BJ, i have one citation with links to every FACT that I am documenting from that source of information. Not to an individual but FACT. (one to many) Have you tried to download an AMT and experienced what you described? That is multiple CITATIONS, each citation to a Fact ? (one to one) I haven't seen that. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: BJ via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 2:18 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] AMT vs FTM Data bases - was The Great Debate The issue has nothing to do with editing the source-citation. The issue is with how many identical source-citations are stored in the two data bases. You may not see the problem because I think you tend to use one source-citation per individual. I on the other hand may use one source-citation for multiple individuals. Let's say that I have a family Bible which records the births, marriages and deaths of a Father, Mother and four children. All of this information is recorded on three pages, numbered pages 135 through 137, one page for each type of information i.e. Birth, Marriage and Death. I may enter a single source, Taylor Family Bible. I then create one source which cites pages 135 through 137. I enter Citation Text, "Births, Marriages and Deaths of the James Taylor family". I then link this one source-citation to the father's, James Taylor's birth, marriage and death facts. I also link this same citation to the mother's birth, marriage and death facts. I continue by linking this same source-citation to the birth, marriage and death facts for each of the four children. The end result is the source-citation is stored only once in the FTM data base but it has 18 links, three links to each of the 6 individuals. I synch this data base to the AMT. When I examine the individuals and facts in the AMT, I find source-citation for each individual and fact. Since we can only see the source-citations on an individual basis, I have no idea how the source-citation is stored on the AMT data base. But everything looks OK. Now assume that I want to download the AMT tree into another FTM file. I may want to give a copy to someone or I may need to use it to recover my damaged file. I download the AMT tree and import it into the FTM file. I then go to the Sources work area where I find six identical source-citations. One source-citation is linked to the three facts, birth, marriage and death, for a single person. Originally, I had one source-citation linked to six people each with three facts. If I found that I needed to make a change to the source-citation, I only had to make the change one time. After the sync, download and import, I now have six source-citations each linked to one person and their three facts. If I need to make a change to the source-citation, I must now make the same change to six source-citations. So my data base organization has been changed from the way I originally entered it. Let's expand it a little. Assume I originally had 50 source-citations like this. After the sync, download and import, I now have 300 source-citations i.e. 6 identical copies of 50 source-citations. My only choices are to either accept the 300 source-citations or manually merge the identical source-citations to get back to my original 50 source-citations.

Yes I have downloaded my AMT and experienced that. I have advised others when using the AMT that they will experience the problem and unless I'm mistaken, this is what Debbie was commenting on when she said, "/But, there's value in having a one-to-many relationship in cases where the same citation can link to multiple people. When I sync things, I don't want the differences in the two systems to modify my work. If I add citatation #1 to Person A, B, and C.... sync the two systems..... why do I now have three copies of the identical citation?/" BJ On 2/23/2015 7:13 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > BJ, > > i have one citation with links to every FACT that I am documenting > from that source of information. Not to an individual but FACT. (one > to many) > > Have you tried to download an AMT and experienced what you described? > That is multiple CITATIONS, each citation to a Fact ? (one to one) > > I haven't seen that. > > Russ > ___________________________ > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* BJ via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > *To:* "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > *Sent:* Monday, February 23, 2015 2:18 AM > *Subject:* Re: [FTM-TECH] AMT vs FTM Data bases - was The Great Debate > > The issue has nothing to do with editing the source-citation. The issue > is with how many identical source-citations are stored in the two data > bases. You may not see the problem because I think you tend to use one > source-citation per individual. I on the other hand may use one > source-citation for multiple individuals. > > Let's say that I have a family Bible which records the births, marriages > and deaths of a Father, Mother and four children. All of this > information is recorded on three pages, numbered pages 135 through 137, > one page for each type of information i.e. Birth, Marriage and Death. I > may enter a single source, Taylor Family Bible. I then create one > source which cites pages 135 through 137. I enter Citation Text, > "Births, Marriages and Deaths of the James Taylor family". I then link > this one source-citation to the father's, James Taylor's birth, marriage > and death facts. I also link this same citation to the mother's birth, > marriage and death facts. I continue by linking this same > source-citation to the birth, marriage and death facts for each of the > four children. The end result is the source-citation is stored only > once in the FTM data base but it has 18 links, three links to each of > the 6 individuals. > > I synch this data base to the AMT. When I examine the individuals and > facts in the AMT, I find source-citation for each individual and fact. > Since we can only see the source-citations on an individual basis, I > have no idea how the source-citation is stored on the AMT data base. > But everything looks OK. > > Now assume that I want to download the AMT tree into another FTM file. > I may want to give a copy to someone or I may need to use it to recover > my damaged file. I download the AMT tree and import it into the FTM > file. I then go to the Sources work area where I find six identical > source-citations. One source-citation is linked to the three facts, > birth, marriage and death, for a single person. > > Originally, I had one source-citation linked to six people each with > three facts. If I found that I needed to make a change to the > source-citation, I only had to make the change one time. After the > sync, download and import, I now have six source-citations each linked > to one person and their three facts. If I need to make a change to the > source-citation, I must now make the same change to six > source-citations. So my data base organization has been changed from > the way I originally entered it. Let's expand it a little. Assume I > originally had 50 source-citations like this. After the sync, download > and import, I now have 300 source-citations i.e. 6 identical copies of > 50 source-citations. My only choices are to either accept the 300 > source-citations or manually merge the identical source-citations to get > back to my original 50 source-citations.