Objections to what? You've lost me on this one. What are they objecting to? Vicki At 10:48 AM 1/17/2005, you wrote: >I thought I'd pass this along since I know some of you do manage County >Message Boards. > >This a.m. I had a letter from Rootsweb saying that I had an unusually high >number of "objections" on the Jones County message board and to please >deal with them. > >I really hadn't a clue what this was about....and then went to the Jones >Board in my Administrator mode, and sure enough there is a line at the >very top left hand corner "Review Objections". > >I had 46 objections --- waiting for a decision. (I have since checked my >other boards and didn't have any "objections"...so I think someone is just >annoyed with the Jones Board). > >Most of them were in regard to the multiple surnames listed -- which were >all the surnames the individual was researching, and most not included >within the message itself. It took me a while, but I finally got through >all those, editing the surnames appropriately. > >Each objection has to be considered and a decision made.... >my guess is that individuals reading a message, must then "report abuse" >and that is how an objection occurs. > >After this, I'm sure going to watch that board more closely so objections >don't stack up. > >Virginia > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html

Thank you for all of the consideration you have given to this subject! I believe your decision is a positive move in the right directon and I most definately would like to subscribe to the new "business" list. Wayne Dorough Glascock County GAGenWeb http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaglasco/ Michael and Vivian Saffold wrote: > Hello, everyone, > > First I want to apologize for not responding to the current thread > quicker. I had a long-standing family outing planned yesterday afternoon. > > We have 98 members of this project. Just as in any other family, we > are all different individuals, with different points of view, > preferences, thoughts and feelings. The fact that we're different does > not make anyone right or wrong, just different. That's just human > nature. However, we have more in common than other people. We are all > members of the unique family called GAGenWeb. > > I must say that I appreciate the courteous way in which this > discussion has been conducted. Thanks, too, for the many constructive > ideas. > > I certainly understand that "chatty" email can be time-consuming, > especially for those who work from home. I work from home, but have a > system in place for segregating email that needs an immediate response > from correspondence that can wait. However, I can understand how being > able to put non-urgent email into a separate folder could be beneficial. > > I have heard from 34 of you, enough, I think to make a decision on > this issue. > > Of that number, 23 prefer one list, 7 want two lists, 3 had no opinion > and 1 prefers "no chat." > > Of the 23 who prefer one list, most said that "chit-chat" was a > valuable part of the project, promoting a sense of "community" and > "family." > > **I must point out that not one person has said that chat was a bad > thing. The suggestion of a different way to manage email should not be > interpreted as a personal affront to anyone. Likewise, the posting of > baby announcements and such violated no rule and certainly is not > wrong.** > > Please understand that all of you, your babies, grandbabies and great > grandbabies, parents, siblings, puppies and kitties, your "day jobs" > and all the events in your lives are important. These relationships > and events help make us who we are. *Who we are* is what makes us -- > every single one of us -- vital to our counties and to this project. > > I would like to continue operating GAGen-L like it is. It will remain > the official and archived list. However, I will create another mailing > list for those of you who would like to be able to segregate strictly > business correspondence from all other project email. I will create > this list on my own computer. Only my posts and forwards from the > national project will be included on this list. > > Please let me know if you would like to be subscribed to the alternate > list. If we see down the road that the arrangement is not working, we > can always make changes. > > Thanks, all of you, for your constructive input. > > Vivian > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005

I thought I'd pass this along since I know some of you do manage County Message Boards. This a.m. I had a letter from Rootsweb saying that I had an unusually high number of "objections" on the Jones County message board and to please deal with them. I really hadn't a clue what this was about....and then went to the Jones Board in my Administrator mode, and sure enough there is a line at the very top left hand corner "Review Objections". I had 46 objections --- waiting for a decision. (I have since checked my other boards and didn't have any "objections"...so I think someone is just annoyed with the Jones Board). Most of them were in regard to the multiple surnames listed -- which were all the surnames the individual was researching, and most not included within the message itself. It took me a while, but I finally got through all those, editing the surnames appropriately. Each objection has to be considered and a decision made.... my guess is that individuals reading a message, must then "report abuse" and that is how an objection occurs. After this, I'm sure going to watch that board more closely so objections don't stack up. Virginia

Vivian, sorry to chime in so late, but I have been out of town during this thread. Remember that we have the announcments page on the website. Important announcements could be posted there with a note to the list to check the page periodically. That way, several announcement subjects could be posted at once and remain there until their time line was past. Just a thought...

go for it. An announcement list and our gagen list seem the best solution. Debora Byrd

Sorry for all the post my DSL seemed to be stuck so I hit send 3 times ..... Sorry Ed

Vivian wrote: >I would like to continue operating GAGen-L like it is. It will remain the > official and archived list. However, I will create another mailing list for > those of you who would like to be able to segregate strictly business > correspondence from all other project email. I will create this list on my > own computer. Only my posts and forwards from the national project will be > included on this list. Vivian This sounds like a great solution to me and will work for all of us. Ed

Vivian wrote: >I would like to continue operating GAGen-L like it is. It will remain the > official and archived list. However, I will create another mailing list for > those of you who would like to be able to segregate strictly business > correspondence from all other project email. I will create this list on my > own computer. Only my posts and forwards from the national project will be > included on this list. Vivian This sounds like a great solution to me and will work for all of us. Ed

Vivian wrote: >I would like to continue operating GAGen-L like it is. It will remain the > official and archived list. However, I will create another mailing list for > those of you who would like to be able to segregate strictly business > correspondence from all other project email. I will create this list on my > own computer. Only my posts and forwards from the national project will be > included on this list. Vivian This sounds like a great solution to me and will work for all of us. Ed

Vivian wrote: >I would like to continue operating GAGen-L like it is. It will remain the > official and archived list. However, I will create another mailing list for > those of you who would like to be able to segregate strictly business > correspondence from all other project email. I will create this list on my > own computer. Only my posts and forwards from the national project will be > included on this list. Vivian This sounds like a great solution to me and will work for all of us. Ed

Hello, everyone, First I want to apologize for not responding to the current thread quicker. I had a long-standing family outing planned yesterday afternoon. We have 98 members of this project. Just as in any other family, we are all different individuals, with different points of view, preferences, thoughts and feelings. The fact that we're different does not make anyone right or wrong, just different. That's just human nature. However, we have more in common than other people. We are all members of the unique family called GAGenWeb. I must say that I appreciate the courteous way in which this discussion has been conducted. Thanks, too, for the many constructive ideas. I certainly understand that "chatty" email can be time-consuming, especially for those who work from home. I work from home, but have a system in place for segregating email that needs an immediate response from correspondence that can wait. However, I can understand how being able to put non-urgent email into a separate folder could be beneficial. I have heard from 34 of you, enough, I think to make a decision on this issue. Of that number, 23 prefer one list, 7 want two lists, 3 had no opinion and 1 prefers "no chat." Of the 23 who prefer one list, most said that "chit-chat" was a valuable part of the project, promoting a sense of "community" and "family." **I must point out that not one person has said that chat was a bad thing. The suggestion of a different way to manage email should not be interpreted as a personal affront to anyone. Likewise, the posting of baby announcements and such violated no rule and certainly is not wrong.** Please understand that all of you, your babies, grandbabies and great grandbabies, parents, siblings, puppies and kitties, your "day jobs" and all the events in your lives are important. These relationships and events help make us who we are. *Who we are* is what makes us -- every single one of us -- vital to our counties and to this project. I would like to continue operating GAGen-L like it is. It will remain the official and archived list. However, I will create another mailing list for those of you who would like to be able to segregate strictly business correspondence from all other project email. I will create this list on my own computer. Only my posts and forwards from the national project will be included on this list. Please let me know if you would like to be subscribed to the alternate list. If we see down the road that the arrangement is not working, we can always make changes. Thanks, all of you, for your constructive input. Vivian

Keith, I may have missed something (I just scanned through the series of emails about this) - I thought that was the gest of the discussion - business vs. friendly banter occassionally. I don't have a strong opinion one way or the other about 2 lists - I don't have any experience with these lists so I don't know if it's a good idea or not. I hope nothing I wrote in my email was interpreted as a 'veiled barb' cause it certainly wasn't meant that way! I can understand both sides of this issue ( I think ) and certainly think someone should be able to bring up a concern about the use of the list or anything else without getting pummeled. I thought we were asked for opinions on the subject and a roll call - or I wouldn't have replied at all. My only opinion on the subject is that I like some of the friendly get-to-know-each-other info - that's it - my only opinion - whether that needs to be on this list or another is something someone who knows more about managing these list will have to decide. I didn't see anything offensive in the posts I read - maybe I missed something. Beth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Giddeon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2005 12:44 AM Subject: [GAGEN] On point > In all the discussion I have yet to see one request to cease the friendly, > get-to-know-each-other posts. I'm not sure where this discussion ended up > going in that direction. > No one wants anything other than to have business on one list, and the > others on a separate list. Also, to have the right to > subscribe/unsubscribe (as need arises) from the non-business list. > That's it. > This should not in any way threaten anyone, or make you feel that you > can't/shouldn't continue making posts as you have in the past. Also, I > don't see the need for the one or two veiled barbs bandied about towards > those of us who wish to have a simple change in the way we go about our > conversations. > Change is not bad. In many cases it helps make things better. > > --Keith > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ > >

I've scanned through the dozen or so emails about these lists - catching up after not being on the computer much the last day or two. As for roll-call - HERE for Spalding and Gordon Counties. (just uploaded a tombstone photo of Doc Holliday's sister on Spalding County page ( http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaspald3/martha_eleanor_holliday_tombstone.htm ) As for Chat vs business - I agree with whoever said - I spend all day and many nights and weekends in the business world - this is a hobby and I enjoy getting to know a little about the people in this little online community. Sometimes I don't have time to read all the emails and have the option to delete. I do tend to read them all - but sometimes just scan them. I also agree with whoever said - I can understand both sides of the issue and it might be helpful to be careful about the subject line for those that prefer to delete anything of a personal nature. In my own little real life world I know that business is usually done through networking and developing relationships - much more is accomplished when personal relationships are developed. I know that in this genealogy community I've gotten some very friendly help in getting my pages up and running and gathering information for the pages and for my personal research from people on this list. My personal opinion is that I'd hate to see it become so sterile that no one would feel free to voice an opinion or ask a question (my questions are very dumb sometimes and that's only been pointed out to me a couple of times from people here <g>). Ed - my husband's grandchildren really are my 'step' grandchildren - but it doesn't seem like it - they are adorable and I love them like they were my own - I REALLY am not old enough to have grandchildren (at least I keep telling myself that! lol). I hit a milestone birthday last month so I'm in EXTREME denial and plan to stay that way :) Bettie - what a real cutie! Even the two daughters :) Beth >> >>Michael and Vivian Saffold wrote: >> >>>Hello, everyone, >>> >>>I have had several requests, both privately and expressed to this list, >>>for a separate mailing list for "chat." >>> >>>Many of us endured terrible experiences with a two-list system >>>administered by the previous project. I know that for the most part we >>>have moved on from that unfortunate era, but for that reason I have been >>>very hesitant to establish a second list. >>> >>>Personally, I would like to see us have as few project rules and >>>restrictions as possible. I would much rather people remember that their >>>fellow volunteers are busy and keep their posts to a minimum. Responses >>>to posts like baby announcements certainly can be sent to the individual, >>>rather than to the list. >>> >>>However, I certainly will do what the majority wishes. >>> >>>If we do agree to have a separate list, I *will not* penalize anyone for >>>posting "chat" to the business list, and I know no one involved in this >>>project will be so discourteous as to call another volunteer to task >>>publicly or privately for his/her post. >>> >>>Please let me know how you feel about this issue. Do you favor a separate >>>list? If so, what should be considered "business?" For example: Obviously >>>baby announcements could go to the chat list, but what about issues such >>>as our recent discussion of spyware? >>> >>>You may respond to me privately. I will compile the responses and post a >>>brief summary, along with a decision. >>> >>>Please do let me hear from you, even if you have no opinion. **This post >>>will serve as the First Quarter 2005 roll call.** >>> >>>Vivian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>>GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ >>> >>> >> >> >>-- >>No virus found in this outgoing message. >>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >>Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.13 - Release Date: 1/16/2005 >> >> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: >> http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > >

In all the discussion I have yet to see one request to cease the friendly, get-to-know-each-other posts. I'm not sure where this discussion ended up going in that direction. No one wants anything other than to have business on one list, and the others on a separate list. Also, to have the right to subscribe/unsubscribe (as need arises) from the non-business list. That's it. This should not in any way threaten anyone, or make you feel that you can't/shouldn't continue making posts as you have in the past. Also, I don't see the need for the one or two veiled barbs bandied about towards those of us who wish to have a simple change in the way we go about our conversations. Change is not bad. In many cases it helps make things better. --Keith

The daughters are pretty, but the grandbaby is a doll. Donna In a message dated 1/16/05 9:58:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << While I'm at it, here's our 2 daughters (neither one is the new mother) http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/Mas014.jpg >>

I would miss the chatter. For me it helps to know the people that I am working with and may need to call on to help with the website, a mailing list etc. Admittedly I don't work from home, but as with many of you I spend much of the day on the blessed machine either writing documents, running analyses, answering e-mail, and sometimes playing games. Computers are a major time consumer in our lives, and just as with the telephone we can choose to answer a call, or not. we can quickly scan and delete and simply delete a message as unread. We are trying to build a community with this group and that generally means occasionally sharing events in our lives and welcoming new comers. When my father had his accident four years ago, and then his death this summer, the community that had developed on one of my county lists was a great help and support. This organization was developing that community, after a little shaky beginning. It is sad to see that delicate balance falling apart. Deborah Byrd

I hope you'll reconsider Kim. I truly don't believe Keith had any intention other than suggesting a separate list for business and one for general discussion. I enjoy the personal news but don't always have time to give it the attention it deserves. I can live with filtering it out my own way or with a second list. In TXGenWeb, there are two lists and it seems to work fine. I could live without ever hearing the term "stirring the pot" again so I hope we can all respect each others differences of opinion. I can understand those who want a list where personal announcements can be made and replied to without upsetting the apple cart and I can also understand that there are persons who are not interested at all in those discussions. Each to his own - there is nothing wrong with either opinion. BTW, Vivian, I am "present"! I guess the suggestion of two lists sounds the best all around to me - we just all need to realize it means another person volunteering for yet another job or duty. I trust Vivian to come up with a solution we can all live with and move forward. Linda B. -----Original Message----- From: Michael and Vivian Saffold [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 3:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAGEN] chat list and roll call If we do go to two lists, I think it should be the list administrator who privately reminds anyone who has posted improperly. That way, we avoid the possibility of a disagreement. I am getting lots of good comments and anticipate that we can work out an good solution. Vivian At 01:20 PM 1/16/2005 -0600, you wrote: >One advantage of two lists is that we can filter the chat list to >another >email folder until we have time to read them. This is what I would do. I >have no problem reading the messages, it's just a matter of when. >However, unless the SC is behind a second list fully I doubt it will work. >W/O calling attention (in private) to a CC who posts a non-business >message to the business list, it will eventually become the norm again. So >there would really be no point in attempting it. >As far as how it worked in the past, well, lots of things didn't work in >the past, but that wasn't the CCs' fault. I think we should give ourselves >much more credit than the past would give. > >--Keith > >Kemis Massey wrote: > >>Two list system - been there, done that, didn't work. I will go with >>what the majority wants. I can tell you that this is tax season for me >>and I know how to both scan and delete messages, quickly. >> >>Using "welcome" to a new comer as an example, we would all like to >>welcome the person. It is easier to reply and let the welcome go to the >>whole list, than it is to go to the county list and find the new persons >>address. >> >>Happy Family Hunting, >>kemis massey >>[email protected] >> >>CC for Chattahoochee, Clayton and Muscogee Counties >>List Admin for Chattahoochee, Harris, and Muscogee Counties >>Researching: >> for hubbie: MASSEY, BROOKS, FOUNTAIN, SMITH >> for me: SONGER, CAMP, EVANS, ROSAMOND >> for preservation: CLAPP Cemetery, Community, Factory, and >>Families - >> Muscogee County >> >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: Michael and Vivian Saffold Hello, >>everyone, >> >>I have had several requests, both privately and expressed to this >>list, >>for a separate mailing list for "chat." >> >>Many of us endured terrible experiences with a two-list system >>administered by the previous project. I know that for the most part we >>have moved on from that unfortunate era, but for that reason I have been >>very hesitant to establish a second list. >> >>Personally, I would like to see us have as few project rules and >>restrictions as possible. I would much rather people remember that their >>fellow volunteers are busy and keep their posts to a minimum. Responses >>to posts like baby announcements certainly can be sent to the individual, >>rather than to the list. >> >>However, I certainly will do what the majority wishes. >> >>If we do agree to have a separate list, I *will not* penalize anyone >>for >>posting "chat" to the business list, and I know no one involved in this >>project will be so discourteous as to call another volunteer to task >>publicly or privately for his/her post. >> >>Please let me know how you feel about this issue. Do you favor a >>separate >>list? If so, what should be considered "business?" For example: Obviously >>baby announcements could go to the chat list, but what about issues such >>as our recent discussion of spyware? >> >>You may respond to me privately. I will compile the responses and post >>a >>brief summary, along with a decision. >> >>Please do let me hear from you, even if you have no opinion. **This >>post >>will serve as the First Quarter 2005 roll call.** >> >>Vivian >> >> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ >> >> >> >> > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html

I too hope you will reconsider Kim! I also think the idea of 2 lists would be great, but think I suggested it before. (try, try again) All I can say about one list, though, is if & when we have another grand, I will try & be the first one to post that announcement <g> Elaine described it pretty well though. <g> Announcements like these can explain why we are not immediately responding to our emails--cause we're busy with another very important duty!!! > In TXGenWeb, there are two lists and it seems to > work fine. There are some other states that do the same thing--one even has a "political" list! Roll Call-- I am here for Walton & Richmond County. Also still proudly sending our picture of the mini-pope to who ever wants to click & view: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/1038.jpg Yep he's another Texan, right down to his pacifier: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/M1030.jpg Here's the day he went home--all that pretty hair, he should've had a bow like Savannah got: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/Mas024.jpg While I'm at it, here's our 2 daughters (neither one is the new mother) http://www.rootsweb.com/~txbosqu2/Mas014.jpg Bettie <>< -- CHINESE PROVERBS Man who run in front of car get tired. Man who run behind car get exhausted.

Kim, I certainly agree that you have a right to have your feelings hurt. Ed mde the post and a lot of us responded including Vivian and myself. Yes, it reminded me of "the old days", too. But don't leave. Remember the suggestions that You, Virginia, Dan and I made as the committee for two lists The original suggestion was 2 lists GAGEN for everything. - voluntary GAGEN_ANNOUNCE - mandatory only the SC can post Then remember "who and how" it got corrupted. Come on back. We all love that baby and hey I have another great grandbaby due soon. Donna In a message dated 1/16/05 7:56:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << I apologize for making an announcement about my grandbaby to those of you that just don't care. It seems to me that the some of the same people that were stirring the pot before are stirring it again. It was a tough decision for me to leave the first time and it's tough for me again. I can't see being part of a group that's just all business, if we can't share good things then it's just no good. If I am wrong, I am wrong, and I am willing to admit it. I pride myself on being a good an honest person. I love the county I live in and hate to give it up. Therefore, since I spoke out of turn with the announcement of my grandbaby, I hereby resign effective immediately. Please unsubscribe me from this list. I want no part of an organization like this any longer. It's just not a good place to be. Kim Gordon >>

Keith, If you only wanted to read announcements, then all you would have to do is read mail from Vivian and delete all other mail. Some of us feel like family here and want to participate and enjoy some of the good things that happen to our extended family. We didn't have that chance before and we were finally coming to enjoy the GAGenWeb and interact. Not to sound disrespectful here, but, if you have time to sit in chat rooms, I would think that you would have time to hit the delete key. I, for one am so very sad to see Kim leave. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Giddeon" <[email protected]> > Kim, Ed, Bettie, Bob, and any other members who have recently had good > news announcements on the list, > > Let me clarify the reasons why I really need a change in the way the list > works, and I feel others will agree. > First, I want to read the announcements. ALL the announcements. It's just > that for the sake of sanity (and being able to read all the posts) there > has to be a change in how it is performed. (Also, some of the down-thread > posts really could be sent privately, but I won't argue over that issue.) > Some of us work from our computers during the day and we use email filters > to help us sort what needs to be read as priorities dictate. At present I > consider official announcements from the SC a priority. But, I do not > consider the friendly announcements one. So, I'd really like to be able to > filter those emails to another folder for later reading. Which may be 2 or > even 3 weeks later. This would make them marked as "unread" and I would > know what has been and hasn't been read. > My intention, and that of the others who agree, is not to stir any pot or > to cause any strife in the project. We simply wish for a change in the way > the list works. What is so bad about that? Instead of sending/receiving > mail to or from GAGEN-L it goes to another list name. I really don't see > the problem when it would help many of us out enormously. > If there has been offense taken at these suggestions, I apologize, for > that was not my intention at all. > So Kim, I ask that you please reconsider and I hope that my clarification > of my reasons for agreeing to a change in the lists operation will be > enough to suffice your reconsideration. > > --Keith > > kim gordon wrote: > >> I apologize for making an announcement about my grandbaby to those of you >> that just don't care. >> >> It seems to me that the some of the same people that were stirring the >> pot before are stirring it again. It was a tough decision for me to >> leave the first time and it's tough for me again. I can't see being part >> of a group that's just all business, if we can't share good things then >> it's just no good. >> >> If I am wrong, I am wrong, and I am willing to admit it. I pride myself >> on being a good an honest person. I love the county I live in and hate >> to give it up. >> >> Therefore, since I spoke out of turn with the announcement of my >> grandbaby, I hereby resign effective immediately. Please unsubscribe me >> from this list. I want no part of an organization like this any longer. >> It's just not a good place to be. >> >> Kim Gordon >> SC Arizona AHGP >> CC Clayton County, GA AHGP >> CC Coconino County, AZ AHGP >> CC Crawford County, GA AHGP >> Crawford County Historical Society >> Crawford County Saving Graves >> Ed & Kim's Connections >> ASC Georgia AHGP >> CC Habersham County, GA AHGP >> SC Hawaii AHGP >> Historic Crawford Foundation, Inc. >> Roberta-Crawford County Chamber of Commerce >> CC Talbot County, GA AHGP >> CC Taylor County, GA AHGP >> >> >> >> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >> Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: >> http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html >> >> >> > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > >