It certainly does help. Many thanks BJ for taking the time to type this out for me. Much appreciated. Allie -----Original Message----- From: BJ via Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 8:49 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames Thanks for asking. My annotations are pretty much the same as Ian's. Basically they are * H/ - Husband of * W/ - Wife of * M/ - Mother of * F/ - Father of * S/ - Son of * D/ - Daughter of I use the notation along with the name of the closest known relative. Examples are * John (H/ Mary Archer) __________ Mary Archer's name is known. Archer is her maiden name. I know John's given name but not his surname so I enter 10 underscores for the surname. This gives me an index listing of __________, John (H/ Mary Archer) Because the underscores sort before any alphabetic characters, the name will be listed before anyone with a name beginning with "A". * Marie (W/ Sam Small) __________ Sam Small's wife's name is Marie but I don't know her maiden name. Again this sorts toward the beginning of the Index due to the surname being underscores. If you use different numbers of underscores, it can affect the sorting and display i.e. 9 underscores will sort before 10 underscores. 11 underscores will sort after 10 underscores. * __________ (M/ Jane Austin) __________ I occasionally use this for parents when I find a census which indicates the birth state of the mother or father. I don't know the given name nor the maiden name of the mother. Obviously for the father I would assume his surname to be the same as Jane' maiden name, Austin. * __________ (S/ James Smith) Smith * __________ (D/ James Smith) Smith Hope this helps. BJ On 2/24/2015 10:30 AM, Allie Warnier-Susko wrote: > BJ, what do all the H/, M/, etc., annotations stand for? Would you > mind showing examples of them and the ( ). Thank you. > Allie > > -----Original Message----- From: BJ via > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:22 AM > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames > > When I wrote that I used 10 underscores for the unknown part of the > name, I was addressing a question about the surname. I'm very happy > with all of the responses providing alternatives. I'm particularly > pleased that Ian wrote about his method. I actually use the same method > except, I use ( ) to enclose the relative's name. Like Ian I find the > use of the H/, M/, S/, D/ and W/ annotations extremely helpful when I am > reviewing the index as they provide additional information which I can > use to identify particular family that I may want to concentrate my > current research on. > > Thanks to everyone who contributed their ideas as that is the beauty of > this list, Users helping Users. > > BJ > > On 2/23/2015 10:30 PM, Ian Marr via wrote: >> Like BJ and others, I use 10 underscore characters when a name is not >> known. >> Because I may have a number of people with the same name, or a number of >> "Mary Unknowns", I also include additional information in the name, >> such as >> "Wife of", "Husband of", "son of" etc; pointing back to someone who >> can be >> uniquely identifed. >> >> Examples: >> Mary 'W/John Ellis' __________ >> Peter 'H/Mary Smith' __________ >> David 'S/Jane Doe' __________ >> __________ 'S/Stephen' Brown >> >> Using the single quote seems to work fine, without messing up other >> indexes, >> etc. In 2014 (and perhaps other versions) this will generate a warning >> about special characters being included in a name, but you can ignore >> that. > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I write out the words, husband of, wife of, etc. There are far to many people out there with the given name or surname 'Unk'. Barb On 2/24/2015 7:49 PM, BJ via wrote: > Thanks for asking. My annotations are pretty much the same as Ian's. > Basically they are > > * H/ - Husband of > * W/ - Wife of > * M/ - Mother of > * F/ - Father of > * S/ - Son of > * D/ - Daughter of > > I use the notation along with the name of the closest known relative. > Examples are > > * John (H/ Mary Archer) __________ Mary Archer's name is > known. Archer is her maiden name. I know John's given name but not > his surname so I enter 10 underscores for the surname. This gives > me an index listing of __________, John (H/ Mary Archer) > Because the underscores sort before any alphabetic characters, the > name will be listed before anyone with a name beginning with "A". > * Marie (W/ Sam Small) __________ Sam Small's wife's name is Marie > but I don't know her maiden name. Again this sorts toward the > beginning of the Index due to the surname being underscores. If you > use different numbers of underscores, it can affect the sorting and > display i.e. 9 underscores will sort before 10 underscores. 11 > underscores will sort after 10 underscores. > * __________ (M/ Jane Austin) __________ I occasionally use this > for parents when I find a census which indicates the birth state of > the mother or father. I don't know the given name nor the maiden > name of the mother. Obviously for the father I would assume his > surname to be the same as Jane' maiden name, Austin. > * __________ (S/ James Smith) Smith > * __________ (D/ James Smith) Smith > > Hope this helps. > > BJ > > > On 2/24/2015 10:30 AM, Allie Warnier-Susko wrote: > >> BJ, what do all the H/, M/, etc., annotations stand for? Would you >> mind showing examples of them and the ( ). Thank you. >> Allie >> >> -----Original Message----- From: BJ via >> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:22 AM >> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames >> >> When I wrote that I used 10 underscores for the unknown part of the >> name, I was addressing a question about the surname. I'm very happy >> with all of the responses providing alternatives. I'm particularly >> pleased that Ian wrote about his method. I actually use the same method >> except, I use ( ) to enclose the relative's name. Like Ian I find the >> use of the H/, M/, S/, D/ and W/ annotations extremely helpful when I am >> reviewing the index as they provide additional information which I can >> use to identify particular family that I may want to concentrate my >> current research on. >> >> Thanks to everyone who contributed their ideas as that is the beauty of >> this list, Users helping Users. >> >> BJ >> >> On 2/23/2015 10:30 PM, Ian Marr via wrote: >>> Like BJ and others, I use 10 underscore characters when a name is not >>> known. >>> Because I may have a number of people with the same name, or a number of >>> "Mary Unknowns", I also include additional information in the name, >>> such as >>> "Wife of", "Husband of", "son of" etc; pointing back to someone who >>> can be >>> uniquely identifed. >>> >>> Examples: >>> Mary 'W/John Ellis' __________ >>> Peter 'H/Mary Smith' __________ >>> David 'S/Jane Doe' __________ >>> __________ 'S/Stephen' Brown >>> >>> Using the single quote seems to work fine, without messing up other >>> indexes, >>> etc. In 2014 (and perhaps other versions) this will generate a warning >>> about special characters being included in a name, but you can ignore >>> that. >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for asking. My annotations are pretty much the same as Ian's. Basically they are * H/ - Husband of * W/ - Wife of * M/ - Mother of * F/ - Father of * S/ - Son of * D/ - Daughter of I use the notation along with the name of the closest known relative. Examples are * John (H/ Mary Archer) __________ Mary Archer's name is known. Archer is her maiden name. I know John's given name but not his surname so I enter 10 underscores for the surname. This gives me an index listing of __________, John (H/ Mary Archer) Because the underscores sort before any alphabetic characters, the name will be listed before anyone with a name beginning with "A". * Marie (W/ Sam Small) __________ Sam Small's wife's name is Marie but I don't know her maiden name. Again this sorts toward the beginning of the Index due to the surname being underscores. If you use different numbers of underscores, it can affect the sorting and display i.e. 9 underscores will sort before 10 underscores. 11 underscores will sort after 10 underscores. * __________ (M/ Jane Austin) __________ I occasionally use this for parents when I find a census which indicates the birth state of the mother or father. I don't know the given name nor the maiden name of the mother. Obviously for the father I would assume his surname to be the same as Jane' maiden name, Austin. * __________ (S/ James Smith) Smith * __________ (D/ James Smith) Smith Hope this helps. BJ On 2/24/2015 10:30 AM, Allie Warnier-Susko wrote: > BJ, what do all the H/, M/, etc., annotations stand for? Would you > mind showing examples of them and the ( ). Thank you. > Allie > > -----Original Message----- From: BJ via > Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:22 AM > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames > > When I wrote that I used 10 underscores for the unknown part of the > name, I was addressing a question about the surname. I'm very happy > with all of the responses providing alternatives. I'm particularly > pleased that Ian wrote about his method. I actually use the same method > except, I use ( ) to enclose the relative's name. Like Ian I find the > use of the H/, M/, S/, D/ and W/ annotations extremely helpful when I am > reviewing the index as they provide additional information which I can > use to identify particular family that I may want to concentrate my > current research on. > > Thanks to everyone who contributed their ideas as that is the beauty of > this list, Users helping Users. > > BJ > > On 2/23/2015 10:30 PM, Ian Marr via wrote: >> Like BJ and others, I use 10 underscore characters when a name is not >> known. >> Because I may have a number of people with the same name, or a number of >> "Mary Unknowns", I also include additional information in the name, >> such as >> "Wife of", "Husband of", "son of" etc; pointing back to someone who >> can be >> uniquely identifed. >> >> Examples: >> Mary 'W/John Ellis' __________ >> Peter 'H/Mary Smith' __________ >> David 'S/Jane Doe' __________ >> __________ 'S/Stephen' Brown >> >> Using the single quote seems to work fine, without messing up other >> indexes, >> etc. In 2014 (and perhaps other versions) this will generate a warning >> about special characters being included in a name, but you can ignore >> that. > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Like BJ and others, I use 10 underscore characters when a name is not known. Because I may have a number of people with the same name, or a number of "Mary Unknowns", I also include additional information in the name, such as "Wife of", "Husband of", "son of" etc; pointing back to someone who can be uniquely identifed. Examples: Mary 'W/John Ellis' __________ Peter 'H/Mary Smith' __________ David 'S/Jane Doe' __________ __________ 'S/Stephen' Brown Using the single quote seems to work fine, without messing up other indexes, etc. In 2014 (and perhaps other versions) this will generate a warning about special characters being included in a name, but you can ignore that. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. -----Original Message----- From: Mary W. Ellis via Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 2:09 PM To: Thompson Jay ; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames I use basicly the same system, but if I know the husband was married but have no name I enter it like _____, (Smith) then I know that this person is the wife of a Smith. Works a lot better than having a list of 'who knows where they belong' people. Mary Ellis On 2/23/2015 10:27 AM, Thompson Jay via wrote: > Jim, > > Thinking of what that would involve, with only one person listed, the > program would have to assume that there was a spouse that was blank, > innumerable children that were not entered (whether they existed or not). > The program just wouldn't know and would not be feasible. > Many of us have found other ways to accomplish that. I use 10 underbars > for the unknown name. That way, if I print a report and give it to > someone and they know the name, there is room to write it in and I can > enter it. If I know the first name only (James and Mary Jones), I enter > Mary as Mary __________. If I know the last name only (Mary (Smith) Jones, > I enter the husband as __________ Jones. Same if I know James and Mary had > three children, but no names. If I only know that James was married, I > enter __________ __________. Same for unknown other spouses > In my scenario, The totally unknowns sort at the top of the index, the > last name unknowns sort next, by first name, and the first name unknowns > sort at the top of the rest of people with the same last name. > Others use "UNK," "Last Name Unknown," or something else that works for > them. Depending on the size of your file, it can seem like a daunting task > to begin , but the results are well worth the effort. > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > On Monday, February 23, 2015 9:45 AM, Jim Hoke via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > > BJ, > > Your comment in The Great Debate about FTM 2014's handling of people's > names > triggered me to wonder how one can search on surname. > > > > Specifically, my question is how does one find all the people in an ftm > file > for whom the surname is blank (that is, it has not been entered)? I've > searched without luck the FTM-TECH archives for an answer. > > Thanks for the help, > > Jim Hoke > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:58:48 -0700 > > From: BJ <oldtrails@gmx.com> > > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Fact Notes and Names - (was The Great Debate) > > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <54EA6D38.7050907@gmx.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > Thanks for the comments. I see some have replied to your message but to > > add my 2cents worth, please see my comments interspersed below. > > > > BJ > > . > >> 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I > like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, > especially when some people do not have all parts of their names > identified. > > > > As has been pointed out this feature was implemented beginning with FTM > > 2008 but not exactly as you describe. While the name is displayed as > > one continuous name, it actually consists of three fields; Given Names, > > Surname and Suffix. > > . > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- If you don't know your family history, you are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~ Michael Crichton ~ Mary W. 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BJ, what do all the H/, M/, etc., annotations stand for? Would you mind showing examples of them and the ( ). Thank you. Allie -----Original Message----- From: BJ via Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2015 1:22 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames When I wrote that I used 10 underscores for the unknown part of the name, I was addressing a question about the surname. I'm very happy with all of the responses providing alternatives. I'm particularly pleased that Ian wrote about his method. I actually use the same method except, I use ( ) to enclose the relative's name. Like Ian I find the use of the H/, M/, S/, D/ and W/ annotations extremely helpful when I am reviewing the index as they provide additional information which I can use to identify particular family that I may want to concentrate my current research on. Thanks to everyone who contributed their ideas as that is the beauty of this list, Users helping Users. BJ On 2/23/2015 10:30 PM, Ian Marr via wrote: > Like BJ and others, I use 10 underscore characters when a name is not > known. > Because I may have a number of people with the same name, or a number of > "Mary Unknowns", I also include additional information in the name, such > as > "Wife of", "Husband of", "son of" etc; pointing back to someone who can be > uniquely identifed. > > Examples: > Mary 'W/John Ellis' __________ > Peter 'H/Mary Smith' __________ > David 'S/Jane Doe' __________ > __________ 'S/Stephen' Brown > > Using the single quote seems to work fine, without messing up other > indexes, > etc. In 2014 (and perhaps other versions) this will generate a warning > about special characters being included in a name, but you can ignore > that. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the helpful suggestions regarding finding people whose surnames are blank in the FTM database and how to keep that from happening in the first place. I spent about three hours going through the 7000-person index of my ftm file looking for people's names displayed without a comma, as BJ suggested. When I found one, I filled in the blank surname with the character string Unknownlastname. I intend to go back and alter those people's first names to follow the convention suggested by Ian, BJ, and others to include information such as (wife of John Smith). I then used the following technique to determine whether I had found all the people with blank surnames: - use the File/Export function to create a GEDCOM file of all individuals. - open the GEDCOM file with a text-reading program such as Notepad. - search for the 3-character string between the quotes "^//". (Here I am using ^ to indicate a blank space.) In my case I found five people whom I had missed when I went through the index looking for names without a comma. As an aside, you might be interested in the reason I had so many blank surnames. Years ago about the time I started using FTM 5, I read somewhere that one should insert // when the surname was not known. I have long since gotten away from that convention, but until yesterday I had not corrected for it. As another aside, the GEDCOM file can also be used to find people with blank given names. Search using the 7-character string between the quotes "^NAME^/". Once again I've used ^ to indicate a blank space. Thanks again for all the help, Jim Hoke ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 19:50:42 -0700 From: BJ <oldtrails@gmx.com> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <54EBE702.4010502@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Good question. There is no easy way of filtering for individuals with no surname. The only thing I can suggest is using the Index on the People/Tree work area. Set the Sort to Surname, Given name. Then you can manually review the index looking for all names displayed without the comma. E.g. Most names with surnames will be displayed as Barber, James People without surnames will be displayed as James Sorry I can't be of more help. But you should be able to scroll the list fairly quickly. Another work around which would allow you to filter the individuals with no surnames is: When entering a name with no surname, always enter a unique character for the surname. Some people use a question mark (?). I use 10 underscores to indicate unknown information whether it is the surname or the given name. E.g. James ? James __________ __________ Barber You can then filter for the unique character/s. BJ ------------------------------ From: Jim Hoke [mailto:j12251225@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:44 AM To: FTM-TECH mailing list submission Subject: Searching for blank surnames BJ, Your comment in The Great Debate about FTM 2014's handling of people's names triggered me to wonder how one can search on surname. Specifically, my question is how does one find all the people in an ftm file for whom the surname is blank (that is, it has not been entered)? I've searched without luck the FTM-TECH archives for an answer. Thanks for the help, Jim Hoke ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:58:48 -0700 From: BJ <oldtrails@gmx.com> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Fact Notes and Names - (was The Great Debate) To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <54EA6D38.7050907@gmx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Thanks for the comments. I see some have replied to your message but to add my 2cents worth, please see my comments interspersed below. BJ . > 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. As has been pointed out this feature was implemented beginning with FTM 2008 but not exactly as you describe. While the name is displayed as one continuous name, it actually consists of three fields; Given Names, Surname and Suffix. . ------------------------------

Inversion 2014, they introduced something called the hierarchy view. You can see this in the Places tab. If you choose this view, your resolved place names will line up in categories starting with countries. Then you can click open the USA, for example. Then you will see all the states. Open a state to see all the counties, then the cities, then the specific places and addresses within the city. That can include churches, cemeteries, residences, etc. It's a great way to organize the places where your people lived. The list is particularly useful if you're planning a trip to one of those cities. You have a complete list of everything you should visit. On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:06 PM, "Mary W. Ellis via" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: If you start putting street names, etc in the field you are talking about, you will end up with multiple entries for the same place, because each time you enter a new street address etc it makes it a new place. Hope you can understand this ... little hard to explain what I mean. Mary Ellis If you're using the street address as the description, a better way to approach it would be to include the street address in the location field. The resulting location can be resolved in the Place Name Authority, if you are using that. If you need instructions on how to do that, let us know. Judy in Ocala On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Desmond McDowell via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: Question to do with Individual facts E.g.: Individual Fact Date Place/ Description Census 31 March 1901 Dumfries, Dumfries-shire, Scotland; 62 High Street Would it not be better to have the Description come first or is there another reason why FTM would do it this way, please advise Thanks Desmon -- If you don't know your family history, you are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~ Michael Crichton ~ Mary W. Ellis http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/ ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I use Unknown for the last name or first name as needed. Nancy

When I wrote that I used 10 underscores for the unknown part of the name, I was addressing a question about the surname. I'm very happy with all of the responses providing alternatives. I'm particularly pleased that Ian wrote about his method. I actually use the same method except, I use ( ) to enclose the relative's name. Like Ian I find the use of the H/, M/, S/, D/ and W/ annotations extremely helpful when I am reviewing the index as they provide additional information which I can use to identify particular family that I may want to concentrate my current research on. Thanks to everyone who contributed their ideas as that is the beauty of this list, Users helping Users. BJ On 2/23/2015 10:30 PM, Ian Marr via wrote: > Like BJ and others, I use 10 underscore characters when a name is not known. > Because I may have a number of people with the same name, or a number of > "Mary Unknowns", I also include additional information in the name, such as > "Wife of", "Husband of", "son of" etc; pointing back to someone who can be > uniquely identifed. > > Examples: > Mary 'W/John Ellis' __________ > Peter 'H/Mary Smith' __________ > David 'S/Jane Doe' __________ > __________ 'S/Stephen' Brown > > Using the single quote seems to work fine, without messing up other indexes, > etc. In 2014 (and perhaps other versions) this will generate a warning > about special characters being included in a name, but you can ignore that.

Hi:  What I do with names I don't know is as follows: Bill Smith married to         'Smith'      'Smith' Married to Doris Tombs That way I keep all the Smith's together so I can find who I'm looking for.             Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX From: Jim Hoke via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames Russ, Thanks for the fast response.  Perhaps I'm missing something or doing something wrong, but the people at the top of the index when I sort on "Family, Given Name" all have surnames.  When I sort on "Given Family Name" and scroll down from the top of the list I come to a place where there are nine different listing for the name Elizabeth, all of them different people and none of them having surnames, as they are unknown to me at this time. Jim From: H R Worthington [mailto:rworthington@att.net] Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:04 AM To: Jim Hoke; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames Jim, People Workspace, Tree View, in the Index. They should be at the top of the list with only Given Names showing. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net   _____  From: Jim Hoke via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: FTM-TECH mailing list submission <FTM-TECH@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 9:43 AM Subject: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames BJ, Your comment in The Great Debate about FTM 2014's handling of people's names triggered me to wonder how one can search on surname.  Specifically, my question is how does one find all the people in an ftm file for whom the surname is blank (that is, it has not been entered)?  I've searched without luck the FTM-TECH archives for an answer. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The the parentage Report that might help some. Mary Ellis On 2/23/2015 10:44 AM, Jim Hoke via wrote: > Jay, > > I appreciate the response. I'm sorry for not being clearer. What I want to > do is find the people in my ftm database for whom the surname field is > blank. Once I find them I'll use a system, such as yours or one of the > others, to fill in the blank surnames. > > Jim > > > > From: Thompson Jay [mailto:jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net] > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 10:28 AM > To: Jim Hoke; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Searching for blank surnames > > > > Jim, > > > > Thinking of what that would involve, with only one person listed, the > program would have to assume that there was a spouse that was blank, > innumerable children that were not entered (whether they existed or not). > The program just wouldn't know and would not be feasible. > > Many of us have found other ways to accomplish that. I use 10 underbars for > the unknown name. That way, if I print a report and give it to someone and > they know the name, there is room to write it in and I can enter it. If I > know the first name only (James and Mary Jones), I enter Mary as Mary > __________. If I know the last name only (Mary (Smith) Jones, I enter the > husband as __________ Jones. Same if I know James and Mary had three > children, but no names. If I only know that James was married, I enter > __________ __________. Same for unknown other spouses > > In my scenario, The totally unknowns sort at the top of the index, the last > name unknowns sort next, by first name, and the first name unknowns sort at > the top of the rest of people with the same last name. > > Others use "UNK," "Last Name Unknown," or something else that works for > them. Depending on the size of your file, it can seem like a daunting task > to begin , but the results are well worth the effort. > > > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > On Monday, February 23, 2015 9:45 AM, Jim Hoke via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > > BJ, > > Your comment in The Great Debate about FTM 2014's handling of people's names > triggered me to wonder how one can search on surname. > > > > Specifically, my question is how does one find all the people in an ftm file > for whom the surname is blank (that is, it has not been entered)? I've > searched without luck the FTM-TECH archives for an answer. > > Thanks for the help, > > Jim Hoke > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:58:48 -0700 > > From: BJ <oldtrails@gmx.com> > > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Fact Notes and Names - (was The Great Debate) > > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <54EA6D38.7050907@gmx.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > Thanks for the comments. I see some have replied to your message but to > > add my 2cents worth, please see my comments interspersed below. > > > > BJ > > . > >> 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I > like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, > especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. > > > > As has been pointed out this feature was implemented beginning with FTM > > 2008 but not exactly as you describe. While the name is displayed as > > one continuous name, it actually consists of three fields; Given Names, > > Surname and Suffix. > > . > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- If you don't know your family history, you are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~ Michael Crichton ~ Mary W. Ellis http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/

I use basicly the same system, but if I know the husband was married but have no name I enter it like _____, (Smith) then I know that this person is the wife of a Smith. Works a lot better than having a list of 'who knows where they belong' people. Mary Ellis On 2/23/2015 10:27 AM, Thompson Jay via wrote: > Jim, > > Thinking of what that would involve, with only one person listed, the program would have to assume that there was a spouse that was blank, innumerable children that were not entered (whether they existed or not). The program just wouldn't know and would not be feasible. > Many of us have found other ways to accomplish that. I use 10 underbars for the unknown name. That way, if I print a report and give it to someone and they know the name, there is room to write it in and I can enter it. If I know the first name only (James and Mary Jones), I enter Mary as Mary __________. If I know the last name only (Mary (Smith) Jones, I enter the husband as __________ Jones. Same if I know James and Mary had three children, but no names. If I only know that James was married, I enter __________ __________. Same for unknown other spouses > In my scenario, The totally unknowns sort at the top of the index, the last name unknowns sort next, by first name, and the first name unknowns sort at the top of the rest of people with the same last name. > Others use "UNK," "Last Name Unknown," or something else that works for them. Depending on the size of your file, it can seem like a daunting task to begin , but the results are well worth the effort. > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > On Monday, February 23, 2015 9:45 AM, Jim Hoke via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > > BJ, > > Your comment in The Great Debate about FTM 2014's handling of people's names > triggered me to wonder how one can search on surname. > > > > Specifically, my question is how does one find all the people in an ftm file > for whom the surname is blank (that is, it has not been entered)? I've > searched without luck the FTM-TECH archives for an answer. > > Thanks for the help, > > Jim Hoke > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:58:48 -0700 > > From: BJ <oldtrails@gmx.com> > > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Fact Notes and Names - (was The Great Debate) > > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <54EA6D38.7050907@gmx.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > Thanks for the comments. I see some have replied to your message but to > > add my 2cents worth, please see my comments interspersed below. > > > > BJ > > . > >> 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I > like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, > especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. > > > > As has been pointed out this feature was implemented beginning with FTM > > 2008 but not exactly as you describe. While the name is displayed as > > one continuous name, it actually consists of three fields; Given Names, > > Surname and Suffix. > > . > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- If you don't know your family history, you are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~ Michael Crichton ~ Mary W. Ellis http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/

If you start putting street names, etc in the field you are talking about, you will end up with multiple entries for the same place, because each time you enter a new street address etc it makes it a new place. Hope you can understand this ... little hard to explain what I mean. Mary Ellis If you're using the street address as the description, a better way to approach it would be to include the street address in the location field. The resulting location can be resolved in the Place Name Authority, if you are using that. If you need instructions on how to do that, let us know. Judy in Ocala On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Desmond McDowell via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: Question to do with Individual facts E.g.: Individual Fact Date Place/ Description Census 31 March 1901 Dumfries, Dumfries-shire, Scotland; 62 High Street Would it not be better to have the Description come first or is there another reason why FTM would do it this way, please advise Thanks Desmon -- If you don't know your family history, you are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~ Michael Crichton ~ Mary W. Ellis http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/

Have you tested this? When I entered a given name only, it sorted in the index sorting based upon the alphabetic sort among the surnames. E.g. Entered an unrelated individual with James as the Given name. It was displayed in the index thusly: Jackson, Steve Jackson, Susannah James James, Leota Jaquis, Martha BJ On 2/23/2015 8:04 AM, H R Worthington via wrote: > Jim, > > People Workspace, Tree View, in the Index. They should be at the top of the list with only Given Names showing. > > > > ________________________________ > Jim Hoke wrote: > > Your comment in The Great Debate about FTM 2014's handling of people's names > triggered me to wonder how one can search on surname. > > Specifically, my question is how does one find all the people in an ftm file > for whom the surname is blank (that is, it has not been entered)? I've > searched without luck the FTM-TECH archives for an answer.

Good question. There is no easy way of filtering for individuals with no surname. The only thing I can suggest is using the Index on the People/Tree work area. Set the Sort to Surname, Given name. Then you can manually review the index looking for all names displayed without the comma. E.g. Most names with surnames will be displayed as Barber, James People without surnames will be displayed as James Sorry I can't be of more help. But you should be able to scroll the list fairly quickly. Another work around which would allow you to filter the individuals with no surnames is: When entering a name with no surname, always enter a unique character for the surname. Some people use a question mark (?). I use 10 underscores to indicate unknown information whether it is the surname or the given name. E.g. James ? James __________ __________ Barber You can then filter for the unique character/s. BJ On 2/23/2015 7:43 AM, Jim Hoke via wrote: > BJ, > > Your comment in The Great Debate about FTM 2014's handling of people's names > triggered me to wonder how one can search on surname. > > > > Specifically, my question is how does one find all the people in an ftm file > for whom the surname is blank (that is, it has not been entered)? I've > searched without luck the FTM-TECH archives for an answer. > > Thanks for the help, > > Jim Hoke > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 16:58:48 -0700 > > From: BJ <oldtrails@gmx.com> > > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Fact Notes and Names - (was The Great Debate) > > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <54EA6D38.7050907@gmx.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > > > Thanks for the comments. I see some have replied to your message but to > > add my 2cents worth, please see my comments interspersed below. > > > > BJ > > . > >> 3. Split the NAME field into FIRST, MIDDLE, LAST, PREFIX and SUFFIX. I > like to be able to see titles (Captain) and it helps with reports, > especially when some people do not have all parts of their names identified. > > > > As has been pointed out this feature was implemented beginning with FTM > > 2008 but not exactly as you describe. While the name is displayed as > > one continuous name, it actually consists of three fields; Given Names, > > Surname and Suffix. > > . > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I know this is just a so so workaround, but I wanted someone to see all the notes in the online tree, so I run a report for all notes in pdf form. I then attached it to the person that I most wanted to see all the notes, then they have that available to retrieve and read. Not perfect, but until they make them available, it works. Mary On 2/23/2015 12:02 AM, Ian Marr via wrote: > Hi Russ, > > To all intentional purposes, you are right - "The information IS the SAME in > your AMT and in your FTM2014 file". > > However, and I have complained about this in the past, not everything is > accessible. > > I, and I am sure many others, have their trees uploaded into an AMT so that > they can make it available to other researchers, with the intention that > others researching similar lines can both obtain information to help with > their own research and provide new or corrected information to me - thus > broadening my research base, and theirs, as wide as possible. > > I make extensive use of personal notes in my recording. Unless you are > viewing your own tree or are an invited "guest" to someone else's tree, > these notes are not available. You then have the problem that others can > modify your data if they have been invited to your tree. This reduces the > effectiveness of the AMT as a vehicle for making available important > information about those you are researching and can open you up to outside > "corruption" of your data. > > I have even gone to the extent of maintaining a tree (direct-line ancestors > & siblings only) in TribalPages for the simple reason that, although limited > to 8000 words approximately per individual, I can include all my notes. > > There are many reasons why I maintain an online version of my tree, > including the ancestry AMT (and these do not include back-up purposes) - but > until they make all notes (except those marked "private") available in a > read-only form for ALL users, it will always remain a second-rate vehicle > for sharing your research. > > Regards, > Ian MARR > at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level > > This message can be considered to be in the public domain. > > The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ > Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ > Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ > Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. > -----Original Message----- > From: H R Worthington via > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:33 PM > To: Debbie ; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate > > Debbie, > > The information IS the SAME in your AMT and in your FTM2014 file. > > What is not in your AMT that isn't in your FTM2014 file? Please be very > careful how you answer that question. As, you may not be able to SEE > everything in your AMT but there is a lot of information in the AMT > structure that you can't see. I have backed up my file, from my AMT for a > Test. Lots of information not seen in the AMT were returned to my restored > file. > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > > ________________________________ > From: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com> > To: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" > <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate > > > > Of course I want citations in AMT. But, there's value in having a > one-to-many relationship in cases where the same citation can link to > multiple people. When I sync things, I don't want the differences in the two > systems to modify my work. If I add citatation #1 to Person A, B, and C.... > sync the two systems..... why do I now have three copies of the identical > citation? > Furthermore, I was really angered when sync issues in the last version > corrupted my file and I had to download the tree from AMT into FTM..... > because I knew that the tree I'd be getting wasn't 100% mirror image of my > FTM tree. They should invest in making the systems identical so that there > are no difference between the two copies. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> > To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" > <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate > > > > Debbie, > > That is NOT in FTM2014 that is in the Ancestry Member Tree. It is being > presented in the AMT on each Fact where that Citation is used. > > If you really think about it, each Citation is on each person in FTM2014. > So, I am sorry, but don't understand the issue. Don't you want Citations in > the AMT? > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com> > To: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" > <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:25 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate > > > > Another question I have..... the whole sync process and it's impact on > sources. At times I'll work in FTM and add a single source to the facts for > multiple people. One-to-Many relationship. I sync with Ancestry Trees and > whala -- all of a sudden I have a separate source for each person, a > one-to-one relationship. I don't want to have separate sources in these > cases. Why does this happen?? > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- If you don't know your family history, you are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ~ Michael Crichton ~ Mary W. Ellis http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~mwellis/ http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncacgs/

Russ said: “<snip>I rarely let anyone be an Editor on my Tree. In fact, none of my trees have Editors. The notes can be seen, but not everything.” Like you, I would never have nor allow anyone to have “Editor” privileges to my trees. However, as to notes being seen, even if not everything, unless it is your own tree or you have editor status, notes CANNOT be seen by any other user. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer.

Hi Russ, To all intentional purposes, you are right - "The information IS the SAME in your AMT and in your FTM2014 file". However, and I have complained about this in the past, not everything is accessible. I, and I am sure many others, have their trees uploaded into an AMT so that they can make it available to other researchers, with the intention that others researching similar lines can both obtain information to help with their own research and provide new or corrected information to me - thus broadening my research base, and theirs, as wide as possible. I make extensive use of personal notes in my recording. Unless you are viewing your own tree or are an invited "guest" to someone else's tree, these notes are not available. You then have the problem that others can modify your data if they have been invited to your tree. This reduces the effectiveness of the AMT as a vehicle for making available important information about those you are researching and can open you up to outside "corruption" of your data. I have even gone to the extent of maintaining a tree (direct-line ancestors & siblings only) in TribalPages for the simple reason that, although limited to 8000 words approximately per individual, I can include all my notes. There are many reasons why I maintain an online version of my tree, including the ancestry AMT (and these do not include back-up purposes) - but until they make all notes (except those marked "private") available in a read-only form for ALL users, it will always remain a second-rate vehicle for sharing your research. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. -----Original Message----- From: H R Worthington via Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 1:33 PM To: Debbie ; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, The information IS the SAME in your AMT and in your FTM2014 file. What is not in your AMT that isn't in your FTM2014 file? Please be very careful how you answer that question. As, you may not be able to SEE everything in your AMT but there is a lot of information in the AMT structure that you can't see. I have backed up my file, from my AMT for a Test. Lots of information not seen in the AMT were returned to my restored file. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com> To: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Of course I want citations in AMT. But, there's value in having a one-to-many relationship in cases where the same citation can link to multiple people. When I sync things, I don't want the differences in the two systems to modify my work. If I add citatation #1 to Person A, B, and C.... sync the two systems..... why do I now have three copies of the identical citation? Furthermore, I was really angered when sync issues in the last version corrupted my file and I had to download the tree from AMT into FTM..... because I knew that the tree I'd be getting wasn't 100% mirror image of my FTM tree. They should invest in making the systems identical so that there are no difference between the two copies. ________________________________ From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Debbie, That is NOT in FTM2014 that is in the Ancestry Member Tree. It is being presented in the AMT on each Fact where that Citation is used. If you really think about it, each Citation is on each person in FTM2014. So, I am sorry, but don't understand the issue. Don't you want Citations in the AMT? Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com> To: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net>; "ftm-tech@rootsweb.com" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2015 6:25 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] The Great Debate Another question I have..... the whole sync process and it's impact on sources. At times I'll work in FTM and add a single source to the facts for multiple people. One-to-Many relationship. I sync with Ancestry Trees and whala -- all of a sudden I have a separate source for each person, a one-to-one relationship. I don't want to have separate sources in these cases. Why does this happen?? ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> > One more thing that was mentioned earlier, but bears repeating here. The > Fact Notes are not visible by default. Go to Tools > Options > General, > then check the box "Display Fact Notes." Then you should be able to see the > tab for Fact Notes in the right hand panel as I showed it in the screen > print I sent you. > > I forgot to mention this before, because it's a global setting that you > have to do only once and I probably did it 7 years ago and forgot all about > it. > > I hope you find it. It's one of my favorite features in v. 20XX. > > Judy in Ocala > > On Feb 22, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Debbie <growingatree@hotmail.com> wrote: >> >> Where is the note tab for facts?? I see that there is a "Person Notes" >> area.... but I do not see a "notes" area specific to each fact.... I >> appreciate the help because this is certainly something I'd like to >> leverage. I find this especially helpful with military records where I'd >> like to include more detail...... >> >> :) >> thanks, >> Debbie >> >

A recent Ancestry video taught me that if you edit the Location field, there is a field above the Location field which should be used to enter street addresses. names of cemeteries anc hospitals, etc. This puts the smaller jurisdiction at the beginning of locations in reports, but does not screw up the location database Tom Ithaca, NY On 2/23/2015 10:28 AM, Judy in Ocala via wrote: > If you're using the street address as the description, a better way to approach it would be to include the street address in the location field. > > The resulting location can be resolved in the Place Name Authority, if you are using that. If you need instructions on how to do that, let us know. > > Judy in Ocala > > On Feb 23, 2015, at 10:00 AM, Desmond McDowell via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > Question to do with Individual facts E.g.: > > Individual Fact Date Place/ Description > Census 31 March 1901 Dumfries, Dumfries-shire, Scotland; > 62 High Street > > Would it not be better to have the Description come first or is there > another reason why FTM would do it this way, please advise > > > Thanks > Desmond > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >