In a message dated 4/26/05 4:01:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Census data is information given by people voluntarily with the agreement that it is confidential for 72 years. >> That is like saying we file our income tax forms voluntarily. Census was and is required by law. If a person refuses, an enumerator has the power under the law to collect the "required" information from the person or from other sources. The "required" information is not everything on the form. This statement is not for or against a privacy policy. It is just for your information. Donna

I agree, Bob... This group took on one heck of a challenge. And they did one heck of a great job! And I agree totally with you. These are simple, easy to use guidelines... Everywhere you go, you have these privacy policies to sign. I had to sign one at the dentist's office! With this totally professional set of guidelines, with the banners incorporated as a link, we will show that we are a responsible organization. Just my 2¢ worth... Lorraine Walker Co., GAGenWeb At 02:12 PM 4/26/2005, you wrote: >Thanks to fellow members Keith Giddeon, Linda Blum-Barton, Ed Gordon and >Liz Nash for volunteering and taking time out of their personal schedules >to work on this policy. Most all professional, educational and research >organizations have adopted and published set standards and ethics within >their respective fields, including most all national genealogical and >historical societies and organizations. I feel the end result of the work >of the privacy guidelines committee is something that should please both >spectrums of thought on this subject simply because throughout the privacy >statement the word “should” is used. The privacy statement as I read it, >does not require any further rules and restrictions upon anyone. It is >simply a list of suggestions and guidelines at most and I feel the policy >shows that we, as an organization, are acting in a professional manner by >showing that we have a respect for living individuals in regards to their >privacy concerns. > >Bob Franks >The Liberty County GAGenWeb Project

The Chattooga County Death Records 1927-1930 from the Summerville News Newspaper has been added to the Chattooga County Web Site. More years to follow soon. Lynne Greene Chattooga County Coordinator

Joy, I am one that cannot afford to subscribe to the "pay to view" web sites. That is one reason that I got involved with the free web site projects like GAGenWeb, so I can place public records online for FREE. I do believe that we should have a cut off date and that we should have a Privacy Policy. But how far should we go? What about cemetery records where there is no death date on a tombstone? If there is a grave, but no date - should they be posted? When I do a cemetery survey, I check the Social Security Death Index. If the person is listed, then I put that date in brackets. I also do the same if only the year is given. But the question is should the surviving spouse be listed if they are still alive. Just the name or the birth date also? With all the web sites that I maintain, it will take a lot of time to go through each cemetery survey and remove the information about living people. Should I ask the submitter to update their submissions and remove living people? Doris > [Original Message] > From: Joy Fisher <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 4/26/05 1:18:48 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ Privacy Policy > > Ummm -- the entire census is available at Ancestry. > Let's remove all census records from our web sites and > just put a link ot Ancestry. >

Sorry.. hit "enter" and it zoomed off before I finished.. There should be a cut off date as well as a privay policy that we can refer researchers to when they question what we can or can't post. I had an issue where a poster wanted to place her family sheets online, which included another researcher who was still alive. Researcher #1 didn't see anything wrong with posting personal information about Researcher #2's family. She had children and grandchildren listed that were born recently, with birthdates and places of residence. Needless to say we didn't post Anything. It's always better to be safe than sorry when it comes to information posted. No matter if it's personal information that has been printed in a newspaper or reported on television.

I am assuming Bosque Lover meant Birth, Death, Marriage records which you have to request from the state, not the Census records which have been released for public consumption. I believe that Census Records at Ancestry.com are only available via a paid subscription. I think offering those on our websites would be a benefit to the researchers who do not have those paid subscriptions. And Census Records are not available for more current years, isn't this due to the "privacy" of those included in the census? I know I do not want my name and birthdate along with those of my children and our address posted on someone's genealogy website. There's a difference in sharing information about deceased ancestors and just listing members of a family. There should be a reasonable "cut off date" for current information allowed on sites to prevent someone's living relatives from being included. > Ummm -- the entire census is available at Ancestry. > Let's remove all census records from our web sites and > just put a link ot Ancestry. > > --- Bosque Lover <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Records made available by a state usually require > > specific information > > > by the requester and a fee for each record. Just > > because a recordset is > > > made available by a state does not mean we should > > abandon ehtics and > > > publish them wholly. > > > > I'm not real sure why we would want to publish on > > our web sites that which is so > > readily available elsewhere either. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html >

> You did not read Bettie's reply. She said that we > should not publish anything that was freely available > elsewhere. Actaually I said I wasn't real sure why we would want to publish what was readily available elsewhere--meaning if it didn't involve the dead. My personal cut off date for posting is 1925, but I do have a few things after that date. Bettie <>< -- The shampoo promised me extra body--I gained three pounds.

I have one rule that has really worked well for me. I only give personal information out to those that "are family." or those "I believe to be family." I never give out information about those that are still living. However my only brother sued me so many times after mother died, finding out who he is - would not be that difficult because he and his family are in her obit in Ben HIll County, GA. I am a great grandson of Charles W, RICHTER Sr. and Anne POTTER of Madison, Morgan County,GA I am a Descendant of Capt James DANIEL and Jane HICKS of Albemarle County, Virginia John R. ClarkeCC Morgan and Jefferson County, GA 2417 N. Patterson St:Thomasville, GA 31792 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ Privacy Policy > Sorry.. hit "enter" and it zoomed off before I finished.. > > > There should be a cut off date as well as a privay policy that we can > refer > researchers to when they question what we can or can't post. > > I had an issue where a poster wanted to place her family sheets online, > which > included another researcher who was still alive. Researcher #1 didn't see > anything wrong with posting personal information about Researcher #2's > family. She had children and grandchildren listed that were born > recently, > with birthdates and places of residence. Needless to say we didn't post > Anything. > > It's always better to be safe than sorry when it comes to information > posted. > No matter if it's personal information that has been printed in a > newspaper or > reported on television. > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html >

Thanks. Ed > > From: "D W Byrd" <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/04/26 Tue PM 04:50:23 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ Privacy Policy > > I like the policy statement. It is clear, concise, and allows to the CC's to have wiggle room to publish information to help the genealogist and yet limit the information on those living. > > Good job guys. > > Deborah Byrd > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ > >

RE; "Let's remove all census records from our web sites and just put a link ot Ancestry. " NOT me. I joined Ancestry when it was $29 a year but dropped off when it got to be $100 a year. I would not give those mercenary folks - the time of day. I am a great grandson of Charles W, RICHTER Sr. and Anne POTTER of Madison, Morgan County,GA I am a Descendant of Capt James DANIEL and Jane HICKS of Albemarle County, Virginia John R. ClarkeCC Morgan and Jefferson County, GA 2417 N. Patterson St:Thomasville, GA 31792 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Fisher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ Privacy Policy > Ummm -- the entire census is available at Ancestry. > Let's remove all census records from our web sites and > just put a link ot Ancestry. > > --- Bosque Lover <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Records made available by a state usually require >> specific information >> > by the requester and a fee for each record. Just >> because a recordset is >> > made available by a state does not mean we should >> abandon ehtics and >> > publish them wholly. >> >> I'm not real sure why we would want to publish on >> our web sites that which is so >> readily available elsewhere either. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > >

You did not read Bettie's reply. She said that we should not publish anything that was freely available elsewhere. We have nothing on our sites that is not freely available elsewhere. Should we just fold our tents? BTW, census data was given under penalty of law if you did not respond. That is hardly "freely given". --- Keith Giddeon <[email protected]> wrote: > Census data is information given by people > voluntarily with the > agreement that it is confidential for 72 years. This > is why census was > given an exception. > > Joy Fisher wrote: > > >Ummm -- the entire census is available at Ancestry. > >Let's remove all census records from our web sites > and > >just put a link ot Ancestry. > > > >--- Bosque Lover <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > >>>Records made available by a state usually require > >>> > >>> > >>specific information > >> > >> > >>>by the requester and a fee for each record. Just > >>> > >>> > >>because a recordset is > >> > >> > >>>made available by a state does not mean we should > >>> > >>> > >>abandon ehtics and > >> > >> > >>>publish them wholly. > >>> > >>> > >>I'm not real sure why we would want to publish on > >>our web sites that which is so > >>readily available elsewhere either. > >> > >> > > > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > >http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy > on copyrights at: > > > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Census data is information given by people voluntarily with the agreement that it is confidential for 72 years. This is why census was given an exception. Joy Fisher wrote: >Ummm -- the entire census is available at Ancestry. >Let's remove all census records from our web sites and >just put a link ot Ancestry. > >--- Bosque Lover <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>Records made available by a state usually require >>> >>> >>specific information >> >> >>>by the requester and a fee for each record. Just >>> >>> >>because a recordset is >> >> >>>made available by a state does not mean we should >>> >>> >>abandon ehtics and >> >> >>>publish them wholly. >>> >>> >>I'm not real sure why we would want to publish on >>our web sites that which is so >>readily available elsewhere either. >> >> > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >http://mail.yahoo.com > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > >

I like the policy statement. It is clear, concise, and allows to the CC's to have wiggle room to publish information to help the genealogist and yet limit the information on those living. Good job guys. Deborah Byrd

> Thanks to fellow members Keith Giddeon, Linda Blum-Barton, Ed Gordon and Liz > Nash for volunteering and taking time out of their personal schedules to > work on this policy. I might take up drinking just so I can give them a toast! lol Bettie <>< -- The shampoo promised me extra body--I gained three pounds.

> There should be a reasonable "cut off date" for current information allowed on > sites to prevent someone's living relatives from being included. I would like to see a cut off date to match the census (70 years) I don't get my way very much though <g> It doesn't really matter a whole lot to me cause I remove items anyway. That is, if I catch 'em, or if someone requests it. Bettie <>< -- The shampoo promised me extra body--I gained three pounds.

Thanks to fellow members Keith Giddeon, Linda Blum-Barton, Ed Gordon and Liz Nash for volunteering and taking time out of their personal schedules to work on this policy. Most all professional, educational and research organizations have adopted and published set standards and ethics within their respective fields, including most all national genealogical and historical societies and organizations. I feel the end result of the work of the privacy guidelines committee is something that should please both spectrums of thought on this subject simply because throughout the privacy statement the word “should” is used. The privacy statement as I read it, does not require any further rules and restrictions upon anyone. It is simply a list of suggestions and guidelines at most and I feel the policy shows that we, as an organization, are acting in a professional manner by showing that we have a respect for living individuals in regards to their privacy concerns. Bob Franks The Liberty County GAGenWeb Project

Recently a non-profit group that I work with published a book that contains Funeral Home Records from 1944 to 1949. I placed a few of the records on one of my web sites. They were records for my family members. Most of the "survivors" are now dead, but then some are still living. It does give the location of where they lived in the 1940s, but most of them do not live there now. (My Mom lived in Atlanta at the time, but moved here about 30 years ago.) I have one "volunteer" that wants to submit all kinds of material to a web site. I really enjoy reading the old newspaper articles, but she has now started sending more recent articles. I have told her that we cannot place wedding announcement, birth announcements and obits online with information about living people. She got very nasty about it and said that if I could not put ALL of the material that she submits online to just take down the other. Some of the records go back to the mid 1800s and are very helpful to researchers. I have even found obits about relatives that I did not know belong to my families. (Children that were born and died between census years.) Hate to lose all her information, but will take it down before being forced to accept information about living people. My personal cut off date is 1950, but do have a few things after that date. I like the idea of the Privacy Policy, as it will give me something to refer to when telling a person that I can not place information about living people online. I am thinking about adopting a similar policy for my personal family web site. (Don't knowing have information about living people online, but by placing the statement on the web site, maybe it will cut down on the e-mails for why I don't have cousin so and so in my files.) Doris > [Original Message] > From: Bosque Lover <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 4/26/05 10:48:28 AM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ Privacy Policy > > > Records made available by a state usually require specific information > > by the requester and a fee for each record. Just because a recordset is > > made available by a state does not mean we should abandon ehtics and > > publish them wholly. > > I'm not real sure why we would want to publish on our web sites that which is so > readily available elsewhere either. > > Another CC (in GA?--can't remember), said "if they ain't dead, it ain't genealogy". > That's basically the philosophy I use on my sites, but things do slip by these ole > eyes. > > I hope they don't mind me "borrowing" their quote. > Bettie <>< > -- > The shampoo promised me extra body--I gained three pounds. > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html

Ummm -- the entire census is available at Ancestry. Let's remove all census records from our web sites and just put a link ot Ancestry. --- Bosque Lover <[email protected]> wrote: > > Records made available by a state usually require > specific information > > by the requester and a fee for each record. Just > because a recordset is > > made available by a state does not mean we should > abandon ehtics and > > publish them wholly. > > I'm not real sure why we would want to publish on > our web sites that which is so > readily available elsewhere either. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

> Records made available by a state usually require specific information > by the requester and a fee for each record. Just because a recordset is > made available by a state does not mean we should abandon ehtics and > publish them wholly. I'm not real sure why we would want to publish on our web sites that which is so readily available elsewhere either. Another CC (in GA?--can't remember), said "if they ain't dead, it ain't genealogy". That's basically the philosophy I use on my sites, but things do slip by these ole eyes. I hope they don't mind me "borrowing" their quote. Bettie <>< -- The shampoo promised me extra body--I gained three pounds.

I protect my address book just like I protect my check book and credit cards. I don't make it available to anyone. I received the same request and I think that it is just another way to get addresses to send spam to. I never reply to that type of message, I just hit delete. Howard ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 3:42 PM Subject: Re: [GAGEN] A question > Thanks, Donna, > > I did some checking and found what it is. I am very leery of putting such > information online even though it says that it is secure. I have had > several requests to put my information to update someone else's address > book. I think I will stick to the old fashioned stubby pencil address > book. > > Liz > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 2:41 PM > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] A question > > >> Liz >> Go to Google and type in Ringo Address Book in quotes. >> Read the comments. Sounds bad to me. >> >> Donna >> >> In a message dated 4/24/05 12:24:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> >> << I know this may not be strictly on topic, but has anyone heard of >> Ringo >> Address Book on line? I have had a couple of people approach me about >> this. >> >> >> Liz Nash >> County Coordinator, Lincoln County GAGenWeb >> www.rootsweb.com/~galincol/ >> >> >> >> ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >> USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >> >> > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > >