records, South Carolina, Alabama, and Georgia. Some jurisdictions did not even allow the FHC to make copies to be loaned to the local FHC. Apparently South Carolina once placed this restriction on any record microfilmed by the Gen. Soc. of Utah. For a while a couple of mid western states even had this restriction. There are other holdings which are restricted to use only in Salt Lake and that restriction is listed on the library card. In order to stop the misuse of books and other copy writed information on microfilm, the FHC instituted a policy that discourages people from copying whole books rather than purchasing them on the open market. Deborah Byrd

In a message dated 5/26/2003 12:07:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, gholback_1999@yahoo.com writes: << An amazing thing in the South is that given names and surnames have been so distorted in their spelling >> I have a genealogy buddy who was working on the Rhodes family. You can imagine the variations. As she and her husband were copying the stones in a cemetery, she came across a long granite marker lying down in the grass that had MARTIN ROAD carved lengthwise down the stone. She: "Look how this one spelled it." He: "Honey, that's the street sign. Someone has knocked it down. We are on Martin Road. Donna

I agree Margie, wouldn't it seem that the LDS is talking more about their "published" works - personal memoirs and family histories as well as published books more than the Census or public records materials such as land deeds? Best regards, Gaila > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "margie" <margie@majorinternet.net> > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 3:58 AM > Subject: [GAGEN] LDS does not hold the copyrights because they film > > > > LDS does not hold the copyrights to public records. > > > > Just because the LDS filmed the data does not give them any copyrights. > These microfilm are exact copies of the files in the court records or other > official records. > > > > For example. North Carolina's old county records are at their state > archives. If LDS is the agency that microfilmed these records they > certainly don't hold copyrights to them. > > > > Margie >

In a message dated 5/25/2003 5:52:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, amylyn@btconline.net writes: << but good luck proving someone took it from your book. >> Ah, but there are stones in my books that are no longer there and most indexers I know put a few mistakes in there deliberately just for the purpose of proving violation. I know I was advised to way back in the 1970s You know, it took me 10 years to go from cemetery to cemetery while raising 5 kids to copy over 42,000 tombstones and to index the censuses I did. It cost money to print the books and over ten years to sell the copies to get the money back. Over the years, I have shared freely and nice people and church groups have asked permission to reprint parts and permission has been granted. I have never seen a group so obsessed with getting around someone's rights.. I will just tell you that in history and genealogy the enjoyment comes from 1/ finding that elusive piece of the puzzle 2/ all the people that you meet on the way lovely or otherwise 3/ the joy of a job you are interested in done to the best of your ability Don't you think the people who matter know 1/ whether you know your subject 2/ whether you are doing your job 3/ whether you are being honest or dishonest If you know, they know and boy do they laugh at the frauds behind their backs. One of these days, I will be going where so many of the history people I have known have gone before. What do I want to leave behind me? I want to leave people who say she will be missed and then maybe I can listen as they tell stories about how I helped them, or something fun we did together or some silly mistake I made. On my trips this past week, I came up with an entirely new concept of how I want to spend the rest of my life and sitting tied to my computer is not high on the list. Donna Parrish

Welcome to the GAGenWeb Amy, and thanks for introducing yourself! The info you sent was really super. There is always a fine line and need for good understanding of the copyright laws. Jan Cortez Banks County **********REPLY SEPARATOR***************** I have yet to be introduced or welcomed by this group, so you may not know who I am. My name is Amy Hedrick and I am the new CC for Glynn County, I have taken over for Susan Peterson. Amy,

Welcome Amy and thank you for a very informative explanation of the LDS copyright. This is very helpful. Liz Robertson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Hedrick" <amylyn@btconline.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:52 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] LDS does not hold the copyrights because they film I have yet to be introduced or welcomed by this group, so you may not know who I am. My name is Amy Hedrick and I am the new CC for Glynn County, I have taken over for Susan Peterson. On the copyright issue, I have talked to the national copyright law offices a few months ago when I made a CD of the Brunswick City Directories and they said that you can use anything that is of a public record, that includes court records, cemetery transcriptions, telephone books, etc. However, if someone puts it together in, lets say microfilm, you can not copy that microfilm and sell it as your own but you can extract the info and use it as your own because only the film is copyrighted not the info on it (if it is of a public record). My CD that I made, can not be copyrighted, only the format it is in and it is automatically copyrighted, I do not have to put copyright notice on it. You can not take my CD and copy it exactly and sell it as your own or upload it to the internet, that would be infringing on my rights. By you can take those images, save them in a different format, or use my CD and transcribe those books, and not give me credit because it is public information. Everything you publish is automatically copyrighted even photographs you take. In order to get a legal copyright you have to pay for it, and it has to be for something that is an original work like a photograph, or a history book, or novel, or song, etc. Many of these people who are putting together indexes and cemetery books and selling them are under the misconception that other people can not copy them without their permission. In one sense they are right, but if you change the format you can very well do what you want with it, there is no copyright. Now, if you are directly related to the people in your cemetery book or family history book, the public records you extracted are copyrighted within your publication and can not be used without your permission, but good luck proving someone took it from your book. Anyone can go to a cemetery and get the info off of the stones, so if someone makes a book, you can take the info from it also, as long as the author of the book isn't related to the people in it. So you can use LDS public record microfilms as long as you don't put a direct image of it online without their permission, and you don't make copies of it and sell it. You can extract the information and do what you want with it, how will they know you got it from their microfilm and not the courthouse and again they can't copyright the information, the national copyright law offices say so. Now their publications, or other books that they have on microfilm are copyrighted, by them, and by the original publisher. You can not use this information as public info without permission. The original publisher gave LDS permission to microfilm and sell their books, and books written before 1923 are no longer under copyright law so LDS can microfilm them and sell them without permission, and you can take info from them without permission, you just can't use the actual images from the microfilm or copy the microfilm and sell it as your own. Is everyone confused now? Amy Hedrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Gaila" <gaila@merrington.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Fw: [GAGEN] LDS does not hold the copyrights because they film > > > I agree Margie, wouldn't it seem that the LDS is talking more about their > "published" works - personal memoirs and family histories as well as > published books more than the Census or public records materials such as > land deeds? > Best regards, > Gaila > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "margie" <margie@majorinternet.net> > > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 3:58 AM > > Subject: [GAGEN] LDS does not hold the copyrights because they film > > > > > > > LDS does not hold the copyrights to public records. > > > > > > Just because the LDS filmed the data does not give them any copyrights. > > These microfilm are exact copies of the files in the court records or > other > > official records. > > > > > > For example. North Carolina's old county records are at their state > > archives. If LDS is the agency that microfilmed these records they > > certainly don't hold copyrights to them. > > > > > > Margie > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== This list is for volunteers of the GAGenWeb Project. If you wish to address only the GAGenWeb Board, send your email to: <GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com>

>I have yet to be introduced or welcomed by this group, so you may not know who I am. My name is Amy Hedrick and I am the new CC for Glynn County, I have taken over for Susan Peterson.< Amy, A sincere welcome! Sounds like you are no stranger to genealogy. Thanks for sharing the good information with us. And for introducing yourself. ;-) Sharon Driver Wright CCC Ware County

At 05:52 PM 5/25/03 -0400, you wrote: >My name is Amy Hedrick and I am the new CC for Glynn County, I have taken >over for Susan Peterson. Welcome Amy! >Many of these people who are putting together indexes and cemetery books and >selling them are under the misconception that other people can not copy them >without their permission. In one sense they are right, but if you change >the format you can very well do what you want with it, there is no >copyright. You are correct here. Only the format is what can be copyrighted. We published seven volumes on the Land Records of Cherokee County Georgia. the first book was abstracted from the microfilm at the State Archives. The other six were done in the LDS Library in Powder Springs. The film I used is probably still there. I obtained it on a permanent loan. I tried to get permission from the Clerk of Court in Cherokee County to purchase the film from the State Archives. They were very much against this move. However, they could not stop anyone from working from the microfilm, or the original records to do an abstract. The LDS can, and do sell the microfilm when they can get permission from the party to holds the actual records. But public records are open to the public, but some would like to put a stop to that. <g> Again, welcome to the group. Wyndell Taylor

I have yet to be introduced or welcomed by this group, so you may not know who I am. My name is Amy Hedrick and I am the new CC for Glynn County, I have taken over for Susan Peterson. On the copyright issue, I have talked to the national copyright law offices a few months ago when I made a CD of the Brunswick City Directories and they said that you can use anything that is of a public record, that includes court records, cemetery transcriptions, telephone books, etc. However, if someone puts it together in, lets say microfilm, you can not copy that microfilm and sell it as your own but you can extract the info and use it as your own because only the film is copyrighted not the info on it (if it is of a public record). My CD that I made, can not be copyrighted, only the format it is in and it is automatically copyrighted, I do not have to put copyright notice on it. You can not take my CD and copy it exactly and sell it as your own or upload it to the internet, that would be infringing on my rights. By you can take those images, save them in a different format, or use my CD and transcribe those books, and not give me credit because it is public information. Everything you publish is automatically copyrighted even photographs you take. In order to get a legal copyright you have to pay for it, and it has to be for something that is an original work like a photograph, or a history book, or novel, or song, etc. Many of these people who are putting together indexes and cemetery books and selling them are under the misconception that other people can not copy them without their permission. In one sense they are right, but if you change the format you can very well do what you want with it, there is no copyright. Now, if you are directly related to the people in your cemetery book or family history book, the public records you extracted are copyrighted within your publication and can not be used without your permission, but good luck proving someone took it from your book. Anyone can go to a cemetery and get the info off of the stones, so if someone makes a book, you can take the info from it also, as long as the author of the book isn't related to the people in it. So you can use LDS public record microfilms as long as you don't put a direct image of it online without their permission, and you don't make copies of it and sell it. You can extract the information and do what you want with it, how will they know you got it from their microfilm and not the courthouse and again they can't copyright the information, the national copyright law offices say so. Now their publications, or other books that they have on microfilm are copyrighted, by them, and by the original publisher. You can not use this information as public info without permission. The original publisher gave LDS permission to microfilm and sell their books, and books written before 1923 are no longer under copyright law so LDS can microfilm them and sell them without permission, and you can take info from them without permission, you just can't use the actual images from the microfilm or copy the microfilm and sell it as your own. Is everyone confused now? Amy Hedrick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim & Gaila" <gaila@merrington.net> To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 25, 2003 5:08 PM Subject: Fw: [GAGEN] LDS does not hold the copyrights because they film > > > I agree Margie, wouldn't it seem that the LDS is talking more about their > "published" works - personal memoirs and family histories as well as > published books more than the Census or public records materials such as > land deeds? > Best regards, > Gaila > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "margie" <margie@majorinternet.net> > > To: <GAGEN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 26, 2003 3:58 AM > > Subject: [GAGEN] LDS does not hold the copyrights because they film > > > > > > > LDS does not hold the copyrights to public records. > > > > > > Just because the LDS filmed the data does not give them any copyrights. > > These microfilm are exact copies of the files in the court records or > other > > official records. > > > > > > For example. North Carolina's old county records are at their state > > archives. If LDS is the agency that microfilmed these records they > > certainly don't hold copyrights to them. > > > > > > Margie > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > For researching SURNAMES, check out GAGenWeb's new help page with links > to the most popular Surname sites: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gagenweb/cchelp/surname/ > > >

LDS does not hold the copyrights to public records. Just because the LDS filmed the data does not give them any copyrights. These microfilm are exact copies of the files in the court records or other official records. For example. North Carolina's old county records are at their state archives. If LDS is the agency that microfilmed these records they certainly don't hold copyrights to them. Margie

Thanks to all who replied. I've got the link working correctly. How many have a link to "Mercer Library Special Collections. Macon, GA? Does it work? Happy family hunting, kemis CC for Muscogee and Chattahoochee Counties Researching: DUKE, EVANS, HICKEY, MAYS, ROSAMOND, SONGER, and CAMP for me Researching: BROOKS, CHAMBERS, MASSEY, FOUNTAIN, and SMITH for my hubbie and CLAPP Factory Cemetery in Columbus, GA for preservation purposes ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Got a problem? Contact your RC or ASC at GAGENWEB-L@rootsweb.com