99% of the time I am working on-screen, not with printable reports. I'd like to be able to read what's in the description. I use the description field to provide details that make the fact meaningful. For example, for a residence fact: "44 Meserole Avenue: The household included William Reichert (38), Elizabeth Reichert (36), Lillian Reichert (16), Edward Reichert (13), Mildred Reichert (10), Edna Reichert (6), William Reichert (5), Albert Reichert (3 9/12)." For a military fact: "Leander Morley volunteered for a second enlistment in the Army of the United States, Company K, 53rd Regiment, with Capt. Anderson. Isaac Morley also volunteered on the same day." More often than not, I'd like to add more content to the description field than space allows. ________________________________ From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, WHAT do you put in the description field for a fact, where you want it to word wrap? It will word wrap when printed, just not on the screen. What do you use the description field for? Russ

It's actually STILL not long enough. When I mouse-over the "description" field, the content is still truncated. From: Judy in Ocala <treewright@gmail.com> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 7:14 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate If you mouse over the item, you can read it all. Judy in Ocala

The issue has nothing to do with editing the source-citation. The issue is with how many identical source-citations are stored in the two data bases. You may not see the problem because I think you tend to use one source-citation per individual. I on the other hand may use one source-citation for multiple individuals. Let's say that I have a family Bible which records the births, marriages and deaths of a Father, Mother and four children. All of this information is recorded on three pages, numbered pages 135 through 137, one page for each type of information i.e. Birth, Marriage and Death. I may enter a single source, Taylor Family Bible. I then create one source which cites pages 135 through 137. I enter Citation Text, "Births, Marriages and Deaths of the James Taylor family". I then link this one source-citation to the father's, James Taylor's birth, marriage and death facts. I also link this same citation to the mother's birth, marriage and death facts. I continue by linking this same source-citation to the birth, marriage and death facts for each of the four children. The end result is the source-citation is stored only once in the FTM data base but it has 18 links, three links to each of the 6 individuals. I synch this data base to the AMT. When I examine the individuals and facts in the AMT, I find source-citation for each individual and fact. Since we can only see the source-citations on an individual basis, I have no idea how the source-citation is stored on the AMT data base. But everything looks OK. Now assume that I want to download the AMT tree into another FTM file. I may want to give a copy to someone or I may need to use it to recover my damaged file. I download the AMT tree and import it into the FTM file. I then go to the Sources work area where I find six identical source-citations. One source-citation is linked to the three facts, birth, marriage and death, for a single person. Originally, I had one source-citation linked to six people each with three facts. If I found that I needed to make a change to the source-citation, I only had to make the change one time. After the sync, download and import, I now have six source-citations each linked to one person and their three facts. If I need to make a change to the source-citation, I must now make the same change to six source-citations. So my data base organization has been changed from the way I originally entered it. Let's expand it a little. Assume I originally had 50 source-citations like this. After the sync, download and import, I now have 300 source-citations i.e. 6 identical copies of 50 source-citations. My only choices are to either accept the 300 source-citations or manually merge the identical source-citations to get back to my original 50 source-citations. Hope this makes it a bit clearer. BJ On 2/22/2015 10:16 PM, H R Worthington wrote: > BJ, > > I don't see that the citation issue is. In FTM2014 each FACT has a > citation IF the user links one to it. > > What we see in FTM2014, Sources Workspace, and a Specific Citation is > ONE Source and the specific Citation Linked to the facts. > > In the AMT, you see a Citation with Each Fact, which is linked to a > Source. > > IF you look at each Fact in FTM2014 and the AMT you will see the > Source and the Citation. You see the SAME thing. > > What I was pointing out is that you can NOT EDIT an AMT Citation, IF > the Source for that Citation is a Template. Remember that the Template > is for the SOURCE information that helps develop the Citation. We Add > to the Source information the Citation Detail, Citation Text, Web > Address, if we wish. None of that can be edited in the AMT

Another question I have..... the whole sync process and it's impact on sources.  At times I'll work in FTM and add a single source to the facts for multiple people.  One-to-Many relationship.  I sync with Ancestry Trees and whala -- all of a sudden I have a separate source for each person, a one-to-one relationship.  I don't want to have separate sources in these cases.  Why does this happen??

NEVER MARRIED/NO CHILDREN: I don't want to have to use custom facts -- I want it to appear in the spaces where the Spouse's name and list of children would otherwise appear. AND to show in reports where marriage facts/children would otherwise appear. I don't want to have to go searching for it. Some of my people's reports have pages upon pages of facts. TITLE: It's ridiculous to have a separate TITLE fact when it does not appear WITH the name, as it does with Legacy. Why bury this in with all the other facts?? Display it with the name. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Donaldson <johndd@iinet.net.au> To: 'Debbie' <growingatree@hotmail.com>; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:33 PM Subject: RE: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie via Sent: Monday, 23 February 2015 9:15 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for: A. Relationship: This couple did not marry. B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children. C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. FTM does this now via custom facts for the things that you want ---------------- 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. FTM does this now. Click in the name field and a pencil icon is revealed. Click on the pencil icon to show the detail name editing field. You can also add diacritcal symbols and umlauts Titles are not entered her but in the Title Fact

Goto Publish >> Person Reports >> Individual Reports Many of my people have multi-page reports. The first page shows "Individual Facts" and that carries on for as many pages as needed, followed by "Shared Facts" (i.e. marriages, etc.). Spouse(s) should also appear in the Individual Sumary section (which is reprinted at the top of each page). For example: Individual Report for John Smith =================================== Individual Summary: John Smith ----------------------------------- Sex: Male Father: Joseph Smith Mother: Susie Jones ==================================== Individuals Facts: ------------------------------------ <multiple pages> <multiple pages> <multiple pages> ==================================== Shared Facts: Jane Johnson ------------------------------------ Marriage: 26 Dec 1867 ==================================== From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, what do you mean by "front page" "I personally would like to see the person's name, DOB, DOD, parents and spouse(s) on the front page." Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for: A. Relationship: This couple did not marry. B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children. C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. 2. Report: Person Reports >> Individual Report I personally would like to see the person's name, DOB, DOD, parents and spouse(s) on the front page. Instead, it shows individual facts first and then shared facts ..... so spouse(s) often wind up on the last page. I don't want to flip through this report to find something as essential as spouse's name. 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. 4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content. (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view. 5. Additional content for a fact. In Legacy, each fact has date, place, description and NOTES where you are able to add more information about that fact. There is also a check box that allows you to specify whether or not you'd like to add the event notes to the sentence (the sentence created in reports from the data added to the fact). I find that with certain events I want to be able to add more content and cannot.... I sometimes add multiple facts to allow more room to add additional content.

I have adjusted the width, and it is never wide enough.  The field needs to be multiple rows and needs to wrap. From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, You said: "4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content.  (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view." You can do that now by adjusting the width of the columns in the People Workspace, Person view. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for:       A. Relationship: This couple did not marry.       B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children.           C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. 2. Report:  Person Reports >> Individual Report I personally would like to see the person's name, DOB, DOD, parents and spouse(s) on the front page. Instead, it shows individual facts first and then shared facts ..... so spouse(s) often wind up on the last page. I don't want to flip through this report to find something as essential as spouse's name. 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. 4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content.  (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view. 5. Additional content for a fact. In Legacy, each fact has date, place, description and NOTES where you are able to add more information about that fact.  There is also a check box that allows you to specify whether or not you'd like to add the event notes to the sentence (the sentence created in reports from the data added to the fact). I find that with certain events I want to be able to add more content and cannot.... I sometimes add multiple facts to allow more room to add additional content.

In legacy, it shows in the "spouse" field *** NEVER MARRIED** whereas in FTM it remains blank.    And, if you click "had no children", then ** Had no Children ** appears in the list of children. Having this visual prompt is very helpful. Is there a link to your blog regarding this issue? From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, You said; "1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for:      A. Relationship: This couple did not marry.       B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children.           C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children." You are absolutely right, BUT ... I blogged several times how to handle these specific situations. In fact, YOU CAN set the relationship in the "marriage" fact to show that relationship. Russ  ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for:       A. Relationship: This couple did not marry.       B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children.           C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. 2. Report:  Person Reports >> Individual Report I personally would like to see the person's name, DOB, DOD, parents and spouse(s) on the front page. Instead, it shows individual facts first and then shared facts ..... so spouse(s) often wind up on the last page. I don't want to flip through this report to find something as essential as spouse's name. 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. 4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content.  (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view. 5. Additional content for a fact. In Legacy, each fact has date, place, description and NOTES where you are able to add more information about that fact.  There is also a check box that allows you to specify whether or not you'd like to add the event notes to the sentence (the sentence created in reports from the data added to the fact). I find that with certain events I want to be able to add more content and cannot.... I sometimes add multiple facts to allow more room to add additional content.

Is there a notes field for each fact???????  If so, where?? From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, You said: "5. Additional content for a fact. In Legacy, each fact has date, place, description and NOTES where you are able to add more information about that fact.  There is also a check box that allows you to specify whether or not you'd like to add the event notes to the sentence (the sentence created in reports from the data added to the fact). I find that with certain events I want to be able to add more content and cannot.... I sometimes add multiple facts to allow more room to add additional content." They are ALL available in FTM2014 now. You don't need a check box to add notes, that option is already available. You can customize the fact sentence. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for:       A. Relationship: This couple did not marry.       B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children.           C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. 2. Report:  Person Reports >> Individual Report I personally would like to see the person's name, DOB, DOD, parents and spouse(s) on the front page. Instead, it shows individual facts first and then shared facts ..... so spouse(s) often wind up on the last page. I don't want to flip through this report to find something as essential as spouse's name. 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. 4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content.  (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view. 5. Additional content for a fact. In Legacy, each fact has date, place, description and NOTES where you are able to add more information about that fact.  There is also a check box that allows you to specify whether or not you'd like to add the event notes to the sentence (the sentence created in reports from the data added to the fact). I find that with certain events I want to be able to add more content and cannot.... I sometimes add multiple facts to allow more room to add additional content.

Ian, Are for reasons I said earlier, thats OK with me. But that is just me. But, I know what you are saying. I have had my photos taken from my AMT and not given credit nor asked for permission. I certainly don't want my notes taken and put in someone elses AMT or file. Just sayin' Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Ian Marr via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] AMT vs FTM (The Great Debate) Russ said: “<snip>I rarely let anyone be an Editor on my Tree. In fact, none of my trees have Editors. The notes can be seen, but not everything.” Like you, I would never have nor allow anyone to have “Editor” privileges to my trees. However, as to notes being seen, even if not everything, unless it is your own tree or you have editor status, notes CANNOT be seen by any other user. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for: A. Relationship: This couple did not marry. B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children. C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. 2. Report: Person Reports >> Individual Report I personally would like to see the person's name, DOB, DOD, parents and spouse(s) on the front page. Instead, it shows individual facts first and then shared facts ..... so spouse(s) often wind up on the last page. I don't want to flip through this report to find something as essential as spouse's name. 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. 4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content. (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view. 5. Additional content for a fact. In Legacy, each fact has date, place, description and NOTES where you are able to add more information about that fact. There is also a check box that allows you to specify whether or not you'd like to add the event notes to the sentence (the sentence created in reports from the data added to the fact). I find that with certain events I want to be able to add more content and cannot.... I sometimes add multiple facts to allow more room to add additional content.

Please help me find way to get an index of names on my family tree maker mstueber@fsmonline.org<mailto:mstueber@fsmonline.org>

I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand. There were two different points in my comment and I'm not sure which one you are referencing with your statement about templates. The first point has to do with the links between the Source-citation and the individuals. Are you saying that because you use a Template for the Source-citation which is linked to multiple individuals in FTM that AMT does not split the single FTM Template source-citation into separate source-citations for each individual and that when you return that template source-citation to FTM, it will be entered as a single template source-citation linked to multiple individuals? While I haven't tested this, I don't think it works that way. I think you will find that when the template source-citation is reimported into into FTM, you will have duplicate template source-citations each linked to a single individual. As to the second point which simply lists the criteria for the data in all fields associated with the source-citation to be considered identical. Perhaps I should have included the template field in the list because I'm sure that to be considered duplicates, the templates (if used) must also be identical. BJ On 2/22/2015 7:39 PM, H R Worthington wrote: > BJ, > > The only exception to what you said is when you use a Source Template. > It can NOT be changed in the AMT so it will be returned from the AMT > when the sync is done. > > Russ > ___________________________ > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* BJ via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > *To:* ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > *Sent:* Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: [FTM-TECH] AMT vs FTM Data bases - was The Great Debate > > While I may sympathize with your sentiments, the reality is the Ancestry > trees and FTM are two separate products and have two different > development teams. While they may try to coordinate, I suspect it is > physically impossible for the two data bases to be identical. It has > only been recent that they added and stored certain information in FTM > into the AMT even though the information is not displayed in the AMT. > Downloading the AMT and using it as a backup is not recommended because > of these differences. I had to do it once because I had gone several > months without backing up my FTM file and I corrupted my main file to > such an extent that nothing I did would recover it. I swore then that I > would backup my data faithfully but I'm afraid that I've slipped back > into my old habits. :-[ > > I approach the problem in a slightly different direction. I don't care > whether the AMT and the FTM data bases are identical. What I want FTM > to do is download the AMT or any other data base and as it is importing > the data into the FTM Data base, examine the source-citations and at the > user's option aggregate identical Source-citations into a single > source-citations with the appropriate multiple links. I'm not sure > whether you are aware of what it means for a source-citation to be > identical. Source-citations are considered identical only when > everything is identical that includes: > > 1. Source > 2. Citation Detail > 3. Citation Text > 4. Reference note > 5. Source Note > 6. Web address > 7. Media links > > If any character including non printable or non viewable characters is > different, the source-citations are not identical and will cannot be > aggregated.

Ian, Sorry, with all due respect, gotta disagree with you. BUT the disagreement come from so many, uses of AMT complaining that ALL of their information was 'stolen' from "my" AMT. Sorry, I put to much time and work into my research to have someone take my information for their own AND call it their own. I rarely let anyone be an Editor on my Tree. In fact, none of my trees have Editors. The notes can be seen, but not everything. But, what do I know. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Ian Marr via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 12:02 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] AMT vs FTM (The Great Debate) Hi Russ, To all intentional purposes, you are right - "The information IS the SAME in your AMT and in your FTM2014 file". However, and I have complained about this in the past, not everything is accessible. I, and I am sure many others, have their trees uploaded into an AMT so that they can make it available to other researchers, with the intention that others researching similar lines can both obtain information to help with their own research and provide new or corrected information to me - thus broadening my research base, and theirs, as wide as possible. I make extensive use of personal notes in my recording. Unless you are viewing your own tree or are an invited "guest" to someone else's tree, these notes are not available. You then have the problem that others can modify your data if they have been invited to your tree. This reduces the effectiveness of the AMT as a vehicle for making available important information about those you are researching and can open you up to outside "corruption" of your data. I have even gone to the extent of maintaining a tree (direct-line ancestors & siblings only) in TribalPages for the simple reason that, although limited to 8000 words approximately per individual, I can include all my notes. There are many reasons why I maintain an online version of my tree, including the ancestry AMT (and these do not include back-up purposes) - but until they make all notes (except those marked "private") available in a read-only form for ALL users, it will always remain a second-rate vehicle for sharing your research. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. -----Original Message----- From: H R Worthington via Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:33 PM To: Debbie ; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, The information IS the SAME in your AMT and in your FTM2014 file. What is not in your AMT that isn't in your FTM2014 file? Please be very careful how you answer that question. As, you may not be able to SEE everything in your AMT but there is a lot of information in the AMT structure that you can't see. I have backed up my file, from my AMT for a Test. Lots of information not seen in the AMT were returned to my restored file. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com> To: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Of course I want citations in AMT. But, there's value in having a one-to-many relationship in cases where the same citation can link to multiple people. When I sync things, I don't want the differences in the two systems to modify my work. If I add citatation #1 to Person A, B, and C.... sync the two systems..... why do I now have three copies of the identical citation? Furthermore, I was really angered when sync issues in the last version corrupted my file and I had to download the tree from AMT into FTM..... because I knew that the tree I'd be getting wasn't 100% mirror image of my FTM tree. They should invest in making the systems identical so that there are no difference between the two copies. ________________________________ From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, That is NOT in FTM2014 that is in the Ancestry Member Tree. It is being presented in the AMT on each Fact where that Citation is used. If you really think about it, each Citation is on each person in FTM2014. So, I am sorry, but don't understand the issue. Don't you want Citations in the AMT? Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com> To: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Another question I have..... the whole sync process and it's impact on sources. At times I'll work in FTM and add a single source to the facts for multiple people. One-to-Many relationship. I sync with Ancestry Trees and whala -- all of a sudden I have a separate source for each person, a one-to-one relationship. I don't want to have separate sources in these cases. 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BJ, I don't see that the citation issue is. In FTM2014 each FACT has a citation IF the user links one to it. What we see in FTM2014, Sources Workspace, and a Specific Citation is ONE Source and the specific Citation Linked to the facts. In the AMT, you see a Citation with Each Fact, which is linked to a Source. IF you look at each Fact in FTM2014 and the AMT you will see the Source and the Citation. You see the SAME thing. What I was pointing out is that you can NOT EDIT an AMT Citation, IF the Source for that Citation is a Template. Remember that the Template is for the SOURCE information that helps develop the Citation. We Add to the Source information the Citation Detail, Citation Text, Web Address, if we wish. None of that can be edited in the AMT Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: BJ via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 11:45 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] AMT vs FTM Data bases - was The Great Debate I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand. There were two different points in my comment and I'm not sure which one you are referencing with your statement about templates. The first point has to do with the links between the Source-citation and the individuals. Are you saying that because you use a Template for the Source-citation which is linked to multiple individuals in FTM that AMT does not split the single FTM Template source-citation into separate source-citations for each individual and that when you return that template source-citation to FTM, it will be entered as a single template source-citation linked to multiple individuals? While I haven't tested this, I don't think it works that way. I think you will find that when the template source-citation is reimported into into FTM, you will have duplicate template source-citations each linked to a single individual. As to the second point which simply lists the criteria for the data in all fields associated with the source-citation to be considered identical. Perhaps I should have included the template field in the list because I'm sure that to be considered duplicates, the templates (if used) must also be identical. BJ On 2/22/2015 7:39 PM, H R Worthington wrote: > BJ, > > The only exception to what you said is when you use a Source Template. > It can NOT be changed in the AMT so it will be returned from the AMT > when the sync is done. > > Russ > ___________________________ > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* BJ via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > *To:* ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > *Sent:* Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: [FTM-TECH] AMT vs FTM Data bases - was The Great Debate > > While I may sympathize with your sentiments, the reality is the Ancestry > trees and FTM are two separate products and have two different > development teams. While they may try to coordinate, I suspect it is > physically impossible for the two data bases to be identical. It has > only been recent that they added and stored certain information in FTM > into the AMT even though the information is not displayed in the AMT. > Downloading the AMT and using it as a backup is not recommended because > of these differences. I had to do it once because I had gone several > months without backing up my FTM file and I corrupted my main file to > such an extent that nothing I did would recover it. I swore then that I > would backup my data faithfully but I'm afraid that I've slipped back > into my old habits. :-[ > > I approach the problem in a slightly different direction. I don't care > whether the AMT and the FTM data bases are identical. What I want FTM > to do is download the AMT or any other data base and as it is importing > the data into the FTM Data base, examine the source-citations and at the > user's option aggregate identical Source-citations into a single > source-citations with the appropriate multiple links. I'm not sure > whether you are aware of what it means for a source-citation to be > identical. Source-citations are considered identical only when > everything is identical that includes: > > 1. Source > 2. Citation Detail > 3. Citation Text > 4. Reference note > 5. Source Note > 6. Web address > 7. Media links > > If any character including non printable or non viewable characters is > different, the source-citations are not identical and will cannot be > aggregated. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In version 16 the report looks like this: ............................................................ 6 Wa ................................................................ +Dia (my note: first wife) ........................................................................ 7 Ka ............................................................................ +M ..................................................................................... 8 Al ..................................................................................... 8 E ..................................................................................... 8 L (my note: children & grandchildren of the first marriage--14 lines) ..................................................................................... 8 C ........................................................................ 7 R ........................................................................ 7 C ............................................................................ +Ke ..................................................................................... 8 L ..................................................................................... 8 R ........................................................................ 7 Je ............................................................................ +Gr ..................................................................................... 8 J .......................................................... .. *2nd Wife of Wa: ................................................................ +Ch ............................................................ 6 Wi ................................................................ +D The line that's highlighted in yellow doesn't show up in the 2014 report (which I think is what Mary copied below), and I think that's what Mary's looking for. This particular string of descendants isn't so long, but if you have additional marriages with lots of descendant generations for the earlier marriage ahead of them, the later spouse can be quite a ways away from the person they are married to. I believe the notations at the end of the 2nd spouse's lines below (from Mary), is what she was talking about having to add in before sharing the report with someone else (I highlighted some examples in green). Mary, I hope I haven't misstated anything! Since you gave the 2014 example, I thought I'd provide a version 16 example. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary W. Ellis via" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "H R Worthington" <rworthington@att.net>, ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 7:56:45 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 16 v. 2014: The Great Debate No, it prints all the wives or husbands but does not mark them like v16 did, like 2nd wife of Joe Jones or 3rd husband of Jane Doe 1 James Robert Weaver (1873 - 1951) + Martha Ann Worsham (1877 - 1955) ....2 James Clinton Weaver Sr. (1903 - 1979) + Ellie Mae Padgett (1908 - 1984) ........3 Frances Onell Weaver (1924 - Unknown) +Herman M. Summers (1922 -) 3 Ruth A. Weaver (1926 - 2006) +Taylor Bluford Blake Jr. (1927 - 2008) ............4 Jim Blake ^ + Ione (Blake) ........3 Evelyn Weaver (1927 -) ........3 James Clinton Weaver Jr. (1928 -) + Betty Jane Wright (1930 -) ............4 Beverly J. Weaver (1950 -) + Samuel Buford Saul Sr. (1921 - 1990) ............4 Denise Wright Weaver (1954 -) + James David Jones m: ........3 Robert Lee 'Bob" Weaver (1929 - 2015) + Rachel Rebecca 'Becky' Alberty (1932 -) ............4 Beth Angela Weaver (1956 -) +John Christopher Johnson (1946 -) +Gregory Francis O'Hara 2nd husband ............4 Rachel Bernadette Weaver (1958 -) + Karl Franklin Price (1952 -) ............4 Brandan Gray Weaver (1961 -) + Norma Gail Bayse + Billie Crisco Coleman 2nd husband ............4 Kelly Babbette Weaver (1962 -) ............4 Becky Susanna Weaver (1970 -) +Steven Wayne Fuller (1963 -) +Gertrude Levada Alberty (1909 - 2000) 2nd wife ....2 Connie Lee Weaver (1909 - 1993) + William Howard Wrenn Sr. (1905 - 1989) ........3 Vivian Marie Wrenn (1930 -) +William Junior Lucas (1929 - 2003) ............4 Jerry Wayne Lucas Sr (1949 - 1997) + Betty Diane Crowder (1951 -) +Linda Gail Bean (1955 -) 2nd wife ............4 William Michael Lucas (1957 -) +Lorrie Ann Jordan (1959 -) +Sarah Riggs (1948 -) 2nd wife 5 Michele Lucas +Jo Ellen George (1959 -) 3ed wife ............4 Kim Marie Lucas (1961 -) +Alan Steve Mathews (1957 -) +John Reed Tysinger (1945 -) 2nd husband ........3 Twin Boy Wrenn (1932 - 1932) ........3 Twin Girl Wrenn (1932 - 1932) ........3 Elsie Lee Wrenn (1933 -) +William Lester Brady (1933 - 2007) ............4 Judy Carol Brady (1952 -) +Thomas Jacob 'Tommy' Lewis (1951 -) +Marvin Odean 'Pete' Brown (1957 -) 2nd husband ............4 Kenneth Wayne Brady Sr. (1954 - 2007) +Sandra Louise Fisher (1945 -) +Teresa Lewellen (1953 -) 2nd wife 5 Kenneth Wayne Brady, Jr. +Jeanette Beck 3ed wife +Veeta Maria Inzetta 4th wife +Jacelyn Cheyenne Dickerstaffe (1959 -) 5th wife ............4 Lisa Ann Brady (1962 -) +David Junior Sweeney (1965 -) +Fletcher Thomas Solomon (1900 - 1961) 2nd (Friend) This type is hard to find in a long report ........3 Martha Sue Wrenn (1940 -) + Everett Lea Rumley Jr. (1941 - 2010) ............4 Laura Rumley + Bill Butler ............4 Jan Rumley + Kevin Walker ............4 Robin Rumley + Brian Meier ............4 Everett Lea 'Skip' Rumley +James Smith Webster (1913 - 1997) 3ed Husband ....2 Robert L. Weaver (1910 -) ....2 Frank W. Weaver (1914 -) +Dixie (Weaver) +Lois Virginia Lovett (1914 - 2014) 2nd wife On 2/21/2015 6:38 PM, H R Worthington wrote: > Mary, > > Please check the ODR report settings. I am guessing that you have > selected Preferred ONLY. > > Russ > ___________________________ > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Mary W. Ellis via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > *To:* ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > *Sent:* Saturday, February 21, 2015 6:29 PM > *Subject:* Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 16 v. 2014: The Great Debate > > I forgot to mention, the Outline report no longer marks second or third > spouses. You have to go through and look them up and mark them before > you can sent the report to anyone. Even if they are familiar with your > database it would be very hard for them to figure it out. It's hard for > me to, I have to go back and look up what looks like a stray person to > see who they belong to. It's really crazy to leave that very important > part out of the report. -- If you don't know your family history, you are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~ Michael Crichton ~ Mary W. Ellis http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/ ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The title fact can be displayed with the name, but the checkbox is in an unlikely place. Go to Tools > Options > Names/Dates/Places. Check the box "Use titles if available." Judy in Ocala On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:23 PM, Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: NEVER MARRIED/NO CHILDREN: I don't want to have to use custom facts -- I want it to appear in the spaces where the Spouse's name and list of children would otherwise appear. AND to show in reports where marriage facts/children would otherwise appear. I don't want to have to go searching for it. Some of my people's reports have pages upon pages of facts. TITLE: It's ridiculous to have a separate TITLE fact when it does not appear WITH the name, as it does with Legacy. Why bury this in with all the other facts?? Display it with the name. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Donaldson <johndd@iinet.net.au> To: 'Debbie' <growingatree@hotmail.com>; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:33 PM Subject: RE: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Debbie via Sent: Monday, 23 February 2015 9:15 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for: A. Relationship: This couple did not marry. B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children. C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. FTM does this now via custom facts for the things that you want ---------------- 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. FTM does this now. Click in the name field and a pencil icon is revealed. Click on the pencil icon to show the detail name editing field. You can also add diacritcal symbols and umlauts Titles are not entered her but in the Title Fact ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The database structure for FTM and Ancestry.com are different because they were created separately, before Ancestry.com bought FTM. As a result, there are differences in the way data will be handled in each platform. Judy in Ocala On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:25 PM, Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: Another question I have..... the whole sync process and it's impact on sources. At times I'll work in FTM and add a single source to the facts for multiple people. One-to-Many relationship. I sync with Ancestry Trees and whala -- all of a sudden I have a separate source for each person, a one-to-one relationship. I don't want to have separate sources in these cases. Why does this happen?? ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If you mouse over the item, you can read it all. Judy in Ocala On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:11 PM, Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have adjusted the width, and it is never wide enough. The field needs to be multiple rows and needs to wrap. From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, You said: "4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content. (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view." You can do that now by adjusting the width of the columns in the People Workspace, Person view. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for: A. Relationship: This couple did not marry. B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children. C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. 2. Report: Person Reports >> Individual Report I personally would like to see the person's name, DOB, DOD, parents and spouse(s) on the front page. Instead, it shows individual facts first and then shared facts ..... so spouse(s) often wind up on the last page. I don't want to flip through this report to find something as essential as spouse's name. 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. 4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content. (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view. 5. Additional content for a fact. In Legacy, each fact has date, place, description and NOTES where you are able to add more information about that fact. There is also a check box that allows you to specify whether or not you'd like to add the event notes to the sentence (the sentence created in reports from the data added to the fact). I find that with certain events I want to be able to add more content and cannot.... I sometimes add multiple facts to allow more room to add additional content. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

FTM can show relationships other than marriage, but there is no built-in way to indicate a relationship with no issue. I think it would be a great addition. Judy in Ocala On Feb 22, 2015, at 6:10 PM, Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: In legacy, it shows in the "spouse" field *** NEVER MARRIED** whereas in FTM it remains blank. And, if you click "had no children", then ** Had no Children ** appears in the list of children. Having this visual prompt is very helpful. Is there a link to your blog regarding this issue? From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, You said; "1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for: A. Relationship: This couple did not marry. B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children. C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children." You are absolutely right, BUT ... I blogged several times how to handle these specific situations. In fact, YOU CAN set the relationship in the "marriage" fact to show that relationship. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: Debbie via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate I have a few requests, mostly based upon my experience using Legacy software: 1. In Family Tree Maker, have a check-box for: A. Relationship: This couple did not marry. B. Relationship: This couple did not have any children. C. Individual: This individual never married and had no children. 2. Report: Person Reports >> Individual Report I personally would like to see the person's name, DOB, DOD, parents and spouse(s) on the front page. Instead, it shows individual facts first and then shared facts ..... so spouse(s) often wind up on the last page. I don't want to flip through this report to find something as essential as spouse's name. 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. 4. In FTM, please allow us to see all of the text in the Description field! I find that I have to copy it into notepad to read all of the content. (This is when you click on a person and then click the PERSON tab to see all of the facts for that person.... both the left and right columns show the description field, and you cannot see the entire content in either view. 5. Additional content for a fact. In Legacy, each fact has date, place, description and NOTES where you are able to add more information about that fact. There is also a check box that allows you to specify whether or not you'd like to add the event notes to the sentence (the sentence created in reports from the data added to the fact). I find that with certain events I want to be able to add more content and cannot.... I sometimes add multiple facts to allow more room to add additional content. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message