Hello Bill, Welcome to the GABERRIE list! Thank you for sharing your data. I am not a GRINER researcher myself, but some others are for sure. I am sorry my post earlier was probably confusing. Should have changed my subject line and made it more clear. One note, be careful about posting info on living individuals on a public list like this. It is only for the safety of your family I say this. What a shame we have to worry about it, but there are a lot of 'crazies' [like a fox] out there, just waiting for an oppurtunity, if ya know what I mean. Sure hope you have fun around here, and meet some new cousins! This is a great group. Sharon