Well I will accept the nomination and will do the best I can. Ed > > From: Virginia Crilley <[email protected]> > Date: 2005/06/06 Mon AM 09:59:05 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC nominations > > I nominate Ed Gordon. > > Virginia Crilley > > At 09:44 AM 6/6/2005 -0400, you wrote: > >The floor is now open for nominations for state coordinator of the > >GAGenWeb Project. Nominations will close at 9 a.m. EST on 20 June, 2005. > > > >The term is for two years. > > > >Qualified candidates will have at least one year's continuous service in > >the project. > > > >Nominations and responses will be posted on this mailing list. However, I > >would suggest that if you wish to nominate someone, you check with that > >person in advance to see if he/she wishes to be a candidate. > > > >Vivian > > > > > > > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ > >

Vivian, Once again, your leadership in the event of a troubling matter has proven to be outstanding and highly commendable. I wish to express my sincerest appreciation for keeping GAGenWeb's troubled past and future integrity in mind. --Keith Michael and Vivian Saffold wrote: > OK, folks, this discussion has gone on long enough. > > I sincerely apologize for not addressing this issue earlier. Had I > known that the EC would not be able to accommodate our election, I > certainly would have gotten started sooner. > > Let me say first that it has been my experience that the good folks of > the national Elections Committee are dedicated, hard-working > volunteers who conduct clean, unbiased, efficient elections. The > integrity with which they do their jobs would be a plus for us. > > I am told the earliest the EC can conduct our election would be the > week of August 22. My term is scheduled to expire on August 1. > > Because the EC no longer conducts state elections in conjunction with > nationals, in the future, we will either have to devise our own > election procedure or adjust our SC's term of office. > > I sincerely appreciate all the support and compliments I have received > from so many of you concerning my term of office. I am very flattered > by your trust and your willingness to have me stay for a bit longer. > However, I believe it would be harmful to the project to go against > the structure we established. This is not about me personally. > Extending my term without a formal vote of the membership, would, I > believe, be detrimental to the project. Conducting such a vote would > be as time-consuming as holding an SC election. > > North Carolina is in the same predicament we are. A disinterested > third party from another state is conducting NC's election. I have > written this person to see if he can help with ours. > > Let's proceed diligently with the goal of holding our election as soon > as possible. Having the EC conduct the election can be our Plan B. > > As for RA elections, they must be conducted "in house." The EC does > not conduct elections lower than the state coordinator level. The RA > term begins on 20 September. One of the first jobs of the new SC will > be to conduct RA elections. Last year we used Sylvia's server to > present nominees and had two volunteers from outside the Georgia > project to count votes. > > Vivian > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== > GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ > > > > >

Debra, I spent 5-6 years in that channel. I speak from experience. I have seen USGenWeb run from that channel on may many occasions. The Logo Contest was conceived, discussed, and pretty much decided in that channel late last year. --Keith Debra Crosby wrote: > I can only say that for those who took my message as personally offensive >I apologize, I was not trying to offend individuals. >Having been through a rigged election already I personally want to see us get >beyond that where it is less likely to ever happen again and I just happen to >think letting the EC handle the election would better ensure that. >As for individuals spending their time transcribing we should remember as CC's >that though there may be 50 cc's maintaining GAGenWeb there are 1000's of people >out there who are the backbone of the project, not us alone. Those people may only >share one obituary but it's still their contribution and most of those people share >across many states, not just GA. They do not have a say in the project at all so I >do think we owe it to them to be as professional as we can, you can take offense to >that if you wish but I personally don't think there is anything offensive about >being or at least appearing professional as an organization. >Keith I am one of those that go into #usgenweb on IRC and where or how you get the >idea >that the project is being run from there is beyond me. I must be blind as I don't see >anything of the sort and if anyone is inclined to believe such a statement I can only >suggest that you visit that channel and decide for yourself. > >Debra >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:51 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election > > > >Debra Crosby wrote: > > > >><snip> >>I am in agreement for making the USGenWeb stronger and not so much worried about >>guaranteeing the rights of the GAGenWeb SC, I'll probably get blasted for this >>but it is my opinion. I want to be part of the USGenWeb and not so much worried >>about seeing that the GAGenWeb remains separate from that project. >> >> >> >> > >Debra, > >First of all, I am not trying to see that the GAGenWeb SC's rights are >being upheld. I am trying to see that the GA CCs get an elected SC at >all times, except in cases of resignation. If a term ends it should be >filled with an elected SC WHEN that term ends. Period. >Secondly, I believe in GAGenWeb first and foremost. USGenWeb is an >organization bent on maintaining the status quo of cronyism (the project >is actually run from an IRC channel called #usgenweb) which is kept in >place by condoning and actually encouraging apathy and laziness in the >project's volunteers. >Until USGenWeb becomes something to which I can be proud to belong, I >will maintain my pride in belonging to GAGenWeb and working to better >Georgia genealogy research. > > > >>Debra Crosby >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:19 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election >> >>Debra, >> >>What does my argument have to do with what you just stated? States run >>their own elections all the time. It doesn't make them any less a part >>of USGenWeb. Ohio was recently denied an election by the EC as well, and >>they pulled an election off very quickly and with no trouble at all. >>My points are simple: 1. We were told there would be a one year term. 2. >>The EC will not favor us with an election until after that term has >>ended. 3. So, we need to conduct our own election. We can even use >>out-of-state vote counters to pull it off. Which I think is the usual >>method for these types of elections. >> >>--Keith >> >>Debra Crosby wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>I think it is time that we consider that we are part of the USGenWeb >>>and stop thinking that we are just our own separate project. >>>That has been our problem, thinking we are not part of the Whole. >>> >>>Debra >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >>>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:10 AM >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election >>> >>> >>> >>>Debra Crosby wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has >>>>failed us already. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>Yes, we have. And not holding an election when it is supposed to be held >>>is doing things like they were done in the past. It is time we followed >>>the rules we have set for ourselves. To do anything other than that >>>starts us down another slippery slope. >>>If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to >>>be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to >>>it ourselves. >>>I truly hope everyone can see the value in holding our election on time. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>><snip> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>>USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>>GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >> >> >> >> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: >> http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > >

Since Ed has been nominated and seconded, I will just endorse him. Donna In a message dated 6/6/05 11:42:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << > I nominate Ed Gordon. I second the nomination...or do we need to do that? Bettie <>< >>

I can only say that for those who took my message as personally offensive I apologize, I was not trying to offend individuals. Having been through a rigged election already I personally want to see us get beyond that where it is less likely to ever happen again and I just happen to think letting the EC handle the election would better ensure that. As for individuals spending their time transcribing we should remember as CC's that though there may be 50 cc's maintaining GAGenWeb there are 1000's of people out there who are the backbone of the project, not us alone. Those people may only share one obituary but it's still their contribution and most of those people share across many states, not just GA. They do not have a say in the project at all so I do think we owe it to them to be as professional as we can, you can take offense to that if you wish but I personally don't think there is anything offensive about being or at least appearing professional as an organization. Keith I am one of those that go into #usgenweb on IRC and where or how you get the idea that the project is being run from there is beyond me. I must be blind as I don't see anything of the sort and if anyone is inclined to believe such a statement I can only suggest that you visit that channel and decide for yourself. Debra -----Original Message----- From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:51 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election Debra Crosby wrote: ><snip> >I am in agreement for making the USGenWeb stronger and not so much worried about >guaranteeing the rights of the GAGenWeb SC, I'll probably get blasted for this >but it is my opinion. I want to be part of the USGenWeb and not so much worried >about seeing that the GAGenWeb remains separate from that project. > > Debra, First of all, I am not trying to see that the GAGenWeb SC's rights are being upheld. I am trying to see that the GA CCs get an elected SC at all times, except in cases of resignation. If a term ends it should be filled with an elected SC WHEN that term ends. Period. Secondly, I believe in GAGenWeb first and foremost. USGenWeb is an organization bent on maintaining the status quo of cronyism (the project is actually run from an IRC channel called #usgenweb) which is kept in place by condoning and actually encouraging apathy and laziness in the project's volunteers. Until USGenWeb becomes something to which I can be proud to belong, I will maintain my pride in belonging to GAGenWeb and working to better Georgia genealogy research. >Debra Crosby > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:19 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election > >Debra, > >What does my argument have to do with what you just stated? States run >their own elections all the time. It doesn't make them any less a part >of USGenWeb. Ohio was recently denied an election by the EC as well, and >they pulled an election off very quickly and with no trouble at all. >My points are simple: 1. We were told there would be a one year term. 2. >The EC will not favor us with an election until after that term has >ended. 3. So, we need to conduct our own election. We can even use >out-of-state vote counters to pull it off. Which I think is the usual >method for these types of elections. > >--Keith > >Debra Crosby wrote: > > > >>I think it is time that we consider that we are part of the USGenWeb >>and stop thinking that we are just our own separate project. >>That has been our problem, thinking we are not part of the Whole. >> >>Debra >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:10 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election >> >> >> >>Debra Crosby wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has >>>failed us already. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Yes, we have. And not holding an election when it is supposed to be held >>is doing things like they were done in the past. It is time we followed >>the rules we have set for ourselves. To do anything other than that >>starts us down another slippery slope. >>If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to >>be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to >>it ourselves. >>I truly hope everyone can see the value in holding our election on time. >> >> >> >> >> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >> >> >> >> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information.

---- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Gordon" You give the steering wheel 1 good yank one way or the other and you will slide off in the ditch..........lets try to avoid that ditch.;o) ************************************* Amen, Ed! Looks like Vivian has made a decision regarding the election, so I think we should all get behind her and move on. Jan Cortez

> I nominate Ed Gordon. I second the nomination...or do we need to do that? Bettie <>< -- Enjoy Your Freedom & God Bless Our Troops!!

> OK, folks, this discussion has gone on long enough. I apologize for not reading through all my emails first & making my last post. > Let me say first that it has been my experience that the good folks of the > national Elections Committee are dedicated, hard-working volunteers who > conduct clean, unbiased, efficient elections. The integrity with which they > do their jobs would be a plus for us. I will second that!! Will the new guidelines be voted on at the same time as SC? Bettie <>< -- Enjoy Your Freedom & God Bless Our Troops!!

> If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to > be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to > it ourselves. Last year's election was called for by the Advisory Board, not by the state. The EC was under the direction of the AB, not the state. This is not a matter of life or death, is it? I don't see any reason we can't wait until the EC is able to hold our elections. This will also give time for the GRC to wrap up the guidelines, & get them on the ballot. Are the elections for SC going to be every year? Ecery 2 years or how often? Bettie <>< -- Enjoy Your Freedom & God Bless Our Troops!!

The floor is now open for nominations for state coordinator of the GAGenWeb Project. Nominations will close at 9 a.m. EST on 20 June, 2005. The term is for two years. Qualified candidates will have at least one year's continuous service in the project. Nominations and responses will be posted on this mailing list. However, I would suggest that if you wish to nominate someone, you check with that person in advance to see if he/she wishes to be a candidate. Vivian

I nominate Ed Gordon. Virginia Crilley At 09:44 AM 6/6/2005 -0400, you wrote: >The floor is now open for nominations for state coordinator of the >GAGenWeb Project. Nominations will close at 9 a.m. EST on 20 June, 2005. > >The term is for two years. > >Qualified candidates will have at least one year's continuous service in >the project. > >Nominations and responses will be posted on this mailing list. However, I >would suggest that if you wish to nominate someone, you check with that >person in advance to see if he/she wishes to be a candidate. > >Vivian > > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >

OK, folks, this discussion has gone on long enough. I sincerely apologize for not addressing this issue earlier. Had I known that the EC would not be able to accommodate our election, I certainly would have gotten started sooner. Let me say first that it has been my experience that the good folks of the national Elections Committee are dedicated, hard-working volunteers who conduct clean, unbiased, efficient elections. The integrity with which they do their jobs would be a plus for us. I am told the earliest the EC can conduct our election would be the week of August 22. My term is scheduled to expire on August 1. Because the EC no longer conducts state elections in conjunction with nationals, in the future, we will either have to devise our own election procedure or adjust our SC's term of office. I sincerely appreciate all the support and compliments I have received from so many of you concerning my term of office. I am very flattered by your trust and your willingness to have me stay for a bit longer. However, I believe it would be harmful to the project to go against the structure we established. This is not about me personally. Extending my term without a formal vote of the membership, would, I believe, be detrimental to the project. Conducting such a vote would be as time-consuming as holding an SC election. North Carolina is in the same predicament we are. A disinterested third party from another state is conducting NC's election. I have written this person to see if he can help with ours. Let's proceed diligently with the goal of holding our election as soon as possible. Having the EC conduct the election can be our Plan B. As for RA elections, they must be conducted "in house." The EC does not conduct elections lower than the state coordinator level. The RA term begins on 20 September. One of the first jobs of the new SC will be to conduct RA elections. Last year we used Sylvia's server to present nominees and had two volunteers from outside the Georgia project to count votes. Vivian

At first I liked the Idea below but got to thinking and I think that if we did that the vote could be contested like say the loser of the election could say that well the totals were tallied by so and so and he/she is "?" (they winner) supporter and it was not fair or something like this. I think we need a non-interested party like the EC as long as NO GA CC's were part of the EC. It would be like as some of those in the past would twist the by-laws/guidelines to suit there agenda... ****************************************seperator****************************************************** Also, I would like to see a few CCs in GA begin working on our own voting software so we don't have to burden the EC with our requests in the future. (I can do some PHP programming and know others who can help. I suspect we could do some testing in less than one year.) ************************************************************************************************************* these are just some thoughts I had. Ed

I want to say I read someone asking about the RA/RC terms I was asked to look after Metro on or about 9/23/2004 and I thought it was for the few months until the SC election and then we would also do the RA/RC election "if" we have enough from each region to have one. I wish I had the answer to the seems to be elevating arqument about do we wait or do we hold the election our selves but I dont.....:o( Lets all just take a minute we got a minute and just breathe...................Ok Are we as a group trust worthy to hold out own roll call vote? I think Yes we are. Will waiting a little while cause any major problems? I think not. I have been enjoying just working on what I could and Vivian's time just shot by it was just toooo smooth. I just dont see a problem one way or the other. I do feel we can work it out with out all the remarks to one another. I have love in my heart for each and every one of ya and it hurts me to see all this going on..........You give the steering wheel 1 good yank one way or the other and you will slide off in the ditch..........lets try to avoid that ditch.;o) Ed

Debra Crosby wrote: ><snip> >I am in agreement for making the USGenWeb stronger and not so much worried about >guaranteeing the rights of the GAGenWeb SC, I'll probably get blasted for this >but it is my opinion. I want to be part of the USGenWeb and not so much worried >about seeing that the GAGenWeb remains separate from that project. > > Debra, First of all, I am not trying to see that the GAGenWeb SC's rights are being upheld. I am trying to see that the GA CCs get an elected SC at all times, except in cases of resignation. If a term ends it should be filled with an elected SC WHEN that term ends. Period. Secondly, I believe in GAGenWeb first and foremost. USGenWeb is an organization bent on maintaining the status quo of cronyism (the project is actually run from an IRC channel called #usgenweb) which is kept in place by condoning and actually encouraging apathy and laziness in the project's volunteers. Until USGenWeb becomes something to which I can be proud to belong, I will maintain my pride in belonging to GAGenWeb and working to better Georgia genealogy research. >Debra Crosby > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:19 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election > >Debra, > >What does my argument have to do with what you just stated? States run >their own elections all the time. It doesn't make them any less a part >of USGenWeb. Ohio was recently denied an election by the EC as well, and >they pulled an election off very quickly and with no trouble at all. >My points are simple: 1. We were told there would be a one year term. 2. >The EC will not favor us with an election until after that term has >ended. 3. So, we need to conduct our own election. We can even use >out-of-state vote counters to pull it off. Which I think is the usual >method for these types of elections. > >--Keith > >Debra Crosby wrote: > > > >>I think it is time that we consider that we are part of the USGenWeb >>and stop thinking that we are just our own separate project. >>That has been our problem, thinking we are not part of the Whole. >> >>Debra >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >>Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:10 AM >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election >> >> >> >>Debra Crosby wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has >>>failed us already. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>Yes, we have. And not holding an election when it is supposed to be held >>is doing things like they were done in the past. It is time we followed >>the rules we have set for ourselves. To do anything other than that >>starts us down another slippery slope. >>If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to >>be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to >>it ourselves. >>I truly hope everyone can see the value in holding our election on time. >> >> >> >> >> >>><snip> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. >> >> >> >> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > >

Keith, with me I think you may have hit the nail on the head. For years it's been "ok we are a national project but you states do what you want to do". I for one am ready to see this organization be more professional. Every state you go to in the project does everything diffently but all claim to be part of one project. Ok that may have worked in this online unprofessional genealogy world for the past five years but where do we want to be for the future. I want to look professional, part of one major project, not a stand alone state project competing with AGHP and every other pop up organization which cares to go online because they are ticked off with the USGenWeb and decide to start their own sites. And that is happening more than I care to think about. I want to be a one stop shop for researchers giving them everything they need for their county so that they don't have to look for other projects who are doing it better. I want us to become professional, ok we are volunteer yes, but volunteer does not mean that we have to be unprofessional and I can only refer you to the red cross organization to point out that they would never put up with volunteers who did not meet their standards. I'm tired of hearing we are volunteers so we can't expect anything, that is bull*hit, if we can't meet the standards then we have no business volunteering. Believe it or not this project has grown larger than just john donated his 10 hours of transcribing so he deserves to sit on a SC position for 10 years with no question. There are 1000's of volunteers now and each and everyone having expectations that their work/time is included in the big picture. It is up to us to grow into one major project so that every single individual is appreciated and no longer ignored. We can do that only by becoming one single unit, one goal and working towards that goal, even if it means getting rid of the volunteer who holds a position to keep their name on a board but never does a thing toward furthering research. The time is coming that we decide are we one unit/one organization? or are we 50 units with however many counties each unit may have, all individuals doing our own thing in one area, while others do it differently. How many of us have worked up our own county pages, only to go researching in another county and think "oh my god, are they really part of this project"? We are growing at an enormous rate right now, you tell me, do you want to be a member of one group or one member in a group of 50? We as a project have to get our act together, if we continue doing things different in each state, we are going to continue to lose respectability that is a guarantee. I am in agreement for making the USGenWeb stronger and not so much worried about guaranteeing the rights of the GAGenWeb SC, I'll probably get blasted for this but it is my opinion. I want to be part of the USGenWeb and not so much worried about seeing that the GAGenWeb remains separate from that project. Debra Crosby -----Original Message----- From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 2:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election Debra, What does my argument have to do with what you just stated? States run their own elections all the time. It doesn't make them any less a part of USGenWeb. Ohio was recently denied an election by the EC as well, and they pulled an election off very quickly and with no trouble at all. My points are simple: 1. We were told there would be a one year term. 2. The EC will not favor us with an election until after that term has ended. 3. So, we need to conduct our own election. We can even use out-of-state vote counters to pull it off. Which I think is the usual method for these types of elections. --Keith Debra Crosby wrote: > I think it is time that we consider that we are part of the USGenWeb >and stop thinking that we are just our own separate project. >That has been our problem, thinking we are not part of the Whole. > >Debra > >-----Original Message----- >From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] >Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:10 AM >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election > > > >Debra Crosby wrote: > > > >>We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has >>failed us already. >> >> >> >Yes, we have. And not holding an election when it is supposed to be held >is doing things like they were done in the past. It is time we followed >the rules we have set for ourselves. To do anything other than that >starts us down another slippery slope. >If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to >be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to >it ourselves. >I truly hope everyone can see the value in holding our election on time. > > > >><snip> >> >> >> >> >> > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information. > > > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information.

I think it is time that we consider that we are part of the USGenWeb and stop thinking that we are just our own separate project. That has been our problem, thinking we are not part of the Whole. Debra -----Original Message----- From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 1:10 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election Debra Crosby wrote: > We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has >failed us already. > Yes, we have. And not holding an election when it is supposed to be held is doing things like they were done in the past. It is time we followed the rules we have set for ourselves. To do anything other than that starts us down another slippery slope. If the EC cannot, or will not, hold our election when it is supposed to be held, then we are obligated to take the bull by the horns and see to it ourselves. I truly hope everyone can see the value in holding our election on time. ><snip> > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== USGenWeb's motto is - Volunteers dedicated to free, on-line information.

I think I will be offended on behalf of ALHN and AHGP members. I was there before I was CC at GAGen. I have been referring people to a private page Genrecords - Genealogy Records Online http://www.genrecords.org/ and I will be glad to stop doing that. Donna Parrish Forsyth County Georgia History and Records http://www.rootsweb.com/~gaforsyt/ associated with ALHN and AHGP In a message dated 6/5/05 9:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: << Subj: RE: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election Date: 6/5/05 9:58:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Debra Crosby) Reply-to: [email protected] To: [email protected] Keith, with me I think you may have hit the nail on the head. For years it's been "ok we are a national project but you states do what you want to do". I for one am ready to see this organization be more professional. Every state you go to in the project does everything diffently but all claim to be part of one project. Ok that may have worked in this online unprofessional genealogy world for the past five years but where do we want to be for the future. I want to look professional, part of one major project, not a stand alone state project competing with AGHP and every other pop up organization which cares to go online because they are ticked off with the USGenWeb and decide to start their own sites. And that is happening more than I care to think about. I want to be a one stop shop for researchers giving them everything they need for their county so that they don't have to look for other projects who are doing it better. I want us to become professional, ok we are volunteer yes, but volunteer does not mean that we have to be unprofessional and I can only refer you to the red cross organization to point out that they would never put up with volunteers who did not meet their standards. I'm tired of hearing we are volunteers so we can't expect anything, that is bull*hit, if we can't meet the standards then we have no business volunteering. Believe it or not this project has grown larger than just john donated his 10 hours of transcribing so he deserves to sit on a SC position for 10 years with no question. There are 1000's of volunteers now and each and everyone having expectations that their work/time is included in the big picture. It is up to us to grow into one major project so that every single individual is appreciated and no longer ignored. We can do that only by becoming one single unit, one goal and working towards that goal, even if it means getting rid of the volunteer who holds a position to keep their name on a board but never does a thing toward furthering research. The time is coming that we decide are we one unit/one organization? or are we 50 units with however many counties each unit may have, all individuals doing our own thing in one area, while others do it differently. How many of us have worked up our own county pages, only to go researching in another county and think "oh my god, are they really part of this project"? We are growing at an enormous rate right now, you tell me, do you want to be a member of one group or one member in a group of 50? We as a project have to get our act together, if we continue doing things different in each state, we are going to continue to lose respectability that is a guarantee. I am in agreement for making the USGenWeb stronger and not so much worried about guaranteeing the rights of the GAGenWeb SC, I'll probably get blasted for this but it is my opinion. I want to be part of the USGenWeb and not so much worried about seeing that the GAGenWeb remains separate from that project. Debra Crosby >>

We have all seen that things that ran "the way we always have in the past" has failed us already. We've already had an EC member state that it wouldn't be a problem and that only the timing is an issue, so I think we should adjust our timing and try something new, let the EC handle the election. Debra Crosby -----Original Message----- From: Keith Giddeon [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 12:37 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAGEN] BIZ SC election Lori, My comments are merely a truth. No offense was intended. In the past, the EC has held state elections concurrently with nationals. I see no reason why it cannot be done now. I know what the EC has to do in this season, I was on the EC. The SC of a state can simply send verified email addresses to the EC and Larry can create a form. Very simple indeed. With that said, however, I feel GA should conduct our own election if that is too much of a burden to the EC. While I enjoy Vivian's leadership in GA I feel her term should be one year as the rules stated last year. If I had been elected as SC last year I would feel the same way. This is not about personalities at all. It is about following the rules we have put in place. --Keith Lori Thornton wrote: >Keith (and all): > >It really is not a problem for the Election Committee >to do an election; however, we are in the midst of our >busiest season. Holding a state election in the midst >of the national election would require all members of >the Election Committee who are also members of >GAGenWeb to be unavailable to do their work on the >national election as we would have to be unsubscribed >from our EC list. Once the national election is over, >there will be no difficulty. I am personally offended >by your remarks! > >Lori Thornton >Franklin and Telfair Counties >AND Election Committee Member > >--- Keith Giddeon <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>Hi Vivian, >>I hate to be the Lone Wolf, but here goes... >> >>You know it never USED to be a problem for the EC to >>do state elections >>at the same time as nationals. I guess the new crew >>is a bit overwhelmed >>by its duties. I don't see why we can't hold an >>election ourselves >>since its such a daunting task for the EC. I'm sure >>we can find some >>fine vols in GA and a couple of out-of-state vols >>for vote counting. You >>have done an outstanding job as SC, and the Lord >>knows I'd sure like to >>see you run again, but many of us fought to get an >>election with the old >>administration and our last election stated a one >>year term of office. I >>think it should be one year for the sake of keeping >>with the rules we >>set forth last year. Tweaking a rule here and there >>is what got us where >>we were with the last administration. >>Since I don't plan to run, I'd be happy to volunteer >>to do anything to >>help an election go forward. Vote counting, form >>building, verifying >>email addresses etc. >> >>Also, I would like to see a few CCs in GA begin >>working on our own >>voting software so we don't have to burden the EC >>with our requests in >>the future. (I can do some PHP programming and know >>others who can help. >>I suspect we could do some testing in less than one >>year.) >> >>--Keith >> >>Michael and Vivian Saffold wrote: >> >> >> >>>It is time to elect a new state coordinator for >>> >>> >>the GAGenWeb Project. >> >> >>>Although I have thoroughly enjoyed my time as SC, >>> >>> >>for job-related >> >> >>>reasons, I will not run for re-election. >>> >>>I took office on 1 August 2004 for an interim >>> >>> >>one-year term. We >> >> >>>anticipated that an election for state coordinator >>> >>> >>could be held along >> >> >>>with the USGenWeb elections this year. However, >>> >>> >>the Elections >> >> >>>Committee tells me it cannot accommodate us at >>> >>> >>this time, but would be >> >> >>>able to do so after the national elections. >>> >>>I need to hear from you on what you would like to >>> >>> >>do: conduct the >> >> >>>election ourselves or wait for the EC. Please let >>> >>> >>me know which you >> >> >>>would prefer. >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Vivian >>> >>> >>> >>>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>>GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: >>>http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >>Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy >>on copyrights at: >> http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html >> >> >> >> > > >Lori Thornton >[email protected] > > > >__________________________________ >Discover Yahoo! >Get on-the-go sports scores, stock quotes, news and more. Check it out! >http://discover.yahoo.com/mobile.html > > >==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== >Confused about Copyrights? Review USGenWeb's policy on copyrights at: > http://www.usgenweb.org/volunteers/copyright.html > > > > > > > ==== GAGEN Mailing List ==== GAGenWeb By-Laws Committee Information Web Site: http://www.rootsweb.com/~gacolqu2/bylaws/

I can understand the importance of all of this to those of you when went through the "holocaust" and came out on the other side. Whether the election happens before or after the National Election, I'm sure it will work out. My only experience with other states is *no* elections, and I've been fortunate to have competent SC's and *years* of peace and quiet. I've never appreciated it as much as I do right now, and I hope they live forever and never retire. :-D I am just amazed and grateful that *anyone* wants the administrative work that these positions entail. Thank you, Vivian, the by-laws committee, and all the Assistant State Coordinators, for a good year in Georgia! Going back to my quiet corner.... Pat Sabin Gwinnett Co GAGenWeb - http://www.oldplaces.org/gwinnettga/