Russ, Yes, but as I said only in a third rate way. If you can, have a look at how Legacy implements ES (Evidence Style). They have some on line videos that should show how they do it. I just had a new look in FTM at this and it still appears to me that the end user can not edit any of the templates to tweak them, add new ones, add any new categories should that need arise, etc. I want to be able to define all of the ones (and more) as at: http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/evidencestyle/esm_templates.txt See http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/evidencestyle/ for a description of the format there. In fact, most of my needs are described there. John On 1/6/2014, 7:35 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > John, > > Actually, the Family Tree Maker program, since FTM2010 (if I remember correctly) DOES create EE style Templates. They are also in FTMM-3. > > Learning how to use them may take a minute, but once you know what the output contains, what the Source Template contains, the Citation information can be entered in the Citation Detail and Citation Text easily. > > I am NOT talking about what Ancestry.com gives us, only what Family Tree Maker can do for us. > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: John Yates <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:22 PM > Subject: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates > > > FTM has embraced Elizabeth Shown Mills style source referencing, but > only in what I consider a third rate way. > > Too many clicks to get to them, and too few degrees of freedom to > tweak them for real life purposes. > > My wish is that they get serious about them and do a first rate job > of implementing them and letting users define their own as in the > book Evidence Explained and all the QuickSheets showing templates > for all manner of source types. > > The best implementation I have seen, about a year or more ago, was > by the Legacy program. It has a large set of templates from Evidence > Explained, prompts you to fill out the fields for that type in a > nice form style html window, and off to one site it shows the > result as you build it. I think it has the Full, Short, and > Bibliographic(List) styles. (maybe only two, I forget). It didn't > meet all my criteria for such an implementation, but it was the > best I've seen. > > How about doing this in FTM Ancestry? Your source referencing is > a mess as far as I am concerned. > > Anyone else here like a more Legacy like implementation of this? > > (will post this also to feedback in a moment). > > John > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
John, Sorry, don't understand. WHY would I want to tweek a EE Source Tempate? Russ ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: John Yates <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates Russ, Yes, but as I said only in a third rate way. If you can, have a look at how Legacy implements ES (Evidence Style). They have some on line videos that should show how they do it. I just had a new look in FTM at this and it still appears to me that the end user can not edit any of the templates to tweak them, add new ones, add any new categories should that need arise, etc. I want to be able to define all of the ones (and more) as at: http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/evidencestyle/esm_templates.txt See http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/evidencestyle/ for a description of the format there. In fact, most of my needs are described there. John On 1/6/2014, 7:35 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > John, > > Actually, the Family Tree Maker program, since FTM2010 (if I remember correctly) DOES create EE style Templates. They are also in FTMM-3. > > Learning how to use them may take a minute, but once you know what the output contains, what the Source Template contains, the Citation information can be entered in the Citation Detail and Citation Text easily. > > I am NOT talking about what Ancestry.com gives us, only what Family Tree Maker can do for us. > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: John Yates <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:22 PM > Subject: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates > > > FTM has embraced Elizabeth Shown Mills style source referencing, but > only in what I consider a third rate way. > > Too many clicks to get to them, and too few degrees of freedom to > tweak them for real life purposes. > > My wish is that they get serious about them and do a first rate job > of implementing them and letting users define their own as in the > book Evidence Explained and all the QuickSheets showing templates > for all manner of source types. > > The best implementation I have seen, about a year or more ago, was > by the Legacy program. It has a large set of templates from Evidence > Explained, prompts you to fill out the fields for that type in a > nice form style html window, and off to one site it shows the > result as you build it. I think it has the Full, Short, and > Bibliographic(List) styles. (maybe only two, I forget). It didn't > meet all my criteria for such an implementation, but it was the > best I've seen. > > How about doing this in FTM Ancestry? Your source referencing is > a mess as far as I am concerned. > > Anyone else here like a more Legacy like implementation of this? > > (will post this also to feedback in a moment). > > John > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
John, To follow up. I do NOT want to change the Source Template (EE). We have total control of what is in the Reference Note. The Elements of the SOURCE Template are populated for us but the Citation Detail and Citation Text are all ours to complete. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: John Yates <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates Russ, Yes, but as I said only in a third rate way. If you can, have a look at how Legacy implements ES (Evidence Style). They have some on line videos that should show how they do it. I just had a new look in FTM at this and it still appears to me that the end user can not edit any of the templates to tweak them, add new ones, add any new categories should that need arise, etc. I want to be able to define all of the ones (and more) as at:
Russ, As I indicated in my previous post, templates do change. So we should be able to add new ones and change existing ones, not only different citations based on them. However, the *variables* that are used to build the templates should be very very static and that list change rarely. I describe all this here: http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/GEDCOM/ If you are familiar with chemistry, the templates are like compounds, and the variables are like the elements. Variables(Elements): C, H, O, N, ... Compounds:(Templates): H2O, CO2, ... The variables are the building blocks of templates. The elements are the building blocks of compounds. There are about 118 known chemical elements. There were only 103 when I was young. Pretty static. And all chemical compounds can be written in terms of formulas (=templates) containing them. If it can't, a new element is needed. A simple analogy, but it makes the point. John On 1/6/2014, 11:11 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > John, > > To follow up. > > I do NOT want to change the Source Template (EE). We have total control of what is in the Reference Note. The Elements of the SOURCE Template are populated for us but the Citation Detail and Citation Text are all ours to complete. > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: John Yates <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates > > > Russ, > > Yes, but as I said only in a third rate way. If you can, have a look at > how Legacy implements ES (Evidence Style). They have some on line videos > that should show how they do it. > > I just had a new look in FTM at this and it still appears to me that > the end user can not edit any of the templates to tweak them, add > new ones, add any new categories should that need arise, etc. I want > to be able to define all of the ones (and more) as at: > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
John, I submit to you that the EE Templates do NOT change. YOU do NOT have to use the Family Tree Maker / Evidence Explained Templates. The Basic SOURCE Elements are the same. Please give me ONE example of a TEMPLATE provided by FTM that needs to be changed. What is it now and what should it be. Sorry, your example is meaningless to me. Thank you, Russ ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: John Yates <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates Russ, As I indicated in my previous post, templates do change. So we should be able to add new ones and change existing ones, not only different citations based on them. However, the *variables* that are used to build the templates should be very very static and that list change rarely. I describe all this here: http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/GEDCOM/ If you are familiar with chemistry, the templates are like compounds, and the variables are like the elements. Variables(Elements): C, H, O, N, ... Compounds:(Templates): H2O, CO2, ... The variables are the building blocks of templates. The elements are the building blocks of compounds. There are about 118 known chemical elements. There were only 103 when I was young. Pretty static. And all chemical compounds can be written in terms of formulas (=templates) containing them. If it can't, a new element is needed. A simple analogy, but it makes the point. John On 1/6/2014, 11:11 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > John, > > To follow up. > > I do NOT want to change the Source Template (EE). We have total control of what is in the Reference Note. The Elements of the SOURCE Template are populated for us but the Citation Detail and Citation Text are all ours to complete. > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: John Yates <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates > > > Russ, > > Yes, but as I said only in a third rate way. If you can, have a look at > how Legacy implements ES (Evidence Style). They have some on line videos > that should show how they do it. > > I just had a new look in FTM at this and it still appears to me that > the end user can not edit any of the templates to tweak them, add > new ones, add any new categories should that need arise, etc. I want > to be able to define all of the ones (and more) as at: > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message