Russ, Because they evolve over time. Individual researchers tweak them to their own needs, or the needs of the journals they publish in. New ones are added as the need arises. e.g. Edition 2 of Evidence Explained adds a few new ones. ESM's QuickSheets provide all manner of tweaked ones for different purposes. They are not static over time. John On 1/6/2014, 11:08 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > John, > > Sorry, don't understand. > > WHY would I want to tweek a EE Source Tempate? > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: John Yates <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 10:35 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates > > > Russ, > > Yes, but as I said only in a third rate way. If you can, have a look at > how Legacy implements ES (Evidence Style). They have some on line videos > that should show how they do it. > > I just had a new look in FTM at this and it still appears to me that > the end user can not edit any of the templates to tweak them, add > new ones, add any new categories should that need arise, etc. I want > to be able to define all of the ones (and more) as at: > > http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/evidencestyle/esm_templates.txt > > See http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/evidencestyle/ > for a description of the format there. In fact, most of my > needs are described there. > > John > > On 1/6/2014, 7:35 AM, H R Worthington wrote: >> John, >> >> Actually, the Family Tree Maker program, since FTM2010 (if I remember correctly) DOES create EE style Templates. They are also in FTMM-3. >> >> Learning how to use them may take a minute, but once you know what the output contains, what the Source Template contains, the Citation information can be entered in the Citation Detail and Citation Text easily. >> >> I am NOT talking about what Ancestry.com gives us, only what Family Tree Maker can do for us. >> >> Russ >> >> ___________________________ >> >> >> Mailto:[email protected] >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: John Yates <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 10:22 PM >> Subject: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates >> >> >> FTM has embraced Elizabeth Shown Mills style source referencing, but >> only in what I consider a third rate way. >> >> Too many clicks to get to them, and too few degrees of freedom to >> tweak them for real life purposes. >> >> My wish is that they get serious about them and do a first rate job >> of implementing them and letting users define their own as in the >> book Evidence Explained and all the QuickSheets showing templates >> for all manner of source types. >> >> The best implementation I have seen, about a year or more ago, was >> by the Legacy program. It has a large set of templates from Evidence >> Explained, prompts you to fill out the fields for that type in a >> nice form style html window, and off to one site it shows the >> result as you build it. I think it has the Full, Short, and >> Bibliographic(List) styles. (maybe only two, I forget). It didn't >> meet all my criteria for such an implementation, but it was the >> best I've seen. >> >> How about doing this in FTM Ancestry? Your source referencing is >> a mess as far as I am concerned. >> >> Anyone else here like a more Legacy like implementation of this? >> >> (will post this also to feedback in a moment). >> >> John >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Version 2008 - 2012 >> http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Version 2008 - 2012 >> http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

John, The tweaking is not in the SOURCE Elements, but data that CAN BE ADDED in the Citation Details and the Citation Text. Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: John Yates <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 6, 2014 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Evidence Style Source Reference Templates Russ, Because they evolve over time. Individual researchers tweak them to their own needs, or the needs of the journals they publish in. New ones are added as the need arises. e.g. Edition 2 of Evidence Explained adds a few new ones. ESM's QuickSheets provide all manner of tweaked ones for different purposes. They are not static over time.