a bit more on the smidge that Gaila posted this week, in response to the obit also posted. thanks for the heads-up on this family. from my files... I have not verified everything I inherited from my grandfather's research [JT Heard Sr, ca1963], which is why I've not published or contributed any of this info previously. perhaps it will help others and/or flesh out some corroboration... ? 1- Jacob Foreman Heard Jr., b27 Jul 1858 d 15 Sep 1917 1+ Mary Frances Williams b13 Sep 1859 d betw 1880-1890 2- Adoniram Judson b24 Oct 1880 d16 Nov 1959 2- Leon Gambetta b2 Jan 1883 d 6 Dec 1883 2- Mary Elizabeth 1+ Juliette Estelle Findlay b16 Dec 1866 d 31 May 1931 2- Jacob Foreman III b22 Feb 1890 d 29 Dec 1951 2- John Thomas b24 Feb 1892 d3 Sep 1970 2- Robert Burns b1894 d1904 2- Llewellyn b1984 d 1958 2- Robert Findlay b31 Mar 1896 d26 Nov 1901 I have noted that in the 1880 census, JF Heard Jr was a school teacher with wife Mary in the household of Adonira Williams, relationship listed as 'other'. am guessing he to be father or brother to Mary [haven't re-checked it to see his age...] I have some other descendant info as well as some unfollowed hunches on Mary Frances Williams, and some info on Estelle FINDLAY and her father, Robert Burns Findlay, if anyone wants to correspond... kirby in NC kirbz@northstate.net