----- Original Message ----- From: <GACRAWFO-L-request@rootsweb.com> To: <margie@majorinternet.net> Cc: <GACRAWFO-admin@lists6.rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 4:57 PM Subject: Re: CV Mar 1911 union > >From GACRAWFO-L-request@rootsweb.com > > > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0223_01C0391A.7A8D7E00 > > Content-Type: text/plain; > > charset="Windows-1252" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > Confederate Veteran March 1911 > > > SENTIMENT OF A UNION VETERAN. > > > BY PRIVATE THAYER, PRIVATE 51ST INDIANA VOLUNTEER INFANTRY. > > > About a year ago I first saw a copy of the CONFEDERATE VETERAN in our = > > State Library in Indianapolis. I became interested in the magazine and = > > subscribed for it. I now renew. The VETERAN is to be commended for its = > > success in keeping the present generation correctly informed on the = > > causes that precipitated our Civil War, the enduring loyalty of the = > > Confederate armies, and their splendid achievements. It is good too to = > > read of the effective and successful work being done by the Daughters of = > > the Confederacy, as set forth in the VETERAN, to erect throughout the = > > Southland memorials and monuments to perpetuate the fame of their = > > Spartan soldiers. > > > As surely as "truth crushed to earth shall rise again" will those who = > > record historic truths and who perpetuate the memory of heroes in blocks = > > of stone be classed among such immortals as Jefferson Davis and the = > > great souls who led the armies of the Confederacy to victory on many a = > > stubborn battlefield in defense of the people of the seceding States in = > > the rights that were theirs under the Constitution rights that would = > > have been denied them had they remained in the Union. Surely it was a = > > cause for which it was a great honor to fight and fail than not to fight = > > at all. > > > I have been a member of George H. Thomas Post, No. 17, G. A. R., of = > > Indianapolis. It is the most prominent Post in Indiana, having a = > > membership of about three hundred. Benjamin Harrison and many other = > > noted officers of the Union army, now dead, were members. Capt. William = > > A. Ketcham, a member of the Thomas Post, introduced the resolution in = > > the recent national G. A. R. Encampment at Atlantic City to have Lee's = > > statue removed from the Hall of Fame at Washington and the profile of = > > Jefferson Davis removed from the battle ship Mississippi. I rejoice for = > > my country, and especially do I rejoice with the people of the South, = > > that the rational Encampment had the patriotism to turn down this = > > measure. It confirms that open rebellion is not treason, it is the right = > > of a free people to war against despotism.=20 > > I was present when the Ketcham resolution was acted on in the Post, but = > > became disgusted with a class of G. A. R. comrades who persistently = > > schemed to induce the G. A. R. to indorse measures denouncing the people = > > of the South, all this in face of the fact that during the history of = > > our country our government has never once had occasion to inflict the = > > death penalty for treason. During our great Civil War neither the North = > > nor the South developed a traitor in the sense that Benedict Arnold = > > proved himself a traitor. I applied for and received an honorable = > > discharge from the order. I regretted the necessity that moved me to = > > such action, for I have ever entertained a profound regard and affection = > > for my comrades of the Union army. All who receive the baptism of fire = > > in battle are close akin. > > > I was born seventy five years ago in Pickensville, Pickens County, S. = > > C., and my mother, Harriet Caroline Osborne, was born and brought up in = > > the same locality, while her mother was born in Virginia. In view of = > > this statement, if I am asked how I happened to serve in the Union army = > > against my native State, I answer: I and two of my brothers believed = > > that the war was to be prosecuted by the Lincoln administration to = > > preserve the Constitution and the Union as bequeathed to posterity by = > > our fathers. Believing this, we volunteered into the Union army and = > > served full terms, and all three were on the firing line in a number of = > > the hardest fought battles. The Union was saved, but the Constitution = > > got so badly disfigured that old Tom Jefferson wouldn't know his own = > > child. > > WHAT OTHER NORTHERNERS THINK. > > > In a spirit of "friendly criticism" R. I. Holcombe, a sub scriber to the = > > VETERAN, writes from St. Paul, Minn.: > > > I like the VETERAN very much and greatly enjoy reading every article. Of = > > course as a former Union soldier I don't indorse many of the sentiments = > > expressed, but I 'don't have to' in order to be thoroughly interested. = > > Some of the articles remind me of the scoldings we used to get during = > > the war in Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia from the ladies and other = > > noncombatants, and even from prisoners. There was a strenuously = > > expressed declaration that the Confederacy was sure to succeed, and now = > > I note that many of its defenders are stoutly asserting that in effect = > > it did succeed. The Yankees were licked in every battle, and when the = > > Confederates retreated, it was because they were worn out and exhausted = > > from pounding the poor, miserable Union troops. =20 > > > > > Bully for the old unreconstructed Reb! Like Artemus Ward's kangaroo, he = > > is 'an amoosin' cuss.' He was 'amoosin' ' during the war, he is funnier = > > now. But while many articles in the VETERAN are worthless as history, = > > many others are truthful, unexaggerated, and really valuable. The grains = > > of wheat are recompense for the chaff, and the VETERAN is altogether of = > > real service in the preservation of American history." > > > Mr. Holcombe would like to have a sketch of the Holcombe Legion, a South = > > Carolina Confederate organization during the war. He served three years = > > and a half in the Federal army, but is of complete Southern lineage, and = > > had many kinsmen in the Confederate service. He has never been able to = > > learn anything of the Holcombe Legion save from the incomplete = > > references in the official records of the Civil War. The VETERAN would = > > like to know something of this organization. > > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0223_01C0391A.7A8D7E00 > > Content-Type: text/html; > > charset="Windows-1252" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> > > <HTML><HEAD> > > <META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dwindows-1252" = > > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2722.2800" name=3DGENERATOR> > > <STYLE></STYLE> > > </HEAD> > > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">Confederate Veteran March = > > 1911</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">SENTIMENT OF A UNION = > > VETERAN.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">BY PRIVATE THAYER, PRIVATE 51ST = > > INDIANA=20 > > VOLUNTEER INFANTRY.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">About a year ago I first saw a copy of = > > the=20 > > CONFEDERATE VETERAN in our State Library in Indianapolis. I became = > > interested in=20 > > the magazine and subscribed for it. I now renew. The VETERAN is to be = > > commended=20 > > for its success in keeping the present generation correctly informed on = > > the=20 > > causes that precipitated our Civil War, the enduring loyalty of the = > > Confederate=20 > > armies, and their splendid achievements. It is good too to read of the = > > effective=20 > > and successful work being done by the Daughters of the Confederacy, as = > > set forth=20 > > in the VETERAN, to erect throughout the Southland memorials and = > > monuments to=20 > > perpetuate the fame of their Spartan soldiers.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">As surely as "truth crushed to earth = > > shall rise=20 > > again" will those who record historic truths and who perpetuate the = > > memory of=20 > > heroes in blocks of stone be classed among such immortals as Jefferson = > > Davis and=20 > > the great souls who led the armies of the Confederacy to victory on many = > > a=20 > > stubborn battlefield in defense of the people of the seceding States in = > > the=20 > > rights that were theirs under the Constitution rights = > > that=20 > > would have been denied them had they remained in the Union. Surely it = > > was a=20 > > cause for which it was a great honor to fight and fail than not to fight = > > at=20 > > all.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">I have been a member of George H. = > > Thomas Post,=20 > > No. 17, G. A. R., of Indianapolis. It is the most prominent Post in = > > Indiana,=20 > > having a membership of about three hundred. Benjamin Harrison and many = > > other=20 > > noted officers of the Union army, now dead, were members. Capt. William = > > A.=20 > > Ketcham, a member of the Thomas Post, introduced the resolution in the = > > recent=20 > > national G. A. R. Encampment at Atlantic City to have Lee's statue = > > removed from=20 > > the Hall of Fame at Washington and the profile of Jefferson Davis = > > removed from=20 > > the battle ship Mississippi. I rejoice for my country, and especially do = > > I=20 > > rejoice with the people of the South, that the rational Encampment had = > > the=20 > > patriotism to turn down this measure. It confirms that open rebellion is = > > not=20 > > treason, it is the right of a free people to war against despotism. = > > <BR>I was=20 > > present when the Ketcham resolution was acted on in the Post, but became = > > > disgusted with a class of G. A. R. comrades who persistently schemed to = > > induce=20 > > the G. A. R. to indorse measures denouncing the people of the South, all = > > this in=20 > > face of the fact that during the history of our country our government = > > has never=20 > > once had occasion to inflict the death penalty for treason. During our = > > great=20 > > Civil War neither the North nor the South developed a traitor in the = > > sense that=20 > > Benedict Arnold proved himself a traitor. I applied for and received an=20 > > honorable discharge from the order. I regretted the necessity that moved = > > me to=20 > > such action, for I have ever entertained a profound regard and affection = > > for my=20 > > comrades of the Union army. All who receive the baptism of fire in = > > battle are=20 > > close akin.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">I was born seventy five years ago in=20 > > Pickensville, Pickens County, S. C., and my mother, Harriet Caroline = > > Osborne,=20 > > was born and brought up in the same locality, while her mother was born = > > in=20 > > Virginia. In view of this statement, if I am asked how I happened to = > > serve in=20 > > the Union army against my native State, I answer: I and two of my = > > brothers=20 > > believed that the war was to be prosecuted by the Lincoln administration = > > to=20 > > preserve the Constitution and the Union as bequeathed to posterity by = > > our=20 > > fathers. Believing this, we volunteered into the Union army and served = > > full=20 > > terms, and all three were on the firing line in a number of the hardest = > > fought=20 > > battles. The Union was saved, but the Constitution got so badly = > > disfigured that=20 > > old Tom Jefferson wouldn't know his own child.<BR>WHAT OTHER NORTHERNERS = > > > THINK.</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">In a spirit of "friendly criticism" R. = > > I.=20 > > Holcombe, a sub scriber to the VETERAN, writes from St. Paul,=20 > > Minn.:</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">I like the VETERAN very much and = > > greatly enjoy=20 > > reading every article. Of course as a former Union soldier I don't = > > indorse many=20 > > of the sentiments expressed, but I 'don't have to' in order to be = > > thoroughly=20 > > interested. Some of the articles remind me of the scoldings we used to = > > get=20 > > during the war in Mississippi, Alabama, and Georgia from the ladies and = > > other=20 > > noncombatants, and even from prisoners. There was a strenuously = > > expressed=20 > > declaration that the Confederacy was sure to succeed, and now I note = > > that many=20 > > of its defenders are stoutly asserting that in effect it did succeed. = > > The=20 > > Yankees were licked in every battle, and when the Confederates = > > retreated, it was=20 > > because they were worn out and exhausted from pounding the poor, = > > miserable Union=20 > > troops. </FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif"></FONT> </DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">Bully for the old unreconstructed Reb! = > > Like=20 > > Artemus Ward's kangaroo, he is 'an amoosin' cuss.' He was 'amoosin' ' = > > during the=20 > > war, he is funnier now. But while many articles in the VETERAN are = > > worthless as=20 > > history, many others are truthful, unexaggerated, and really valuable. = > > The=20 > > grains of wheat are recompense for the chaff, and the VETERAN is = > > altogether of=20 > > real service in the preservation of American history."</FONT></DIV> > > <DIV> </DIV> > > <DIV><FONT face=3D"MS Sans Serif">Mr. Holcombe would like to have a = > > sketch of the=20 > > Holcombe Legion, a South Carolina Confederate organization during the = > > war. He=20 > > served three years and a half in the Federal army, but is of complete = > > Southern=20 > > lineage, and had many kinsmen in the Confederate service. He has never = > > been able=20 > > to learn anything of the Holcombe Legion save from the incomplete = > > references in=20 > > the official records of the Civil War. The VETERAN would like to know = > > something=20 > > of this organization.<BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> > > > ------=_NextPart_000_0223_01C0391A.7A8D7E00-- > > Hi -- > > The message you submitted to this list (included above) wasn't > sent to the list subscribers. RootsWeb accepts only plain text > mail. That means that HTML mail, attachments, ``enriched text'', > and a few other formats can't be sent to RootsWeb mailing lists. > You can post your message if you send it in plain text; turn off > the ``Post in HTML'' or ``Enriched Text'' features of your mail > reader, or don't use any attachments. See > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/listowners/html-off.htm for > instructions on turning off HTML in most of the popular mail > programs, or ask your ISP's technical support line for help. > > We've had to institute this policy because of the problems that > accompany these fancy mail formats. 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