Olivia.. What you say in the last paragraph about problems with Bible records, etc is, of course, true....but to a limited extent in comparison with just 'hearsay' or passed along errors.... What I was really referring to was govt/court /count and state records in which mistakes are fare more rare..... I know that you know what I mean and that you, yourself, are able to distinguish fact from fiction far more easily than most.......but I just hope people don't read that last paragraph and think that verification doesn't matter at all....... wve -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Olivia & Larry Braddy Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] WEB SITES Problems in Authenticity and LackofCitations This is basically the way I keep my files, too. I never totally disregard something from another researcher, even online, but I do make a note of who it is (if the name or e-mail address is available) and/or where it can be found (the URL). Then if more information comes to light later, that is added, as well. The hope is that somewhere down through the years, possibly by posterity, the facts will present themselves. I must admit I didn't always save my sources, but since so much is now available on the Internet, and we're relying more and more on that vast source rather than doing the footwork ourselves (the old way), I feel we should be more diligent about our notekeeping. Regarding "rare books," I own a few of those and have found many errors in them. After all, they're written by human beings, not God Himself. Bible records are often wrong because the notations are sometimes entered at a much later date than the event, many times by an in-law or someone who just didn't know the facts; this is the same thing that has happened in the death certificates: the information is only as good as the knowledge of the informant. Gravestones, too, are many times in error because they're erected at a later date by someone who doesn't have the facts. Olivia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde Hooks" <[email protected]> To: "wvedenfield" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; "Nancy Crawford" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] WEB SITES Problems in Authenticity and Lack ofCitations >I have found mistakes in everything, tombstones, obituaries, Family > Bibles, all courthouse records, genealogy books, etc. I usually accept > something until someone says differently. Then, I try to resolve the > differences. I'm not always successful. Then, I put a note about the > differences. Too many people believe something because they saw it in a > book. Just because it's written in a Bible doesn't mean that it's as > true as the books of the Bible. Be ready to fight when you tell someone > that what they believe is wrong. > > Clyde > > wvedenfield wrote: > >> I'm amused and embarrassed at the misinterpretation of the phrase >> 'trained historian'................I have degrees in history from the >> University of Georgia (won the top award for exellence in GA/colonial >> history)......the 'training' was on site working in the Georgiana >> Collection (archives, rare books, and manuscripts related to GA >> history) in the UGA library, then as archivist at Virginia Military >> Institute and many years more after that....... >> >> >> >> The 'training' is most effective in the learning of what is called >> 'methodology'...........for instance, that matters written down, in >> these days often 'on line' should be accompanied by citations >> /sources...........without that?? Then many readers will simply >> assume that whatever they see in print on a web site is fact.....and >> then it spreads farther and farther until it grows and becomes deeply >> established " fact" and difficult to correct or to stop.... >> >> >> >> This has grown out of control with the computer age. >> >> >> >> No method for differentiating a known, proven (by sources, documents) >> fact when entered on line from a date or a name passed along in >> print with no citation. >> >> >> >> How to fix this? I've been told that it's not a real problem....."We >> want everyone to put in what they know...."........that doesn't hold >> water because most readers accept outright whatever they see in >> print...............and then spread it >> >> >> >> Even historic organizations with excellent programs and intentions >> often don't realize this. There is a marker at Hawhammock Church >> commemorating the revolutionary service of Daniel Boatright. It is a >> handsome monument and a source of pride for all of his descendants. >> But it is not worded to make clear that he is not actually buried >> there. Since that monument was erected numerous writings have stated >> that DB is buried at Hawhammock. >> >> >> >> How to improve and strengthen family history shared and researche on >> the web? Perhaps those writing could use formatting to differentiate >> what they can back with citations (from documents) from what they have >> seen in writing or heard but cannot back up......for instance italics >> for the latter. >> >> >> >> There is going to be a tremendous problem with incorrect family >> history as years go by..... >> >> >> >> V. Edenfield >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Mosley >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:36 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright >> >> >> >> I would be interested in what it takes to be a history trainer and is it >> >> the same trainer for genealogy. Where are they located and what >> classes do >> >> they offer? >> >> Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Olivia & Larry Braddy" <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:44 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright >> >> >> >> >> >>> Who was your trainer? I might be interested in procuring their services. >> >>> Olivia >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> [V. Edenfield] >> >>>> >> >>>> Are you a descendant? I am....and am a trained historian........pls >>>> ask >> >>>> for >> >>>> documentation before accepting as fact any 'posting' on the web!> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Emanuel County GaGenWeb >> >>> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >>> Checked by AVG. >> >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: >> 8/1/2008 >> >>> 6:39 AM >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Emanuel County GaGenWeb >> >> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: >> 8/1/2008 6:39 AM >> > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Emanuel County GaGenWeb http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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FROM V. EDENFIELD I didn't suggest that participants not put into their web entries dates, names, places they had as 'hearsay' or 'tradition'...................only that some DISTINCTION BE MADE BETWEEN THOSE AND RESEARCHED AND DOCUMENTED FACTS.........surely someone could propose an easy method............. For instance, historic organizations (DAR, SAR, etc) require documentation......................if a clear distinction was made in online information between facts with documents backing them up and 'hearsay' (in which I include undocumented info online just picked up and passed along without questioning) .....all would be much clearer and stronger for future generations.... For instance, my own grandmother's name and dates of birth and death have been entered incorrectly by someone...............I will correct that but will do so with notes to verify.... WVE -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Olivia & Larry Braddy Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 8:58 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] WEB SITES Problems in Authenticity and LackofCitations This is basically the way I keep my files, too. I never totally disregard something from another researcher, even online, but I do make a note of who it is (if the name or e-mail address is available) and/or where it can be found (the URL). Then if more information comes to light later, that is added, as well. The hope is that somewhere down through the years, possibly by posterity, the facts will present themselves. I must admit I didn't always save my sources, but since so much is now available on the Internet, and we're relying more and more on that vast source rather than doing the footwork ourselves (the old way), I feel we should be more diligent about our notekeeping. Regarding "rare books," I own a few of those and have found many errors in them. After all, they're written by human beings, not God Himself. Bible records are often wrong because the notations are sometimes entered at a much later date than the event, many times by an in-law or someone who just didn't know the facts; this is the same thing that has happened in the death certificates: the information is only as good as the knowledge of the informant. Gravestones, too, are many times in error because they're erected at a later date by someone who doesn't have the facts. Olivia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clyde Hooks" <[email protected]> To: "wvedenfield" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; "Nancy Crawford" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] WEB SITES Problems in Authenticity and Lack ofCitations >I have found mistakes in everything, tombstones, obituaries, Family > Bibles, all courthouse records, genealogy books, etc. I usually accept > something until someone says differently. Then, I try to resolve the > differences. I'm not always successful. Then, I put a note about the > differences. Too many people believe something because they saw it in a > book. Just because it's written in a Bible doesn't mean that it's as > true as the books of the Bible. Be ready to fight when you tell someone > that what they believe is wrong. > > Clyde > > wvedenfield wrote: > >> I'm amused and embarrassed at the misinterpretation of the phrase >> 'trained historian'................I have degrees in history from the >> University of Georgia (won the top award for exellence in GA/colonial >> history)......the 'training' was on site working in the Georgiana >> Collection (archives, rare books, and manuscripts related to GA >> history) in the UGA library, then as archivist at Virginia Military >> Institute and many years more after that....... >> >> >> >> The 'training' is most effective in the learning of what is called >> 'methodology'...........for instance, that matters written down, in >> these days often 'on line' should be accompanied by citations >> /sources...........without that?? Then many readers will simply >> assume that whatever they see in print on a web site is fact.....and >> then it spreads farther and farther until it grows and becomes deeply >> established " fact" and difficult to correct or to stop.... >> >> >> >> This has grown out of control with the computer age. >> >> >> >> No method for differentiating a known, proven (by sources, documents) >> fact when entered on line from a date or a name passed along in >> print with no citation. >> >> >> >> How to fix this? I've been told that it's not a real problem....."We >> want everyone to put in what they know...."........that doesn't hold >> water because most readers accept outright whatever they see in >> print...............and then spread it >> >> >> >> Even historic organizations with excellent programs and intentions >> often don't realize this. There is a marker at Hawhammock Church >> commemorating the revolutionary service of Daniel Boatright. It is a >> handsome monument and a source of pride for all of his descendants. >> But it is not worded to make clear that he is not actually buried >> there. Since that monument was erected numerous writings have stated >> that DB is buried at Hawhammock. >> >> >> >> How to improve and strengthen family history shared and researche on >> the web? Perhaps those writing could use formatting to differentiate >> what they can back with citations (from documents) from what they have >> seen in writing or heard but cannot back up......for instance italics >> for the latter. >> >> >> >> There is going to be a tremendous problem with incorrect family >> history as years go by..... >> >> >> >> V. Edenfield >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Mosley >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:36 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright >> >> >> >> I would be interested in what it takes to be a history trainer and is it >> >> the same trainer for genealogy. Where are they located and what >> classes do >> >> they offer? >> >> Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Olivia & Larry Braddy" <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:44 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright >> >> >> >> >> >>> Who was your trainer? I might be interested in procuring their services. >> >>> Olivia >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> [V. Edenfield] >> >>>> >> >>>> Are you a descendant? I am....and am a trained historian........pls >>>> ask >> >>>> for >> >>>> documentation before accepting as fact any 'posting' on the web!> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> Emanuel County GaGenWeb >> >>> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >>> Checked by AVG. >> >>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: >> 8/1/2008 >> >>> 6:39 AM >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> Emanuel County GaGenWeb >> >> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> >> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >> >> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: >> 8/1/2008 6:39 AM >> > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Emanuel County GaGenWeb http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. 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The following obituary was in the Orlando Sentinel Monday, August 04, 2008. Allen E. Edenfield EDENFIELD, ALLEN E., 63, of Mount Dora, passed away Sunday, August 3, 2008. Allen was born in Metter, GA, on November 11, 1944 to M.R. Edenfield and Tressie V. Rewis. He moved to Mount Dora from Georgia in 1948, and was a warehouse manager for Mid-Florida Freezer of Plymouth, FL, for 30 years. Allen is survived by his wife, Suzanne Broome Edenfield of Mount Dora; his son, Tyrone Edenfield; his two daughters, Becky Beaver and Loretta Edenfield; his sister, Margaret Copeland; his two step-sons, Charlie Adkison and Justin Witnauer; his two step-daughters, Shawn Adkison and Lisa Adkison; his five grandchildren; and five step-grandchildren. Visitation will be held on Tuesday, August 5, 2008, from 5-7PM at the Allen J. Harden Funeral Home. 1800 N. Donnelly St., Mount Dora. Funeral services will be held at the funeral home on Wednesday, August 6, 2008, at 11AM with Rev. Ron Holder officiating. Interment will follow in the Pine Forest Cemetery in Mount Dora.

John: They're just up for the first 10 years. Olivia http://content.sos.state.ga.us/cdm4/gadeaths.php ----- Original Message ----- From: "John [big J] Chears" <[email protected]> To: "Emanuel County" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: [GAEMANUE] E-Mail address for Ga Sec of State for death certs > *Would a list member be so kind as to give the email address fro the Sec > of > State for digital death certificates. Thanks in advance, John in > Missouri* > > -- > If God is your co-pilot, then switch seats. > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

*Olivia, Thanks very much, 'happy diggin' John * On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Olivia & Larry Braddy <[email protected]>wrote: > John: They're just up for the first 10 years. Olivia > http://content.sos.state.ga.us/cdm4/gadeaths.php > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John [big J] Chears" <[email protected]> > To: "Emanuel County" <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:40 PM > Subject: [GAEMANUE] E-Mail address for Ga Sec of State for death certs > > > > *Would a list member be so kind as to give the email address fro the Sec > > of > > State for digital death certificates. Thanks in advance, John in > > Missouri* > > > > -- > > If God is your co-pilot, then switch seats. > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- If God is your co-pilot, then switch seats.

*Would a list member be so kind as to give the email address fro the Sec of State for digital death certificates. Thanks in advance, John in Missouri* -- If God is your co-pilot, then switch seats.

Thank you, Marilyn. This is just another example that what we think is documentation of our records doesn't always turn out to be factual. I've seen many errors in these death certificates. Olivia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn and Rob Lear" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 4:01 PM Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Muriel Christian > Olivia, Denise and others, > > I know about the person you mentioned below. Muriel Christian was the > WIFE > of Hewitt Christian. There is an error on the death certificate, as > Hewitt's name is given as both spouse and father! Hewitt was the brother > of > my grandmother Grace CHRISTIAN THOMPSON, so he was my great uncle. The > John Christian and Martha "Mattie" Maxwell Christian family moved from > the > Elberton area around 1903 to Emanuel County. Muriel's maiden name was > STEPHENS. I don't know her father's name but she lived with her mother > Susie ______ and stepfather Francis M. SMITH in 1910 Emanuel County > Census. > I have not found that Hewitt ever remarried and know of no children. He > died in February 1971, last lived in Midville, Emanuel County, and is > buried > at Ebenezer. > > Marilyn > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Olivia & Larry Braddy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:57 AM > Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Sudie DURDEN > > >> Denise: >> Were they divorced? I don't know if this is the same person, but the age >> seems about right; I got this from the Virtual Vault death certificates: >> >> Muriel or Merrell May CHRISTIAN, b. February 04, 1901, Emanuel Co., GA; >> d. >> April 18, 1924, Emanuel Co. (of pneumonia); buried Mt. Zion Church Cem., >> Emanuel Co.; d/o Hewette CHRISTIAN, b. in Washington Co., & Sudie DURDEN, >> b. >> in Emanuel Co. >> >> Olivia >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Denise Wells" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:48 PM >> Subject: [GAEMANUE] Sudie DURDEN >> >> >> Does anyone have information about Sudie DURDEN? Who were her parents? >> Siblings? May have been from Georgia or Florida. According to family >> history, she was the first wife of Will GOFF, son of William Green GOFF >> and >> Jane FAIRCLOTH. Sudie and Will had a son, Willie, who used his >> grandmother' >> s FAIRCLOTH surname. >> >> Appreciate any information. >> >> Denise >> >> Denise Lindsey Wells >> [email protected] >> 703-241-2549 (h) >> 703-507-6703 (c) >> >> Emanuel County GaGenWeb >> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> Emanuel County GaGenWeb >> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Olivia, Denise and others, I know about the person you mentioned below. Muriel Christian was the WIFE of Hewitt Christian. There is an error on the death certificate, as Hewitt's name is given as both spouse and father! Hewitt was the brother of my grandmother Grace CHRISTIAN THOMPSON, so he was my great uncle. The John Christian and Martha "Mattie" Maxwell Christian family moved from the Elberton area around 1903 to Emanuel County. Muriel's maiden name was STEPHENS. I don't know her father's name but she lived with her mother Susie ______ and stepfather Francis M. SMITH in 1910 Emanuel County Census. I have not found that Hewitt ever remarried and know of no children. He died in February 1971, last lived in Midville, Emanuel County, and is buried at Ebenezer. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivia & Larry Braddy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 7:57 AM Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Sudie DURDEN > Denise: > Were they divorced? I don't know if this is the same person, but the age > seems about right; I got this from the Virtual Vault death certificates: > > Muriel or Merrell May CHRISTIAN, b. February 04, 1901, Emanuel Co., GA; d. > April 18, 1924, Emanuel Co. (of pneumonia); buried Mt. Zion Church Cem., > Emanuel Co.; d/o Hewette CHRISTIAN, b. in Washington Co., & Sudie DURDEN, > b. > in Emanuel Co. > > Olivia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Denise Wells" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:48 PM > Subject: [GAEMANUE] Sudie DURDEN > > > Does anyone have information about Sudie DURDEN? Who were her parents? > Siblings? May have been from Georgia or Florida. According to family > history, she was the first wife of Will GOFF, son of William Green GOFF > and > Jane FAIRCLOTH. Sudie and Will had a son, Willie, who used his > grandmother' > s FAIRCLOTH surname. > > Appreciate any information. > > Denise > > Denise Lindsey Wells > [email protected] > 703-241-2549 (h) > 703-507-6703 (c) > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

May be of help to someone. Caswell Edenfield b. Jan 1862 Emanuel Co, Ga died 1939 in Wayne County, Georgia, buried Bethesda Primitive Baptist Cemetery. Married 9-11-1890 Tattnall Co, Ga Nancy Brannen b. Mar 1860. Their son Joseph Clyde Edenfield b. 10-25-1895 d. 6-18-1959 Wayne Co, Ga married Shelley Mosley b. 11-29-1901 Montgomery Co, Ga d. 7-13-1969 Wayne Co, Ga. Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia

Thanks, Clyde, I'll take all the help I can get! Never know when a "tidbit" will lead to a break-through. Thanks to encouragement and tidbits by folks on this list, I've recently found in Florida, GOFF/FAIRCLOTH cousins I've been searching for, for 5 years! Willie FAIRCLOTH (GOFF) was one I didn't know about! So appreciate any tidbits about Willie FAIRCLOTH, Will GOFF (his father), Sudie DURDEN (his mother), or Paul FAIRCLOTH (his son) that anyone of the list may have. Denise Denise Lindsey Wells [email protected] 703-241-2549 (h) 703-507-6703 (c) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Clyde Hooks Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 1:49 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] RINER - EDENFIELD - COPELAND - FAIRCLOTH - GOFF - DURDEN - JOHNS You didn't ask about the others, so I'll tell you a bit. Rolly, later known as "Big Rollie" was the son of Daniel Elijah and Elizabeth Virginia "Eliza" (Johnson) Riner. Mary M. Edenfield was the sister of Rolly and the widow of Clarence Edenfield, who died in 1912. Adele Copeland was the daughter of Clarence and Mary. She had married first Leon Copeland. Their daughter was Margaret. I was told that Leon had deserted Adele and Margaret. I have not had the opportunity to look at the 1930 census and I appreciate getting these tidbits. I know nothing about Willie Faircloth. Clyde Hooks Denise Wells wrote: >Who is Willie FAIRCLOTH, 22 yo boarder, in the 1930 Emanuel Co census, >Swainsboro City, with Rolly RINER, head; Mary M. EDENFIELD, sister; Adele >COPELAND, niece; and Margaret L., gr-niece? Might he be the son of Will >GOFF and Sudie DURDEN? > >...or is this Willie the 15 yo son of Amos J. and Nettie FAIRCLOTH as >enumerated in the 1920 census for Emanuel Co.? > >...or is this Willie the 10 yo son of Horace and Sudie JOHNS as enumerated in >the 1920 census for Emanuel Co.? Did Sudie DURDEN marry (1) Will GOFF and >(2) Horace JOHNS? > >Thanks for any insights. >Denise > >Denise Lindsey Wells >[email protected] >703-241-2549 (h) >703-507-6703 (c) > >Emanuel County GaGenWeb >http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You didn't ask about the others, so I'll tell you a bit. Rolly, later known as "Big Rollie" was the son of Daniel Elijah and Elizabeth Virginia "Eliza" (Johnson) Riner. Mary M. Edenfield was the sister of Rolly and the widow of Clarence Edenfield, who died in 1912. Adele Copeland was the daughter of Clarence and Mary. She had married first Leon Copeland. Their daughter was Margaret. I was told that Leon had deserted Adele and Margaret. I have not had the opportunity to look at the 1930 census and I appreciate getting these tidbits. I know nothing about Willie Faircloth. Clyde Hooks Denise Wells wrote: >Who is Willie FAIRCLOTH, 22 yo boarder, in the 1930 Emanuel Co census, >Swainsboro City, with Rolly RINER, head; Mary M. EDENFIELD, sister; Adele >COPELAND, niece; and Margaret L., gr-niece? Might he be the son of Will >GOFF and Sudie DURDEN? > >…or is this Willie the 15 yo son of Amos J. and Nettie FAIRCLOTH as >enumerated in the 1920 census for Emanuel Co.? > >…or is this Willie the 10 yo son of Horace and Sudie JOHNS as enumerated in >the 1920 census for Emanuel Co.? Did Sudie DURDEN marry (1) Will GOFF and >(2) Horace JOHNS? > >Thanks for any insights. >Denise > >Denise Lindsey Wells >[email protected] >703-241-2549 (h) >703-507-6703 (c) > >Emanuel County GaGenWeb >http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Denise: Were they divorced? I don't know if this is the same person, but the age seems about right; I got this from the Virtual Vault death certificates: Muriel or Merrell May CHRISTIAN, b. February 04, 1901, Emanuel Co., GA; d. April 18, 1924, Emanuel Co. (of pneumonia); buried Mt. Zion Church Cem., Emanuel Co.; d/o Hewette CHRISTIAN, b. in Washington Co., & Sudie DURDEN, b. in Emanuel Co. Olivia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Wells" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: [GAEMANUE] Sudie DURDEN Does anyone have information about Sudie DURDEN? Who were her parents? Siblings? May have been from Georgia or Florida. According to family history, she was the first wife of Will GOFF, son of William Green GOFF and Jane FAIRCLOTH. Sudie and Will had a son, Willie, who used his grandmother' s FAIRCLOTH surname. Appreciate any information. Denise Denise Lindsey Wells [email protected] 703-241-2549 (h) 703-507-6703 (c) Emanuel County GaGenWeb http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Who is Willie FAIRCLOTH, 22 yo boarder, in the 1930 Emanuel Co census, Swainsboro City, with Rolly RINER, head; Mary M. EDENFIELD, sister; Adele COPELAND, niece; and Margaret L., gr-niece? Might he be the son of Will GOFF and Sudie DURDEN? …or is this Willie the 15 yo son of Amos J. and Nettie FAIRCLOTH as enumerated in the 1920 census for Emanuel Co.? …or is this Willie the 10 yo son of Horace and Sudie JOHNS as enumerated in the 1920 census for Emanuel Co.? Did Sudie DURDEN marry (1) Will GOFF and (2) Horace JOHNS? Thanks for any insights. Denise Denise Lindsey Wells [email protected] 703-241-2549 (h) 703-507-6703 (c)

Does anyone have information about Sudie DURDEN? Who were her parents? Siblings? May have been from Georgia or Florida. According to family history, she was the first wife of Will GOFF, son of William Green GOFF and Jane FAIRCLOTH. Sudie and Will had a son, Willie, who used his grandmother’ s FAIRCLOTH surname. Appreciate any information. Denise Denise Lindsey Wells [email protected] 703-241-2549 (h) 703-507-6703 (c)

I have found mistakes in everything, tombstones, obituaries, Family Bibles, all courthouse records, genealogy books, etc. I usually accept something until someone says differently. Then, I try to resolve the differences. I'm not always successful. Then, I put a note about the differences. Too many people believe something because they saw it in a book. Just because it's written in a Bible doesn't mean that it's as true as the books of the Bible. Be ready to fight when you tell someone that what they believe is wrong. Clyde wvedenfield wrote: > I'm amused and embarrassed at the misinterpretation of the phrase > 'trained historian'................I have degrees in history from the > University of Georgia (won the top award for exellence in GA/colonial > history)......the 'training' was on site working in the Georgiana > Collection (archives, rare books, and manuscripts related to GA > history) in the UGA library, then as archivist at Virginia Military > Institute and many years more after that....... > > > > The 'training' is most effective in the learning of what is called > 'methodology'...........for instance, that matters written down, in > these days often 'on line' should be accompanied by citations > /sources...........without that?? Then many readers will simply > assume that whatever they see in print on a web site is fact.....and > then it spreads farther and farther until it grows and becomes deeply > established " fact" and difficult to correct or to stop.... > > > > This has grown out of control with the computer age. > > > > No method for differentiating a known, proven (by sources, documents) > fact when entered on line from a date or a name passed along in > print with no citation. > > > > How to fix this? I've been told that it's not a real problem....."We > want everyone to put in what they know...."........that doesn't hold > water because most readers accept outright whatever they see in > print...............and then spread it > > > > Even historic organizations with excellent programs and intentions > often don't realize this. There is a marker at Hawhammock Church > commemorating the revolutionary service of Daniel Boatright. It is a > handsome monument and a source of pride for all of his descendants. > But it is not worded to make clear that he is not actually buried > there. Since that monument was erected numerous writings have stated > that DB is buried at Hawhammock. > > > > How to improve and strengthen family history shared and researche on > the web? Perhaps those writing could use formatting to differentiate > what they can back with citations (from documents) from what they have > seen in writing or heard but cannot back up......for instance italics > for the latter. > > > > There is going to be a tremendous problem with incorrect family > history as years go by..... > > > > V. Edenfield > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Mosley > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright > > > > I would be interested in what it takes to be a history trainer and is it > > the same trainer for genealogy. Where are they located and what > classes do > > they offer? > > Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Olivia & Larry Braddy" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright > > > > > >> Who was your trainer? I might be interested in procuring their services. > >> Olivia > >> > >>> > >> > >> [V. Edenfield] > >>> > >>> Are you a descendant? I am....and am a trained historian........pls ask > >>> for > >>> documentation before accepting as fact any 'posting' on the web!> > >>> > >> > >> > >> Emanuel County GaGenWeb > >> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG. > >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: > 8/1/2008 > >> 6:39 AM > >> > >> > > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: > 8/1/2008 6:39 AM >

Well said, and I apologize if I offended you about being a trained historian. You certainly have the earned degrees in your field of history as well as job experience. The study of Genealogy comes in many forms. I have been active in this area for about 48 years and yes i am in my early 70's. You are absolutely correct that when someone submits their version to roots web or some other site it becomes fact with no documentation. In the early days before any census records were available except the 1850 the only source was the County Courthouse records, Family Bibles, ( which were not always correct) Cemetery Records, if you could find the Cemetery and then the Family Members. The Family members always knew about their lineage. They descended from four brothers that came to America from England and one remained in the North, two went West and one came South thru North Carolina to Georgia and married a Indian Princess. ( it was good to have Indian blood) Then there was the disagreements between families which became real when they met and started killing each other. Try as you may and the real reason for the feud has many answers, none factual. This was the case in the Mosley, Williamson feud in 1855. We will never know the real reason, but ask any Mosley or Williamson and they have the answer. In this day of on line records and research it becomes the duty of all of us to view postings as they are and then we must document them or discard them. I would encourage all to post their records in hopes that someone may see those postings and tie their line to it. Then the documentation can start. If we wait for all postings to be documented and added to the posting it will stop a large amount of on line genealogy, some correct and some not. Keep on posting, I read every one in hopes that I can connect one of my lines. Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "wvedenfield" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: "Nancy Crawford" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: [GAEMANUE] WEB SITES Problems in Authenticity and Lack of Citations > I'm amused and embarrassed at the misinterpretation of the phrase 'trained > historian'................I have degrees in history from the University of > Georgia (won the top award for exellence in GA/colonial history)......the > 'training' was on site working in the Georgiana Collection (archives, rare > books, and manuscripts related to GA history) in the UGA library, then as > archivist at Virginia Military Institute and many years more after > that....... > > > > The 'training' is most effective in the learning of what is called > 'methodology'...........for instance, that matters written down, in these > days often 'on line' should be accompanied by citations > /sources...........without that?? Then many readers will simply assume > that > whatever they see in print on a web site is fact.....and then it spreads > farther and farther until it grows and becomes deeply established " fact" > and difficult to correct or to stop.... > > > > This has grown out of control with the computer age. > > > > No method for differentiating a known, proven (by sources, documents) fact > when entered on line from a date or a name passed along in print with no > citation. > > > > How to fix this? I've been told that it's not a real problem....."We want > everyone to put in what they know...."........that doesn't hold water > because most readers accept outright whatever they see in > print...............and then spread it > > > > Even historic organizations with excellent programs and intentions often > don't realize this. There is a marker at Hawhammock Church commemorating > the revolutionary service of Daniel Boatright. It is a handsome monument > and a source of pride for all of his descendants. But it is not worded > to > make clear that he is not actually buried there. Since that monument was > erected numerous writings have stated that DB is buried at Hawhammock. > > > > How to improve and strengthen family history shared and researche on the > web? Perhaps those writing could use formatting to differentiate what > they > can back with citations (from documents) from what they have seen in > writing > or heard but cannot back up......for instance italics for the latter. > > > > There is going to be a tremendous problem with incorrect family history as > years go by..... > > > > V. Edenfield > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Bo Mosley > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:36 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright > > > > I would be interested in what it takes to be a history trainer and is it > > the same trainer for genealogy. Where are they located and what classes do > > they offer? > > Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Olivia & Larry Braddy" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:44 PM > > Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright > > > > > >> Who was your trainer? I might be interested in procuring their services. > >> Olivia > >> > >>> > >> > >> [V. Edenfield] > >>> > >>> Are you a descendant? I am....and am a trained historian........pls ask > >>> for > >>> documentation before accepting as fact any 'posting' on the web!> > >>> > >> > >> > >> Emanuel County GaGenWeb > >> http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> -- > >> No virus found in this incoming message. > >> Checked by AVG. > >> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 > >> 6:39 AM > >> > >> > > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 > 6:39 AM > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 > 6:39 AM > >

I'm amused and embarrassed at the misinterpretation of the phrase 'trained historian'................I have degrees in history from the University of Georgia (won the top award for exellence in GA/colonial history)......the 'training' was on site working in the Georgiana Collection (archives, rare books, and manuscripts related to GA history) in the UGA library, then as archivist at Virginia Military Institute and many years more after that....... The 'training' is most effective in the learning of what is called 'methodology'...........for instance, that matters written down, in these days often 'on line' should be accompanied by citations /sources...........without that?? Then many readers will simply assume that whatever they see in print on a web site is fact.....and then it spreads farther and farther until it grows and becomes deeply established " fact" and difficult to correct or to stop.... This has grown out of control with the computer age. No method for differentiating a known, proven (by sources, documents) fact when entered on line from a date or a name passed along in print with no citation. How to fix this? I've been told that it's not a real problem....."We want everyone to put in what they know...."........that doesn't hold water because most readers accept outright whatever they see in print...............and then spread it Even historic organizations with excellent programs and intentions often don't realize this. There is a marker at Hawhammock Church commemorating the revolutionary service of Daniel Boatright. It is a handsome monument and a source of pride for all of his descendants. But it is not worded to make clear that he is not actually buried there. Since that monument was erected numerous writings have stated that DB is buried at Hawhammock. How to improve and strengthen family history shared and researche on the web? Perhaps those writing could use formatting to differentiate what they can back with citations (from documents) from what they have seen in writing or heard but cannot back up......for instance italics for the latter. There is going to be a tremendous problem with incorrect family history as years go by..... V. Edenfield -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bo Mosley Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 3:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright I would be interested in what it takes to be a history trainer and is it the same trainer for genealogy. Where are they located and what classes do they offer? Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivia & Larry Braddy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright > Who was your trainer? I might be interested in procuring their services. > Olivia > >> > > [V. Edenfield] >> >> Are you a descendant? I am....and am a trained historian........pls ask >> for >> documentation before accepting as fact any 'posting' on the web!> >> > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 > 6:39 AM > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 6:39 AM

Can anyone give me some information on this story? It happened 25 or 30 ago near Swainsboro. An above-the-ground coffin containing the remains of a beautiful young woman--as I remember it, she was the wife of a local doctor--was broken into by vandals. The coffin then showed up in Swainsboro at a well-known antiques store, and that's when the law got involved. I just want to know the name of the cemetery and the name of the deceased and her husband if anyone remembers that. The coffin was glass over the top and the girl's body could be viewed at any time in the cemetery, but when it opened, everything inside collapsed. This was the story I heard, or read; I did not see any of it. Your help is appreciated. Olivia

I would be interested in what it takes to be a history trainer and is it the same trainer for genealogy. Where are they located and what classes do they offer? Bo Mosley of Macon, Georgia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivia & Larry Braddy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 01, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [GAEMANUE] Margaret Braswell, wife of Daniel Boatwright > Who was your trainer? I might be interested in procuring their services. > Olivia > >> > > [V. Edenfield] >> >> Are you a descendant? I am....and am a trained historian........pls ask >> for >> documentation before accepting as fact any 'posting' on the web!> >> > > > Emanuel County GaGenWeb > http://www.thegagenweb.com/gaemanuel/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1585 - Release Date: 8/1/2008 > 6:39 AM > >

Who was your trainer? I might be interested in procuring their services. Olivia > [V. Edenfield] > > Are you a descendant? I am....and am a trained historian........pls ask > for > documentation before accepting as fact any 'posting' on the web!> >