One thing I forgot. The version on the App Store has different build numbers from the disk based version. If I remember correctly someone asked Ancestry about this, but beyond saying the two programs were different they wouldn't comment. Two things you can :- The App Store version was update as recently as May and is the third version. The disk based version was months back and the first update since the original. Only those running Snow Leopard and Lion can access the App Store. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 1:04 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM for Mac vs FTM for PC Hi Dorothy By coincidence there was a post in Eastmans Newsletter about the FTM for Mac It may be of interest http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/07/family-tree-maker-for-mac-2011-review.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > I am about to make some computer changes. I am currently running FTM v. > l6 on the XP side of my > partitioned Mac, desktop. I will be buying a laptop and considering where > I want to keep my > genealogy files. I would greatly appreciate some > comments/opinion/experience regarding FTM v16, > most current version of FTM, and FTM for Mac. As you can see I have three > possibilities: keep v > 16 on both computers, upgrade to newest PC version of FTM, or move to FTM > for Mac. > > I'd be grateful for any comments to help me make this decision. > > Thanks, > Dorothy ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

BJ, That page is *very* outdated although it does explain how things used to work some years ago. You can tell just how outdated it is because it calls OneWorldTree a new search engine and also because it mentions uploading directly to Ancestry World Tree. It does not explain how things work now. OneWorldTree hasn't been updated in years and at present the only way to get something into Ancestry World Tree is to upload it to Rootsweb's WorldConnect Project. -----Original Message----- From: BJ <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: ftm-tech <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 9:43 am Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry's Official Answer about Rootsweb-AncestryWorld Tree Searches Before anyone starts throwing accusations, let me be clear. I am not an employee of Ancestry.com and I have no affiliation with them other than using FTM. So that being said: Here is what Rootsweb Help says. RootsWeb is an internet service owned and supported free of charge by Ancestry.com. If you click on the link below, you will be taken to their Help page which states that OneWorldTree is a search engine in other words performs searches similar to Goggle except they are tailored toward genealogy data bases. It is not a data base. It goes on to explain the relationship between Ancesrty World Tree and WorldConnect. This should explain why the data is beginning to be found in both search engines. http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/owt.html *Are WorldConnect Project trees included in OneWorldTree?* They are not included in the current preview version of OneWorldTree (OWT), but will be included in the future. Ancestry World Tree and World Connect are actually one database. Trees uploaded to either site will be included in OWT in the future. The way I interpret this: Trees may be entered either through Ancestry.com or Rootsweb but regardless of which entry path is taken, they are both stored in one genealogical data base. In an effort to provide the maximum research connections to their members (Ancestry.com subscribers and Rootsweb members), the respective search engines will find the trees submitted though either entry vehicle. What this means is that the trees are available to Ancestry.com subscribers as well as RootsWeb members. BJ On 7/31/2011 5:12 AM, Randy wrote: > Well @#$%! I have uploaded my entire 20 year One Name Study to > WorldConnect Tree where I don't allow gedcom downloads. It's a One Name > Study...not every XXXX family cluster has a provable common male (or > female) link to another XXXX family. If someone needs something, they > can contact me and I will provide a gedcom of their particular line. > > I have also uploaded to Ancestry.com, my KNOWN direct ancestors as one > KNOWN family cluster, headed by a man named Hardy. > > The former all-in-one file is well researched, but sometimes > speculative, and I have invited corrections and additions. The latter is > well researched and proven. > > I wanted to keep them separate for obvious reasons. Now, thanks to > Courtney, I find my entire One Name Study on AWT, a mirror image of my > file at WorldConnect Tree!, fully down loadable. NOT my original intention! > > Even if I delete the file at WorldConnect Tree, I suppose it will always > remain on Ancestry's AWT. I don't remember seeing a caveat at > WorldConnect Tree that my file would show up at AWT. I disappointed and > just a little angry. > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I have an iPhone and it would be wonderful to have my file loaded on it so that I could take only my phone while doing research. I do NOT have an ancestry subscription nor do I have my file uploaded to Ancestry (and will not.....don't get me started on why). Are there any other apps which are decent that will allow you to load a gedcom and view a pre-existing file? In my household, we have an iPhone 4 and an Android based Motorola Atrix 4G. For the Android phone I carry, I found GedStar Pro Genealogy Viewer which requires the purchase of a Windows conversion program. It is made by GHCS Software. ghcssoftware.com is their website. This apparently used to run on Palm OS. Their web site shows the following. Although you can not edit data on your Android device, we think that GedStar Pro has many other features that are unmatched by competing products, including: Direct import of data from The Master Genealogist and Legacy Family Tree. Import of GEDCOM files to support all other genealogy programs. Display of photos (including those linked from GEDCOM files). No known limitations on the amount of data that can be handled (other than the space available on your SD card!). Selectable options on what data to include, as well as limiting the length of text. Support for your To-Do List or Research Log (Legacy and Master Genealogist only). Several ways to navigate from person to person (and back!).

The same GEDCOM test that fails in FTM Mac (and succeeds in Reunion on the same computer) also succeeds on my Windows machine importing to Legacy. (had to do all the Windows security updates, and did a Legacy upgrade too). ==================== Windows 7 Premium Service Pack 1 Compaq Presario CQ60 Notebook PC Processor: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 900@ 2.20 GHz 2.19 GHZ RAM: 2.00 GB System Type: 64 bit Operating System ==================== Legacy 7.5.0.105 Deluxe Analyzed before input ~ 1-2 minutes Start the import: Importing Individuals 2 min 21,303 5 min 54,871 9 min 98,767 12 min 125,880 Importing Families 13 min 6,374 16 min 35,435 17 min 45,632 18 min Complete Individuals: 129,107 Families: 50,985 Sources: 0 =================== This machine does have 2 GB RAM. But since Reunion can import it on the same machine just fine, it seems that FTM Mac needs to rewrite their import code (at a minimum) to be more efficient with memory. I will be documenting all this and submitting it as a bug to them. Perhaps comparing them to their competitors, and doing it publicly on my web site, and posting to news groups, will spur them to fix it. Then again... John

Randy, Researchers will grab the information they want whether or not you allow a gedcom download. I know it's upsetting. Your best option is to update that file every time you find information to support or refute what you have found. That way you at least have done your part to the best of your ability. There is also room to add disclaimers such as work in progress, that you welcome corrections and additions, etc. when you upload at RootsWeb WorldConnect. -----Original Message----- From: Randy Sent: Sunday, 31 July, 2011 6:12 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry's Official Answer about Roootsweb-AncestryWorld Tree Searches > From: "Courtney"<sitnah@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry's Official Answer about > Roootsweb-AncestryWorld Tree Searches. > Seems John Baccus is wrong on part also. > > I did NOT upload my tree to Ancestry, yet there it is in the search > results > under AWT. > > Go to this website > > http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aquarius2 > > Click on my name to the left of my email address - guess what page it > takes > you to? > > https://myaccount.rootsweb.com/publicprofile?mn=aquarius3 Well @#$%! I have uploaded my entire 20 year One Name Study to WorldConnect Tree where I don't allow gedcom downloads. It's a One Name Study...not every XXXX family cluster has a provable common male (or female) link to another XXXX family. If someone needs something, they can contact me and I will provide a gedcom of their particular line. I have also uploaded to Ancestry.com, my KNOWN direct ancestors as one KNOWN family cluster, headed by a man named Hardy. The former all-in-one file is well researched, but sometimes speculative, and I have invited corrections and additions. The latter is well researched and proven. I wanted to keep them separate for obvious reasons. Now, thanks to Courtney, I find my entire One Name Study on AWT, a mirror image of my file at WorldConnect Tree!, fully down loadable. NOT my original intention! Even if I delete the file at WorldConnect Tree, I suppose it will always remain on Ancestry's AWT. I don't remember seeing a caveat at WorldConnect Tree that my file would show up at AWT. I disappointed and just a little angry. Randy O'Guin

It may be old but that doesn't mean it doesn't contain valid information about the relationship between WorldConnect and Ancestry World Tree. The point is people were complaining about inputting their trees in WorldConnect and thinking Ancestry.com was stealing their data. It is all one data base one has subscribers and the other has free membership. Just be happy that the data is there. Ancestry World Tree has also stopped accepting new trees. The free trees can be input using a free Ancestry Member account and searching is free. BJ On 7/31/2011 12:39 PM, aghatchett3rd@aim.com wrote: > BJ, > > That page is *very* outdated although it does explain how things used to work some years ago. > You can tell just how outdated it is because it calls OneWorldTree a new search engine and also because it mentions uploading directly to Ancestry World Tree. > > It does not explain how things work now. > OneWorldTree hasn't been updated in years and at present the only way to get something into Ancestry World Tree is to upload it to Rootsweb's WorldConnect Project. >

Hi Dorothy By coincidence there was a post in Eastmans Newsletter about the FTM for Mac It may be of interest http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2011/07/family-tree-maker-for-mac-2011-review.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > I am about to make some computer changes. I am currently running FTM v. l6 on the XP side of my > partitioned Mac, desktop. I will be buying a laptop and considering where I want to keep my > genealogy files. I would greatly appreciate some comments/opinion/experience regarding FTM v16, > most current version of FTM, and FTM for Mac. As you can see I have three possibilities: keep v > 16 on both computers, upgrade to newest PC version of FTM, or move to FTM for Mac. > > I'd be grateful for any comments to help me make this decision. > > Thanks, > Dorothy

Tony, So 1 GB is not enough memory for the memory management that FTM Mac does, but IS ENOUGH memory for Reunion to do the same task on the very same machine. A valuable data point (lesson)for the writers of FTM Mac. I will be reporting it, along with the fact that (at least some of) their competitors don't have the problem. John On 7/31/2011 12:28 PM, Anthony Knight wrote: > John > > So I am now in Lion on my MBP which has a 2.4GHZ i5 processor and 8GB of > memory > > I have ready on my desktop a gedcom two months old and weighing in at 47mb. > > FTMM is up and running and I have started loading my gedcom. > > FTMM reports it has 103118 individuals 38840 families, 11429 sources and > 569669 records. > > Processor usage is running at 100% with 10 threads. Real Memory usage at 69% > saved to database is 2.19GB and as it finishes it drops back to 1.94GB. > Total 11.44 minutes. I have to own up to forgetting that it is the Windows > versions which have the problem with time for loading. My iPhone App which > was developed with my database takes about 12 minutes or so > > I repeat my feeling that your machine is simply not in FTM terms up to the > task. To paraphrase an Irish comic, "it's the way it processes them" > > Tony > > > On 31/07/2011 16:19, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> On 7/31/2011 2:24 AM, Anthony Knight wrote: >>> John >>> >>> And there we have one of the mysteries of FTM. Its gedcom import facility is >>> very poor compared to other programs. What takes minutes on others takes >>> hours on FTM. I would guestimate between one and two hours for the one you >>> have used. >> >> I watched the CPU use of both processors via a tool bar activity >> monitor. When it reached 73% the activity essentially stopped. Just >> background normal 0-3% like levels of normal activity, none likely >> from FTM. (hmm, I could do a UNIX "top" and see where the CPU is >> really going, UNIX is at the core of Mac OS X and one of its most >> attractive features for me!). Are you saying it was actually probably >> still crawling along with less than about 1% CPU usage shown? >> >> I am firing up my Windows machine which has a version of Legacy and >> Cognatio to test the GEDCOM import. When I changed hardware I think >> I never bothered to install TMG or FTM Windows (not current versions). >> Maybe I'll try firing up my next oldest Windows machine where I think >> the old versions still live on just to see if they have this GEDCOM >> import problem. >> >> I have gotten the owner of the GEDCOM's permission to file a bug report >> with Ancestry. I'll continue to gather what more data I can, and then >> see how to best do that. >> >> I will be adding a new column to my personal list of required features >> for a genealogy program at: >> >> http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/software/ >> >> "100k GEDCOM Import". So far: >> FTM Mac = Failure >> Reunion = "*****" >> Legacy = unknown but will be known in a few hours >> >> John >> >>> In this instance and limiting your consideration to FTMM I think you will >>> find that the spec on your machine is the problem. My FTMM file was created >>> from a RootsMagic 4 gedcom which whilst it only had 94000 or so people at >>> the time was well over 40MB >>> >>> My comment about Mono is based on comments by my programmer son. Here though >>> is a description from the mono-project.com website. It is an integral part >>> of the program and you will see that its use is acknowledged in the >>> Acknowledgements (Help Menu). The latest version of Mono if integrated into >>> the program may solve the problem. >>> >>> >>> Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily create >>> cross platform applications. Sponsored by Xamarin, Mono is an open source >>> implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards for >>> C# and the Common Language Runtime A growing family of solutions and an >>> active and enthusiastic contributing community is helping position Mono to >>> become the leading choice for development of Linux applications. >>> >>> Depending on your view of the potential quality of what is said, you will >>> find an article in Wikipedia. >>> >>> If you want to see a similar problem try running Furefox for a while opening >>> and closing tabs frequently whilst having Activity Monitor running. You >>> should see the program grabbing more and more memory >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31/07/2011 04:11, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: >>> >>>> One kind person made available to me their own GEDCOM file for >>>> testing purposes (not to be distributed, and I'll even keep >>>> their identity secret unless they want to speak up). >>>> >>>> In short, it failed import into FTM Mac, but not Reunion (Mac). >>>> >>>> The gory details are below. >>>> >>>> I'll be in touch with the file owner to see if and how we can >>>> log a bug report with Ancestry/FTM Mac. A concrete failure >>>> example is worth 1000 failure descriptions. ;-) >>>> >>>> -John >>>> >>>> 30 Jul 2011 >>>> ============= >>>> Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 >>>> OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 >>>> Hardware: >>>> Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo >>>> Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM >>>> ============= >>>> GEDCOM file supplied with over 100,000 people: 25.5 MB >>>> >>>> Attempted import to FTM Mac: >>>> >>>> About 25 seconds Analyzing file... >>>> Processing Records: >>>> 2 min 25% >>>> 4 min 57% (at about 100,000 people) >>>> 5 min 74% now in families >>>> >>>> 129,107 individuals >>>> 50,985 families >>>> 0 errors >>>> >>>> 6 min saving to database >>>> 7 min 15% complete >>>> 8 min 23% >>>> 9 min 38% >>>> 10 min 57% >>>> 11 min 73% >>>> 12 min 73% >>>> 13 min 73% >>>> ... >>>> 16 min 73% >>>> 23 min 73% >>>> hit cancel, it did quit and removed the .ftmd file >>>> FAILED! >>>> ============= >>>> Try to import the GEDCOM to Reunion (Mac) >>>> Program: Reunion 9.0c 1988-2009 >>>> same Mac hardware as above >>>> >>>> Analyze: >>>> 129,107 people >>>> 50,985 families >>>> >>>> 4 min ~ 1/3 done >>>> 6 min ~ 1/2 done >>>> 9 min ~ 90% done >>>> 10 min linking >>>> 11 min ~ 50% linking >>>> 12 min ~ 75% linking >>>> 14 min ~ 90% linking >>>> 15 min 100% and done (even writing file) >>>> SUCCESS! >>>> >>>> the .familyfile is 46.3 MB >>>> >>>> ============= >>>> Next did a successful GEDCOM export from the successful import of the >>>> file into Reunion >>>> >>>> GEDCOM 29.1 MB >>>> ============= >>>> Attempted to import this newly written GEDCOM to FTM Mac: >>>> >>>> 2 min 23% >>>> 5 min 50% >>>> 5 min 30 sec (106,500 people) >>>> 6 min 63% >>>> 8 min 95% >>>> 9 min saving to database >>>> >>>> 129,107 people >>>> 50,983 families >>>> >>>> 11 min 41% complete >>>> 13 min 68% complete >>>> 14 min 73% complete >>>> >>>> 17 min 73% complete >>>> canceled it FAILED! >>>> ============= >>>> So FTM Mac stops at writing the database file at 73% in both cases! >>>> ============= >>>> >>>> On 7/30/2011 5:25 PM, John Yates wrote: >>>>> Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at least >>>>> 100,000 people? >>>>> >>>>> If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. >>>>> >>>> >>>> ********************************** >>>> List information page >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>>> >>>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>>> Version 16 and earlier >>>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>>> >>>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ********************************** >>> List information page >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>> >>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>> Version 16 and earlier >>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >> Version 16 and earlier >> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> Version 2008 - 2011 >> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Processor usage is running at 100% with 10 threads. Real Memory usage at >69% saved to database is 2.19GB and as it finishes it drops back to 1.94GB. Total 11.44 minutes. I have to own up to forgetting that it is the Windows versions which have the problem with time for loading. My iPhone App which was developed with my database takes about 12 minutes or so I repeat my feeling that your machine is simply not in FTM terms up to the task. To paraphrase an Irish comic, "it's the way it processes them" Like you, I wondered if an older Macbook with a single Meg of RAM could perform the task at hand. It will be of interest to me, and to John Yates no doubt, as to whether or not your MBP with 8GB can complete the tasks running FTM for Mac! John Okerson Memphis, Tennessee

I am playing with someone else's I-pad logged into my computer using GoToMyPc. Some quick thoughts so I can get others opinions before making decision to buy one The I-Pad seems excellent for moving around FTM 2011 to double check data but not great for working What others think? thanks Brian in SoCal -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Yates Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:49 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM for Mac vs FTM for PC The same GEDCOM test that fails in FTM Mac (and succeeds in Reunion on the same computer) also succeeds on my Windows machine importing to Legacy. (had to do all the Windows security updates, and did a Legacy upgrade too). ==================== Windows 7 Premium Service Pack 1 Compaq Presario CQ60 Notebook PC Processor: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 900@ 2.20 GHz 2.19 GHZ RAM: 2.00 GB System Type: 64 bit Operating System ==================== Legacy 7.5.0.105 Deluxe Analyzed before input ~ 1-2 minutes Start the import: Importing Individuals 2 min 21,303 5 min 54,871 9 min 98,767 12 min 125,880 Importing Families 13 min 6,374 16 min 35,435 17 min 45,632 18 min Complete Individuals: 129,107 Families: 50,985 Sources: 0 =================== This machine does have 2 GB RAM. But since Reunion can import it on the same machine just fine, it seems that FTM Mac needs to rewrite their import code (at a minimum) to be more efficient with memory. I will be documenting all this and submitting it as a bug to them. Perhaps comparing them to their competitors, and doing it publicly on my web site, and posting to news groups, will spur them to fix it. Then again... John ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony, On 7/31/2011 2:24 AM, Anthony Knight wrote: > John > > And there we have one of the mysteries of FTM. Its gedcom import facility is > very poor compared to other programs. What takes minutes on others takes > hours on FTM. I would guestimate between one and two hours for the one you > have used. I watched the CPU use of both processors via a tool bar activity monitor. When it reached 73% the activity essentially stopped. Just background normal 0-3% like levels of normal activity, none likely from FTM. (hmm, I could do a UNIX "top" and see where the CPU is really going, UNIX is at the core of Mac OS X and one of its most attractive features for me!). Are you saying it was actually probably still crawling along with less than about 1% CPU usage shown? I am firing up my Windows machine which has a version of Legacy and Cognatio to test the GEDCOM import. When I changed hardware I think I never bothered to install TMG or FTM Windows (not current versions). Maybe I'll try firing up my next oldest Windows machine where I think the old versions still live on just to see if they have this GEDCOM import problem. I have gotten the owner of the GEDCOM's permission to file a bug report with Ancestry. I'll continue to gather what more data I can, and then see how to best do that. I will be adding a new column to my personal list of required features for a genealogy program at: http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/software/ "100k GEDCOM Import". So far: FTM Mac = Failure Reunion = "*****" Legacy = unknown but will be known in a few hours John > In this instance and limiting your consideration to FTMM I think you will > find that the spec on your machine is the problem. My FTMM file was created > from a RootsMagic 4 gedcom which whilst it only had 94000 or so people at > the time was well over 40MB > > My comment about Mono is based on comments by my programmer son. Here though > is a description from the mono-project.com website. It is an integral part > of the program and you will see that its use is acknowledged in the > Acknowledgements (Help Menu). The latest version of Mono if integrated into > the program may solve the problem. > > > Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily create > cross platform applications. Sponsored by Xamarin, Mono is an open source > implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards for > C# and the Common Language Runtime A growing family of solutions and an > active and enthusiastic contributing community is helping position Mono to > become the leading choice for development of Linux applications. > > Depending on your view of the potential quality of what is said, you will > find an article in Wikipedia. > > If you want to see a similar problem try running Furefox for a while opening > and closing tabs frequently whilst having Activity Monitor running. You > should see the program grabbing more and more memory > > Tony > > > > On 31/07/2011 04:11, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > >> One kind person made available to me their own GEDCOM file for >> testing purposes (not to be distributed, and I'll even keep >> their identity secret unless they want to speak up). >> >> In short, it failed import into FTM Mac, but not Reunion (Mac). >> >> The gory details are below. >> >> I'll be in touch with the file owner to see if and how we can >> log a bug report with Ancestry/FTM Mac. A concrete failure >> example is worth 1000 failure descriptions. ;-) >> >> -John >> >> 30 Jul 2011 >> ============= >> Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 >> OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 >> Hardware: >> Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo >> Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM >> ============= >> GEDCOM file supplied with over 100,000 people: 25.5 MB >> >> Attempted import to FTM Mac: >> >> About 25 seconds Analyzing file... >> Processing Records: >> 2 min 25% >> 4 min 57% (at about 100,000 people) >> 5 min 74% now in families >> >> 129,107 individuals >> 50,985 families >> 0 errors >> >> 6 min saving to database >> 7 min 15% complete >> 8 min 23% >> 9 min 38% >> 10 min 57% >> 11 min 73% >> 12 min 73% >> 13 min 73% >> ... >> 16 min 73% >> 23 min 73% >> hit cancel, it did quit and removed the .ftmd file >> FAILED! >> ============= >> Try to import the GEDCOM to Reunion (Mac) >> Program: Reunion 9.0c 1988-2009 >> same Mac hardware as above >> >> Analyze: >> 129,107 people >> 50,985 families >> >> 4 min ~ 1/3 done >> 6 min ~ 1/2 done >> 9 min ~ 90% done >> 10 min linking >> 11 min ~ 50% linking >> 12 min ~ 75% linking >> 14 min ~ 90% linking >> 15 min 100% and done (even writing file) >> SUCCESS! >> >> the .familyfile is 46.3 MB >> >> ============= >> Next did a successful GEDCOM export from the successful import of the >> file into Reunion >> >> GEDCOM 29.1 MB >> ============= >> Attempted to import this newly written GEDCOM to FTM Mac: >> >> 2 min 23% >> 5 min 50% >> 5 min 30 sec (106,500 people) >> 6 min 63% >> 8 min 95% >> 9 min saving to database >> >> 129,107 people >> 50,983 families >> >> 11 min 41% complete >> 13 min 68% complete >> 14 min 73% complete >> >> 17 min 73% complete >> canceled it FAILED! >> ============= >> So FTM Mac stops at writing the database file at 73% in both cases! >> ============= >> >> On 7/30/2011 5:25 PM, John Yates wrote: >>> Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at least >>> 100,000 people? >>> >>> If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. >>> >> >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >> Version 16 and earlier >> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> Version 2008 - 2011 >> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anything in the works concerning making Family Tree Maker available to Android tablets such as the Motorola Xoom? Thanks, Tom Herson Ithaca, NY

IIRC, there used to be an easy way within FTM to calculate the number of intermarriages within a specific file. I thought there were a pair of numbers displayed after running some feature under Tools. Could SKS illuminate me, please? I am running FTM 16 under Windows 7 Professional 64 bit. John Okerson Memphis, TN

> From: "Courtney"<sitnah@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry's Official Answer about > Roootsweb-AncestryWorld Tree Searches. > Seems John Baccus is wrong on part also. > > I did NOT upload my tree to Ancestry, yet there it is in the search results > under AWT. > > Go to this website > > http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aquarius2 > > Click on my name to the left of my email address - guess what page it takes > you to? > > https://myaccount.rootsweb.com/publicprofile?mn=aquarius3 Well @#$%! I have uploaded my entire 20 year One Name Study to WorldConnect Tree where I don't allow gedcom downloads. It's a One Name Study...not every XXXX family cluster has a provable common male (or female) link to another XXXX family. If someone needs something, they can contact me and I will provide a gedcom of their particular line. I have also uploaded to Ancestry.com, my KNOWN direct ancestors as one KNOWN family cluster, headed by a man named Hardy. The former all-in-one file is well researched, but sometimes speculative, and I have invited corrections and additions. The latter is well researched and proven. I wanted to keep them separate for obvious reasons. Now, thanks to Courtney, I find my entire One Name Study on AWT, a mirror image of my file at WorldConnect Tree!, fully down loadable. NOT my original intention! Even if I delete the file at WorldConnect Tree, I suppose it will always remain on Ancestry's AWT. I don't remember seeing a caveat at WorldConnect Tree that my file would show up at AWT. I disappointed and just a little angry. Randy O'Guin

Before anyone starts throwing accusations, let me be clear. I am not an employee of Ancestry.com and I have no affiliation with them other than using FTM. So that being said: Here is what Rootsweb Help says. RootsWeb is an internet service owned and supported free of charge by Ancestry.com. If you click on the link below, you will be taken to their Help page which states that OneWorldTree is a search engine in other words performs searches similar to Goggle except they are tailored toward genealogy data bases. It is not a data base. It goes on to explain the relationship between Ancesrty World Tree and WorldConnect. This should explain why the data is beginning to be found in both search engines. http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/owt.html *Are WorldConnect Project trees included in OneWorldTree?* They are not included in the current preview version of OneWorldTree (OWT), but will be included in the future. Ancestry World Tree and World Connect are actually one database. Trees uploaded to either site will be included in OWT in the future. The way I interpret this: Trees may be entered either through Ancestry.com or Rootsweb but regardless of which entry path is taken, they are both stored in one genealogical data base. In an effort to provide the maximum research connections to their members (Ancestry.com subscribers and Rootsweb members), the respective search engines will find the trees submitted though either entry vehicle. What this means is that the trees are available to Ancestry.com subscribers as well as RootsWeb members. BJ On 7/31/2011 5:12 AM, Randy wrote: > Well @#$%! I have uploaded my entire 20 year One Name Study to > WorldConnect Tree where I don't allow gedcom downloads. It's a One Name > Study...not every XXXX family cluster has a provable common male (or > female) link to another XXXX family. If someone needs something, they > can contact me and I will provide a gedcom of their particular line. > > I have also uploaded to Ancestry.com, my KNOWN direct ancestors as one > KNOWN family cluster, headed by a man named Hardy. > > The former all-in-one file is well researched, but sometimes > speculative, and I have invited corrections and additions. The latter is > well researched and proven. > > I wanted to keep them separate for obvious reasons. Now, thanks to > Courtney, I find my entire One Name Study on AWT, a mirror image of my > file at WorldConnect Tree!, fully down loadable. NOT my original intention! > > Even if I delete the file at WorldConnect Tree, I suppose it will always > remain on Ancestry's AWT. I don't remember seeing a caveat at > WorldConnect Tree that my file would show up at AWT. I disappointed and > just a little angry. >

John And there we have one of the mysteries of FTM. Its gedcom import facility is very poor compared to other programs. What takes minutes on others takes hours on FTM. I would guestimate between one and two hours for the one you have used. In this instance and limiting your consideration to FTMM I think you will find that the spec on your machine is the problem. My FTMM file was created from a RootsMagic 4 gedcom which whilst it only had 94000 or so people at the time was well over 40MB My comment about Mono is based on comments by my programmer son. Here though is a description from the mono-project.com website. It is an integral part of the program and you will see that its use is acknowledged in the Acknowledgements (Help Menu). The latest version of Mono if integrated into the program may solve the problem. Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily create cross platform applications. Sponsored by Xamarin, Mono is an open source implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards for C# and the Common Language Runtime A growing family of solutions and an active and enthusiastic contributing community is helping position Mono to become the leading choice for development of Linux applications. Depending on your view of the potential quality of what is said, you will find an article in Wikipedia. If you want to see a similar problem try running Furefox for a while opening and closing tabs frequently whilst having Activity Monitor running. You should see the program grabbing more and more memory Tony On 31/07/2011 04:11, "John Yates" <john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > One kind person made available to me their own GEDCOM file for > testing purposes (not to be distributed, and I'll even keep > their identity secret unless they want to speak up). > > In short, it failed import into FTM Mac, but not Reunion (Mac). > > The gory details are below. > > I'll be in touch with the file owner to see if and how we can > log a bug report with Ancestry/FTM Mac. A concrete failure > example is worth 1000 failure descriptions. ;-) > > -John > > 30 Jul 2011 > ============= > Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 > OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 > Hardware: > Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo > Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM > ============= > GEDCOM file supplied with over 100,000 people: 25.5 MB > > Attempted import to FTM Mac: > > About 25 seconds Analyzing file... > Processing Records: > 2 min 25% > 4 min 57% (at about 100,000 people) > 5 min 74% now in families > > 129,107 individuals > 50,985 families > 0 errors > > 6 min saving to database > 7 min 15% complete > 8 min 23% > 9 min 38% > 10 min 57% > 11 min 73% > 12 min 73% > 13 min 73% > ... > 16 min 73% > 23 min 73% > hit cancel, it did quit and removed the .ftmd file > FAILED! > ============= > Try to import the GEDCOM to Reunion (Mac) > Program: Reunion 9.0c 1988-2009 > same Mac hardware as above > > Analyze: > 129,107 people > 50,985 families > > 4 min ~ 1/3 done > 6 min ~ 1/2 done > 9 min ~ 90% done > 10 min linking > 11 min ~ 50% linking > 12 min ~ 75% linking > 14 min ~ 90% linking > 15 min 100% and done (even writing file) > SUCCESS! > > the .familyfile is 46.3 MB > > ============= > Next did a successful GEDCOM export from the successful import of the > file into Reunion > > GEDCOM 29.1 MB > ============= > Attempted to import this newly written GEDCOM to FTM Mac: > > 2 min 23% > 5 min 50% > 5 min 30 sec (106,500 people) > 6 min 63% > 8 min 95% > 9 min saving to database > > 129,107 people > 50,983 families > > 11 min 41% complete > 13 min 68% complete > 14 min 73% complete > > 17 min 73% complete > canceled it FAILED! > ============= > So FTM Mac stops at writing the database file at 73% in both cases! > ============= > > On 7/30/2011 5:25 PM, John Yates wrote: >> Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at least >> 100,000 people? >> >> If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. >> > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Randy, There you go ! Just one correction - it can't be download from Ancestry except by you. You are only seeing the link because you are the owner. If you want me to confirm that, send me the link to the main page of the tree & I will make sure I can't download it. Courtney sitnah@cox.net -------------------------------------------------- From: "Randy" <ranny9@cox.net> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:12 AM To: <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry's Official Answer about Roootsweb-AncestryWorld Tree Searches > > >> From: "Courtney"<sitnah@cox.net> >> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry's Official Answer about >> Roootsweb-AncestryWorld Tree Searches. > >> Seems John Baccus is wrong on part also. >> >> I did NOT upload my tree to Ancestry, yet there it is in the search >> results >> under AWT. >> >> Go to this website >> >> http://awt.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=aquarius2 >> >> Click on my name to the left of my email address - guess what page it >> takes >> you to? >> >> https://myaccount.rootsweb.com/publicprofile?mn=aquarius3 > > Well @#$%! I have uploaded my entire 20 year One Name Study to > WorldConnect Tree where I don't allow gedcom downloads. It's a One Name > Study...not every XXXX family cluster has a provable common male (or > female) link to another XXXX family. If someone needs something, they > can contact me and I will provide a gedcom of their particular line. > > I have also uploaded to Ancestry.com, my KNOWN direct ancestors as one > KNOWN family cluster, headed by a man named Hardy. > > The former all-in-one file is well researched, but sometimes > speculative, and I have invited corrections and additions. The latter is > well researched and proven. > > I wanted to keep them separate for obvious reasons. Now, thanks to > Courtney, I find my entire One Name Study on AWT, a mirror image of my > file at WorldConnect Tree!, fully down loadable. NOT my original > intention! > > Even if I delete the file at WorldConnect Tree, I suppose it will always > remain on Ancestry's AWT. I don't remember seeing a caveat at > WorldConnect Tree that my file would show up at AWT. I disappointed and > just a little angry. > > Randy O'Guin > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One kind person made available to me their own GEDCOM file for testing purposes (not to be distributed, and I'll even keep their identity secret unless they want to speak up). In short, it failed import into FTM Mac, but not Reunion (Mac). The gory details are below. I'll be in touch with the file owner to see if and how we can log a bug report with Ancestry/FTM Mac. A concrete failure example is worth 1000 failure descriptions. ;-) -John 30 Jul 2011 ============= Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 Hardware: Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM ============= GEDCOM file supplied with over 100,000 people: 25.5 MB Attempted import to FTM Mac: About 25 seconds Analyzing file... Processing Records: 2 min 25% 4 min 57% (at about 100,000 people) 5 min 74% now in families 129,107 individuals 50,985 families 0 errors 6 min saving to database 7 min 15% complete 8 min 23% 9 min 38% 10 min 57% 11 min 73% 12 min 73% 13 min 73% ... 16 min 73% 23 min 73% hit cancel, it did quit and removed the .ftmd file FAILED! ============= Try to import the GEDCOM to Reunion (Mac) Program: Reunion 9.0c 1988-2009 same Mac hardware as above Analyze: 129,107 people 50,985 families 4 min ~ 1/3 done 6 min ~ 1/2 done 9 min ~ 90% done 10 min linking 11 min ~ 50% linking 12 min ~ 75% linking 14 min ~ 90% linking 15 min 100% and done (even writing file) SUCCESS! the .familyfile is 46.3 MB ============= Next did a successful GEDCOM export from the successful import of the file into Reunion GEDCOM 29.1 MB ============= Attempted to import this newly written GEDCOM to FTM Mac: 2 min 23% 5 min 50% 5 min 30 sec (106,500 people) 6 min 63% 8 min 95% 9 min saving to database 129,107 people 50,983 families 11 min 41% complete 13 min 68% complete 14 min 73% complete 17 min 73% complete canceled it FAILED! ============= So FTM Mac stops at writing the database file at 73% in both cases! ============= On 7/30/2011 5:25 PM, John Yates wrote: > Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at least > 100,000 people? > > If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. >

John I have two Macs an iMac 27" and a 15" MacBook Pro. Both 2010 models with 8gb of memory running at the time I dumped FTM for Mac Snow Leopard. As I am in Windows I cannot access the spec, but they were the basic entry level machines for their screen size. Mono is an Open Licence emulator which allows Macs to run the .Net environment in which FTM written. The Windows version of FTM is written by a company called Avanquest and another company (I don't know whether they are connected) based in Boston, Mass, but basically operating from the Ukraine produced the Mac version. It is claimed to have been written from the bottom up, but some people have suggested that it was simply ported across and tweaked as necessary. It is interesting that a program which can only run on 64 bit capable machines is 32 bit. There has been a size problem with the Windows version of FTM for years. It is in fact getting worse and may be experienced by people with as few as 15000 individuals now. It is a problem that is not experienced by people who use the main other programs. For instance my database is fine in RootsMagic4. It is hard to say whether size is the problem with the Mac version because of the memory management problem. Many of the problems are not present in the Windows version. 1. Search/Filter dialogue box takes 4 minutes to come up. Fine in Windows. 2. Can't compact file. Fine in Windows. 3. Can't export a FTM or gedcom file. Fine in Windows. 4. Can't set spouse order. Fine in Windows.. 5. Can only resolve a place in Manage Places. Fine in Windows. 6. From Manage Places can only move to a linked individual once in a session. Fine in Windows. 7. Program says places like Los Angeles, California, USA are wrong. Attempt to resolve it from the list offered, select Los Angeles, California, USA and it changes your place to Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, USA. Fine in Windows. 8. Can't merge a gedcom, can only append new individuals. Fine in Windows. Others have reported multiple listing of children, but only one in the index. Delete one and they all go. Mutiplying of images and so on and so on. Problems have been reported with as few as a few hundred individuals. Read the Message Board for details of peoples experiences. The problems were reported direct to the Development Manager back in November last year. The only problem that has been fixed is that you can now import Gedcom 5.5.1. Unfortunately if I try to import one with isn't 5.5 or 5.5.1 the program crashes. At this point it seems likely that any bug fixing will only be available to purchasers of the latest version due out later this year, although it seems that the App Store version might have addressed some merging problems which the disk based one hasn't. Unfortunately information leaks more readily from the Pentagon than it does from Ancestry. If you read my post again you will see that I was very careful in the words I used. Each individual's experience will be different. The question that you need to ask is the wisdom of using an element with memory management issues in a database program. Tony -----Original Message----- From: John Yates Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 3:45 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM for Mac vs FTM for PC I run FTM Mac and have not experienced any problem like this. In fact, Ancestry paid an external professional company to convert their code base to Mac OS and I have been incredibly impressed how well they have done. I have never experienced a crash, or even found a feature that doesn't work. I am highly critical of ALL genealogy software vendors (those that pay attention to my posts know that), but I have to give Ancestry an A+ for this conversion based on my experience. I'd like to hear other people's experience with Mac FTM. I'd not make a decision based on a single data point, mine included. But I have no complaints about the performance of FTM Mac. Features, yes!!! When discussing program problems, it is important to note carefully the program version, hardware, and OS versions. Bugs are highly dependent on such things, and can also be the result of your hardware beginning to fail, and even other issues local only to your computer. Here are the specs for my running FTM Mac: Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 Hardware: Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM (this is one of the early 13" white MacBooks. It still runs great) Largest family file has been only about 1500 people, but I've created several dozen other smaller files with it. Anthony, could you enlighten us on your specs where you see problems? (I'm sure Ancestry and the conversion company would like to know this also). Did you report it to Ancestry? It could be due simply to the 100,000 persons size of your file. But if so, I doubt very many people have anywhere near that many in their file, and never will. And since FTM Mac is only about 6 months old, such problems will be discovered and fixed long before I ever reach anywhere near that number in any of the trees I work with. Which is why you should be sure to report it to Ancestry. Also, I don't know what "Mono" is or does. I have not encountered it explicitly. Anyone know anything about it? John On 7/30/2011 1:21 AM, Anthony Knight wrote: > I moved from PC to Mac last year and when it became available I installed > FTM for Mac. > > As a starting point it contains a component Mono which has a serious > memory > management problem. It simply grabs more and more memory and refuses to > release it. Depending on the size of your file it and what you are doing I > found you could run out of memory in a few minutes. I had to put another > 4GB > of memory into both my Macs simply to have enough to run other programs at > the same time. > > There are are in excess of 10 major bugs some of which are related to > memory > problems/file size. With my 100,000 individuals and 400MB file size it > takes > 4 minutes for the filter dialogue box to come up for instance. The FTMM > data > file size is in any event significantly larger than than its Windows > equivalent. > > Like the Windows version peoples' experiences vary and the only way to > know > how it behaves for you is to try it. I had to dump it, and am now running > FTM2009 under Bootcamp on my Macs. Although not without problems this > seems > almost usable with Windows 7 64 bit and the Mac hardware. I tried the two > later versions but they were no good. > > Tony > > > > > On 30/07/2011 00:56, "Dorothy Petraitis"<dorothykp@comcast.net> wrote: > >> >> I am about to make some computer changes. I am currently running FTM v. >> l6 on >> the XP side of my partitioned Mac, desktop. I will be buying a laptop >> and >> considering where I want to keep my genealogy files. I would greatly >> appreciate some comments/opinion/experience regarding FTM v16, most >> current >> version of FTM, and FTM for Mac. As you can see I have three >> possibilities: >> keep v 16 on both computers, upgrade to newest PC version of FTM, or move >> to >> FTM for Mac. >> >> I'd be grateful for any comments to help me make this decision. >> >> Thanks, >> Dorothy >> >> >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >> Version 16 and earlier >> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> Version 2008 - 2011 >> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony, On 7/30/2011 1:16 PM, Tony Knight wrote: > John > > I have two Macs an iMac 27" and a 15" MacBook Pro. Both 2010 models with 8gb > of memory running at the time I dumped FTM for Mac Snow Leopard. As I am in > Windows I cannot access the spec, but they were the basic entry level > machines for their screen size. > > Mono is an Open Licence emulator which allows Macs to run the .Net > environment in which FTM written. The Windows version of FTM is written by a I'm a little confused. Is Mono involved if one runs FTM Mac natively on Mac OS X? I think not. I'll be very disappointed in the port to Mac if that is true. Anyway, my interest is in whether the FTM Mac (native version) has issues. Those that choose emulation software are not relevant to the questions I'm interested in. Those emulators have bugs, and do their own memory management, and for those reasons and more, I avoid emulations, including Boot Camp, like the plague. Most or all require a Windows license anyway (from a legal point of view), and you are vulnerable to all the viruses, etc. that are only on Windows because of its design. I bought a $350 Windows notebook to do my Windows (natively) and essentially I don't do much Windows any more at all. > company called Avanquest and another company (I don't know whether they are > connected) based in Boston, Mass, but basically operating from the Ukraine > produced the Mac version. It is claimed to have been written from the bottom > up, but some people have suggested that it was simply ported across and > tweaked as necessary. It is interesting that a program which can only run on > 64 bit capable machines is 32 bit. > > There has been a size problem with the Windows version of FTM for years. It > is in fact getting worse and may be experienced by people with as few as > 15000 individuals now. It is a problem that is not experienced by people who > use the main other programs. For instance my database is fine in > RootsMagic4. > > It is hard to say whether size is the problem with the Mac version because > of the memory management problem. Many of the problems are not present in > the Windows version. The list below is concerning. But I think I want to make an independent evaluation of behavior on my own machine. Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at least 100,000 people? If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. Then a test you might do, if I find no problems, would be to test out the exact GEDCOM test data that I used. If I find the same problems, no such test would be required. John > 1. Search/Filter dialogue box takes 4 minutes to come up. Fine in Windows. > > 2. Can't compact file. Fine in Windows. > > 3. Can't export a FTM or gedcom file. Fine in Windows. > > 4. Can't set spouse order. Fine in Windows.. > > 5. Can only resolve a place in Manage Places. Fine in Windows. > > 6. From Manage Places can only move to a linked individual once in a > session. Fine in Windows. > > 7. Program says places like Los Angeles, California, USA are wrong. Attempt > to resolve it from the list offered, select Los Angeles, California, USA and > it changes your place to Los Angeles, Los Angeles, California, USA. Fine in > Windows. > > 8. Can't merge a gedcom, can only append new individuals. Fine in Windows. > > Others have reported multiple listing of children, but only one in the > index. Delete one and they all go. Mutiplying of images and so on and so on. > Problems have been reported with as few as a few hundred individuals. Read > the Message Board for details of peoples experiences. > > The problems were reported direct to the Development Manager back in > November last year. The only problem that has been fixed is that you can now > import Gedcom 5.5.1. Unfortunately if I try to import one with isn't 5.5 or > 5.5.1 the program crashes. At this point it seems likely that any bug fixing > will only be available to purchasers of the latest version due out later > this year, although it seems that the App Store version might have addressed > some merging problems which the disk based one hasn't. Unfortunately > information leaks more readily from the Pentagon than it does from Ancestry. > > If you read my post again you will see that I was very careful in the words > I used. Each individual's experience will be different. The question that > you need to ask is the wisdom of using an element with memory management > issues in a database program. > > Tony