This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/hc.2ADE/794.1 Message Board Post: I sent this to your direct e-mail address, but you may not have received it. In addtion to finding Lillie with her mother, brother and grandparents in 1880, I found what might be an explanation for the "disappearance" of Newton Ingram, the father of Lillie and Robert. Here's what I sent: I took another look at the censuses and believe I've found a theoretical explanation for the disappearance of the Newton Ingram family. In 1870 the Amy, age 25, is actually Ann. I suspect her name was Mary Ann. Also there were two Roberts in the household. The younger one was age 4. He is almost certainly the Robert Engram, age 14, who appeared in the 1880 census. I don't know why Mary Ann and Robert didn't use the Ingram/Engram name in 1870 unless she was not yet married. Another curiousity is that only three doors away in 1880 was the Alfred Ingram family, He was 30 and his wife, Elizabeth, was 28. Cherokee County marriage records show that Alfred married Elizabeth Ridings on September 18, 1866. In nearby Cherokee County was a 25 year old Isaac N. Ingram, still with his family. I would bet his middle name was Newton. This leads to speculation that Isaac Newton Ingram fathered Robert out of wedlock, possibly married Mary Ann before Lillie was born and they were quickly divorced. In the 1880 census Mary Ann was back in her family's household with the two Engram/Ingram children. I couldn't find a marriage record in Cherokee County for Isaac Newton and Mary Ann, but Isaac Ingram married Rachel Holcombe in Cherokee County on February 8, 1872. This theory would be more likely if Alfred and Isaac were brothers. They both appared in Cherokee County in 1860, but in different Ingram families. However, Elizabeth Ridings was definitely Mary Ann's younger sister and appeared in the 1860 census. It makes sense that Mary Ann, whose sister married Alfred Ingram about the time Robert Ingram was born, knew the Ingrams. It is very likley that Alfred and Issac N were cousins and Mary Ann may have been involved with Isaac before Elizabeth got involved iwith Alfred. Take this for what it's worth. W. McCollum --------------------------------Previous Message-------------- Just one addition to this - in 1880 the note by Mary's name indicated she was divorced. This doesn't explain why the Newton Ingram family seems to have disappeared in 1870. I'll keep checking. ----- Original Message ----- From: Wally McCollum To: Peggy Lundy Cc: Wally McCollum Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:02 PM Subject: Re: lookup The August 6, 1860 census of Roswell, Cobb County, Georgia shows: Kinson Ridings, age 60, day laborer, born in North Carolina Delila, age 39, born in NC Mary, age 20, born in NC Roseline, age 16, born in NC George, age 17, born in NC Elizabeth, age 13, born in NC Martha C., age 10, born in NC Violet, age 8 Folland?, age 5 Marsha?, age 4 Oliver, age 3 The August 3, 1870 census of Kennesaw, Cobb County, Georgia shows: Kinson Ridings, age 60, farmer, born in Georgia Nancy, age 60?, born in Georgia Amy, age 25, born in GA Falland, age 18 Marsha, age 16 Robert, age 10 Oliver, male, age 12 Robert, age 4 Next door is George Ridings, age 30 and wife, they have one child, Marion, male, age 1. The June 10, 1880 census of Acworth, Cobb county, Georgia shows: Kinson Ridings, age 65, born in NC Laura, wife, age 58,. born in NC Mary A., daughter, age 35 Marsha, daughter, age 25 Oliver, son, age 23 Robert Engram, grandson, age 14 Lillie, granddaughter, age 7 Eddy Green, mother, age 112 I couldn't find Newton and Mary Ann in 1870. He should still have been alive because of the child born in 1873. W. McCollum