Christine, Using the words from Geoff Rasmussen, huh? But what do you have in the Citation Detail field? anything in the Citation Text field? What does the Reference Note look like? Russ ________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Chris Bauman via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:34 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] Source template output problem I'm in the process of "re-doing" all the sources in my file(s), using the Templates to keep the sources consistent. I would like the end results to follow the parameters in Evidence Explained . This morning I'm working on a wedding invitation I have. I chose the Artifact (Private Holding) template, but I'm perturbed that the reference note created doesn't follow the reference note format in EE . In the Edit Source screen, I originally put my Surname and Forenames (for compiler) in the appropriate fields (Surname is required), and a title (wedding invitation) in the Artifact Type, plus myself and my address in the other fields. The Source gets created and shows up in the Source Bibliography leading with me as the compiler (which is ok). But the reference note lists compiler name first, followed by the artifact type, with the rest of the information correct. Page 139 of EE indicates the reference note should begin with the Artifact Type, followed by Surname & Forename (or a collection name), and the rest of the info. But FTM (2014, build 1345 running on Windows 7) creates the Reference Note those items reversed. If I change the Surname field to "Bauman Family Collection" it reads a little better, but obviously that still doesn't change the order. I realize I can rework the reference note wording, but I don't want to/shouldn't have to do that each time I use that source--it could be weeks or months between the times I'm entering an artifact like that, and I don't want to have to remember to reword it every time. Has anyone reported this as a problem? Or found a different Template that will put the Reference note in the right sequence? Thanks! Christine, IBSSG Life's short . . . do genealogy first! ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Russ-- If I quoted Geoff, it was accidental! Anyway, I have most (if not all) my facts sourced, but probably have not been entirely consistent regarding the format. So I'm trying to have the Templates make me more . . . rigorous, maybe? . . . in that respect. Nothing is in either the Citation Detail or the Citation Text field. When I did put something in the Citation Detail, it showed up at the end of the reference note (after the 2015). Ditto for the Citation Text. Anyway, the Reference Note generated is: Bauman Family Collection HAWS/LISOWSKI wedding invitation, April 1988; privately held by Christine Haws Bauman, Greenwood, Indiana, 2015. The Source Bibliography shows up as: Bauman Family Collection. HAWS/LISOWSKI wedding invitation. April 1988. Privately held by Christine Haws Bauman, Greenwood, Indiana. 2015. The source seems fine (though apparently I will have a source listed for each artifact item I might use--that's a lot of funeral cards . . . .) If I changed up the source information somewhat--put my names back in as compiler, put "Bauman Family Collection" as the Artifact type (allowing all my artifacts to use this one source), then I need to take out the creation date info (April 1988), since obviously all my assorted ephemera won't have the same date. I could then put the wedding information in the Citation detail (and I guess put the creation date in there). That generates this Reference Note: Christine Haws Bauman Bauman Family Collection; privately held by Christine Bauman, Greenwood, Indiana , 2015. HAWS/LISOWSKI wedding invitation, April 1988. . . . which REALLY doesn't come anywhere close to being right, either. I didn't play around with Personal Correspondence or Historic Letter as options, but looking at them now, they really don't seem right. This seems more like a funeral card, school diploma, etc. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "H R Worthington" <rworthington@att.net> To: "Chris Bauman" <chris.bauman@comcast.net>, ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:44:17 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Source template output problem Christine, Using the words from Geoff Rasmussen, huh? But what do you have in the Citation Detail field? anything in the Citation Text field? What does the Reference Note look like? Russ ________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: Chris Bauman via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, March 3, 2015 2:34 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] Source template output problem I'm in the process of "re-doing" all the sources in my file(s), using the Templates to keep the sources consistent. I would like the end results to follow the parameters in Evidence Explained . This morning I'm working on a wedding invitation I have. I chose the Artifact (Private Holding) template, but I'm perturbed that the reference note created doesn't follow the reference note format in EE . In the Edit Source screen, I originally put my Surname and Forenames (for compiler) in the appropriate fields (Surname is required), and a title (wedding invitation) in the Artifact Type, plus myself and my address in the other fields. The Source gets created and shows up in the Source Bibliography leading with me as the compiler (which is ok). But the reference note lists compiler name first, followed by the artifact type, with the rest of the information correct. Page 139 of EE indicates the reference note should begin with the Artifact Type, followed by Surname & Forename (or a collection name), and the rest of the info. But FTM (2014, build 1345 running on Windows 7) creates the Reference Note those items reversed. If I change the Surname field to "Bauman Family Collection" it reads a little better, but obviously that still doesn't change the order. I realize I can rework the reference note wording, but I don't want to/shouldn't have to do that each time I use that source--it could be weeks or months between the times I'm entering an artifact like that, and I don't want to have to remember to reword it every time. Has anyone reported this as a problem? Or found a different Template that will put the Reference note in the right sequence? Thanks! Christine, IBSSG Life's short . . . do genealogy first! ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message