I would like to see them add back the ability print a bibliography containing only those sources requested. Currently it appears one can only print a bibliography that contains all sources defined within your FTM file. This makes the bibliography report essentially useless unless one is creating a report or book for ALL people in your FTM database. With FTM 16, I could generate a report about a group of specific people and attach a bibliography of only those sources relevant to that group of specific people. I've been unable to figure out how to do that in FTM 2010, FTM 2012, and now FTM 2014. Unfortunately, even within the Book Feature, creating a bibliography includes all sources within the FTM file regardless of their use within that book. There is no way to tell the bibliography feature to only produce the list of sources used for select individuals. We used to be able to do this in FTM 16 and earlier versions. It disappeared when FTM 2010, 2012, and now 2014 were released. And since I'm wishing for changes with the bibliography, I would like to see the annotation paragraphs (within the bibliography) indented to make it easier to see where each bibliographic entry begins and ends. FTM 2014 provides a hanging indent for the source and then again with the annotation. Yes, bibliographic source entries are separated by a white space line but so are the annotations. Because both the bibliographic source entry and its respective annotation are formatted exactly the same, it is not easy to scan the bibliography looking for a specific entry even when alphabetized. Looking through a 106 page bibliography to find a specific source, while not impossible, is not as easy as it should be because the annotations appear to the brain to mess up the alphabetic sequence. I thought I might be able to use font changes to distinguish but, alas, FTM does not provide that level of font granularity. FTM2010-2014 do offer the option to show a dotted line divider between sources but the dotted line is very faint and thus doesn't really help the reader. Below is a quick sample output of what I see and what I would like to see. (Note: The dotted lines are a lot darker here than they appear in the FTM Source Bibliography report). ======Current FTM2014 Sample======= Bible of Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock Smith (Texas Centennial Blue Ribbon Bible; John A Hertel Company, Chicago, IL; 1948), Debbie Reynolds, 15 Mandy Lane, Forsyth, GA 31029. Source Medium: Book Lists the grandparents, great-grandparents, and dates of both Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock. Lists their children, birth dates, death dates, marriage dates, spouse and lists many of their grandchildren. ................................................................. Blasius-Baker Funeral Home, Blasius-Baker Funeral Home Memorial Card (9320 West St., Manassas, VA), Copy in possession of Timothy N. West. Source Medium: Card Gloria Dean Plaugher provided the card because I was unable to attend the funeral. ................................................................. Blevins, Ray and Laccie, Jonathan Blevins Sr. of Virginia and His Descendants (Overmountain Press, Johnson City, TN; 1982), Copy held by Mark S. Blevins, P.O. Box 4491, Chattanooga, TN 37405-0491. Source Medium: Book This book was a special edition (not for the general public), and it is no longer in print. Ray Blevins is working on a new edition of this book. ................................................................. Boat Capsizes - Harness Youth Drowns - Brother of Victim Saved by Companion (18289 Alberta Street, Oneida, TN 37841, The Scott County News, 22 Jul 1976). ................................................................. Borden, Duane L. and Jeanette Conner Ritenour, Marriages, Shenandoah County, Virginia 1850-1882 (Duane L. Borden, 5995 West Arizona Ave., Denver, CO 80226; 1987), Fairfax County Public Library, Fairfax, Fairfax Co, VA, VREF 929.3755 SHEN. Source Medium: Book A compilation of marriages taken from the Shenandoah Co, VA marriage registers. The author believes the compilation reaches into approximately 85% of the families residing in Shenandoah Co during 9 Jul 1850 through 25 Dec 1881. Some genealogy had been added to the compilation by the authors and is usually identified within parentheses below the marriage. The primary index lists both grooms and brides. A supplemental index is also included and identifies names missed in the primary index. ................................................................. ======End current sample======= I would prefer the title of the entry to be bolded and the annotation to be fully indented (not just hanging indented). I think the bibliography would be better suited to be formatted as follows (unfortunately I can't show bolded titles within the FTM-TECH list): ======Preferred sample======== Bible of Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock Smith (Texas Centennial Blue Ribbon Bible; John A Hertel Company, Chicago, IL; 1948), Debbie Reynolds, 15 Mandy Lane, Forsyth, GA 31029. Source Medium: Book Lists the grandparents, great-grandparents, and dates of both Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock. Lists their children, birth dates, death dates, marriage dates, spouse and lists many of their grandchildren. Blasius-Baker Funeral Home, Blasius-Baker Funeral Home Memorial Card (9320 West St., Manassas, VA), Copy in possession of Timothy N. West. Source Medium: Card Gloria Dean Plaugher provided the card because I was unable to attend the funeral. Blevins, Ray and Laccie, Jonathan Blevins Sr. of Virginia and His Descendants (Overmountain Press, Johnson City, TN; 1982), Copy held by Mark S. Blevins, P.O. Box 4491, Chattanooga, TN 37405-0491. Source Medium: Book This book was a special edition (not for the general public), and it is no longer in print. Ray Blevins is working on a new edition of this book. Boat Capsizes - Harness Youth Drowns - Brother of Victim Saved by Companion (18289 Alberta Street, Oneida, TN 37841, The Scott County News, 22 Jul 1976). Borden, Duane L. and Jeanette Conner Ritenour, Marriages, Shenandoah County, Virginia 1850-1882 (Duane L. Borden, 5995 West Arizona Ave., Denver, CO 80226; 1987), Fairfax County Public Library, Fairfax, Fairfax Co, VA, VREF 929.3755 SHEN. Source Medium: Book A compilation of marriages taken from the Shenandoah Co, VA marriage registers. The author believes the compilation reaches into approximately 85% of the families residing in Shenandoah Co during 9 Jul 1850 through 25 Dec 1881. Some genealogy had been added to the compilation by the authors and is usually identified within parentheses below the marriage. The primary index lists both grooms and brides. A supplemental index is also included and identifies names missed in the primary index. =======End preferred sample======== .tim west. Scott County, Tennessee Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project http://www.tngenweb.org/scott ------------------Original Message------------------ >From: Judy in Ocala <treewright@gmail.com> >Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 16 v. 2014: The Great Debate >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:47:13 -0500 > >We are coming up on 8 years since v. 16 was completely reprogrammed to a new database structure. In the beginning, we all felt that v. 2008 was lacking many of the features that we loved in 16. >Over the years many improvements and enhancements have been made to succeeding versions and upgrades. As a result, version 2014 is a much more stable, robust, and versatile program than 2008 was. >But in spite of the many improvements, there is an bedrock of loyal users of v. 16. One of the reasons often given for sticking with 16 is the reports, but there hasn't been much discussion about why the reports in 16 are better. >So I'm asking those who are still using v. 16 to share their opinions. And not just about reports, but if you think there are other ways in which v. 16 is superior. >Please give examples, and keep your comments constructive. > >Judy in Ocala

Tim, You said: "I would like to see them add back the ability print a bibliographycontaining only those sources requested. Currently it appears one can only print a bibliography that contains all sources defined within your FTM file. This makes the bibliography report essentially useless unless one is creating a report or book for ALL people in your FTM database. With FTM 16, I could generate a report about a group of specific people and attach a bibliography of only those sources relevant to that group of specific people. I've been unable to figure out how to do that in FTM 2010, FTM 2012, and now FTM 2014." I just when into Version 16, selected View, Reports, Bibliography and the information in the Report was the SAME as the Publish Workspace, Sources Report, Bibliography, with the same Annotated Bibliography as in FTM2014. They look the SAME. I do not have that option to select people in Version 16, the same as in FTM2014 Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Timothy N. West via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I would like to see them add back the ability print a bibliography containing only those sources requested. Currently it appears one can only print a bibliography that contains all sources defined within your FTM file. This makes the bibliography report essentially useless unless one is creating a report or book for ALL people in your FTM database. With FTM 16, I could generate a report about a group of specific people and attach a bibliography of only those sources relevant to that group of specific people. I've been unable to figure out how to do that in FTM 2010, FTM 2012, and now FTM 2014. Unfortunately, even within the Book Feature, creating a bibliography includes all sources within the FTM file regardless of their use within that book. There is no way to tell the bibliography feature to only produce the list of sources used for select individuals. We used to be able to do this in FTM 16 and earlier versions. It disappeared when FTM 2010, 2012, and now 2014 were released. And since I'm wishing for changes with the bibliography, I would like to see the annotation paragraphs (within the bibliography) indented to make it easier to see where each bibliographic entry begins and ends. FTM 2014 provides a hanging indent for the source and then again with the annotation. Yes, bibliographic source entries are separated by a white space line but so are the annotations. Because both the bibliographic source entry and its respective annotation are formatted exactly the same, it is not easy to scan the bibliography looking for a specific entry even when alphabetized. Looking through a 106 page bibliography to find a specific source, while not impossible, is not as easy as it should be because the annotations appear to the brain to mess up the alphabetic sequence. I thought I might be able to use font changes to distinguish but, alas, FTM does not provide that level of font granularity. FTM2010-2014 do offer the option to show a dotted line divider between sources but the dotted line is very faint and thus doesn't really help the reader. Below is a quick sample output of what I see and what I would like to see. (Note: The dotted lines are a lot darker here than they appear in the FTM Source Bibliography report). ======Current FTM2014 Sample======= Bible of Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock Smith (Texas Centennial Blue Ribbon Bible; John A Hertel Company, Chicago, IL; 1948), Debbie Reynolds, 15 Mandy Lane, Forsyth, GA 31029. Source Medium: Book Lists the grandparents, great-grandparents, and dates of both Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock. Lists their children, birth dates, death dates, marriage dates, spouse and lists many of their grandchildren. ................................................................. Blasius-Baker Funeral Home, Blasius-Baker Funeral Home Memorial Card (9320 West St., Manassas, VA), Copy in possession of Timothy N. West. Source Medium: Card Gloria Dean Plaugher provided the card because I was unable to attend the funeral. ................................................................. Blevins, Ray and Laccie, Jonathan Blevins Sr. of Virginia and His Descendants (Overmountain Press, Johnson City, TN; 1982), Copy held by Mark S. Blevins, P.O. Box 4491, Chattanooga, TN 37405-0491. Source Medium: Book This book was a special edition (not for the general public), and it is no longer in print. Ray Blevins is working on a new edition of this book. ................................................................. Boat Capsizes - Harness Youth Drowns - Brother of Victim Saved by Companion (18289 Alberta Street, Oneida, TN 37841, The Scott County News, 22 Jul 1976). ................................................................. Borden, Duane L. and Jeanette Conner Ritenour, Marriages, Shenandoah County, Virginia 1850-1882 (Duane L. Borden, 5995 West Arizona Ave., Denver, CO 80226; 1987), Fairfax County Public Library, Fairfax, Fairfax Co, VA, VREF 929.3755 SHEN. Source Medium: Book A compilation of marriages taken from the Shenandoah Co, VA marriage registers. The author believes the compilation reaches into approximately 85% of the families residing in Shenandoah Co during 9 Jul 1850 through 25 Dec 1881. Some genealogy had been added to the compilation by the authors and is usually identified within parentheses below the marriage. The primary index lists both grooms and brides. A supplemental index is also included and identifies names missed in the primary index. ................................................................. ======End current sample======= I would prefer the title of the entry to be bolded and the annotation to be fully indented (not just hanging indented). I think the bibliography would be better suited to be formatted as follows (unfortunately I can't show bolded titles within the FTM-TECH list): ======Preferred sample======== Bible of Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock Smith (Texas Centennial Blue Ribbon Bible; John A Hertel Company, Chicago, IL; 1948), Debbie Reynolds, 15 Mandy Lane, Forsyth, GA 31029. Source Medium: Book Lists the grandparents, great-grandparents, and dates of both Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock. Lists their children, birth dates, death dates, marriage dates, spouse and lists many of their grandchildren. Blasius-Baker Funeral Home, Blasius-Baker Funeral Home Memorial Card (9320 West St., Manassas, VA), Copy in possession of Timothy N. West. Source Medium: Card Gloria Dean Plaugher provided the card because I was unable to attend the funeral. Blevins, Ray and Laccie, Jonathan Blevins Sr. of Virginia and His Descendants (Overmountain Press, Johnson City, TN; 1982), Copy held by Mark S. Blevins, P.O. Box 4491, Chattanooga, TN 37405-0491. Source Medium: Book This book was a special edition (not for the general public), and it is no longer in print. Ray Blevins is working on a new edition of this book. Boat Capsizes - Harness Youth Drowns - Brother of Victim Saved by Companion (18289 Alberta Street, Oneida, TN 37841, The Scott County News, 22 Jul 1976). Borden, Duane L. and Jeanette Conner Ritenour, Marriages, Shenandoah County, Virginia 1850-1882 (Duane L. Borden, 5995 West Arizona Ave., Denver, CO 80226; 1987), Fairfax County Public Library, Fairfax, Fairfax Co, VA, VREF 929.3755 SHEN. Source Medium: Book A compilation of marriages taken from the Shenandoah Co, VA marriage registers. The author believes the compilation reaches into approximately 85% of the families residing in Shenandoah Co during 9 Jul 1850 through 25 Dec 1881. Some genealogy had been added to the compilation by the authors and is usually identified within parentheses below the marriage. The primary index lists both grooms and brides. A supplemental index is also included and identifies names missed in the primary index. =======End preferred sample======== .tim west. Scott County, Tennessee Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project http://www.tngenweb.org/scott ------------------Original Message------------------ >From: Judy in Ocala <treewright@gmail.com> >Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 16 v. 2014: The Great Debate >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:47:13 -0500 > >We are coming up on 8 years since v. 16 was completely reprogrammed to a new database structure. In the beginning, we all felt that v. 2008 was lacking many of the features that we loved in 16. >Over the years many improvements and enhancements have been made to succeeding versions and upgrades. As a result, version 2014 is a much more stable, robust, and versatile program than 2008 was. >But in spite of the many improvements, there is an bedrock of loyal users of v. 16. One of the reasons often given for sticking with 16 is the reports, but there hasn't been much discussion about why the reports in 16 are better. >So I'm asking those who are still using v. 16 to share their opinions. And not just about reports, but if you think there are other ways in which v. 16 is superior. >Please give examples, and keep your comments constructive. > >Judy in Ocala ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Russ, I would like to argue authoritatively with you but unfortunately I can't. I no longer have FTM16 on my desktop. Thought I might still have it on my laptop but it's not there either. So I went looking for my installation disks and apparently I decided to throw them away when I made the decision to stay with FTM2014 (even though I still have the FTM2008, FTM2010, and FTM2012 disks - go figure!). Arg! I wished I could see an FTM16 version so I could show you. I still have printed books made with FTM16 that include bibliographies that only include sources specific to the people in the book. I know I did not edit the bibliography to remove the non-relevant entries - that would be too much like work. I know I created specific bibliographies all the time. I would often include them in responses to various queries to provide evidence (or where to find the evidence) for my assertions about particular families and relationships. Now if someone wanted to donate me an FTM16 installation disk, I'd install it so I could show you how to create a content specific bibliography. But for the sake of the discussion, let's say you are right; that still leaves the bibliography report as relatively useless unless you want to create a book of everyone in your database or you want an every source bibliography report for some other reason. I don't think most people create books of everyone in their database. I'd say the book is usually about a subset of people in the database; for instance, your maternal side or your paternal side or your side versus your spouse's side. In any other book one would create or read, you'd never find sources in the bibliography unrelated to the content of the book. Why does FTM2014 do that? It makes no sense. .tim west. Scott County, Tennessee Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project <http://www.tngenweb.org/scott> http://www.tngenweb.org/scott From: H R Worthington [mailto:rworthington@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 4:25 PM To: Timothy N. West; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Tim, You said: "I would like to see them add back the ability print a bibliography containing only those sources requested. Currently it appears one can only print a bibliography that contains all sources defined within your FTM file. This makes the bibliography report essentially useless unless one is creating a report or book for ALL people in your FTM database. With FTM 16, I could generate a report about a group of specific people and attach a bibliography of only those sources relevant to that group of specific people. I've been unable to figure out how to do that in FTM 2010, FTM 2012, and now FTM 2014." I just when into Version 16, selected View, Reports, Bibliography and the information in the Report was the SAME as the Publish Workspace, Sources Report, Bibliography, with the same Annotated Bibliography as in FTM2014. They look the SAME. I do not have that option to select people in Version 16, the same as in FTM2014 Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net _____ From: Timothy N. West via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I would like to see them add back the ability print a bibliography containing only those sources requested. Currently it appears one can only print a bibliography that contains all sources defined within your FTM file. This makes the bibliography report essentially useless unless one is creating a report or book for ALL people in your FTM database. With FTM 16, I could generate a report about a group of specific people and attach a bibliography of only those sources relevant to that group of specific people. I've been unable to figure out how to do that in FTM 2010, FTM 2012, and now FTM 2014. Unfortunately, even within the Book Feature, creating a bibliography includes all sources within the FTM file regardless of their use within that book. There is no way to tell the bibliography feature to only produce the list of sources used for select individuals. We used to be able to do this in FTM 16 and earlier versions. It disappeared when FTM 2010, 2012, and now 2014 were released. And since I'm wishing for changes with the bibliography, I would like to see the annotation paragraphs (within the bibliography) indented to make it easier to see where each bibliographic entry begins and ends. FTM 2014 provides a hanging indent for the source and then again with the annotation. Yes, bibliographic source entries are separated by a white space line but so are the annotations. Because both the bibliographic source entry and its respective annotation are formatted exactly the same, it is not easy to scan the bibliography looking for a specific entry even when alphabetized. Looking through a 106 page bibliography to find a specific source, while not impossible, is not as easy as it should be because the annotations appear to the brain to mess up the alphabetic sequence. I thought I might be able to use font changes to distinguish but, alas, FTM does not provide that level of font granularity. FTM2010-2014 do offer the option to show a dotted line divider between sources but the dotted line is very faint and thus doesn't really help the reader. Below is a quick sample output of what I see and what I would like to see. (Note: The dotted lines are a lot darker here than they appear in the FTM Source Bibliography report). ======Current FTM2014 Sample======= Bible of Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock Smith (Texas Centennial Blue Ribbon Bible; John A Hertel Company, Chicago, IL; 1948), Debbie Reynolds, 15 Mandy Lane, Forsyth, GA 31029. Source Medium: Book Lists the grandparents, great-grandparents, and dates of both Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock. Lists their children, birth dates, death dates, marriage dates, spouse and lists many of their grandchildren. ................................................................. Blasius-Baker Funeral Home, Blasius-Baker Funeral Home Memorial Card (9320 West St., Manassas, VA), Copy in possession of Timothy N. West. Source Medium: Card Gloria Dean Plaugher provided the card because I was unable to attend the funeral. ................................................................. Blevins, Ray and Laccie, Jonathan Blevins Sr. of Virginia and His Descendants (Overmountain Press, Johnson City, TN; 1982), Copy held by Mark S. Blevins, P.O. Box 4491, Chattanooga, TN 37405-0491. Source Medium: Book This book was a special edition (not for the general public), and it is no longer in print. Ray Blevins is working on a new edition of this book. ................................................................. Boat Capsizes - Harness Youth Drowns - Brother of Victim Saved by Companion (18289 Alberta Street, Oneida, TN 37841, The Scott County News, 22 Jul 1976). ................................................................. Borden, Duane L. and Jeanette Conner Ritenour, Marriages, Shenandoah County, Virginia 1850-1882 (Duane L. Borden, 5995 West Arizona Ave., Denver, CO 80226; 1987), Fairfax County Public Library, Fairfax, Fairfax Co, VA, VREF 929.3755 SHEN. Source Medium: Book A compilation of marriages taken from the Shenandoah Co, VA marriage registers. The author believes the compilation reaches into approximately 85% of the families residing in Shenandoah Co during 9 Jul 1850 through 25 Dec 1881. Some genealogy had been added to the compilation by the authors and is usually identified within parentheses below the marriage. The primary index lists both grooms and brides. A supplemental index is also included and identifies names missed in the primary index. ................................................................. ======End current sample======= I would prefer the title of the entry to be bolded and the annotation to be fully indented (not just hanging indented). I think the bibliography would be better suited to be formatted as follows (unfortunately I can't show bolded titles within the FTM-TECH list): ======Preferred sample======== Bible of Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock Smith (Texas Centennial Blue Ribbon Bible; John A Hertel Company, Chicago, IL; 1948), Debbie Reynolds, 15 Mandy Lane, Forsyth, GA 31029. Source Medium: Book Lists the grandparents, great-grandparents, and dates of both Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock. Lists their children, birth dates, death dates, marriage dates, spouse and lists many of their grandchildren. Blasius-Baker Funeral Home, Blasius-Baker Funeral Home Memorial Card (9320 West St., Manassas, VA), Copy in possession of Timothy N. West. Source Medium: Card Gloria Dean Plaugher provided the card because I was unable to attend the funeral. Blevins, Ray and Laccie, Jonathan Blevins Sr. of Virginia and His Descendants (Overmountain Press, Johnson City, TN; 1982), Copy held by Mark S. Blevins, P.O. Box 4491, Chattanooga, TN 37405-0491. Source Medium: Book This book was a special edition (not for the general public), and it is no longer in print. Ray Blevins is working on a new edition of this book. Boat Capsizes - Harness Youth Drowns - Brother of Victim Saved by Companion (18289 Alberta Street, Oneida, TN 37841, The Scott County News, 22 Jul 1976). Borden, Duane L. and Jeanette Conner Ritenour, Marriages, Shenandoah County, Virginia 1850-1882 (Duane L. Borden, 5995 West Arizona Ave., Denver, CO 80226; 1987), Fairfax County Public Library, Fairfax, Fairfax Co, VA, VREF 929.3755 SHEN. Source Medium: Book A compilation of marriages taken from the Shenandoah Co, VA marriage registers. The author believes the compilation reaches into approximately 85% of the families residing in Shenandoah Co during 9 Jul 1850 through 25 Dec 1881. Some genealogy had been added to the compilation by the authors and is usually identified within parentheses below the marriage. The primary index lists both grooms and brides. A supplemental index is also included and identifies names missed in the primary index. =======End preferred sample======== .tim west. Scott County, Tennessee Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project http://www.tngenweb.org/scott ------------------Original Message------------------ >From: Judy in Ocala <treewright@gmail.com> >Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 16 v. 2014: The Great Debate >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:47:13 -0500 > >We are coming up on 8 years since v. 16 was completely reprogrammed to a new database structure. In the beginning, we all felt that v. 2008 was lacking many of the features that we loved in 16. >Over the years many improvements and enhancements have been made to succeeding versions and upgrades. As a result, version 2014 is a much more stable, robust, and versatile program than 2008 was. >But in spite of the many improvements, there is an bedrock of loyal users of v. 16. One of the reasons often given for sticking with 16 is the reports, but there hasn't been much discussion about why the reports in 16 are better. >So I'm asking those who are still using v. 16 to share their opinions. And not just about reports, but if you think there are other ways in which v. 16 is superior. >Please give examples, and keep your comments constructive. > >Judy in Ocala ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I like that suggestion. I have been wanting that too! I haven't needed to create a bibliography in a while, so I had forgotten about that problem. Judy in Ocala > On Feb 25, 2015, at 3:20 PM, Timothy N. West via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > I would like to see them add back the ability print a bibliography > containing only those sources requested. Currently it appears one can only > print a bibliography that contains all sources defined within your FTM file. > This makes the bibliography report essentially useless unless one is > creating a report or book for ALL people in your FTM database. > > With FTM 16, I could generate a report about a group of specific people and > attach a bibliography of only those sources relevant to that group of > specific people. I've been unable to figure out how to do that in FTM 2010, > FTM 2012, and now FTM 2014. > > Unfortunately, even within the Book Feature, creating a bibliography > includes all sources within the FTM file regardless of their use within that > book. There is no way to tell the bibliography feature to only produce the > list of sources used for select individuals. We used to be able to do this > in FTM 16 and earlier versions. It disappeared when FTM 2010, 2012, and now > 2014 were released. > > And since I'm wishing for changes with the bibliography, I would like to see > the annotation paragraphs (within the bibliography) indented to make it > easier to see where each bibliographic entry begins and ends. > > FTM 2014 provides a hanging indent for the source and then again with the > annotation. Yes, bibliographic source entries are separated by a white > space line but so are the annotations. Because both the bibliographic > source entry and its respective annotation are formatted exactly the same, > it is not easy to scan the bibliography looking for a specific entry even > when alphabetized. Looking through a 106 page bibliography to find a > specific source, while not impossible, is not as easy as it should be > because the annotations appear to the brain to mess up the alphabetic > sequence. I thought I might be able to use font changes to distinguish but, > alas, FTM does not provide that level of font granularity. FTM2010-2014 do > offer the option to show a dotted line divider between sources but the > dotted line is very faint and thus doesn't really help the reader. Below is > a quick sample output of what I see and what I would like to see. (Note: > The dotted lines are a lot darker here than they appear in the FTM Source > Bibliography report). > > ======Current FTM2014 Sample======= > > Bible of Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock Smith (Texas Centennial Blue Ribbon > Bible; John A Hertel > Company, Chicago, IL; 1948), Debbie Reynolds, 15 Mandy Lane, > Forsyth, GA 31029. Source > Medium: Book > > Lists the grandparents, great-grandparents, and dates of both Goldman Smith > and Letha Hammock. Lists > their children, birth dates, death dates, marriage dates, spouse and > lists many of their > grandchildren. > ................................................................. > Blasius-Baker Funeral Home, Blasius-Baker Funeral Home Memorial Card (9320 > West St., Manassas, > VA), Copy in possession of Timothy N. West. Source Medium: Card > > Gloria Dean Plaugher provided the card because I was unable to attend the > funeral. > ................................................................. > Blevins, Ray and Laccie, Jonathan Blevins Sr. of Virginia and His > Descendants (Overmountain Press, > Johnson City, TN; 1982), Copy held by Mark S. Blevins, P.O. Box > 4491, Chattanooga, TN > 37405-0491. Source Medium: Book > > This book was a special edition (not for the general public), and it is no > longer in print. Ray Blevins is > working on a new edition of this book. > ................................................................. > Boat Capsizes - Harness Youth Drowns - Brother of Victim Saved by Companion > (18289 Alberta Street, > Oneida, TN 37841, The Scott County News, 22 Jul 1976). > ................................................................. > Borden, Duane L. and Jeanette Conner Ritenour, Marriages, Shenandoah County, > Virginia 1850-1882 > (Duane L. Borden, 5995 West Arizona Ave., Denver, CO 80226; 1987), > Fairfax County Public > Library, Fairfax, Fairfax Co, VA, VREF 929.3755 SHEN. Source Medium: > Book > > A compilation of marriages taken from the Shenandoah Co, VA marriage > registers. The author believes > the compilation reaches into approximately 85% of the families > residing in Shenandoah Co during > 9 Jul 1850 through 25 Dec 1881. Some genealogy had been added to the > compilation by the > authors and is usually identified within parentheses below the > marriage. The primary index lists > both grooms and brides. A supplemental index is also included and > identifies names missed in > the primary index. > ................................................................. > ======End current sample======= > > I would prefer the title of the entry to be bolded and the annotation to be > fully indented (not just hanging indented). I think the bibliography would > be better suited to be formatted as follows (unfortunately I can't show > bolded titles within the FTM-TECH list): > > ======Preferred sample======== > > Bible of Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock Smith (Texas Centennial Blue Ribbon > Bible; John A Hertel > Company, Chicago, IL; 1948), Debbie Reynolds, 15 Mandy Lane, > Forsyth, GA 31029. Source > Medium: Book > > Lists the grandparents, great-grandparents, and dates of both > Goldman Smith and Letha Hammock. > Lists their children, birth dates, death dates, marriage dates, > spouse and lists many of their > grandchildren. > > Blasius-Baker Funeral Home, Blasius-Baker Funeral Home Memorial Card (9320 > West St., Manassas, > VA), Copy in possession of Timothy N. West. Source Medium: Card > > Gloria Dean Plaugher provided the card because I was unable to > attend the funeral. > > Blevins, Ray and Laccie, Jonathan Blevins Sr. of Virginia and His > Descendants (Overmountain Press, > Johnson City, TN; 1982), Copy held by Mark S. Blevins, P.O. Box > 4491, Chattanooga, TN > 37405-0491. Source Medium: Book > > This book was a special edition (not for the general public), and it > is no longer in print. Ray > Blevins is working on a new edition of this book. > > Boat Capsizes - Harness Youth Drowns - Brother of Victim Saved by Companion > (18289 Alberta Street, > Oneida, TN 37841, The Scott County News, 22 Jul 1976). > > Borden, Duane L. and Jeanette Conner Ritenour, Marriages, Shenandoah County, > Virginia 1850-1882 > (Duane L. Borden, 5995 West Arizona Ave., Denver, CO 80226; 1987), > Fairfax County Public > Library, Fairfax, Fairfax Co, VA, VREF 929.3755 SHEN. Source Medium: > Book > > A compilation of marriages taken from the Shenandoah Co, VA marriage > registers. The author > believes the compilation reaches into approximately 85% of the > families residing in Shenandoah > Co during 9 Jul 1850 through 25 Dec 1881. Some genealogy had been > added to the compilation > by the authors and is usually identified within parentheses below > the marriage. The primary > index lists both grooms and brides. A supplemental index is also > included and identifies names > missed in the primary index. > > =======End preferred sample======== > > > .tim west. > > Scott County, Tennessee Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project > http://www.tngenweb.org/scott > > ------------------Original Message------------------ >> From: Judy in Ocala <treewright@gmail.com> >> Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 16 v. 2014: The Great Debate >> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:47:13 -0500 >> >> We are coming up on 8 years since v. 16 was completely reprogrammed to a > new database structure. In the beginning, we all felt that v. 2008 was > lacking many of the features that we loved in 16. >> Over the years many improvements and enhancements have been made to > succeeding versions and upgrades. As a result, version 2014 is a much more > stable, robust, and versatile program than 2008 was. >> But in spite of the many improvements, there is an bedrock of loyal users > of v. 16. One of the reasons often given for sticking with 16 is the > reports, but there hasn't been much discussion about why the reports in 16 > are better. >> So I'm asking those who are still using v. 16 to share their opinions. And > not just about reports, but if you think there are other ways in which v. 16 > is superior. >> Please give examples, and keep your comments constructive. >> >> Judy in Ocala > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message