yes. are there anything you are looking for in particular you wanted? Lourice ----- Original Message ----- From: <JEANGENES58@aol.com> To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] Question about newspapers in Coffee Co, GA > Are the past issues of THE COFFEE COUNTY NEWS archived anywhere or on > microfilm @ the library/libraries? > JEAN > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Are the past issues of THE COFFEE COUNTY NEWS archived anywhere or on microfilm @ the library/libraries? JEAN

As of now we have only the "Douglas Enterprise". The "Coffee County News" shut down. Lourice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe and Stephanie Grohol" <joeandsteph@cqservices.com> To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com>; <georgia@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2006 2:04 PM Subject: [GACOFFEE] Question about newspapers in Coffee Co, GA > Hi... > > I see that the newspapers that were in Coffee Co, GA have been taken > over by another corporation... > > What newspapers now carry any news in Coffee Co, GA Now? Like recent > obituaries? > Or does the libraries in that are carry that information? > > Appreciate the help....thank you.... > > Stephanie Grohol > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi... I see that the newspapers that were in Coffee Co, GA have been taken over by another corporation... What newspapers now carry any news in Coffee Co, GA Now? Like recent obituaries? Or does the libraries in that are carry that information? Appreciate the help....thank you.... Stephanie Grohol

I haven't been able to find him or Lucinda on any census. Could this be who you are looking for? William H Gilliard 17 Dec 1943 83 years Coffee Certificate 26583 >From: Joe and Stephanie Grohol <joeandsteph@cqservices.com> >Reply-To: gacoffee@rootsweb.com >To: ga-census-lookup@rootsweb.com, gacoffee@rootsweb.com, >georgia@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GACOFFEE] 1900 Coffee Co, GA Census Lookup/William Henry Gilliard >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:50:48 -0500 > >Hi... > >I am trying to locate William Henry Gilliard, born abt 1863 in Appling >Co, GA....died in abt 1945 in Coffee Co, GA.... >He would be married to Lucinda in 1900.... >He would have the following children with him: >James, born Oct 1892 in Coffee Co, GA >Elizabeth or Lizzie...not sure when she was born... >William Leon...born abt 1887 in Coffee Co, GA > >Possibly livignng with him would be Andrew James, born abt 1896.... > >Would appreciate any help....thank you.... > >Stephanie Grohol > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview

Not listed in the Coffee Cem Rec by Jessie Paulk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Cercy" <joecercy@hotmail.com> To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2006 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] 1900 Coffee Co,GA Census Lookup/William Henry Gilliard I haven't been able to find him or Lucinda on any census. Could this be who you are looking for? William H Gilliard 17 Dec 1943 83 years Coffee Certificate 26583 >From: Joe and Stephanie Grohol <joeandsteph@cqservices.com> >Reply-To: gacoffee@rootsweb.com >To: ga-census-lookup@rootsweb.com, gacoffee@rootsweb.com, >georgia@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GACOFFEE] 1900 Coffee Co, GA Census Lookup/William Henry Gilliard >Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 19:50:48 -0500 > >Hi... > >I am trying to locate William Henry Gilliard, born abt 1863 in Appling >Co, GA....died in abt 1945 in Coffee Co, GA.... >He would be married to Lucinda in 1900.... >He would have the following children with him: >James, born Oct 1892 in Coffee Co, GA >Elizabeth or Lizzie...not sure when she was born... >William Leon...born abt 1887 in Coffee Co, GA > >Possibly livignng with him would be Andrew James, born abt 1896.... > >Would appreciate any help....thank you.... > >Stephanie Grohol > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Talk now to your Hotmail contacts with Windows Live Messenger. http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://get.live.com/messenger/overview ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi... I am trying to locate William Henry Gilliard, born abt 1863 in Appling Co, GA....died in abt 1945 in Coffee Co, GA.... He would be married to Lucinda in 1900.... He would have the following children with him: James, born Oct 1892 in Coffee Co, GA Elizabeth or Lizzie...not sure when she was born... William Leon...born abt 1887 in Coffee Co, GA Possibly livignng with him would be Andrew James, born abt 1896.... Would appreciate any help....thank you.... Stephanie Grohol

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/Cc.2ADE/474 Message Board Post: Was there a newspaper in Pearson or Kirkland in the early 1900s? If so are copies of it available on the web?

Judy ... thanks for sharing this info. I have now traced the family through the census records. You are correct about "E"lexander buried at Rocky Pond and Martha at Hebron. Thanks again, Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary & Judy Yandle" <yandlefamily@ctc.net> To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] Barney Chaney In my notes, I have his parents as Jonathan E. Chaney, DOB: March 1862, DOD: January 25, 1927. Mother - Annie Huelett. They were married in 1883. I have Barney's name spelled Barnie - I don't have notes on who shared that with me originally. I have Jonathan's parents as Alexander Chaney, DOB 9/1829, DOD 1/11/1909; Martha Ann Rhodes. Alexander is burined at Rocky Pond Church Cemetery in Coffee County but I have Martha Ann buried at Hebron Baptist Church. I may have more generations in my database. Let me know if you'd like to have all the Chaney stuff I have. Regards, JHY Judy & Gary Yandle yandlefamily@ctc.net -----Original Message----- From: gacoffee-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:gacoffee-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nancy Nilsen Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2006 8:41 AM To: gacoffee@rootsweb.com Subject: [GACOFFEE] Barney Chaney Anyone know the parents of Barney CHANEY (1891), married Rhoda ADAMS, 1909 in Coffee Co.? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, my greatgrandfather was SPENCER WARE SPIVEY. His son SPENCER JASPER SPIVEY was my grandfather. I have a picture @ home of both of them. I am in B'ham, Al. & will be here thru the holidays. I'd love to trade Spivey history & pics w/you when I return home. Meantime, I can relate what I have on file from memory.I don't have SPENCER WARE SPIVEY'S death date. Do you? I know his first wife was LA CORA JANE HALL daughter of INSTANT (INSTNACE) & SARAH POPE. I've not found the death or birthdates on her either. Looking foreard to hearing back from you... Sincerely, JEAN

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ic.2ADE/1192.1.1.1.1 Message Board Post: I wrote you a long letter and some how lost it when I went to post it. Your Gramma was a Tanner The only time they mention alot of names is if you married a Spivey or you are a child of a Spivey. Elitha Spivey father was Spence W. Spivey son of Jasper (Jeff) Spivey and Mary (Polly) H. Kea. Jasper was the son of Jonas Benton Spivey (1792) Jonas was married to Molsey Hester daugther of Jasper Hester and Nancy Redding Elitha mother was Lacora J. Hall daugther of Instant J. Hall and Sarah Pope . Annie Bell was born July 18. 1918 and she had 6 sisters and two brother. Harvey was her brother. Rozier was the other brother. Bertha, Asula,Celia,Della,Edna,& Emma were her sisters. Elitha was there Aunt Did you know Elitha sister Martha was married to Aaron Tanner two years before Elitha on Dec. 20 1894. I hope this help you Write me. Kathy

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ic.2ADE/1192.1.1.1 Message Board Post: It's taken me a few days to digest all the information you provided about my grandmother's family. I've cried tears of joy for days. According to the records you have, Annie Bell would be my grandmother's younger cousin. The census records I've located (1920 and 1930) have Annie Bell's birth year around 1919. Does this sound right to you? If I have the right Census Records, she would have at least six siblings including a brother Harvey and a sister Della or Vella, and a sister Emma who is shown on the 1920 Census, but not the 1930 Census. Possibly she passed away? I don't now why my grandmother is not listed in the Spivey book, but the other names are her siblings. I see the book was written in 1993. My grandmother Stella (Estelle) died in 1940 and any records about her are almost nonexistent. This may be why she is not listed. Stella married Calvin Merritt. Their children are in birth order: Al (1918), Allie (1920), Cy (1922), Max(1925), Rhoda Mae (1929), and C.W. (1934). My mother was Rhoda Mae. They were all born in Ware County. I was born in Atlanta, but then we moved to Californinia when I was very young. We used to go to Georgia every summer and I remember that we would always visit with members of Stella's family, but I don't remember names. I'm hoping that possibly your mother-in-law might remember my mother or grandmother. Could you tell me the names of Elitha and Jim Morris' parents? I have searched and searched. Also you mentioned that Jim married Mattie and she was full blooded Cherokee. I'm trying to trace my Cherokee line and you state that Mattie was a Tannner. Do you know if the Tanner that Elitha married was related to Mattie in some way? Or if he was Cherokee? If you can answer that, you will solve my family's mystery! It would make sence, since I believe it came from Stella's family and I can't find any connection on my grandfather's side. I can't tell you how much this all means to me. I was extremely close to both my paternal and maternal grandmother's (Calvin remarried), and Stella has always been the grandmother who died long before I was born, but because I was so close with my mother, I've always thought of her and wanted to know more. I only have one uncle still liiving (C.W.) and he was only six when his mother died. My mother was only ten-years-old, but she related stories to me. It would be great to find someone else who remembers her. My mother only had one picture of her and I recently uncovered another that has been lost all these years. Thank-you for everything! Your information has touched me deeply.

Do you think Anne Bell would receive phone calls? I live pretty close to Avon Park? ----- Original Message ----- From: kam8943@netscape.net<mailto:kam8943@netscape.net> To: GACOFFEE-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GACOFFEE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] Mattie Tanner Spivey This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ic.2ADE/1192.1.1<http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ic.2ADE/1192.1.1> Message Board Post: I found Elitha (Lafie) Spivey in the Spivey Family History Book. She married Aaron Tanner on Nov.18 1898 They list their children as Eula Lee (she married E.D. Tanner)Bill,Barry,Ruby,Rouchie,Cora Lee(she married Koon)Rosie Lee (residence S.C.) Elitha Spivey is was mother-in-laws aunt.Her father was Jim Morris Spivey. Elitha was his sister. My mother-in-lwa is Anna Bell Spivey Minchew. Her mother was Mattie Spivey.Anne Bell is still alive and lives in Avon Park,Fla. Kathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, Lourice, I have no information on these people. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "louricemerritt" <louricemerritt@alltel.net> To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co,GA Census Lookup/Wesley Manning Gilliard Nancy, was this Matilda Tucker {md. James Lee} the d/o John Tucker Sr. & Hester Ann "Easter" Nobles, and did she have a sister by the name of Elizabeth md. to Thomas Lott???? Lourice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Nilsen" <nancy@nilsenfamily.com> To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co,GA Census Lookup/Wesley Manning Gilliard > Ruby ... I show Elijah "Lige" YOUNGBLOOD's wife as Jane LEE, d/o James LEE > & > Matilda TUCKER. Was she Jane ?LEONARD? Thanks for sharing this family > information. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruby Slaven" <rngilliardslaven@cfl.rr.com> > To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co,GA Census > Lookup/Wesley Manning Gilliard > > > Wesley & Lilla buried at Sweetwater C emt. Pearson, Atkinson, Ga. They > have > a headstone. > > Wesley Manning Buddy Gilliard > b. oct 22 1879 ware co ga. > d. mar 23 1930 pearson atkinson ga > m. june 26 1904 > f. William Henry Gilyard/Gilliard > m. Peneplope Penny Bagley 2nd wife > > wife : Lilla Youngblood > b. april 7 1882 ga > d. april 4 1943 pearson atkinson co. ga. > f. Lige Youngblood > m. Jane Leonard > 1. Joseph Eria Gilliard b june 11 1905 > m. Emma Earlie Thomas, Reba Corbitt, Myrtis Music/k > 2 James Elige Gilliard b. august 30 1906 > m. Jesse Bell Cook > 3 Penny May Gilliard b. sept 6 1908 coffee co ga d july 3 1977 starke, > bradford, fl m. Joseph Corbitt > 4 Wesley Linton Gilliard 11 3 1910 coffee > d april 27 1985 ware m. Cleo M. Lee > 5 Geo. Washington Gilliard b. coffee b. may 3 1912 coffee m Emma Phigpen > 6 Lena Gilliard b 1913 marr Unk Harrell > 7 Mitchel Gilliard b mar 3 1918 d 1930 pearson, atkinson, ga > 8 Ezra Gilliard b. mar 21 1919 m. Vera Lee Sweat, Tiny Sweat, Ammie > Truluck > 9 Alvin Lamar Gilliard b 1922 ware co d. may 15 1995 ware m. Mildred Berta > James, Dorthy Rhae Teleck > 10 Rhonda Winona Gilliard coffee b. nov 18 1925 coffee ga m. James Cox, > Roy > Walton Cheshire > 11 Candance Ezell Gilliard > Ruby/Apopka, Fl. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe and Stephanie Grohol" <joeandsteph@cqservices.com> > To: <ga-census-lookup@rootsweb.com>; <gacoffee@rootsweb.com>; > <gaware@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:56 AM > Subject: [GACOFFEE] 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co, GA Census > Lookup/Wesley > Manning Gilliard > > >> Hi... >> >> I am trying to find and having no luck finding Wesley (or Wesey) Manning >> Gilliard in the 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co, GA census.... >> He was located in Appling Co, GA in the 1900 Census, living with his >> parents, William and Penny Gilliard....he was 14 years old... >> Next i did find him in Ware Co, GA in the 1920 Ware Co, Haywood, GA >> Census....married to Lila and they had 7 children listed... >> So in 1910 they would have the following children: >> Joseph, age 5, Elijah, age 3 and Penny (Pennie) Mae/May, age 1ish..... >> Wesley would be abt 29 or so...his father was born in SC.....Lila would >> be abt 28 or so.... >> I did also find him in the 1930 census, living in Atkinson Co, >> GA....widowed.... >> >> Appreciate any help in trying to find him and his family in 1910....and >> thank you for any help.... >> >> Stephanie Grohol >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, was this Matilda Tucker {md. James Lee} the d/o John Tucker Sr. & Hester Ann "Easter" Nobles, and did she have a sister by the name of Elizabeth md. to Thomas Lott???? Lourice ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Nilsen" <nancy@nilsenfamily.com> To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co,GA Census Lookup/Wesley Manning Gilliard > Ruby ... I show Elijah "Lige" YOUNGBLOOD's wife as Jane LEE, d/o James LEE > & > Matilda TUCKER. Was she Jane ?LEONARD? Thanks for sharing this family > information. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruby Slaven" <rngilliardslaven@cfl.rr.com> > To: <gacoffee@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2006 5:05 PM > Subject: Re: [GACOFFEE] 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co,GA Census > Lookup/Wesley Manning Gilliard > > > Wesley & Lilla buried at Sweetwater C emt. Pearson, Atkinson, Ga. They > have > a headstone. > > Wesley Manning Buddy Gilliard > b. oct 22 1879 ware co ga. > d. mar 23 1930 pearson atkinson ga > m. june 26 1904 > f. William Henry Gilyard/Gilliard > m. Peneplope Penny Bagley 2nd wife > > wife : Lilla Youngblood > b. april 7 1882 ga > d. april 4 1943 pearson atkinson co. ga. > f. Lige Youngblood > m. Jane Leonard > 1. Joseph Eria Gilliard b june 11 1905 > m. Emma Earlie Thomas, Reba Corbitt, Myrtis Music/k > 2 James Elige Gilliard b. august 30 1906 > m. Jesse Bell Cook > 3 Penny May Gilliard b. sept 6 1908 coffee co ga d july 3 1977 starke, > bradford, fl m. Joseph Corbitt > 4 Wesley Linton Gilliard 11 3 1910 coffee > d april 27 1985 ware m. Cleo M. Lee > 5 Geo. Washington Gilliard b. coffee b. may 3 1912 coffee m Emma Phigpen > 6 Lena Gilliard b 1913 marr Unk Harrell > 7 Mitchel Gilliard b mar 3 1918 d 1930 pearson, atkinson, ga > 8 Ezra Gilliard b. mar 21 1919 m. Vera Lee Sweat, Tiny Sweat, Ammie > Truluck > 9 Alvin Lamar Gilliard b 1922 ware co d. may 15 1995 ware m. Mildred Berta > James, Dorthy Rhae Teleck > 10 Rhonda Winona Gilliard coffee b. nov 18 1925 coffee ga m. James Cox, > Roy > Walton Cheshire > 11 Candance Ezell Gilliard > Ruby/Apopka, Fl. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe and Stephanie Grohol" <joeandsteph@cqservices.com> > To: <ga-census-lookup@rootsweb.com>; <gacoffee@rootsweb.com>; > <gaware@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2006 9:56 AM > Subject: [GACOFFEE] 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co, GA Census > Lookup/Wesley > Manning Gilliard > > >> Hi... >> >> I am trying to find and having no luck finding Wesley (or Wesey) Manning >> Gilliard in the 1910 Appling, Ware or Coffee Co, GA census.... >> He was located in Appling Co, GA in the 1900 Census, living with his >> parents, William and Penny Gilliard....he was 14 years old... >> Next i did find him in Ware Co, GA in the 1920 Ware Co, Haywood, GA >> Census....married to Lila and they had 7 children listed... >> So in 1910 they would have the following children: >> Joseph, age 5, Elijah, age 3 and Penny (Pennie) Mae/May, age 1ish..... >> Wesley would be abt 29 or so...his father was born in SC.....Lila would >> be abt 28 or so.... >> I did also find him in the 1930 census, living in Atkinson Co, >> GA....widowed.... >> >> Appreciate any help in trying to find him and his family in 1910....and >> thank you for any help.... >> >> Stephanie Grohol >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GACOFFEE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ic.2ADE/1267 Message Board Post: This is a good website link to the members directory where folks connect with other families doing genealogy and research in general. Just enter your surname and do a search on it. It brings up all familys who have a website that connects with your surname. You can email each website to join or get information. I dont know why myfamily.com doesnt advertise this site index. I just happened to run across it. http://www.myfamily.com/exec?c=home&htx=SiteIndex

Kathy, What Spivey book are you getting this information from? Which Spivey line is this? I am related to the Spivey's. I come through Edmond Spivey and Abegail through John A. Spivey who was Sheriff of Coffee County. Thanks, Michael L. Wilkerson ENJOY LIFE ;-)

Gary & Judy Yandle would like to recall the message, "[GACOFFEE] Harrison Chaney".

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ic.2ADE/1192.1.1 Message Board Post: I found Elitha (Lafie) Spivey in the Spivey Family History Book. She married Aaron Tanner on Nov.18 1898 They list their children as Eula Lee (she married E.D. Tanner)Bill,Barry,Ruby,Rouchie,Cora Lee(she married Koon)Rosie Lee (residence S.C.) Elitha Spivey is was mother-in-laws aunt.Her father was Jim Morris Spivey. Elitha was his sister. My mother-in-lwa is Anna Bell Spivey Minchew. Her mother was Mattie Spivey.Anne Bell is still alive and lives in Avon Park,Fla. Kathy

Thanks for your help Kay. Michael L. Wilkerson ENJOY LIFE ;-)