Carol, Yvonne, Nicodemus Thompson b. 1720 d. 1786 Burke Co, Ga Children: Solomon 1745 Jacob 1747 William 3-5-1748 Laban 1751 John 1754 Elijha 1757 Amos 1760 Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia

---- Delores Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hugh Lawson wrote: "I believe the operator of Ehrlich Farms was Mr Leon Ehrlich, brother of Benjamin, who operated the store" > > Several years ago Olivia provided the 1923 directory of Emanuel County businesses. Swainsboro merchants include Morris Subotnick, L. Rosenberg, and Joe Ehrlich. I've heard the name of Joe Ehrlich. I suppose he is the father of Bennie, Leon and I think there was a daughter who lived in Savannah. > I don't recall Morris Subotnick, but I do remember Mr Herman Subotnick, and his brother Aaron. Maybe Morris was their father? The Subotnicks operated a dry goods store at the corner of Green St. and West Main, in the same block of buildings as Elliott's Dept Store.. Mr Herman was a patron of the short-lived Swainsboro Rebels baseball team, which played in the class D (I believe) Ogeechee League, just after WWII. As I recall on the center or right-field fence there was painted a big sign that read, "Hit this sign, win $5, Subotnick's". To me back then five dollars seemed a fortune, and I frequently wondered whether Mr Herman had had to pay up. If this kind of reminiscing is off topic, stop me before I ramble again!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DeloresThompson75 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.georgia.counties.emanuel/1678.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Steve wrote: "My Mom and Dad bought their wedding rings at Stewart's in Swainsboro. Stewart's wife was named Francis. Do you remember this store?" If memory serves, Robert Stewart's wife was Frances Roberts, daughter of Howard Roberts (who is probably of the Roberts family from the Herndon area - a family often often mentioned on this list). Delores Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Here is the information from John Thompson's deed for 200 acres of land in Burke Co Ga dated March 2, 1789: State of Georgia John Thompson Wart 200 acres (Signed) Tho Lewis A.? Dated the 2 of March 1789 Surveyed the 29th of March 1789 for John Thompson (who actually resides in this State) Two Hundred acres of land in Burke County on Beech Branch Soside of Brier Creek - near land of Reubin Thompson. Bound on all sides by Vacant land. Chain Carriers were Rubin Thompson and Wm Hilburn Certified Isaac Perry A? Warranted & Certified October 5th 1789 by R(?) Osborne C.S. There are four plats for John Thompson at the Virtual Vault from 1785 to 1789 in Burke Co Ga. This is the only one to mention Thompson, but notice that Rubin Thompson is one of the chain carriers. Carol

Hugh Lawson wrote: "I believe the operator of Ehrlich Farms was Mr Leon Ehrlich, brother of Benjamin, who operated the store" Several years ago Olivia provided the 1923 directory of Emanuel County businesses. Swainsboro merchants include Morris Subotnick, L. Rosenberg, and Joe Ehrlich. I've heard the name of Joe Ehrlich. I suppose he is the father of Bennie, Leon and I think there was a daughter who lived in Savannah. > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 09:09:06 -0400> From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]> Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Erlich - department store in Swainsboro> > > ---- "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> > > > Author: DeloresThompson75> > Surnames: > > Classification: queries> > > > Message Board URL: > > > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.georgia.counties.emanuel/1678.1/mb.ashx> > > > Message Board Post:> > > > Considering our considerable age difference, I knew Bennie Ehrlich quite well. According to "Emanuel Memories", he was born in 1889 and received a BS from Columbia University in NY. He was co-owner (I believe he had a brother) of Ehrlich's department store on the north side of Court House Square and was often there. The store sold clothing and accessories for men, women and children and was rather stylishly laid out for a small town department store.> > > > He also managed Ehrlich Farms where he bred sheep. He was very active in local civic and fraternal organizations and highly regarded in the community. His bio mentions no wife or children.> > > I believe the operator of Ehrlich Farms was Mr Leon Ehrlich, brother of Benjamin, who operated the store, as I recall. Mr Ben Ehrlich gave me a job one year over Xmas holidays, helping out in the store, for which I was very grateful, being a scholarship boy in college and pretty hard up.> > > Hugh> > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Here is the description of the only plat listed at the Virtual Vault for Stephen Murray: State of Georgia Stephen Murrays Wart. Dated July 5th 1790 150 acres Surveyed the 11th of July 1790 For the D Stephen Murray (who resides in this State) One Hundred & fifty acres of Land in Burke County near Boggy Gut. Soside(?) of Brier. Bound to the North by D. Stephen Murray & Edward Cato to the South by Ogelbee to the SEt by Noah Whidon & Jane Tweedy and to the No Et by John Thompson & Anderson Windsor. Certified Isaac Terry (or Perry?) AS (S or what?) There are some other Murray plats at the website - Dempsey, Timothy, and William. So, there is a John Thompson on this 1790 deed. Is he the "S Thompsons" from the 1796 Reubin Thompson deed? In the upper left corner of the Reubin Thompson deed there is an abbreviation that looks like it could be "Boggy Gut". If so, from comparing the deeds, in 1790 Stephen Murray and John Thompson do not appear to be adjacent landowners. Edward Cato and Anderson Winsdor are between them. But, they could have sold their land to either Thompson or Murray and moved on by 1796. Bo and Yvonne, what do you think? Carol

Bo and Yvonne, I like your explanations, I think it must be "S. Thompsons" on the deed. I wonder who this person was, because most likely he was a relative of Reubin. If we could find the adjoining plats, if they still exist, we might be able to answer the question. I have always thought that Reubin probably arrived in the county with relatives, and Rachel also. Some of the other adjoining landowners, in some of the Thompson and Chambers deeds, were likely kin as well. As to the chain bearer, I think often he was a young strong man of legal age who was a relative or a neighbor. In some deeds it appears that the new property owner could be a chain carrier for his own land, such as Reubin Thompson and Joseph Kimbrel for this deed. Carol

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: c_riner_everett Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.georgia.counties.emanuel/1678.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Stewart's Jewelers is still going strong. It is a lovely store located at 113 N Green Street in Swainsboro. I'm not sure whether they still do it or not, but for many years Stewarts contributed a Longines Wittnauer watch to be presented to the valedictorian of Swainsboro High School. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

From: http://home.lorettotel.net/~lcarchives/landterms.htm "Chain Carrier, C. C., or S. C. C - Surveyor's assistants that handled the measuring chain. Often the chain carrier was a relative of the claimant or a neighbor. The law required that the chain carrier take an oath to the honesty of his work, therefore the chain carrier should have been of legal age. The term "Chain Bearer" is also used. The chain was usually made of wrought iron links and was sixty-six feet in length. The 1806 law required to be used, a chain of two perches of sixteen and one-half feet each or a total length of thirty three feet." I have Emanuel County documents where relatives were the chain carriers. Yvonne <<I wonder if anyone else wondered why a deed would specifically name chain bearers, since today the licensed surveyor is ultimately legally responsible for the accuracy of the survey and his assistants work namelessly under his direction. I found this explanation in the NC Roots archives... "Chain bearers were hired by surveyors or worked in conjunction with them to measure land. Each chain bearer owned his own chain (much like some tradesmen today bring their own tools onto the job.) A good chain bearer was a highly respected and in demand person." Apparently naming specific and respected chain bearers helped authenticate the survey and left less room for challenge. Delores >>

Bo Mosely wrote: "..the Chain bearers were Rubin Thompson and James Hillbourn." I wonder if anyone else wondered why a deed would specifically name chain bearers, since today the licensed surveyor is ultimately legally responsible for the accuracy of the survey and his assistants work namelessly under his direction. I found this explanation in the NC Roots archives... "Chain bearers were hired by surveyors or worked in conjunction with them to measure land. Each chain bearer owned his own chain (much like some tradesmen today bring their own tools onto the job.) A good chain bearer was a highly respected and in demand person." Apparently naming specific and respected chain bearers helped authenticate the survey and left less room for challenge. Delores

Mary Lou wrote: "Do you remember the old wood floors there..and the smell of them?" A lot of buildings including the schools had those plank floors. The caretakers sprinkled them with an oily, granular material then swept them. I suppose it was to keep the dust down and the wood from drying out too much; but you're right, I can still remember that smell. I've often wondered since then if that didn't make them highly flammable as well. Mary Lou wrote: "Mother told me that the men in WWII served with Mr Ehrlich and Mr. Subotnick and had invited them to Swainsboro. They were Jews and were highly respected." In Bennie Ehrlich's bio I found it interesting that he had served as "chairman" of Swainsboro Country Club (many clubs don't even allow Jews to be members). And you're right that they were highly respected. > From: [email protected]> To: [email protected]; [email protected]> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 07:47:08 -0400> Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Erlich - department store in Swainsboro> > Delores,> do you remember the old wood floors there..and the smell of them?> Mother told me that the men in WWII served with MrEhrlich and Mr Subotnick > and had invited them to Swainsboro. They were Jews and were highly > respected.> Mary Lou Flanders Kingry> ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]>> To: <[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:09 PM> Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Erlich - department store in Swainsboro> > > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.> >> > Author: DeloresThompson75> > Surnames:> > Classification: queries> >> > Message Board URL:> >> > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.georgia.counties.emanuel/1678.1/mb.ashx> >> > Message Board Post:> >> > Considering our considerable age difference, I knew Bennie Ehrlich quite > > well. According to "Emanuel Memories", he was born in 1889 and received a > > BS from Columbia University in NY. He was co-owner (I believe he had a > > brother) of Ehrlich's department store on the north side of Court House > > Square and was often there. The store sold clothing and accessories for > > men, women and children and was rather stylishly laid out for a small town > > department store.> >> > He also managed Ehrlich Farms where he bred sheep. He was very active in > > local civic and fraternal organizations and highly regarded in the > > community. His bio mentions no wife or children.> >> > Important Note:> > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > > above and respond on the board.> >> >> >> > Emanuel County GaGenWeb> > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message> >> >> > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message.> > Checked by AVG.> > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1519 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 > > 4:13 PM> >> > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/> -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When I took some genealogy classes the instructor taught us to compare similar letters within the document that were written by the SAME clerk. In the case of Reubin Thompson's deed, there are several capital S's to compare, but there is no word beginning with a capital L. We have to look at other deeds written by the same clerk to see how he wrote his L's. The only other Thompson deed at Virtual Vault recorded in 1796 is Laban Thompson's. It is dated 7 months after Reubin's, but it looks like the same clerk wrote it. The capital S's are formed the same way as in Reubin's deed. Example: Laban's deed - September; Reubin's deed - Survey. The capital L's in Laban's deed have an entirely different formation with a curl in the bottom. The name Laban *looks* like Saban, but we know it's not, because the clerk's capital S's don't have that curl in the bottom. If this were my family I'd feel comfortable transcribing this as "Said Thompson." I've seen other documents where the clerk used "said" after the first instance of writing out the person's name. Yvonne << It does look more like an S to me. But on some of the deeds I have seen some letters that look even more live "S_ that I know were "L's". So I guess right now it's a toss-up.>> <<<Two of Reubin Thompson's deeds can be found at the Virtual Vault website: http://content.sos.state.ga.us/. To find the deeds, click on Headrights and Bounty Grants, and when the page pops up with the search engine, type in the name Thompson. His deeds are on page 2 of Thompson. I would like anyone who is interested to look at the one dated 2-04-1796. Reubin is bordered on one side by a Thompson. It looks sort of like an S - "S Thompsons". However, it could be an L or some other initial.>>> Carol B. Miller

---- "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: DeloresThompson75 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.georgia.counties.emanuel/1678.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Considering our considerable age difference, I knew Bennie Ehrlich quite well. According to "Emanuel Memories", he was born in 1889 and received a BS from Columbia University in NY. He was co-owner (I believe he had a brother) of Ehrlich's department store on the north side of Court House Square and was often there. The store sold clothing and accessories for men, women and children and was rather stylishly laid out for a small town department store. > > He also managed Ehrlich Farms where he bred sheep. He was very active in local civic and fraternal organizations and highly regarded in the community. His bio mentions no wife or children. I believe the operator of Ehrlich Farms was Mr Leon Ehrlich, brother of Benjamin, who operated the store, as I recall. Mr Ben Ehrlich gave me a job one year over Xmas holidays, helping out in the store, for which I was very grateful, being a scholarship boy in college and pretty hard up. Hugh

Delores, do you remember the old wood floors there..and the smell of them? Mother told me that the men in WWII served with MrEhrlich and Mr Subotnick and had invited them to Swainsboro. They were Jews and were highly respected. Mary Lou Flanders Kingry ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 8:09 PM Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Erlich - department store in Swainsboro > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: DeloresThompson75 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.georgia.counties.emanuel/1678.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Considering our considerable age difference, I knew Bennie Ehrlich quite > well. According to "Emanuel Memories", he was born in 1889 and received a > BS from Columbia University in NY. He was co-owner (I believe he had a > brother) of Ehrlich's department store on the north side of Court House > Square and was often there. The store sold clothing and accessories for > men, women and children and was rather stylishly laid out for a small town > department store. > > He also managed Ehrlich Farms where he bred sheep. He was very active in > local civic and fraternal organizations and highly regarded in the > community. His bio mentions no wife or children. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1519 - Release Date: 6/25/2008 > 4:13 PM > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: 73Jazz Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.georgia.counties.emanuel/1678.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Delores, Thank you very much for the information about Bennie Ehrlich. I'm sorry to hear that he has no descendents. My Mom and Dad bought their wedding rings at Stewart's in Swainboro. Stewart's wife was named Francis. Do you remember this store? Thanks, Steve Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DeloresThompson75 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.georgia.counties.emanuel/1678.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Considering our considerable age difference, I knew Bennie Ehrlich quite well. According to "Emanuel Memories", he was born in 1889 and received a BS from Columbia University in NY. He was co-owner (I believe he had a brother) of Ehrlich's department store on the north side of Court House Square and was often there. The store sold clothing and accessories for men, women and children and was rather stylishly laid out for a small town department store. He also managed Ehrlich Farms where he bred sheep. He was very active in local civic and fraternal organizations and highly regarded in the community. His bio mentions no wife or children. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

For what this is worth. The old written "S" looked like an "L" if one wasn't careful. Engravings done today uses the same old "S" especially initials engraved on crystal. The Euporeans still use the old "S". When my father-in-law and family came to America the dock handlers could not find their luggage. It had been stored under the "L". His name was Sandifort but to most people it looked like Landifort. I wish I had an example to show you. Thanks Andy Sims ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Rubin Thompson, 1785 deed, Burke Co Ga Thanks Olivia and Yvonne. Yvonne, It does look more like an S to me. But on some of the deeds I have seen some letters that look even more live "S_ that I know were "L's". So I guess right now it's a toss-up. Unless someone has a good idea who this person might have been. Olivia, In such case, would he be listed on the document as the landowner? Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Olivia Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 11:17 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Rubin Thompson, 1785 deed, Burke Co Ga Carol: He could have been a landowner as a minor, or held interest in an estate that was either inherited or won in a lottery, but the property would have been overseen by a guardian of legal age. Olivia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Miller" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: [GAEMANUE] Rubin Thompson, 1785 deed, Burke Co Ga > There are two plats listed at Crumpton's plats for Rubin Thompson dated > 6-6-1785, located in the Brier Creek area of Burke Co, the area where > Reubin > Thompson, b 1-11-1765, resided. Rubin Thompson is also listed as an > adjacent > landowner on a 7-06-1784 plat. Reubin b 1765 would have been twenty years > old at the time of the 1785 plats, and nineteen at the time of the 1784 > plat. My question is, if Reubin was twenty years old, could he legally > have > been a landowner? > > Carol B. Miller > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Emanuel County GaGenWeb http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Emanuel County GaGenWeb http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bo, I think this is coming together. I think they were connected too. Do you want to contact your researchers? I'm not sure who the main researchers of the Nicodemus line are. I do remember researching his line a bit, and someone mentioned a Kempe connection to a Nicodemus Thompson way back in England. That struck me because of the Kemp connection to Reubin - he supposedly named the Kemp community after a friend. But who knows if this was his line. I also have a new favorite site for researching my families in Maryland. There is a search engine at the Maryland Archives. I learned that there was a family in Maryland with the surname Nicodemus, sometimes spelled Nichodemus. From checking Worldconnect, I found a connection to Frederick Co Md. Just food for thought. It would not be a huge surprise if this family also hails from Maryland! Carol -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Mosley Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:08 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [GAEMANUE] Reubin Thompson Carol, If you lookup the Land Grant for Stephen Murray dated 7-11-1790 the Chain bearers were Rubin Thompson and James Hillbourn. The Murray family and the Nicodemus Thompson family inter married for several generations. William Thompson b. 3-5-1748/40 married Charity Murray b. 6-10-1752 Duplin Co, N.C. Their son Daniel Thompson b. 1778 married Sarah Murray b. 1787 and another son Anthony Murray Thompson married Mary Murray. The Great Great Grandson of Daniel Thompson and Sarah Murray was Hershel Van Buren Thompson that married Katie Thompson the Great granddaughter of Feroby Thompson. This Thompson family lived in The Mt Vernon,Ailey section of Montgomery Co, Ga. I have always been convinced that the Reubin Thompson family of Burke co and the Nicodemus Thompson family were of the same line. I know of two researchers that have a lot of information on Nic Thompson. It may be of help to contact them. Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia Emanuel County GaGenWeb http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol, If you lookup the Land Grant for Stephen Murray dated 7-11-1790 the Chain bearers were Rubin Thompson and James Hillbourn. The Murray family and the Nicodemus Thompson family inter married for several generations. William Thompson b. 3-5-1748/40 married Charity Murray b. 6-10-1752 Duplin Co, N.C. Their son Daniel Thompson b. 1778 married Sarah Murray b. 1787 and another son Anthony Murray Thompson married Mary Murray. The Great Great Grandson of Daniel Thompson and Sarah Murray was Hershel Van Buren Thompson that married Katie Thompson the Great granddaughter of Feroby Thompson. This Thompson family lived in The Mt Vernon,Ailey section of Montgomery Co, Ga. I have always been convinced that the Reubin Thompson family of Burke co and the Nicodemus Thompson family were of the same line. I know of two researchers that have a lot of information on Nic Thompson. It may be of help to contact them. Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia

There are several websites that can help us at deciphering old handwriting. Be sure to scroll down on this page for examples. http://amberskyline.com/treasuremaps/oldhand.html