Russ, I am not here to educate you. I suggest you read Elizabeth Shown Mills's book Evidence Explained. And/or have a look at the discussions on the rootsweb TMG list (The Master Genealogist). They talk all the time about new and improved source templates for this that and the other thing. Here is a piece of a recent post there for a City Directory Source: ===== As a lumper, I prefer the source to only be the directory, and I put the page number in [CD] and the details of the family entry in [CM]. Thus I use my generic "published directory" source: FF: [ITAL:][TITLE][:ITAL] [PUBLISHER]<, [LOCATION DETAIL]>, [LOCATION]<, [DATE]><; [VOLUME]>: [CD]<. Cited as [ITAL:][SHORT TITLE][:ITAL]><. [CM]> SF: [ITAL:][SHORT TITLE][:ITAL]<, [LOCATION DETAIL]>, [LOCATION]<, [DATE]><; [VOLUME]>: [CD]<. [CM]> B: [LOCATION]<, [LOCATION DETAIL]><, [DATE]>, [ITAL:][TITLE][:ITAL]<; [VOLUME]>; <[PUBLISHER ADDRESS]: >[PUBLISHER]. <[REPOSITORY REFERENCE]. ><[REPOSITORY]><, [REPOSITORY ADDRESS]><. [ANNOTATION]> I always include a Bibliography, both in SecondSite and reports, so with your data my FF output would only include: City Directory R. L. Polk & Co, Nashville, Tennessee, 1935: page 408. Cited as Polk City Directory. John and Rebecca Doe, ... etc. My Bibliography output would be: Tennessee, Nashville, 1935, City Directory; R. L. Polk & Co. On-line Ancestry.com site, <http://www.Ancestry.com>. Database ... etc. I know you are a "splitter", Teresa, but this might be useful for some other "lumpers" out there. ===== -John On 1/6/2014, 3:36 PM, H R Worthington wrote: > John, > > I submit to you that the EE Templates do NOT change. > > YOU do NOT have to use the Family Tree Maker / Evidence Explained Templates. > > The Basic SOURCE Elements are the same. > > Please give me ONE example of a TEMPLATE provided by FTM that needs to be changed. What is it now and what should it be. > > Sorry, your example is meaningless to me. > > Thank you, > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: John Yates <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 11:42 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates > > > Russ, > > As I indicated in my previous post, templates do change. So we > should be able to add new ones and change existing ones, not > only different citations based on them. > > However, the *variables* that are used to build the templates should > be very very static and that list change rarely. > > I describe all this here: > http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/GEDCOM/ > > If you are familiar with chemistry, the templates are like compounds, > and the variables are like the elements. > > Variables(Elements): C, H, O, N, ... > Compounds:(Templates): H2O, CO2, ... > > The variables are the building blocks of templates. > The elements are the building blocks of compounds. > > There are about 118 known chemical elements. There were only 103 > when I was young. Pretty static. And all chemical compounds can > be written in terms of formulas (=templates) containing them. > If it can't, a new element is needed. > > A simple analogy, but it makes the point. > > John > > On 1/6/2014, 11:11 AM, H R Worthington wrote: >> John, >> >> To follow up. >> >> I do NOT want to change the Source Template (EE). We have total control of what is in the Reference Note. The Elements of the SOURCE Template are populated for us but the Citation Detail and Citation Text are all ours to complete. >> >> Russ >> >> ___________________________ >> >> >> Mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: John Yates <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 10:35 AM >> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates >> >> >> Russ, >> >> Yes, but as I said only in a third rate way. If you can, have a look at >> how Legacy implements ES (Evidence Style). 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