Pat, In the book, Banta Pioneers and Records of the Wives and Allied Families, prepared by Elsa M. Banta, Soldiers Grove, WI, 1983, there is additional information on the Bantas. Available: LDS Library Salt Lake City Book 929.273 B228be, 269 pages. Microfilm FHL US/CAN Film, 1321105 Item 20 In the family history catalog at http://www.familysearch.org/Search/searchcatalog.asp it describes the book as follows: Includes Demarest, Fulton, Montfort, Salmon, Shuck, Terhune and related families. Epke Jacobse (b.ca.1619), son of Jacob Epkesz and Reytske Sickedr, married Sitske Dircksda about 1650, and in 1659 the family immigrated from The Netherlands to Vlissingen (later Flushing), Long Island, New York. Descendants (most used the surname Banta after the late 1600s) lived in New York, New Jersey, Virginia, Kentucky (a few of the Kentucky Banta family became members of the two Shaker colonies in Kentucky), Tennessee, Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin and related families. It contains material on the Banta family and General Samuel Fulton as follows on pages 157,158,176,177 (as usual I try not to accept any of this as fact and try to keep a critical perspective, but it may help provide us with some clues). 1 Henry BANTA + Sally BANTA 2 Polly BANTA b 3 March 1785 d 1860 + George DWELLY 2 Henry BANTA b 20 Nov 1786 possibly in Mercer Co, KY at age 4 moved with parents to Bourbon Co, KY m 25 Aug 1808 + Jennie/Jane/Jeany FULTON Daughter of John FULTON, a brother of the father of Robert Fulton of steamboat fame (no proof given). Jennie is a sister to General Samuel FULTON who marries Margaret BANTA (see below). Henry BANTA and wife Jennie lived in Bourbon Co, KY. Jennie's father John Fulton bought 160 acres in Barr Township, Daviess Co, IN in 1818 and that Henry and Jennie Banta later settled on that land. States it is believed that Jennie Fulton sprang from a line that purchased land in Donegal Township, near Donegal Quaker Meeting House in Lancaster Co, PA. Says John Fulton d 1822 in Mississippi leaving as heirs Jennie Fulton Banta, Nancy Fulton Stewart, and Samuel Fulton. Henry and Jennie (Fulton) Banta name one of their children James Stewart BANTA. [Do you think this suggests a connection to the Samuel and Elizabeth (Stewart) Fulton of Donegal,PA ? For this John to not die until 1822 and still be an uncle to Robert of steamboat fame, he would have to have been VERY old] 2 Margaret BANTA b 17 Nov 1788 m 27 June 1808 + General Samuel FULTON of Nicholas Co, KY Brother to Jennie Fulton listed above. Served in the army with George Rogers Clark. Member of the KY legislature, serving in both houses 1824-1832. Lived on a large plantation outside of Carlisle, KY. Members of the Presbyterian church in Carlisle. He was one of the church's first ruling elders. Had 10 children. 2 Andrew BANTA b 9 Jan 1790 + Elizabeth (Betsy) HAYDEN m 4 Aug 1814, her maternal grandmother was a sister to Daniel BOONE 3 Mary Jane BANTA b 1 April 1816 + William GILLESPIE m 17 Nov 1853,a second marriage He was son of Gabriel and Elizabeth (Rice) Gillespie. William and Mary Jane moved to Hancock Co, IN. [Pat, do you know if this William Gillespie is related to the James Gillespie of Little Britain Twp, Lancaster Co. who gets a marriage license with Jane (Denny) Fulton, second wife of deceased William Fulton, on 27 March 1741 at the First Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia, PA ? Jane Denny is the daughter to Walter Denny, whose property borders William Fulton's in Lancaster Co. And Robert Fulton the tailor and father of Robert Fulton of steamboat fame subsequently buys the property that William Fulton once owned. And you had mentioned that the two sisters Rachel and Elizabeth Thomas married the two brothers Robert and Samuel Denny, who are the grandchildren of Walter Denny. So that would make Jane (Denny) Fulton Gillespie an aunt to Robert and Samuel Denny (I hope I did not get this confused - please correct me if I did mess this up ). So wouldn't it be a nice coincidence if the second generation of the Gillespies were in the same area in KY as the Dennys and the Fultons. By the way, I always wondered why James Gillespie/Gillespey and Jane (Denny) Fulton married in Philadelphia rather than in Lancaster. Either one or both of them had family in Phildadelphia or they moved out of Lancaster to Philadelphia. - Any thoughts on this ?] 3 Sally Ann BANTA b 15 Oct 1817 + Henry ARNOLD resided Greencastle, Putnam Co, IN m 17 Jan 1839 3 Eliza Ellen BANTA b 4 March 1820 + Barton W. GRAVES m 23 April 1841 3??? maybe more - did not copy next page... Says Henry BANTA and his parents were probably part of the famous Cane Ridge revival meetings. The family were supporters of the newly founded Disciples of Christ Church. The Rev. Finley, a North Carolinian, settled at Cane Ridge about this time and opened a log cabin "seminary" about a half mile from the historic meeting house. A map shows a Banta settlement about 2 o'clock north east of North Middletown, Bourbon Co, KY on the border of Nicholas Co, KY near Hinkston Creek. Roberta R. (Fulton) Hirth Harriman, New York Fulton web page at: http://www.frontiernet.net/~elisa96/hirth/fulton.htm\ Search Fulton-L archives at: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl