Folks, My question in this note is what source proves that several sons of Hugh Fulton of Derriaghy and wife Ellinor Johnston, Antrim, NI migrate to America ? In particular, how do we know that their son Robert ends up in Boston ca 1730 and that their other son James d. in 1753 in Augusta Co, VA ? So far I have not seen any primary source data cited that substantiates this theory. If you can add anything to what I have listed below, please join in the discussion. Before Trevor Fulton obtained e-mail, Hugh Casement was kind enough to share some information from Trevor on the Lisburn Fultons. It was posted in a note as follows: Subject: Lisburn area Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:39:39 -0500 From: Hugh Casement <HughCasement@CompuServe.COM> Reply-To: FULTON@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu To: "Fulton Family discussion list" <FULTON@rmgate.pop.indiana.edu> *************************************** You can look at the full contents of about a dozen of Hugh's notes Use ROOTSWEB's menu-driven interface to search the Fulton-L archives. It can be reached at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl Specify Fulton-L (as the list) For the Query, specify Casement For the Year, specify 1997 **************************************** A portion of Hugh's note on 3 April 1997 is as follows: John; b. Derriaghy 1623; d. 1680. m. (1st) at Derriaghy 1646 Margaret HOMER. 1. Paul; b. 1647. 2. Janet; b. 1650. 3. John (see III below) 4. Robert; b. 1655. m. 1676 Florence --. 1. James; b. 1677. 2. Thomas; b. 1680. 5. Hugh; b. 1659. m. at Derriaghy 1682 Ellinor JOHNSTON. 1. William; b. 1683. 1. John; b. 1717. 2. Robert; b. 1685. 1. John; b. 1710. 2. Robert; b. 1713. 3. Samuel; b. 1715. 3. Jane; b. 1686. 4. James; b. 1690. 1. David; b. 1719. 5. John; b. 1692. 6. Thomas; b. 1694. 6. Thomas; b. 1663. 1. Mary; b. Lisburn 1696. 2. Agnes; b. 1698. 3. William; b. Lisburn 1700. 7. Elizabeth; b. 1668. John m. (2nd) M. ENGLISH. She may have been the mother of Elizabeth, and almost certainly of: 8. Mary Ann; b. 1670. Notice there is no mention of where Hugh's sons migrate. In the MEMOIRS OF THE FULTONS OF LISBURN, compiled by Sir Theodore C. Hope, printed for private circulation, 1903, Chapter VI p 20-22 is entitled "John Fulton of Lisburn and Derriaghy or Belsize". A copy located at Belfast Linenhall Library, Belfast, Ireland, and at the New York Public Library, N.Y. It also has been microfilmed by the LDS (British Film Area 1426010 item 3). He lists some of the descendancy above, but does not make the leap across the Atlantic from this family to those in America. On page 21 Sir Hope writes, "Hugh of 'Derriaghy' seems to have been the next brother, as the Lisburn Catherdral Register gives his marriage, on 21 February 1681, to Ellinor Johnston of Derriaghy, and the births of their children, William (1683), Robert(1685), Jane(1686), James(1690), John(1692), and Thomas(1694). Hugh and his eldest son William signed the Derriaghy Vestry Book in 1711, and William in 1712 and 1715 also, being a Churchwarden in the latter year. In 1709, William baptized a son John at Derriaghy. Of Hugh's descendants we have no authentic records, but Dr. Robert Fulton has drawn out a tentative pedigree, from the Lisburn Presbyterian and the Derriaghy Church Registers, of his younger son Thomas (bap. L. R. 1694), which looks likely enough." I am aware of two compiled sources that try to make the connection between the Lisburn Fultons and Fultons in America: 1) Dr Robert Valpy Fulton's manuscript on Lisburn Fultons and connections to Fultons in Australia/New Zealand 2) The Fulton-Hayden-Warner Ancestry in America compiled by Clarence Ettienne Leonard Dr Robert Valpy Fulton's manuscript entitled "Records of the Family of FULTON especially in connection with those Branches settled in Australia", privately published 7 Sept 1894, Dunedin, New Zealand. This is the Dr. Robert Fulton that Sir Theodore Hope mentions in the paragraph quoted above. On page 5, Dr Robert Fulton states, "James Fulton the eldest son of Captain Richard Fulton was born about 1720 and having married and had issue one son is believed to have sailed for Pennsylvania a new colony just coming into prominence. This as nearly can be proved was 1752? He evidently had heard of the fact that his father had been left behind when his grandfather sailed for Jamaica in 1689, as he did precisely the same thing when he sailed - that he left his son, Richard, in the care of his own brother John Fulton of Calcutta and Lisburn, merchant. James Fulton settled in Little Britain Lancaster Co, Pennsylvania and eventually died 1770 leaving his wife and family in great poverty. He had issue by his wife Margaret and of them the second son Robert Fulton the famous American Engineer is the only one we know anything of." Dr Robert Valpy Fulton does not provide any references to original primary source material regarding James who went to America. He mentions Colden's "Life of Fulton". Based on more recent evidence, his statement of a James Fulton fathering the steamboat Robert Fulton seems incorrect. But knowing when these mistatements were published and by whom gives us a better understanding of how certain "myths" have been propagated over the years. Another source that tries to make the connection between the Lisburn Fultons and America is the book "The Fulton-Hayden-Warner Ancestry in America" compiled by Clarence Ettienne Leonard; Tobias A. Wright Printer and Publisher, New York, 1923. Copy at NYS Library at Albany - reprint available from Higginson Publishers. LDS film US/CAN 1017047 item 8. The book contains information on the descendants of Robert Fulton (son of Hugh Fulton and Elinor Johnson) and his three sons John, Robert, and Samuel who came to America about 1730 and settled in Boston, Mass. The book states Robert purchased land in 1751 on Orange Street, Boston and sold it in 1754. The Fulton chapter in this book describes the direct line of descent from Robert Fulton (migrated to Boston abt 1730) to William Edwards Fulton b. 8 Aug 1852 in Brooklyn NY. Mr. Leonard makes mention of consulting Sir Theodore Hope's book (p 40), but he lists Elinor Johnson of Denaghy, Ireland, whereas Sir Hope lists Ellinor Johnston of Derriaghy/Deriaghy. Mr Leonard lists John bapt 1709 at Diviaghy and Sir Hope lists it as Derriaghy. It appears that Mr. Leonard has taken information from Sir Hope's book and added transcription errors. He does not explain why he feels justified in connecting the Lisburn family to the Robert Fulton in Boston. As I asked at the beginning of this note, if anyone has additional information to sort out these relationships, please let us know. Thanks, Roberta R. (Fulton) Hirth Harriman, New York 10926 FULTON web page at: http://www.frontiernet.net/~elisa96/hirth/fulton.htm