Tony, So 1 GB is not enough memory for the memory management that FTM Mac does, but IS ENOUGH memory for Reunion to do the same task on the very same machine. A valuable data point (lesson)for the writers of FTM Mac. I will be reporting it, along with the fact that (at least some of) their competitors don't have the problem. John On 7/31/2011 12:28 PM, Anthony Knight wrote: > John > > So I am now in Lion on my MBP which has a 2.4GHZ i5 processor and 8GB of > memory > > I have ready on my desktop a gedcom two months old and weighing in at 47mb. > > FTMM is up and running and I have started loading my gedcom. > > FTMM reports it has 103118 individuals 38840 families, 11429 sources and > 569669 records. > > Processor usage is running at 100% with 10 threads. Real Memory usage at 69% > saved to database is 2.19GB and as it finishes it drops back to 1.94GB. > Total 11.44 minutes. I have to own up to forgetting that it is the Windows > versions which have the problem with time for loading. My iPhone App which > was developed with my database takes about 12 minutes or so > > I repeat my feeling that your machine is simply not in FTM terms up to the > task. To paraphrase an Irish comic, "it's the way it processes them" > > Tony > > > On 31/07/2011 16:19, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> On 7/31/2011 2:24 AM, Anthony Knight wrote: >>> John >>> >>> And there we have one of the mysteries of FTM. Its gedcom import facility is >>> very poor compared to other programs. What takes minutes on others takes >>> hours on FTM. I would guestimate between one and two hours for the one you >>> have used. >> >> I watched the CPU use of both processors via a tool bar activity >> monitor. When it reached 73% the activity essentially stopped. Just >> background normal 0-3% like levels of normal activity, none likely >> from FTM. (hmm, I could do a UNIX "top" and see where the CPU is >> really going, UNIX is at the core of Mac OS X and one of its most >> attractive features for me!). Are you saying it was actually probably >> still crawling along with less than about 1% CPU usage shown? >> >> I am firing up my Windows machine which has a version of Legacy and >> Cognatio to test the GEDCOM import. When I changed hardware I think >> I never bothered to install TMG or FTM Windows (not current versions). >> Maybe I'll try firing up my next oldest Windows machine where I think >> the old versions still live on just to see if they have this GEDCOM >> import problem. >> >> I have gotten the owner of the GEDCOM's permission to file a bug report >> with Ancestry. I'll continue to gather what more data I can, and then >> see how to best do that. >> >> I will be adding a new column to my personal list of required features >> for a genealogy program at: >> >> http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/software/ >> >> "100k GEDCOM Import". So far: >> FTM Mac = Failure >> Reunion = "*****" >> Legacy = unknown but will be known in a few hours >> >> John >> >>> In this instance and limiting your consideration to FTMM I think you will >>> find that the spec on your machine is the problem. My FTMM file was created >>> from a RootsMagic 4 gedcom which whilst it only had 94000 or so people at >>> the time was well over 40MB >>> >>> My comment about Mono is based on comments by my programmer son. Here though >>> is a description from the mono-project.com website. It is an integral part >>> of the program and you will see that its use is acknowledged in the >>> Acknowledgements (Help Menu). The latest version of Mono if integrated into >>> the program may solve the problem. >>> >>> >>> Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily create >>> cross platform applications. Sponsored by Xamarin, Mono is an open source >>> implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards for >>> C# and the Common Language Runtime A growing family of solutions and an >>> active and enthusiastic contributing community is helping position Mono to >>> become the leading choice for development of Linux applications. >>> >>> Depending on your view of the potential quality of what is said, you will >>> find an article in Wikipedia. >>> >>> If you want to see a similar problem try running Furefox for a while opening >>> and closing tabs frequently whilst having Activity Monitor running. You >>> should see the program grabbing more and more memory >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31/07/2011 04:11, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: >>> >>>> One kind person made available to me their own GEDCOM file for >>>> testing purposes (not to be distributed, and I'll even keep >>>> their identity secret unless they want to speak up). >>>> >>>> In short, it failed import into FTM Mac, but not Reunion (Mac). >>>> >>>> The gory details are below. >>>> >>>> I'll be in touch with the file owner to see if and how we can >>>> log a bug report with Ancestry/FTM Mac. A concrete failure >>>> example is worth 1000 failure descriptions. ;-) >>>> >>>> -John >>>> >>>> 30 Jul 2011 >>>> ============= >>>> Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 >>>> OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 >>>> Hardware: >>>> Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo >>>> Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM >>>> ============= >>>> GEDCOM file supplied with over 100,000 people: 25.5 MB >>>> >>>> Attempted import to FTM Mac: >>>> >>>> About 25 seconds Analyzing file... >>>> Processing Records: >>>> 2 min 25% >>>> 4 min 57% (at about 100,000 people) >>>> 5 min 74% now in families >>>> >>>> 129,107 individuals >>>> 50,985 families >>>> 0 errors >>>> >>>> 6 min saving to database >>>> 7 min 15% complete >>>> 8 min 23% >>>> 9 min 38% >>>> 10 min 57% >>>> 11 min 73% >>>> 12 min 73% >>>> 13 min 73% >>>> ... >>>> 16 min 73% >>>> 23 min 73% >>>> hit cancel, it did quit and removed the .ftmd file >>>> FAILED! >>>> ============= >>>> Try to import the GEDCOM to Reunion (Mac) >>>> Program: Reunion 9.0c 1988-2009 >>>> same Mac hardware as above >>>> >>>> Analyze: >>>> 129,107 people >>>> 50,985 families >>>> >>>> 4 min ~ 1/3 done >>>> 6 min ~ 1/2 done >>>> 9 min ~ 90% done >>>> 10 min linking >>>> 11 min ~ 50% linking >>>> 12 min ~ 75% linking >>>> 14 min ~ 90% linking >>>> 15 min 100% and done (even writing file) >>>> SUCCESS! >>>> >>>> the .familyfile is 46.3 MB >>>> >>>> ============= >>>> Next did a successful GEDCOM export from the successful import of the >>>> file into Reunion >>>> >>>> GEDCOM 29.1 MB >>>> ============= >>>> Attempted to import this newly written GEDCOM to FTM Mac: >>>> >>>> 2 min 23% >>>> 5 min 50% >>>> 5 min 30 sec (106,500 people) >>>> 6 min 63% >>>> 8 min 95% >>>> 9 min saving to database >>>> >>>> 129,107 people >>>> 50,983 families >>>> >>>> 11 min 41% complete >>>> 13 min 68% complete >>>> 14 min 73% complete >>>> >>>> 17 min 73% complete >>>> canceled it FAILED! >>>> ============= >>>> So FTM Mac stops at writing the database file at 73% in both cases! >>>> ============= >>>> >>>> On 7/30/2011 5:25 PM, John Yates wrote: >>>>> Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at least >>>>> 100,000 people? >>>>> >>>>> If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. >>>>> >>>> >>>> ********************************** >>>> List information page >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>>> >>>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>>> Version 16 and earlier >>>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>>> >>>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ********************************** >>> List information page >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>> >>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>> Version 16 and earlier >>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >> Version 16 and earlier >> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> Version 2008 - 2011 >> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
John Yes, that is how it goes. Ancestry are well aware that their program, will feature rich, is performance poor. Never mind the quality, feel the width as a British comedy series was titled. Tony -----Original Message----- From: John Yates Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:41 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM for Mac vs FTM for PC Tony, So 1 GB is not enough memory for the memory management that FTM Mac does, but IS ENOUGH memory for Reunion to do the same task on the very same machine. A valuable data point (lesson)for the writers of FTM Mac. I will be reporting it, along with the fact that (at least some of) their competitors don't have the problem. John On 7/31/2011 12:28 PM, Anthony Knight wrote: > John > > So I am now in Lion on my MBP which has a 2.4GHZ i5 processor and 8GB of > memory > > I have ready on my desktop a gedcom two months old and weighing in at > 47mb. > > FTMM is up and running and I have started loading my gedcom. > > FTMM reports it has 103118 individuals 38840 families, 11429 sources and > 569669 records. > > Processor usage is running at 100% with 10 threads. Real Memory usage at > 69% > saved to database is 2.19GB and as it finishes it drops back to 1.94GB. > Total 11.44 minutes. I have to own up to forgetting that it is the Windows > versions which have the problem with time for loading. My iPhone App which > was developed with my database takes about 12 minutes or so > > I repeat my feeling that your machine is simply not in FTM terms up to the > task. To paraphrase an Irish comic, "it's the way it processes them" > > Tony > > > On 31/07/2011 16:19, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> On 7/31/2011 2:24 AM, Anthony Knight wrote: >>> John >>> >>> And there we have one of the mysteries of FTM. Its gedcom import >>> facility is >>> very poor compared to other programs. What takes minutes on others takes >>> hours on FTM. I would guestimate between one and two hours for the one >>> you >>> have used. >> >> I watched the CPU use of both processors via a tool bar activity >> monitor. When it reached 73% the activity essentially stopped. Just >> background normal 0-3% like levels of normal activity, none likely >> from FTM. (hmm, I could do a UNIX "top" and see where the CPU is >> really going, UNIX is at the core of Mac OS X and one of its most >> attractive features for me!). Are you saying it was actually probably >> still crawling along with less than about 1% CPU usage shown? >> >> I am firing up my Windows machine which has a version of Legacy and >> Cognatio to test the GEDCOM import. When I changed hardware I think >> I never bothered to install TMG or FTM Windows (not current versions). >> Maybe I'll try firing up my next oldest Windows machine where I think >> the old versions still live on just to see if they have this GEDCOM >> import problem. >> >> I have gotten the owner of the GEDCOM's permission to file a bug report >> with Ancestry. I'll continue to gather what more data I can, and then >> see how to best do that. >> >> I will be adding a new column to my personal list of required features >> for a genealogy program at: >> >> http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/software/ >> >> "100k GEDCOM Import". So far: >> FTM Mac = Failure >> Reunion = "*****" >> Legacy = unknown but will be known in a few hours >> >> John >> >>> In this instance and limiting your consideration to FTMM I think you >>> will >>> find that the spec on your machine is the problem. My FTMM file was >>> created >>> from a RootsMagic 4 gedcom which whilst it only had 94000 or so people >>> at >>> the time was well over 40MB >>> >>> My comment about Mono is based on comments by my programmer son. Here >>> though >>> is a description from the mono-project.com website. It is an integral >>> part >>> of the program and you will see that its use is acknowledged in the >>> Acknowledgements (Help Menu). The latest version of Mono if integrated >>> into >>> the program may solve the problem. >>> >>> >>> Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily >>> create >>> cross platform applications. Sponsored by Xamarin, Mono is an open >>> source >>> implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards >>> for >>> C# and the Common Language Runtime A growing family of solutions and an >>> active and enthusiastic contributing community is helping position Mono >>> to >>> become the leading choice for development of Linux applications. >>> >>> Depending on your view of the potential quality of what is said, you >>> will >>> find an article in Wikipedia. >>> >>> If you want to see a similar problem try running Furefox for a while >>> opening >>> and closing tabs frequently whilst having Activity Monitor running. You >>> should see the program grabbing more and more memory >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31/07/2011 04:11, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: >>> >>>> One kind person made available to me their own GEDCOM file for >>>> testing purposes (not to be distributed, and I'll even keep >>>> their identity secret unless they want to speak up). >>>> >>>> In short, it failed import into FTM Mac, but not Reunion (Mac). >>>> >>>> The gory details are below. >>>> >>>> I'll be in touch with the file owner to see if and how we can >>>> log a bug report with Ancestry/FTM Mac. A concrete failure >>>> example is worth 1000 failure descriptions. ;-) >>>> >>>> -John >>>> >>>> 30 Jul 2011 >>>> ============= >>>> Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 >>>> OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 >>>> Hardware: >>>> Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo >>>> Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM >>>> ============= >>>> GEDCOM file supplied with over 100,000 people: 25.5 MB >>>> >>>> Attempted import to FTM Mac: >>>> >>>> About 25 seconds Analyzing file... >>>> Processing Records: >>>> 2 min 25% >>>> 4 min 57% (at about 100,000 people) >>>> 5 min 74% now in families >>>> >>>> 129,107 individuals >>>> 50,985 families >>>> 0 errors >>>> >>>> 6 min saving to database >>>> 7 min 15% complete >>>> 8 min 23% >>>> 9 min 38% >>>> 10 min 57% >>>> 11 min 73% >>>> 12 min 73% >>>> 13 min 73% >>>> ... >>>> 16 min 73% >>>> 23 min 73% >>>> hit cancel, it did quit and removed the .ftmd file >>>> FAILED! >>>> ============= >>>> Try to import the GEDCOM to Reunion (Mac) >>>> Program: Reunion 9.0c 1988-2009 >>>> same Mac hardware as above >>>> >>>> Analyze: >>>> 129,107 people >>>> 50,985 families >>>> >>>> 4 min ~ 1/3 done >>>> 6 min ~ 1/2 done >>>> 9 min ~ 90% done >>>> 10 min linking >>>> 11 min ~ 50% linking >>>> 12 min ~ 75% linking >>>> 14 min ~ 90% linking >>>> 15 min 100% and done (even writing file) >>>> SUCCESS! >>>> >>>> the .familyfile is 46.3 MB >>>> >>>> ============= >>>> Next did a successful GEDCOM export from the successful import of the >>>> file into Reunion >>>> >>>> GEDCOM 29.1 MB >>>> ============= >>>> Attempted to import this newly written GEDCOM to FTM Mac: >>>> >>>> 2 min 23% >>>> 5 min 50% >>>> 5 min 30 sec (106,500 people) >>>> 6 min 63% >>>> 8 min 95% >>>> 9 min saving to database >>>> >>>> 129,107 people >>>> 50,983 families >>>> >>>> 11 min 41% complete >>>> 13 min 68% complete >>>> 14 min 73% complete >>>> >>>> 17 min 73% complete >>>> canceled it FAILED! >>>> ============= >>>> So FTM Mac stops at writing the database file at 73% in both cases! >>>> ============= >>>> >>>> On 7/30/2011 5:25 PM, John Yates wrote: >>>>> Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at >>>>> least >>>>> 100,000 people? >>>>> >>>>> If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. >>>>> >>>> >>>> ********************************** >>>> List information page >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>>> >>>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>>> Version 16 and earlier >>>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>>> >>>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ********************************** >>> List information page >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>> >>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>> Version 16 and earlier >>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >> Version 16 and earlier >> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> Version 2008 - 2011 >> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message