I think too many people misinterpret the copyright laws and may think they are infringing upon the "owners" copyrights. Most of the information found on the Find A Grave web site is not copyrightable. The name, date of birth, date of death, cemetery information are all facts as as such are not copyrightable. Only original content is copyrightable. This includes any original bio information to which the Owner may or may not have the copyright. The person who took any photos has the copyright to those photos. That may or may not be the person who uploaded the photo to the site. Some photos have a note that they may be copies and shared. Others whom I have contacted tell me I am welcome to share the photos. I think most of the contributors are friendly people who want to assist others in locating the final resting place of their relatives and have no problem with the information being shared. This is what Find A Grave's FAQ has to say about citing the memorial: /*How do I cite Find A Grave in a bibliography?*// //Please feel free to cite Find A Grave in your bibliographies, lists of references, etc. in whatever format you deem appropriate. Please note that, while Jim Tipton is the creator of Find A Grave, he is not the author of all of the content. If the information you are referencing includes a "bio by XXXXXXX" line, please cite that author as well. // //Sample citation: Bio Author. "Web Page Title". Find A Grave. Date of (your) access.// //Sample citation: Bio Author. "John Doe". //Find A Grave <http://www.findagrave.com>//. 6-1-2008. //[Top <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=listFaqs#faqTop>]/ This is how I handle the information. I enter the factual information using the Burial fact. I have a Source - Find A Grave. This has the basic information about Find A Grave. The source-citation contains the following * Citation Detail - "Cemetery record for xxxxxxx" * Citation Text - "Memorial # nnnnnnn" * Citation Note - any additional information from the Bio. Since source-citation notes are not displayed in the AMT there is no possible copyright infringement. But at any rate, I will cite the owner as the author. * Citation Web URL - contains a link directly to the Find A Grave Memorial. * Source-citation Media - a downloaded copy of the grave site photo. I do not mark this a Private but in the media description I always include o Name of the individual o Type of photo "Tombstone" o Date of death o Name and location of the Cemetery o The following statement o "Uploaded to Find A Grave Memorial # nnnnnnnnn by xxxxxxx on dddddd" where nnnnnn is the memorial number, xxxxx is the name of the person uploading the photo and ddddd is the date the photo was uploaded. o URL of the Photo in Find A Grave. Basically don't over complicate things too much. My interest is in assisting others find their roots. Find A Grave encourages people to link to their web site memorials. People willingly contribute information and photos because it provides free access. Anyone can search. You only need to be a member to "contribute". Just my 2 cents worth. BJ On 1/28/2014 6:48 AM, Joanne Hintz wrote: > Barry, > > I don't know about "genealogical standards" but with 'findability' as > the goal, it works most of the time for most people. I use > FindAGrave.com but add the memorial number(s) to cover the odd > circumstances noted before and for those who aren't creative searchers. > > > > On 1/28/2014 8:04 AM, Barry S. Finkel wrote: >>> The URLs may change but then so might the memorial numbers. >> Would it be acceptable via genealogical standards to note only >> "FindAGrave.com"? The FTM record should contain the person's name, >> dates, and cemetery, so it the future it should not be hard >> to go to the FindAGrave web site and locate the desired person.

Well said BJ > Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:40:35 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Find a Grave > > I think too many people misinterpret the copyright laws and may think > they are infringing upon the "owners" copyrights. > > Most of the information found on the Find A Grave web site is not > copyrightable. The name, date of birth, date of death, cemetery > information are all facts as as such are not copyrightable. Only > original content is copyrightable. This includes any original bio > information to which the Owner may or may not have the copyright. The > person who took any photos has the copyright to those photos. That may > or may not be the person who uploaded the photo to the site. Some > photos have a note that they may be copies and shared. Others whom I > have contacted tell me I am welcome to share the photos. I think most > of the contributors are friendly people who want to assist others in > locating the final resting place of their relatives and have no problem > with the information being shared. > > This is what Find A Grave's FAQ has to say about citing the memorial: > > /*How do I cite Find A Grave in a bibliography?*// > //Please feel free to cite Find A Grave in your bibliographies, lists of > references, etc. in whatever format you deem appropriate. Please note > that, while Jim Tipton is the creator of Find A Grave, he is not the > author of all of the content. If the information you are referencing > includes a "bio by XXXXXXX" line, please cite that author as well. // > //Sample citation: Bio Author. "Web Page Title". Find A Grave. Date of > (your) access.// > //Sample citation: Bio Author. "John Doe". //Find A Grave > <http://www.findagrave.com>//. 6-1-2008. //[Top > <http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=listFaqs#faqTop>]/ > > This is how I handle the information. > I enter the factual information using the Burial fact. I have a Source > - Find A Grave. This has the basic information about Find A Grave. The > source-citation contains the following > > * Citation Detail - "Cemetery record for xxxxxxx" > * Citation Text - "Memorial # nnnnnnn" > * Citation Note - any additional information from the Bio. Since > source-citation notes are not displayed in the AMT there is no > possible copyright infringement. But at any rate, I will cite the > owner as the author. > * Citation Web URL - contains a link directly to the Find A Grave > Memorial. > * Source-citation Media - a downloaded copy of the grave site photo. > I do not mark this a Private but in the media description I always > include > o Name of the individual > o Type of photo "Tombstone" > o Date of death > o Name and location of the Cemetery > o The following statement > o "Uploaded to Find A Grave Memorial # nnnnnnnnn by xxxxxxx on > dddddd" where nnnnnn is the memorial number, xxxxx is the name > of the person uploading the photo and ddddd is the date the > photo was uploaded. > o URL of the Photo in Find A Grave. > > Basically don't over complicate things too much. My interest is in > assisting others find their roots. Find A Grave encourages people to > link to their web site memorials. People willingly contribute > information and photos because it provides free access. Anyone can > search. You only need to be a member to "contribute". > > Just my 2 cents worth. > > BJ > > > On 1/28/2014 6:48 AM, Joanne Hintz wrote: > > Barry, > > > > I don't know about "genealogical standards" but with 'findability' as > > the goal, it works most of the time for most people. I use > > FindAGrave.com but add the memorial number(s) to cover the odd > > circumstances noted before and for those who aren't creative searchers. > > > > > > > > On 1/28/2014 8:04 AM, Barry S. Finkel wrote: > >>> The URLs may change but then so might the memorial numbers. > >> Would it be acceptable via genealogical standards to note only > >> "FindAGrave.com"? The FTM record should contain the person's name, > >> dates, and cemetery, so it the future it should not be hard > >> to go to the FindAGrave web site and locate the desired person. > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message