I'm sorry but I've never used FTMM so I don't know whether there is a deep compact or not. John D and Russ are both users of FTMM so perhaps they would know. BJ On 5/24/2015 8:50 AM, John Yates via wrote: > Is there a "deep compact" in Family Tree Maker 3 on Mac OS? If so, > what keystrokes using: shift, control, option, and command will > invoke it?

Have you done the deep compacting described by BJ below? You don't have to have your file open to perform this function.Open Family Tree Maker with no data file open. Perform the keystrokes given by BJ, then browse for the file that's giving you the problem. FTM will perform the deep compact on the file even though it isn't open. Once it has completed its task, then try opening your file, and let us know the results. Judy in Ocala On May 19, 2015, at 10:55 AM, Derk & Lorraine Sherren via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> wrote: I have a "large" tree (71,000 people) that has crashed so thoroughly that I can't open it. This tree has been nurtured through all versions of FTM going back to v. 3.3. It started failing two years ago, but I somehow got it up and running again. The last time I had to restore from my most recent back-up (your suggestion #2 below) which hopefully solved the problem. Now, because I can't open it, I can't perform any other tasks. Tech support at Ancestry asked me to send the tree to them so they could give it a go. After waiting a MONTH I got back to them only to find out they couldn't find the problem so gave up and called it "irreparable". I just couldn't accept that (they call themselves "experts"??) so I convinced them to look again. I'm still waiting. Here's my dilemma. Option #1: Go back to my Back-up (which I still have). Two problems with this. First, it seems apparent that the corruption was already present in the back-up. Second, I have added over 1,000 names and 50+ media since then. Reconstruction would be tortuous. Option #2: Since the tree was synced, download my Ancestry tree and work with that one (see below). My first concern is, could the corruption infect the Ancestry tree?? Secondly, as we know, the Ancestry Tree does not import everything from the FTM tree, in particular all the Fact Notes - and I have a LOT of them. Not to mention what has also been noted, how the AFT handles sources. For someone with a tree of, say, 7,000 people, the necessary clean-up would be somewhat manageable. Try 70,000 people!! At the moment, at the suggestion of the Associate at Ancestry, I HAVE downloaded my Ancestry tree and I'm working with it, but mostly as a Read-Only. Going back to my first concern, this tree still appears to be unstable. When I try to compact it, the first try ALWAYS causes FTM to crash "FTM has stopped working and needs to close". I frequently get "not responding" when I do try to enter data. I realize it usually means "I'm working at it, give me time" but that "time" is becoming more like 2 minutes! Yes, I do still keep the tree compacted to "0". Ancestry support has told me the tree is too big, and needs to be split. The problem is, it has already been split! This line is strictly from my grandfather (my mother's father). I have other trees for my other lines. Obviously, everyone in this line is related to each other. Also, because of the nature of things in Ontario, I have inter-marriages spread over all areas of the line. Where would I split? Then there is the question of relationships". If I split, the Relationship Chart would be useless. I frequently have relatives asking how THEY are related to another person in the tree, never mind how I am related. So, splitting this tree is not an option. Through following this Discussion List over the years, I know there are others who have "large" trees (70,000+ people w. 7,000+ media). I'm pleading for any help you can give me on what I can do. This is my life's work! :( Lorraine Sherren On Behalf Of BJ via Sent: 14 May 2015 18:25 What you describe is highly unusual and I'm not sure exactly why it is happening or what is causing it. Normally, you receive the message because the file was closed abruptly. In most cases the file is OK but on occasion there may be something wrong. Compacting the file normally corrects the condition but it doesn't seem to be doing any good in your case. First, it really doesn't matter whether you use the X in the upper right corner or using the File Exit. Both trigger the same activity which is to close the file and terminate FTM. Are you experiencing this problem with any other files? If you don't have another file, create a new small file and try opening and closing FTM with that file. Hopefully this will tell us whether the problem lies only with the file or whether there is something happening with FTM. I'm pretty sure it is simply the file but we need to eliminate any other potential sources of the problem. Assuming the problem lies with the file, Compacting the file normally corrects the problem but in your case it doesn't seem to do that. So the next step is to perform a "deep compacting of the file". You can do this by: 1. Opening FTM 2. Close the file currently open by clicking File, Close. This closes the file but leaves FTM running. FTM displays the screen for creating a new file. 3. Now you can run the "deep compact". To do this Press and hold Shift+Ctrl+Alt and click C (shift+ctrl+alt+c). FTM will open a dialog window which you will need to locate your file folder and select the file name. 4. Select the file name and click Open. 5. A dialog box opens, Click Compact. 6. Compacting will complete. 7. The New file window will display but in the lower left corner there should be a window listing files. Click your file and it should open, hopefully without any problems. 8. Exit FTM and reopen FTM. Again hopefully the file will open without any problems. If you still get the error message, 1. I would make a backup of the file. 2. I would then use File Restore to restore the backup with a new name. 3. If you have your file synched to an AMT, ensure you elect to synch the new restored file to the AMT. (note, this will break the sync between the old file and the AMT but that is OK.) 4. The restored file will be open. 5. Exit FTM and restart. It should open the restored file without any problems. 6. Check out the file. 7. You can then delete the old file. 8. If you want the new restored file to have the same name as the original file, you can use FTM to Rename the file. This will update all of the links to the media files using the proper folder and file name. If after all this, you are still experiencing the same problem with the file, the only other thing I can suggest is to: 1. Use FTM to create a New file. 2. When creating the new file, input only one individual using a name which is not in your original file. 3. With the newly created file open, Click File Merge. 4. Select your old file and complete the merge. This causes FTM to bring all individuals and information from the old file into the new file. 5. The newly merged file will be open. At this point you can select the "fictitious name" and delete it from the file. 6. Exit FTM and Restart FTM. 7. Using FTM, you can delete the old file and Rename the newly merged file using the original file name. 8. Unfortunately, using this technique will require you to upload the file to a new AMT file. Before uploading the new AMT, I would go online and delete the old AMT. You don't want an old tree sitting around and never being updated. Let us know the results. BJ ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a "large" tree (71,000 people) that has crashed so thoroughly that I can't open it. This tree has been nurtured through all versions of FTM going back to v. 3.3. It started failing two years ago, but I somehow got it up and running again. The last time I had to restore from my most recent back-up (your suggestion #2 below) which hopefully solved the problem. Now, because I can't open it, I can't perform any other tasks. Tech support at Ancestry asked me to send the tree to them so they could give it a go. After waiting a MONTH I got back to them only to find out they couldn't find the problem so gave up and called it "irreparable". I just couldn't accept that (they call themselves "experts"??) so I convinced them to look again. I'm still waiting. Here's my dilemma. Option #1: Go back to my Back-up (which I still have). Two problems with this. First, it seems apparent that the corruption was already present in the back-up. Second, I have added over 1,000 names and 50+ media since then. Reconstruction would be tortuous. Option #2: Since the tree was synced, download my Ancestry tree and work with that one (see below). My first concern is, could the corruption infect the Ancestry tree?? Secondly, as we know, the Ancestry Tree does not import everything from the FTM tree, in particular all the Fact Notes - and I have a LOT of them. Not to mention what has also been noted, how the AFT handles sources. For someone with a tree of, say, 7,000 people, the necessary clean-up would be somewhat manageable. Try 70,000 people!! At the moment, at the suggestion of the Associate at Ancestry, I HAVE downloaded my Ancestry tree and I'm working with it, but mostly as a Read-Only. Going back to my first concern, this tree still appears to be unstable. When I try to compact it, the first try ALWAYS causes FTM to crash "FTM has stopped working and needs to close". I frequently get "not responding" when I do try to enter data. I realize it usually means "I'm working at it, give me time" but that "time" is becoming more like 2 minutes! Yes, I do still keep the tree compacted to "0". Ancestry support has told me the tree is too big, and needs to be split. The problem is, it has already been split! This line is strictly from my grandfather (my mother's father). I have other trees for my other lines. Obviously, everyone in this line is related to each other. Also, because of the nature of things in Ontario, I have inter-marriages spread over all areas of the line. Where would I split? Then there is the question of relationships". If I split, the Relationship Chart would be useless. I frequently have relatives asking how THEY are related to another person in the tree, never mind how I am related. So, splitting this tree is not an option. Through following this Discussion List over the years, I know there are others who have "large" trees (70,000+ people w. 7,000+ media). I'm pleading for any help you can give me on what I can do. This is my life's work! :( Lorraine Sherren On Behalf Of BJ via Sent: 14 May 2015 18:25 What you describe is highly unusual and I'm not sure exactly why it is happening or what is causing it. Normally, you receive the message because the file was closed abruptly. In most cases the file is OK but on occasion there may be something wrong. Compacting the file normally corrects the condition but it doesn't seem to be doing any good in your case. First, it really doesn't matter whether you use the X in the upper right corner or using the File Exit. Both trigger the same activity which is to close the file and terminate FTM. Are you experiencing this problem with any other files? If you don't have another file, create a new small file and try opening and closing FTM with that file. Hopefully this will tell us whether the problem lies only with the file or whether there is something happening with FTM. I'm pretty sure it is simply the file but we need to eliminate any other potential sources of the problem. Assuming the problem lies with the file, Compacting the file normally corrects the problem but in your case it doesn't seem to do that. So the next step is to perform a "deep compacting of the file". You can do this by: 1. Opening FTM 2. Close the file currently open by clicking File, Close. This closes the file but leaves FTM running. FTM displays the screen for creating a new file. 3. Now you can run the "deep compact". To do this Press and hold Shift+Ctrl+Alt and click C (shift+ctrl+alt+c). FTM will open a dialog window which you will need to locate your file folder and select the file name. 4. Select the file name and click Open. 5. A dialog box opens, Click Compact. 6. Compacting will complete. 7. The New file window will display but in the lower left corner there should be a window listing files. Click your file and it should open, hopefully without any problems. 8. Exit FTM and reopen FTM. Again hopefully the file will open without any problems. If you still get the error message, 1. I would make a backup of the file. 2. I would then use File Restore to restore the backup with a new name. 3. If you have your file synched to an AMT, ensure you elect to synch the new restored file to the AMT. (note, this will break the sync between the old file and the AMT but that is OK.) 4. The restored file will be open. 5. Exit FTM and restart. It should open the restored file without any problems. 6. Check out the file. 7. You can then delete the old file. 8. If you want the new restored file to have the same name as the original file, you can use FTM to Rename the file. This will update all of the links to the media files using the proper folder and file name. If after all this, you are still experiencing the same problem with the file, the only other thing I can suggest is to: 1. Use FTM to create a New file. 2. When creating the new file, input only one individual using a name which is not in your original file. 3. With the newly created file open, Click File Merge. 4. Select your old file and complete the merge. This causes FTM to bring all individuals and information from the old file into the new file. 5. The newly merged file will be open. At this point you can select the "fictitious name" and delete it from the file. 6. Exit FTM and Restart FTM. 7. Using FTM, you can delete the old file and Rename the newly merged file using the original file name. 8. Unfortunately, using this technique will require you to upload the file to a new AMT file. Before uploading the new AMT, I would go online and delete the old AMT. You don't want an old tree sitting around and never being updated. Let us know the results. BJ

You can also do it as you encounter them with the "change" option. It is the same method you would use if you were actually CHANGING the location. For example, I wanted enter "Kingston, Ontario" as a location. Somehow, I typed in "Kington, Ontario" and didn't notice it. I continue to use this wrong one not noticing that I had a typo. Then I do notice it when I type in "Kingston Ontario" and the fastfield gives me the wrong one. I select it, then CHANGE it to read "Kingston, Ontario". FTM pops up a window asking me if I want to change ALL entries or only this one. This time I would select ALL, and all my entries are corrected. As with Tim's method, because the incorrect one is no longer in use, it is removed from the FastField. Lorraine Sherren Date: Mon, 18 May 2015 09:35:10 -0400 From: "Timothy N. West" <tim_west@verizon.net> It is possible to remove a single entry but long winded. The fact the erroneous entry exists in the fast field is because that entry is being used somewhere within your database. You must find where that entry is being used and correct it. Once all of the erroneous entries have been found and corrected, then the erroneous entry in the fast field list automatically disappears. Use FTM's "find and replace" function under the "Edit" pull down menu. .tim west.

Tim, I think that this is the answer to this question: To remove one, you would need to find where it is used and remove it there That would include, editing an entry as well. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: Timothy N. West via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List It is possible to remove a single entry but long winded.  The fact the erroneous entry exists in the fast field is because that entry is being used somewhere within your database.  You must find where that entry is being used and correct it.  Once all of the erroneous entries have been found and corrected, then the erroneous entry in the fast field list automatically disappears.  Use FTM's "find and replace" function under the "Edit" pull down menu.

I've had to do this occasionally with an extremely annoying error. It does work. Rosemary On 5/18/2015 9:49 AM, H R Worthington via wrote: > Tim, > I think that this is the answer to this question: > To remove one, you would need to find where it is used and remove it there > > That would include, editing an entry as well. > Russ ___________________________ > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > From: Timothy N. West via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, May 18, 2015 9:35 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List > > It is possible to remove a single entry but long winded. The fact the > erroneous entry exists in the fast field is because that entry is being used > somewhere within your database. You must find where that entry is being > used and correct it. Once all of the erroneous entries have been found and > corrected, then the erroneous entry in the fast field list automatically > disappears. Use FTM's "find and replace" function under the "Edit" pull > down menu. > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It is possible to remove a single entry but long winded. The fact the erroneous entry exists in the fast field is because that entry is being used somewhere within your database. You must find where that entry is being used and correct it. Once all of the erroneous entries have been found and corrected, then the erroneous entry in the fast field list automatically disappears. Use FTM's "find and replace" function under the "Edit" pull down menu. .tim west. Scott County, Tennessee Coordinator for the TNGenWeb Project http://www.tngenweb.org/scott -----Original Message----- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 13:32:58 +1000 From: "Ian Marr" <ian_marr@bigpond.net.au> Subject: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List To: "ZFamily Tree Maker List" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <906D1659E58749058CCD5AC7C52129B2@Tiny> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I am running FTM 2014 (22.0.0.1345). How can I remove entries from the Fast Fields list? Is it possible? I have cases where an erroneous entry gets in the way, making the list of choices longer than it needs to be. Regards, Ian MARR at 38? 24' 01.299" S by 142? 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. ------------------------------ End of FTM-TECH Digest, Vol 9, Issue 69 ***************************************

Ian,David, You can CLEAR the FastField entries and create a new, clean list but going to Tools, Options, and unchecking the field you want to clear. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: David Abernathy via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: 'Ian Marr' <ian_marr@bigpond.net.au>; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List I have not found a way in doing this. BUT, it is something that needs to be provided as all 4 of the different FastFields areas can get filled with error type of entries. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Marr via Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:33 PM To: ZFamily Tree Maker List Subject: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List I am running FTM 2014 (22.0.0.1345). How can I remove entries from the Fast Fields list?  Is it possible? I have cases where an erroneous entry gets in the way, making the list of choices longer than it needs to be.

I am running FTM 2014 (22.0.0.1345). How can I remove entries from the Fast Fields list? Is it possible? I have cases where an erroneous entry gets in the way, making the list of choices longer than it needs to be. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer.

Russ and all, That does work but it does NOT remove the actual list - it stays in memory and can be recalled simply by rechecking the option in the Options on the Tools menu. The Place field DOES have an edit button that allows for corrections - simply click in the Place field and the edit box will come up. Linda -----Original Message----- From: H R Worthington via Sent: Sunday, 17 May, 2015 12:26 PM To: David Abernathy ; 'Ian Marr' ; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com ; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List Ian,David, You can CLEAR the FastField entries and create a new, clean list but going to Tools, Options, and unchecking the field you want to clear. Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net From: David Abernathy via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> To: 'Ian Marr' <ian_marr@bigpond.net.au>; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List I have not found a way in doing this. BUT, it is something that needs to be provided as all 4 of the different FastFields areas can get filled with error type of entries. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Marr via Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:33 PM To: ZFamily Tree Maker List Subject: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List I am running FTM 2014 (22.0.0.1345). How can I remove entries from the Fast Fields list? Is it possible? I have cases where an erroneous entry gets in the way, making the list of choices longer than it needs to be. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear BJ, As always when I submit a question to the forum I get an answer to my problem and also thanks to all that replied, I did as you suggested BJ and did "deep compacting of the file" this so far seems to have cured the start - up problem. Is it possible that you could explain how and why the deep compact works and the ordinary compact does not? (in laymen's terms please) as I am not a programmer. Once again may thanks to the forum and members for all the help given. Kind Regards, Mike. -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BJ via Sent: 14 May 2015 18:25 To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Start - Up Fault What you describe is highly unusual and I'm not sure exactly why it is happening or what is causing it. Normally, you receive the message because the file was closed abruptly. In most cases the file is OK but on occasion there may be something wrong. Compacting the file normally corrects the condition but it doesn't seem to be doing any good in your case. First, it really doesn't matter whether you use the X in the upper right corner or using the File Exit. Both trigger the same activity which is to close the file and terminate FTM. Are you experiencing this problem with any other files? If you don't have another file, create a new small file and try opening and closing FTM with that file. Hopefully this will tell us whether the problem lies only with the file or whether there is something happening with FTM. I'm pretty sure it is simply the file but we need to eliminate any other potential sources of the problem. Assuming the problem lies with the file, Compacting the file normally corrects the problem but in your case it doesn't seem to do that. So the next step is to perform a "deep compacting of the file". You can do this by: 1. Opening FTM 2. Close the file currently open by clicking File, Close. This closes the file but leaves FTM running. FTM displays the screen for creating a new file. 3. Now you can run the "deep compact". To do this Press and hold Shift+Ctrl+Alt and click C (shift+ctrl+alt+c). FTM will open a dialog window which you will need to locate your file folder and select the file name. 4. Select the file name and click Open. 5. A dialog box opens, Click Compact. 6. Compacting will complete. 7. The New file window will display but in the lower left corner there should be a window listing files. Click your file and it should open, hopefully without any problems. 8. Exit FTM and reopen FTM. Again hopefully the file will open without any problems. If you still get the error message, 1. I would make a backup of the file. 2. I would then use File Restore to restore the backup with a new name. 3. If you have your file synched to an AMT, ensure you elect to synch the new restored file to the AMT. (note, this will break the sync between the old file and the AMT but that is OK.) 4. The restored file will be open. 5. Exit FTM and restart. It should open the restored file without any problems. 6. Check out the file. 7. You can then delete the old file. 8. If you want the new restored file to have the same name as the original file, you can use FTM to Rename the file. This will update all of the links to the media files using the proper folder and file name. If after all this, you are still experiencing the same problem with the file, the only other thing I can suggest is to: 1. Use FTM to create a New file. 2. When creating the new file, input only one individual using a name which is not in your original file. 3. With the newly created file open, Click File Merge. 4. Select your old file and complete the merge. This causes FTM to bring all individuals and information from the old file into the new file. 5. The newly merged file will be open. At this point you can select the "fictitious name" and delete it from the file. 6. Exit FTM and Restart FTM. 7. Using FTM, you can delete the old file and Rename the newly merged file using the original file name. 8. Unfortunately, using this technique will require you to upload the file to a new AMT file. Before uploading the new AMT, I would go online and delete the old AMT. You don't want an old tree sitting around and never being updated. Let us know the results. BJ On 5/14/2015 9:35 AM, Mike Thacker via wrote: > I have over the last few weeks been experiencing a problem on start-up > with FTM 2014 version 22.0.0.1345 run on a Win 7 O/s with 16 Gb > memory. On start-up it states. " FTM was not closed properly the last > time it was used You may need to compact your last opened file to > resolve any issues caused by an improper shutdown. To compact the file > choose the Compact File from the tools menu" > I have been in the habit of closing FTM in the past by just clicking > the close X in the top right of the screen, but on reading further > instructions I now close using the File - Exit command in the top left > hand tool bar. This does not seem to have cured the issue either even > after compacting the file before closing down I still get this > recurring fault on start-up, from memory I think this started about > the same time as the last major upgrade or the last update. Any help > or useful suggestions would be most appreciated. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You might try clearing the all of the checks in this area of the Options. Then check to see if these FastFields have been cleared. Then close FTM and then restart it, with the same tree. This option applies to only the open tree, it should NOT affect and other trees. You will need to go back to options to and turn them back on, in this same tree. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BJ via Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 10:38 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List Good question. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any way to remove unwanted entries, e.g. typing "a" yields a lot of entries for "at age 'xx'". I was hoping that highlighting a entry in the list and pressing Delete would remove it but that doesn't work. BJ On 5/16/2015 9:32 PM, Ian Marr via wrote: > I am running FTM 2014 (22.0.0.1345). > > How can I remove entries from the Fast Fields list? Is it possible? > > I have cases where an erroneous entry gets in the way, making the list > of choices longer than it needs to be. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good question. Unfortunately, I have not been able to find any way to remove unwanted entries, e.g. typing "a" yields a lot of entries for "at age 'xx'". I was hoping that highlighting a entry in the list and pressing Delete would remove it but that doesn't work. BJ On 5/16/2015 9:32 PM, Ian Marr via wrote: > I am running FTM 2014 (22.0.0.1345). > > How can I remove entries from the Fast Fields list? Is it possible? > > I have cases where an erroneous entry gets in the way, making the list of > choices longer than it needs to be.

I'm not sure what the differences are between the regular compact and the deep compact. Here is what I surmise. The data base consists of multiple tables or sections of like data. The most commonly used or modified tables are the individual personal information, the individual facts data, the relationship pointers, the source and source citation data, place information, media data and notes. As this is the data which is most often modified and used, it is the data which is most susceptible to being corrupted or not updated. The "compact" probably examines this information and attempts to correct any problems found. What many of use don't remember or perhaps even recognize is there are other tables in the data base such as the saved reports/chars, the book, calendars, timelines, tasks, etc. These tend to not being used as often and therefore they are as susceptible to being corrupted BUT it is possible. Therefore the developers have provided the Deep Compact which looks at all tables and indices or address tables. Since it is looking at all of the tables and their information, it takes longer to complete. Since it looks at all of the data, it has the potential of not only correcting issues but if interrupted causing some irreparable damage to the data base. Therefore the developers don't tell the user community about it. I suspect your file had a problem with these "extra" tables and therefore the Compact did not correct but the Deep Compact did correct. Here is a list of actions I normally attempt in the order I attempt them. 1. Compact the file - This normally corrects the data addresses (the entries which point to the various tables. 2. Deep Compact the file - This examines all tables and addresses within the data base. 3. Restore from a good backup. This lets the user recover most of the data and retain the links between the data base and the online Ancestry Member Tree (AMT). Dependent upon the frequency of the backups, this may require some reentry of data or reediting of data. 4. Creating a new data base with a single individual and then merging the old data base into the new data base. This technique retains all information by starting with a new non-corrupted data base and simply transferring all data into it. Unfortunately, the new data base is not linked to the AMT so the user must delete the old AMT and then reupload the new data base to a new AMT. 5. I one instance, my data base was so corrupted that I could not use steps 1, 2 or 4. Also I did not have a current backup of my file so I while I could use step 3, it would entail a lot of data reentry which I could probably not remember all of it. In this case, my only opportunity was to download the AMT into a new data base. In this instance, it was my best opportunity but it also entails extensive editing to get the data base back to my original structure. Items which needed to be reviewed and reedited were: * Place names - all needed to be resolved. * Source-Citations - in many instances, I use a single source-citation to document multiple facts for a single person and also a single source-citation to document facts for multiple individuals. The downloaded AMT restores the links between a single source-citation and multiple facts for a single individual only. Therefore I had to re-aggregate multiple individuals to a single source-citation. While it is not too difficult it is time consuming to merge the duplicate source-citations into a single source-citation. * Media items - I save media files with file names which identify the type of media item and to whom it pertains. The downloaded media files lose this information so I have to rename the media files. As I recall, FTM will use the media Caption as the file name. If the media item does not have a Caption, FTM assigns a more generic name. It has been some time since I looked at this but I think FTM will use the individual's name as part of the generated file name. Also for those media items automatically downloaded from the Ancestry Online Data Bases such as the Census images, the Caption may not be what you had in your original data. The media Description, Image categories, Notes, etc. are lost and will have to be reentered. I don't use source templates but I suspect, those source-citations where templates were used will have to be converted to the template again. Perhaps some one who uses templates can correct me if they are retained. I hope this answers your question. BJ On 5/17/2015 4:59 AM, Mike Thacker wrote: > Dear BJ, > As always when I submit a question to the forum I get an answer to > my problem and also thanks to all that replied, I did as you suggested BJ > and did "deep compacting of the file" this so far seems to have cured the > start - up problem. Is it possible that you could explain how and why the > deep compact works and the ordinary compact does not? (in laymen's terms > please) as I am not a programmer. > Once again may thanks to the forum and members for all the help > given.

I have not found a way in doing this. BUT, it is something that needs to be provided as all 4 of the different FastFields areas can get filled with error type of entries. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ian Marr via Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2015 8:33 PM To: ZFamily Tree Maker List Subject: [FTM-TECH] Removal of Entries in FastFields List I am running FTM 2014 (22.0.0.1345). How can I remove entries from the Fast Fields list? Is it possible? I have cases where an erroneous entry gets in the way, making the list of choices longer than it needs to be. Regards, Ian MARR at 38° 24' 01.299" S by 142° 34' 11.9094" E; 6m above sea level This message can be considered to be in the public domain. The home of SW Victorian Cemetery indexes: http://www.ianmarr.net.au/ Allansford Weather (10 min updates): http://www.ianmarr.net.au/Weather/ Family Tree: http://marrwatts.tribalpages.com/ Remember, to EVERY question in life, there is MORE than ONE correct answer. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do as it says, compact your file in order not to get the message. Ole 2015-05-14 17:35 GMT+02:00 Mike Thacker via <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com>: > Dear Forum, > I have over the last few weeks been experiencing a problem > on start-up with FTM 2014 version 22.0.0.1345 run on a Win 7 O/s with 16 > Gb > memory. On start-up it states. " FTM was not closed properly the last time > it was used You may need to compact your last opened file to resolve any > issues caused by an improper shutdown. To compact the file choose the > Compact File from the tools menu" > I have been in the habit of closing FTM in the past by just > clicking > the close X in the top right of the screen, but on reading further > instructions I now close using the File - Exit command in the top left hand > tool bar. This does not seem to have cured the issue either even after > compacting the file before closing down I still get this recurring fault on > start-up, from memory I think this started about the same time as the last > major upgrade or the last update. Any help or useful suggestions would be > most appreciated. > > > Kind Regards, > Mike. > > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Ole P. Bielefeldt www.familytreemaker.dk

Dear Forum, I have over the last few weeks been experiencing a problem on start-up with FTM 2014 version 22.0.0.1345 run on a Win 7 O/s with 16 Gb memory. On start-up it states. " FTM was not closed properly the last time it was used You may need to compact your last opened file to resolve any issues caused by an improper shutdown. To compact the file choose the Compact File from the tools menu" I have been in the habit of closing FTM in the past by just clicking the close X in the top right of the screen, but on reading further instructions I now close using the File - Exit command in the top left hand tool bar. This does not seem to have cured the issue either even after compacting the file before closing down I still get this recurring fault on start-up, from memory I think this started about the same time as the last major upgrade or the last update. Any help or useful suggestions would be most appreciated. Kind Regards, Mike.

What you describe is highly unusual and I'm not sure exactly why it is happening or what is causing it. Normally, you receive the message because the file was closed abruptly. In most cases the file is OK but on occasion there may be something wrong. Compacting the file normally corrects the condition but it doesn't seem to be doing any good in your case. First, it really doesn't matter whether you use the X in the upper right corner or using the File Exit. Both trigger the same activity which is to close the file and terminate FTM. Are you experiencing this problem with any other files? If you don't have another file, create a new small file and try opening and closing FTM with that file. Hopefully this will tell us whether the problem lies only with the file or whether there is something happening with FTM. I'm pretty sure it is simply the file but we need to eliminate any other potential sources of the problem. Assuming the problem lies with the file, Compacting the file normally corrects the problem but in your case it doesn't seem to do that. So the next step is to perform a "deep compacting of the file". You can do this by: 1. Opening FTM 2. Close the file currently open by clicking File, Close. This closes the file but leaves FTM running. FTM displays the screen for creating a new file. 3. Now you can run the "deep compact". To do this Press and hold Shift+Ctrl+Alt and click C (shift+ctrl+alt+c). FTM will open a dialog window which you will need to locate your file folder and select the file name. 4. Select the file name and click Open. 5. A dialog box opens, Click Compact. 6. Compacting will complete. 7. The New file window will display but in the lower left corner there should be a window listing files. Click your file and it should open, hopefully without any problems. 8. Exit FTM and reopen FTM. Again hopefully the file will open without any problems. If you still get the error message, 1. I would make a backup of the file. 2. I would then use File Restore to restore the backup with a new name. 3. If you have your file synched to an AMT, ensure you elect to synch the new restored file to the AMT. (note, this will break the sync between the old file and the AMT but that is OK.) 4. The restored file will be open. 5. Exit FTM and restart. It should open the restored file without any problems. 6. Check out the file. 7. You can then delete the old file. 8. If you want the new restored file to have the same name as the original file, you can use FTM to Rename the file. This will update all of the links to the media files using the proper folder and file name. If after all this, you are still experiencing the same problem with the file, the only other thing I can suggest is to: 1. Use FTM to create a New file. 2. When creating the new file, input only one individual using a name which is not in your original file. 3. With the newly created file open, Click File Merge. 4. Select your old file and complete the merge. This causes FTM to bring all individuals and information from the old file into the new file. 5. The newly merged file will be open. At this point you can select the "fictitious name" and delete it from the file. 6. Exit FTM and Restart FTM. 7. Using FTM, you can delete the old file and Rename the newly merged file using the original file name. 8. Unfortunately, using this technique will require you to upload the file to a new AMT file. Before uploading the new AMT, I would go online and delete the old AMT. You don't want an old tree sitting around and never being updated. Let us know the results. BJ On 5/14/2015 9:35 AM, Mike Thacker via wrote: > I have over the last few weeks been experiencing a problem > on start-up with FTM 2014 version 22.0.0.1345 run on a Win 7 O/s with 16 Gb > memory. On start-up it states. " FTM was not closed properly the last time > it was used You may need to compact your last opened file to resolve any > issues caused by an improper shutdown. To compact the file choose the > Compact File from the tools menu" > I have been in the habit of closing FTM in the past by just clicking > the close X in the top right of the screen, but on reading further > instructions I now close using the File - Exit command in the top left hand > tool bar. This does not seem to have cured the issue either even after > compacting the file before closing down I still get this recurring fault on > start-up, from memory I think this started about the same time as the last > major upgrade or the last update. Any help or useful suggestions would be > most appreciated.

The extended family chart for one John D -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Mayrose via Sent: Saturday, 9 May 2015 10:48 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] Tree Showing Ancestors Each w/Two Spouses I am using FTM 2014. I have two married ancestors who were married twice. Is there a family tree chart that will show all four spouses and their children? Thanks much. Bill ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am using FTM 2014. I have two married ancestors who were married twice. Is there a family tree chart that will show all four spouses and their children? Thanks much. Bill