Dear Roberta, With my convoluted ancestry, it is easy to become confused. Let me clarify. First, as far as I know, we're talking about the same Andrew and he was the only Andrew Fulton to have a bell foundry in Pittsburgh. He was my Father's Great Grandfather and did, in fact marry Jane Magee in 1824. He had a number of children among whom was Andrew Magee Fulton, whose line I haven't traced. Andrew senior of whom I have a photograph) founded the bell foundry in 1832 on old second street in Pittsburgh. Now the plot thickens. In 1885, my Mother's Grandfather, Louis Brown Fulton, Melchior B. Chaplin and William M. Ralston formed a partnership (Chaplin - Fulton, Ltd.) to take over the business. Louis was a nephew of Andrew as he was the son of Andrews brother, James who was born around 1800 and married Eliza Jane Morrow in 1830. Why none of Andrew's children apparently didn't continue in the business is unknown to me. Even thicker - Louis's brother, Thomas Cooper Fulton (my Father's Grandfather, White Bear Lake Minn.) married one of Andrew Senior's daughters (a cousin obviously) Margaret Magee Fulton. In 1891, the business was incorporated as Chaplin-Fulton Manufacturing Company and was operating at 28 to 34 Penn Avenue and later expanded to include 38 to 40 on the same street. These are the buildings that were demolished in the early fifties. At that time (1950), Chaplin-Fulton moved to Neville Island which is probably 5 to 10 miles down (west) the Ohio River. By this time, we had moved to Phoenix and my Father was no longer involved with the business. I hope this adds some clarification, but I think I'll try Barbara in addition. There are never too many sources when trying to pinpoint something like this. Thanks for the "instructions" on the archives. I'll give it try and let you know how it goes. Thanks again, Bill "Roberta (Fulton) Hirth" wrote: > > Dear Bill, > I believe we are talking about different bell foundries in > Pittsburgh, PA. > > In the enclosed note, Andrew Fulton founded a Bell Foundry in the > early 1800s. Barbara Schmidt's note mentions the building is Civil > War era and still standing. She called it the A. J. Mamaux Building > for a former owner who made canvas products and stated that in > researching this building she found that the MAGEE family, Fulton > Bell Foundry, and City of Pittsburgh Engine Companies 18 & 19 and > possiblty Engine Co. 1 had occupied this site. She lists the current > address of the building is 121-123 First Avenue and 120-122 Boulevard > of the Allies, Pittsburgh, PA with Chancery Way, an alley on one side. > The building is one building now but spans two city lots thus > fronting on two streets. > > You mention your "Fulton" buildings were torn down > in the 50's when the "Triangle" or Point was modernized and then > the corporation (Chaplin Fulton Manufacturing Co.) moved to > Neville Island at that time and that building is still standing. > I am not familar with Pittsburgh. Are these locations near to each > other ? > > Do you know what FULTON line the owners of the corporation Chaplin > Fulton Manufacturing Co. came from ? Perhaps it was a > later generation of Andrew Fulton m Jane McGee of 1832 bell foundry > line. > He has a son Andrew McGee Fulton who married Marie Smith. > You mentioned that your Andrew Fulton was the founder of the > Bell Foundry that was incorporated in 1891, so we definitely are > referring to different time periods. > > ROOTSWEB has now provided on menu-driven interface > to search the archives of the discussion lists. It > can be reached at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > It is a very powerful search engine, is easy to use, and can > be used to search ANY of the discussion lists at ROOTSWEB > by specifying the list of interest. > > In any case, to search our Fulton list, here are the directions: > > 1) Go to URL: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > 2) On first panel in the mailing list box type fulton-l > and hit the Select Query button. > 3) On the next panel in the Query box specify a keyword, such as > foundry. Select a database year such as 1998. Hit the search button. > 4) On the next panel you will see a list of notes that contain the > keyword you specified. The Subject may give you an idea of the > contents of the note (a reason why it is so important to make > the subject very specific and not generic). Click on FULL to > see the contents of the note. Use your browser's EDIT FIND > feature to quickly locate the keyword. > > After you try searching several times, you will see that it is a very > useful search engine. By the way, suppose you had to unsubscribe > from a list for vacation, and you wanted to see what queries you > missed in Dec 1998. Specify the keyword "Dec 1998" with the quotes > and only one space between the Dec and the year. It will show you > all the notes sent to the list for that month. For high volume lists > such as the Familysearch or the Ship passenger lists that can get > dozens of messages on a daily basis, specify just one day, such > as "3 Feb 2000" and this will show you just the notes sent on that day. > > ROOTSWEB sponsors not only surname lists but interest lists and > geographic lists as well. The mailing lists sponsored by > ROOTSWEB are listed at: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/ > > Although by nature we tend to focus on surname mailing lists, do > not forget the locality lists - they can be even more important. > For example, you will see there is a PAALLEGH-L list that covers > Pittsburgh which is in Allegheny County. I decided to take a > quick look. One entry from 13 Jun 1998 from a SuessRN@aol.com > states that in the course of restoring her old > house she found marriage certificates, family Bible and more from > 1800-on and would like to pass these on to these families. Names > include Andrew M. BLAIR m. Anna H. FULTON on 11/02/1893, > FULTON family bible, Frances FORTUNE, also BRICKLEY. > > Now isn't that a golden treasure for the right family !!! > > Have fun reading. > > Regards, > Roberta R. (Fulton) Hirth > Harriman, New York > > Fulton web page at: > http://www.frontiernet.net/~elisa96/hirth/fulton.htm > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Andrew FULTON, founder of Brass/Bell Foundry in Pittsburgh,PA > 1832 > Resent-Date: Sun, 6 Sep 1998 07:21:29 -0700 (PDT) > Resent-From: FULTON-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 06 Sep 1998 10:17:35 -0400 > From: "Roberta (Fulton) Hirth" <hirth@frontiernet.net> > To: FULTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Barbara Schmitt, > > You said you were researching the owner of the Fulton Bell Foundry > in Pittsburgh, PA. Although I am not related to that branch > of the Fultons, I am enclosing some information that may be > of assistance to your research. Andrew FULTON married Jane MAGEE. > He established the bell and brass foundry business in Pittsburg in 1832 > and is descended from the John FULTON who was born in Scotland ca. > 1713, emigrated to America ca. 1753, and settled in Nottingham > Township, Chester Co, PA ca 1762. This data was taken from page > 29 of the book entitled the "Genealogy of the Fulton Family" by > Hugh R. Fulton, 1900. Details regarding the book are enclosed below. > > I am interested in how you are related to this group of Fultons. > Could you please tell me how you descend from this line and > any migration patterns of the Fultons that you are aware of. > You may be interested in joining our Fulton discussion group > that has about 148 Fulton researchers. I will send you directions > about the list in a separate note. > > You can search the archives of the FULTON discussion list that is > provided by ROOTSWEB. The online menu-driven interface > to search the archives of the discussion lists can be reached at: > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > Looking forward to hearing more about your connection to this family. > > Thanks, > Roberta R. (Fulton) Hirth > Harriman, New York 10926 > > Fulton web page at: > http://www.frontiernet.net/~elisa96/hirth/fulton.htm > > ************************************************************* > > Genealogy of the Fulton Family Being Descendants of John > Fulton Born in Scotland 1713, Emigrated to America in > 1753, Settled in Nottingham Township, Chester County, Penna, 1762, > with a records of the known descendants of Hugh Ramsey Fulton, of > Nottingham, and Joseph Miller, of Lancaster County, PA, > Compiled and Edited by Hugh R. Fulton, The New Era Printing > Company, Lancaster, PA, 1900. > > This book is available as a reprint from the bookstore, > The Higginson Book Company, which has their catalog online. > The address is: > > http://www.higginsonbooks.com/ > > Look at Surname Books Index A to Z, and select F (for FULTON). > > Higginson Book Company > 148 Washington St. > P. O. Box 778 > Salem, MA 01970 > Tel: 508-745-7170 > > ***************************************************************** > > LINE: 1753 MD-PA: John Fulton > FROM: Glasgow, Lanarkshire, Scotland > TO: Newcastle, Delaware or Baltimore, MD > 1762 ? Oxford, Nottingham > Township,Chester Co., PA. > > DESCRIPTION: John Fulton was a fuller by trade. He was > also an elder in the the Oxford Associate Presbyterian > Church which in 1753 requested ministers from the > Synod Edinburgh. Rev. Alexander Gellatley and Andrew > Arnot arrived at the end of the year in 1753. The Rev. > Arnot returned to Scotland after two years. > > 1796 Desc Mary Fultons husband Rev. Jas. Proudfit > in Salem, NY mentioned in will (p.53) > > 1800 Desc. of Elizabeth Fulton and husband James Hutchinson > moved to Belmont Co. Ohio, approx 7 miles from Wheeling > and to New Athens, Ohio. (FFL 87-63) > > 1782 York Co. PA > Troy, NY where Susanna (Fulton) Clarkson died (p. 79) > > 1832 Desc Andrew Fulton later founded a bell and brass foundry (p. 29) > > 1800-1850s John Fulton dies bachelor in Petersburg, VA > > 1842 John Fulton Clarkson, Troy, NY (p. 30) > > 1850 abt Elizabeth Esther (Fulton) Winans resides in Manchester, KS (p. > 36) > > 1850s St Louis, MO (p. 35) > > 1868 White Bear, MN (p. 34) > > Descendants lived in MD, PA, NY, OH, MO, CO. > Related families include Clarkson, Crary, Crawford, > Hutchison, Kerr, Proudfit, Ramsey, > Thompson, Watt, Wilson, Watson, Winans. > > 1John FULTON b:1713 in Lanarkshire, Scotland d: 20 March 1796 in ? > Chester Co.,PA > +Eleanore b: in ? Scotland m: in Scotland > ......2 Mary FULTON b: 1745 in Lanarkshire,Scotland; m. Rev. James > PROUDFIT, Salem, NY > ......2 Elizabeth FULTON b: 1748 in Lanarkshire,Scotland; m. > James HUTCHISON 1767, d. 12 June 1812. > ......2 James FULTON b:2 Feb. 1751 in Lanarkshire,Scotland; > d. 15 Feb 1833, aged 83 years;. Margaret MILLER 25 Nov 1781. > ......2 John FULTON > + Margaret DICKEY (1st wife of John FULTON) > 3 Mary FULTON, m. ECKLES, Steubenville, OH > 3 Elizabeth FULTON, m. David LAFEVRE > 3 John FULTON, deceased. > + Esther COOPER (2nd wife of John FULTON) > 3 Thomas FULTON, m. Margaret BAIRD > 3 James C. FULTON, m Eliza Jane MORROW, d 1865 > 3 Andrew FULTON (ex-mayor's grandfather), m. Jane MAGEE. > He established the bell and brass foundry business in > Pittsburg in 1832. > 4 John C FULTON b 1826, deceased by 1900 > 4 Samuel Magee FULTON b 1829, m. Agnes SMITH, d by 1900 > 4 Jane Magee FULTON b 1830,m. Dr Samuel DILWORTH,d by 1900 > 4 Christopher Magee FULTON b 1832, d by 1900 > 4 Francis McAllister FULTON > 4 Henrietta FULTON > 4 Margaret Magee FULTON b 1834 in Pittsburg, m > Thomas C. FULTON (a cousin) in 1868, resides in > White Bear Lake, Minn. > 4 Andrew Magee FULTON, JR. m. Marie SMITH > 4 Eliza Magee FULTON > 3 Jemima FULTON > 3 Jefferson C. FULTON, m. Eliza McCARTNEY > 3 George Washington FULTON, b Aug 1802 in Chester Co, PA > d Nov 1864,m. Harriet BLANCHARD of Worcester, Mass, > second marriage Mary Ann KENNEDY. Trade a steamboat > engineer on Ohio and Mississippi Rivers. > 3 Eleanor Richmond FULTON, m. William BRICE > 3 Matthew Wilson FULTON > ......2 Jane FULTON d 19 Jan 1797, m. Mathew WILSON 27 Aug 1792. > ......2 Susan FULTON b 1760, d. at Troy NY, m. Rev. James CLARKSON, > York County. > > SOURCE: Genealogy of the Fulton Family being Descendants of John Fulton > Born in Scotland 1713, by Hugh Ramsey. Fulton, Lancaster PA. 1900. > p1-10. LDS Salt Lake City US/CAN Film area 0982495 item 2 (indexed), > and Higginson Publishing Co. > > SOURCE: The Fulton Family Letter by Robert D. Fulton, > (86:48, 60, 65, 80, 87:62-3, 89:43-46, 89:668-70, > > ******************************************************************* > > Since this book has been filmed by the LDS, the microfilm should be > available for loan at the local LDS library. Although I have > seen copies of this book at other research libraries such as > the NY State Library at Albany, the copies were too fragile, > so photocopies of the pages were not allowed. > > ********************************************************************** > p.2-3 I take it as being most probable that John Fulton and > family came from Lanarkshire in Scotland and set sail from > the seaport town of Glasgow... Tradition has it that the little > family landed at New Castle, Delaware, or Balitmore, for James > wrote that he had lived in Maryland for seven years, where his son > John was born in 1755. Then in 1762 he moved to Chester County, > PA., where he had resided ever since. > > In 1772 he purchased a tract of 260 acres of land > from John Hawthorn for five and fifty pounds, or about $275.00. > > This land lay on the Big Elk Creek and the Oxford and New London > Road, and included what are now the properties of Job Pugh, > Peter Caldwell, or the old Charles McDonald farm, and the Henry > Way place. > > On page 3 it mentions that Johns will was dated February 6 1796, and > proven at West Chester, March 24, 1796. On page 6 it indicates that > the will mentions Johns daughter Jane Wilson, wife of Matthew Wilson, > of East Nottingham." On page 23-26 a copy of the will is printed. > > At the end of the book, the author includes several letters written > in the late 1800s to members of other Fulton branches not related > to his line, such as a Canadian branch of Fultons; the Centre Co, PA > Fultons; the Midway settlement near Dorchester, Liberty Co, > GA. Fultons; the Nova Scotia Fultons; the Abraham Fulton and > Margaret Guthry from Articlave, Londonderry Co, Ireland and > Westmoreland Co.PA Fultons; and the Nebraska Fultons. Obviously > the author, Hugh Ramsey Fulton, enjoyed his genealogical research > and corresponded widely with Fultons in the late 1800s - and he > published his findings.