Ole, you log in on your iDevice using your Ancestry.com User ID and Password. It then links you with as many trees as you have uploaded. It will also link with trees that others have shared with you. I love using it. It's great for traveling to libraries, etc. All your data is at your fingertips, including your sources. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ole P. Bielefeldt Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 11:09 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry.com app for iPhone and iPad Ancestry are promoting their app for these units, but how do one connect to an allready existing tree at Ancestry.com? There should not be a need of typing in 5.500 individuals names and facts and photos once again - or? Ole P. Bielefeldt +45 86 89 09 09 +45 40 54 09 09 Ry, Denmark FTM: www.familytreemaker.dk FTM FAQ: http://stegemueller.dk/faq ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I like this app very much. Edits made on the phone are uploaded to Ancestry. I didn't mention it when this question was first asked because the person asking didn't want to upload any data to Ancestry. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mark CARROLL Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 1:13 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry.com app for iPhone and iPad Ole, It accesses your online tree at Ancestry.com, and downloads it to your device. It takes forever to load my tree - I just tested it with my new tree, uploaded to Ancestry.com last week. Almost a half hour to download 9200 people, then another almost hour of "processing" before it's ready to use. I'm not sure if that's "normal", or just my tree. (I just tested with a much smaller tree (273 people), and the loading and processing zipped along.) The nice thing is the app syncs with your online tree when you open it. I never update my tree on Ancestry.com - I work in FTM and upload a brand-new tree periodically - but I can see how, for someone who does work directly in an online tree, that would be an excellent feature. Once it's loaded, the app's got a pretty cool user interface, easy to navigate, with sources available at a tap of your finger. Best, Mark -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ole P. Bielefeldt Sent: Monday, 01 August, 2011 17:09 To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] Ancestry.com app for iPhone and iPad Ancestry are promoting their app for these units, but how do one connect to an allready existing tree at Ancestry.com? There should not be a need of typing in 5.500 individuals names and facts and photos once again - or? Ole P. Bielefeldt +45 86 89 09 09 +45 40 54 09 09 Ry, Denmark FTM: www.familytreemaker.dk FTM FAQ: http://stegemueller.dk/faq ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, in my request for help on the SAR applications I forgot to list my system info. Windows 7 Home Prem. FTM 2011 latest upgrade included. 6 gb Ram. I have the top membership in Ancestry with worldwide access. Thanks, Ken -------Original Message------- From: Brian Winn Date: 07/31/11 21:10:48 To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2011 and SAR applications I got excited about the SAR applications that recently showed up on Ancestry. After initially figuring that they were not allowing printing, I Thought that maybe someone out there had figured out a way to either store Or print the applications? Help? Brian in So Cal ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have had some problems with the SAR Application as source documents. Normally when you click on the leaf and the source document turned out to be an SAR Application, You can click on that item and in the lower right of the screen will come a list of people with dates etc. What I get is note stating an error has occurred and I should try again. Well, this happens every time with every SAR application source document. And I cannot merge any info or even list this SAR as a source in my tree. I can hi light the document, copy and paste it over to WORD, print it out and save it. But I still cannot use it as a source document due to this error notification. Is anyone else having a problem with the SAR applications? Ken -------Original Message------- From: Brian Winn Date: 07/31/11 21:10:48 To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2011 and SAR applications I got excited about the SAR applications that recently showed up on Ancestry. After initially figuring that they were not allowing printing, I Thought that maybe someone out there had figured out a way to either store Or print the applications? Help? Brian in So Cal

1. SAR doesn't show up in that little window in the bottom right because of the restrictions in the agreement with Ancestry and SAR 2. You can't merge SAR for the same reasons as above. 3. If you double click on the listing in the top window, you go to Ancestry.com and can see the source listing. Still can't merge or download. But you can copy and paste the source information listed by Ancestry as a source in FTM. 4. Be suspicious of using SAR as a Primary source document. It isn't, and some of the information is flat wrong. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ken_t_1967@comcast.net Sent: Monday, August 01, 2011 8:35 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2011 and SAR applications I have had some problems with the SAR Application as source documents. Normally when you click on the leaf and the source document turned out to be an SAR Application, You can click on that item and in the lower right of the screen will come a list of people with dates etc. What I get is note stating an error has occurred and I should try again. Well, this happens every time with every SAR application source document. And I cannot merge any info or even list this SAR as a source in my tree. I can hi light the document, copy and paste it over to WORD, print it out and save it. But I still cannot use it as a source document due to this error notification. Is anyone else having a problem with the SAR applications? Ken -------Original Message------- From: Brian Winn Date: 07/31/11 21:10:48 To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2011 and SAR applications I got excited about the SAR applications that recently showed up on Ancestry. After initially figuring that they were not allowing printing, I Thought that maybe someone out there had figured out a way to either store Or print the applications? Help? Brian in So Cal ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Treat SAR apps as good suggestions for areas for future research. It is not documentation Brian Winn Sent from my iPhone On Aug 1, 2011, at 6:35 AM, "ken_t_1967@comcast.net" <ken_t_1967@comcast.net> wrote: > I have had some problems with the SAR Application as source documents. > Normally when you click on the leaf and the source document turned out to be > an SAR Application, You can click on that item and in the lower right of the > screen will come a list of people with dates etc. What I get is note stating > an error has occurred and I should try again. Well, this happens every time > with every SAR application source document. And I cannot merge any info or > even list this SAR as a source in my tree. > I can hi light the document, copy and paste it over to WORD, print it out > and save it. But I still cannot use it as a source document due to this > error notification. > Is anyone else having a problem with the SAR applications? > Ken > > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: Brian Winn > Date: 07/31/11 21:10:48 > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2011 and SAR applications > > I got excited about the SAR applications that recently showed up on > Ancestry. After initially figuring that they were not allowing printing, I > Thought that maybe someone out there had figured out a way to either store > Or print the applications? > > Help? > > Brian in So Cal > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Brian, Here is what I've been doing on Mac OS X. Ancestry.com -> Military Collection -> Search and when have a "hit" it brings up an Ancestry summary page. I save this page to a file first by: Print(in the browser) -> PDF -> Save as PDF Just name the file and it goes to disk. Then click on View Original Image This takes you to the first image of your successful search which is usually two pages of an application. Right Click (Ctrl-Click on a Mac) -> Save Image As and name it in the pop up box and it saves it as a jpg file. Then, to the right of GO there are left and right navigation arrows. Click on the Right arrow to take you to the next image page in the collection. This will likely be the remaining two pages of the same application. Then Right Click -> Save Image (as above). That should be a complete application. But click on the Right arrow once again and you should see the next application. Sometimes it will be another SAR Application for the SAME Patriot. If it is, grab this and the next image (4 pages), and see if there may be another one after it. The saved jpg's seem to be small files. But the first pdf may be over 1 MB. If so, on my Mac, I open the pdf with Preview (the default app for this usually), and this program allows one to save a file as gif, jpg, pdf, tif, png and a couple others. Save it as a jpg and a box pops up with a slide bar for quality. Feel free to drag it far to the left (it tells you the size of the file you will be saving as you slide the bar) and save it. (no need to keep it over 1 MB. Usually 200 to 400 kB is fine for printing and reading. If you want, keep the original 1 MB pdf around in case you need the resolution to read illegible handwriting. I'm sure all this can be done on Windows. But perhaps not so easily and maybe not with built in OS components as on the Mac. I love Mac OS X! John On 7/31/2011 9:09 PM, Brian Winn wrote: > I got excited about the SAR applications that recently showed up on > Ancestry. After initially figuring that they were not allowing printing, I > thought that maybe someone out there had figured out a way to either store > or print the applications? > > Help? > > Brian in So Cal > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Patti, I can now tell you, from a fresh experience trying to upload to Shrubs, that it won't accept any Gedcom larger than 4096 KB. The other two programs -- FamViewer and GedView -- uploaded just fine. There is a newer app that I haven't yet tried -- MobileFamilyTree Pro, which also accepts a Gedcom as input (the regular MobileFamilyTree app, in contrast, requires MacFamilyTree on a Mac computer). And another newer app that I haven't tried yet is called MyKinFolks; it also allows import from a Gedcom. So I can personally vouch for both FamViewer and GedView at this time. MobileFamilyTree Pro and/or MyKinFolks may also be worth considering. -- Mary On 7/31/2011 10:33 PM, Mary D. Taffet wrote: > Patti, > > I've tried several of the ones available. > > I currently have FamViewer, Gedview, and Shrubs (in addition to the > Ancestry app). > > I've never really gotten any use out of Shrubs, because if I recall > correctly, it won't accept a Gedcom as large as mine, but I don't recall > whether the limit was on the number of people, or the number of bytes. > > Looking at the screens, I think I've probably used FamViewer more often > than GedView. > > One thing I don't like about any of the ones I've used so far is that > they all require Gedcom's. I used to use a Palm device, and really loved > GedStar Pro, which could directly import from FTM. I'd love to be able > to have that same functionality for the iPhone, but it was based on the > GenBridge technology created by Wholly Genes, which I gather is not > compatible with the Apple devices. > > I once contacted the creator of GedStar Pro to ask him if he'd ever > considered making that program compatible with the iPhone. He told me > that he was no longer making any further developments on GedStar Pro at > all (it was a hobby which he had moved away from), and had no plans to > port it to the iPhone. > > I'm getting ready to refresh the data in both FamViewer and GedView, so > will write back if I encounter any snags. > > I should probably mention that I'm still using FTM Version 16. > > -- Mary > > > On 7/31/2011 3:51 PM, Patricia Olsson wrote: >> While we are talking about other programs, >> >> I have an iPhone and it would be wonderful to have my file loaded on >> it so >> that I could take only my phone while doing research. I do NOT have an >> ancestry subscription nor do I have my file uploaded to Ancestry (and >> will >> not.....don't get me started on why). >> >> Are there any other apps which are decent that will allow you to load a >> gedcom and view a pre-existing file? >> >> Patti

Patti, I've tried several of the ones available. I currently have FamViewer, Gedview, and Shrubs (in addition to the Ancestry app). I've never really gotten any use out of Shrubs, because if I recall correctly, it won't accept a Gedcom as large as mine, but I don't recall whether the limit was on the number of people, or the number of bytes. Looking at the screens, I think I've probably used FamViewer more often than GedView. One thing I don't like about any of the ones I've used so far is that they all require Gedcom's. I used to use a Palm device, and really loved GedStar Pro, which could directly import from FTM. I'd love to be able to have that same functionality for the iPhone, but it was based on the GenBridge technology created by Wholly Genes, which I gather is not compatible with the Apple devices. I once contacted the creator of GedStar Pro to ask him if he'd ever considered making that program compatible with the iPhone. He told me that he was no longer making any further developments on GedStar Pro at all (it was a hobby which he had moved away from), and had no plans to port it to the iPhone. I'm getting ready to refresh the data in both FamViewer and GedView, so will write back if I encounter any snags. I should probably mention that I'm still using FTM Version 16. -- Mary On 7/31/2011 3:51 PM, Patricia Olsson wrote: > While we are talking about other programs, > > I have an iPhone and it would be wonderful to have my file loaded on it so > that I could take only my phone while doing research. I do NOT have an > ancestry subscription nor do I have my file uploaded to Ancestry (and will > not.....don't get me started on why). > > Are there any other apps which are decent that will allow you to load a > gedcom and view a pre-existing file? > > Patti

thanks... will play with it ... but probably not until next weekend Brian -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of John Yates Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:41 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2011 and SAR applications Brian, Here is what I've been doing on Mac OS X. Ancestry.com -> Military Collection -> Search and when have a "hit" it brings up an Ancestry summary page. I save this page to a file first by: Print(in the browser) -> PDF -> Save as PDF Just name the file and it goes to disk. Then click on View Original Image This takes you to the first image of your successful search which is usually two pages of an application. Right Click (Ctrl-Click on a Mac) -> Save Image As and name it in the pop up box and it saves it as a jpg file. Then, to the right of GO there are left and right navigation arrows. Click on the Right arrow to take you to the next image page in the collection. This will likely be the remaining two pages of the same application. Then Right Click -> Save Image (as above). That should be a complete application. But click on the Right arrow once again and you should see the next application. Sometimes it will be another SAR Application for the SAME Patriot. If it is, grab this and the next image (4 pages), and see if there may be another one after it. The saved jpg's seem to be small files. But the first pdf may be over 1 MB. If so, on my Mac, I open the pdf with Preview (the default app for this usually), and this program allows one to save a file as gif, jpg, pdf, tif, png and a couple others. Save it as a jpg and a box pops up with a slide bar for quality. Feel free to drag it far to the left (it tells you the size of the file you will be saving as you slide the bar) and save it. (no need to keep it over 1 MB. Usually 200 to 400 kB is fine for printing and reading. If you want, keep the original 1 MB pdf around in case you need the resolution to read illegible handwriting. I'm sure all this can be done on Windows. But perhaps not so easily and maybe not with built in OS components as on the Mac. I love Mac OS X! John On 7/31/2011 9:09 PM, Brian Winn wrote: > I got excited about the SAR applications that recently showed up on > Ancestry. After initially figuring that they were not allowing printing, I > thought that maybe someone out there had figured out a way to either store > or print the applications? > > Help? > > Brian in So Cal > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> I once contacted the creator of GedStar Pro to ask him if he'd ever considered making that program compatible with the iPhone. He told me that he was no longer making any further developments on GedStar Pro at all (it was a hobby which he had moved away from), and had no plans to port it to the iPhone. There is an Android version of GedStar Pro now!

I have to agree as well. Oddly enough, this is the app that I was looking at and considering. Thanks all for the info! Patti -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Okerson Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 6:28 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Gen programs for smart phones >I have to declare an interest as my son wrote it, but have a look at >GedView. Looks like a fine product from the web pages and responses to support questions. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any thing preventing you from doind screen captures and then printing those? -----Original Message----- From: Brian Winn <brian_winn@winnlawgroup.com> To: ftm-tech <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Jul 31, 2011 8:13 pm Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2011 and SAR applications I got excited about the SAR applications that recently showed up on Ancestry. After initially figuring that they were not allowing printing, I thought that maybe someone out there had figured out a way to either store or print the applications? Help? Brian in So Cal

I have to declare an interest as my son wrote it, but have a look at GedView. It was built using my gedcom as a test board when the individuals totalled 72000 or there abouts Tony -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Olsson Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 8:51 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] Gen programs for smart phones While we are talking about other programs, I have an iPhone and it would be wonderful to have my file loaded on it so that I could take only my phone while doing research. I do NOT have an ancestry subscription nor do I have my file uploaded to Ancestry (and will not.....don't get me started on why). Are there any other apps which are decent that will allow you to load a gedcom and view a pre-existing file? Patti ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John Yes, that is how it goes. Ancestry are well aware that their program, will feature rich, is performance poor. Never mind the quality, feel the width as a British comedy series was titled. Tony -----Original Message----- From: John Yates Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 5:41 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM for Mac vs FTM for PC Tony, So 1 GB is not enough memory for the memory management that FTM Mac does, but IS ENOUGH memory for Reunion to do the same task on the very same machine. A valuable data point (lesson)for the writers of FTM Mac. I will be reporting it, along with the fact that (at least some of) their competitors don't have the problem. John On 7/31/2011 12:28 PM, Anthony Knight wrote: > John > > So I am now in Lion on my MBP which has a 2.4GHZ i5 processor and 8GB of > memory > > I have ready on my desktop a gedcom two months old and weighing in at > 47mb. > > FTMM is up and running and I have started loading my gedcom. > > FTMM reports it has 103118 individuals 38840 families, 11429 sources and > 569669 records. > > Processor usage is running at 100% with 10 threads. Real Memory usage at > 69% > saved to database is 2.19GB and as it finishes it drops back to 1.94GB. > Total 11.44 minutes. I have to own up to forgetting that it is the Windows > versions which have the problem with time for loading. My iPhone App which > was developed with my database takes about 12 minutes or so > > I repeat my feeling that your machine is simply not in FTM terms up to the > task. To paraphrase an Irish comic, "it's the way it processes them" > > Tony > > > On 31/07/2011 16:19, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > >> Tony, >> >> On 7/31/2011 2:24 AM, Anthony Knight wrote: >>> John >>> >>> And there we have one of the mysteries of FTM. Its gedcom import >>> facility is >>> very poor compared to other programs. What takes minutes on others takes >>> hours on FTM. I would guestimate between one and two hours for the one >>> you >>> have used. >> >> I watched the CPU use of both processors via a tool bar activity >> monitor. When it reached 73% the activity essentially stopped. Just >> background normal 0-3% like levels of normal activity, none likely >> from FTM. (hmm, I could do a UNIX "top" and see where the CPU is >> really going, UNIX is at the core of Mac OS X and one of its most >> attractive features for me!). Are you saying it was actually probably >> still crawling along with less than about 1% CPU usage shown? >> >> I am firing up my Windows machine which has a version of Legacy and >> Cognatio to test the GEDCOM import. When I changed hardware I think >> I never bothered to install TMG or FTM Windows (not current versions). >> Maybe I'll try firing up my next oldest Windows machine where I think >> the old versions still live on just to see if they have this GEDCOM >> import problem. >> >> I have gotten the owner of the GEDCOM's permission to file a bug report >> with Ancestry. I'll continue to gather what more data I can, and then >> see how to best do that. >> >> I will be adding a new column to my personal list of required features >> for a genealogy program at: >> >> http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/software/ >> >> "100k GEDCOM Import". So far: >> FTM Mac = Failure >> Reunion = "*****" >> Legacy = unknown but will be known in a few hours >> >> John >> >>> In this instance and limiting your consideration to FTMM I think you >>> will >>> find that the spec on your machine is the problem. My FTMM file was >>> created >>> from a RootsMagic 4 gedcom which whilst it only had 94000 or so people >>> at >>> the time was well over 40MB >>> >>> My comment about Mono is based on comments by my programmer son. Here >>> though >>> is a description from the mono-project.com website. It is an integral >>> part >>> of the program and you will see that its use is acknowledged in the >>> Acknowledgements (Help Menu). The latest version of Mono if integrated >>> into >>> the program may solve the problem. >>> >>> >>> Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily >>> create >>> cross platform applications. Sponsored by Xamarin, Mono is an open >>> source >>> implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards >>> for >>> C# and the Common Language Runtime A growing family of solutions and an >>> active and enthusiastic contributing community is helping position Mono >>> to >>> become the leading choice for development of Linux applications. >>> >>> Depending on your view of the potential quality of what is said, you >>> will >>> find an article in Wikipedia. >>> >>> If you want to see a similar problem try running Furefox for a while >>> opening >>> and closing tabs frequently whilst having Activity Monitor running. You >>> should see the program grabbing more and more memory >>> >>> Tony >>> >>> >>> >>> On 31/07/2011 04:11, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: >>> >>>> One kind person made available to me their own GEDCOM file for >>>> testing purposes (not to be distributed, and I'll even keep >>>> their identity secret unless they want to speak up). >>>> >>>> In short, it failed import into FTM Mac, but not Reunion (Mac). >>>> >>>> The gory details are below. >>>> >>>> I'll be in touch with the file owner to see if and how we can >>>> log a bug report with Ancestry/FTM Mac. A concrete failure >>>> example is worth 1000 failure descriptions. ;-) >>>> >>>> -John >>>> >>>> 30 Jul 2011 >>>> ============= >>>> Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 >>>> OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 >>>> Hardware: >>>> Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo >>>> Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM >>>> ============= >>>> GEDCOM file supplied with over 100,000 people: 25.5 MB >>>> >>>> Attempted import to FTM Mac: >>>> >>>> About 25 seconds Analyzing file... >>>> Processing Records: >>>> 2 min 25% >>>> 4 min 57% (at about 100,000 people) >>>> 5 min 74% now in families >>>> >>>> 129,107 individuals >>>> 50,985 families >>>> 0 errors >>>> >>>> 6 min saving to database >>>> 7 min 15% complete >>>> 8 min 23% >>>> 9 min 38% >>>> 10 min 57% >>>> 11 min 73% >>>> 12 min 73% >>>> 13 min 73% >>>> ... >>>> 16 min 73% >>>> 23 min 73% >>>> hit cancel, it did quit and removed the .ftmd file >>>> FAILED! >>>> ============= >>>> Try to import the GEDCOM to Reunion (Mac) >>>> Program: Reunion 9.0c 1988-2009 >>>> same Mac hardware as above >>>> >>>> Analyze: >>>> 129,107 people >>>> 50,985 families >>>> >>>> 4 min ~ 1/3 done >>>> 6 min ~ 1/2 done >>>> 9 min ~ 90% done >>>> 10 min linking >>>> 11 min ~ 50% linking >>>> 12 min ~ 75% linking >>>> 14 min ~ 90% linking >>>> 15 min 100% and done (even writing file) >>>> SUCCESS! >>>> >>>> the .familyfile is 46.3 MB >>>> >>>> ============= >>>> Next did a successful GEDCOM export from the successful import of the >>>> file into Reunion >>>> >>>> GEDCOM 29.1 MB >>>> ============= >>>> Attempted to import this newly written GEDCOM to FTM Mac: >>>> >>>> 2 min 23% >>>> 5 min 50% >>>> 5 min 30 sec (106,500 people) >>>> 6 min 63% >>>> 8 min 95% >>>> 9 min saving to database >>>> >>>> 129,107 people >>>> 50,983 families >>>> >>>> 11 min 41% complete >>>> 13 min 68% complete >>>> 14 min 73% complete >>>> >>>> 17 min 73% complete >>>> canceled it FAILED! >>>> ============= >>>> So FTM Mac stops at writing the database file at 73% in both cases! >>>> ============= >>>> >>>> On 7/30/2011 5:25 PM, John Yates wrote: >>>>> Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at >>>>> least >>>>> 100,000 people? >>>>> >>>>> If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. >>>>> >>>> >>>> ********************************** >>>> List information page >>>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>>> >>>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>>> Version 16 and earlier >>>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>>> >>>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ********************************** >>> List information page >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>> >>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>> Version 16 and earlier >>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >> Version 16 and earlier >> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> Version 2008 - 2011 >> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I got excited about the SAR applications that recently showed up on Ancestry. After initially figuring that they were not allowing printing, I thought that maybe someone out there had figured out a way to either store or print the applications? Help? Brian in So Cal

John So I am now in Lion on my MBP which has a 2.4GHZ i5 processor and 8GB of memory I have ready on my desktop a gedcom two months old and weighing in at 47mb. FTMM is up and running and I have started loading my gedcom. FTMM reports it has 103118 individuals 38840 families, 11429 sources and 569669 records. Processor usage is running at 100% with 10 threads. Real Memory usage at 69% saved to database is 2.19GB and as it finishes it drops back to 1.94GB. Total 11.44 minutes. I have to own up to forgetting that it is the Windows versions which have the problem with time for loading. My iPhone App which was developed with my database takes about 12 minutes or so I repeat my feeling that your machine is simply not in FTM terms up to the task. To paraphrase an Irish comic, "it's the way it processes them" Tony On 31/07/2011 16:19, "John Yates" <john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: > Tony, > > On 7/31/2011 2:24 AM, Anthony Knight wrote: >> John >> >> And there we have one of the mysteries of FTM. Its gedcom import facility is >> very poor compared to other programs. What takes minutes on others takes >> hours on FTM. I would guestimate between one and two hours for the one you >> have used. > > I watched the CPU use of both processors via a tool bar activity > monitor. When it reached 73% the activity essentially stopped. Just > background normal 0-3% like levels of normal activity, none likely > from FTM. (hmm, I could do a UNIX "top" and see where the CPU is > really going, UNIX is at the core of Mac OS X and one of its most > attractive features for me!). Are you saying it was actually probably > still crawling along with less than about 1% CPU usage shown? > > I am firing up my Windows machine which has a version of Legacy and > Cognatio to test the GEDCOM import. When I changed hardware I think > I never bothered to install TMG or FTM Windows (not current versions). > Maybe I'll try firing up my next oldest Windows machine where I think > the old versions still live on just to see if they have this GEDCOM > import problem. > > I have gotten the owner of the GEDCOM's permission to file a bug report > with Ancestry. I'll continue to gather what more data I can, and then > see how to best do that. > > I will be adding a new column to my personal list of required features > for a genealogy program at: > > http://jytangledweb.org/genealogy/software/ > > "100k GEDCOM Import". So far: > FTM Mac = Failure > Reunion = "*****" > Legacy = unknown but will be known in a few hours > > John > >> In this instance and limiting your consideration to FTMM I think you will >> find that the spec on your machine is the problem. My FTMM file was created >> from a RootsMagic 4 gedcom which whilst it only had 94000 or so people at >> the time was well over 40MB >> >> My comment about Mono is based on comments by my programmer son. Here though >> is a description from the mono-project.com website. It is an integral part >> of the program and you will see that its use is acknowledged in the >> Acknowledgements (Help Menu). The latest version of Mono if integrated into >> the program may solve the problem. >> >> >> Mono is a software platform designed to allow developers to easily create >> cross platform applications. Sponsored by Xamarin, Mono is an open source >> implementation of Microsoft's .NET Framework based on the ECMA standards for >> C# and the Common Language Runtime A growing family of solutions and an >> active and enthusiastic contributing community is helping position Mono to >> become the leading choice for development of Linux applications. >> >> Depending on your view of the potential quality of what is said, you will >> find an article in Wikipedia. >> >> If you want to see a similar problem try running Furefox for a while opening >> and closing tabs frequently whilst having Activity Monitor running. You >> should see the program grabbing more and more memory >> >> Tony >> >> >> >> On 31/07/2011 04:11, "John Yates"<john@jytangledweb.org> wrote: >> >>> One kind person made available to me their own GEDCOM file for >>> testing purposes (not to be distributed, and I'll even keep >>> their identity secret unless they want to speak up). >>> >>> In short, it failed import into FTM Mac, but not Reunion (Mac). >>> >>> The gory details are below. >>> >>> I'll be in touch with the file owner to see if and how we can >>> log a bug report with Ancestry/FTM Mac. A concrete failure >>> example is worth 1000 failure descriptions. ;-) >>> >>> -John >>> >>> 30 Jul 2011 >>> ============= >>> Program: Family Tree Maker 2010 for Mac Version 19.2.1.241 >>> OS: Mac OS X Version 10.6.8 >>> Hardware: >>> Processor: 2 GHz Intel Core Duo >>> Memory: 1 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM >>> ============= >>> GEDCOM file supplied with over 100,000 people: 25.5 MB >>> >>> Attempted import to FTM Mac: >>> >>> About 25 seconds Analyzing file... >>> Processing Records: >>> 2 min 25% >>> 4 min 57% (at about 100,000 people) >>> 5 min 74% now in families >>> >>> 129,107 individuals >>> 50,985 families >>> 0 errors >>> >>> 6 min saving to database >>> 7 min 15% complete >>> 8 min 23% >>> 9 min 38% >>> 10 min 57% >>> 11 min 73% >>> 12 min 73% >>> 13 min 73% >>> ... >>> 16 min 73% >>> 23 min 73% >>> hit cancel, it did quit and removed the .ftmd file >>> FAILED! >>> ============= >>> Try to import the GEDCOM to Reunion (Mac) >>> Program: Reunion 9.0c 1988-2009 >>> same Mac hardware as above >>> >>> Analyze: >>> 129,107 people >>> 50,985 families >>> >>> 4 min ~ 1/3 done >>> 6 min ~ 1/2 done >>> 9 min ~ 90% done >>> 10 min linking >>> 11 min ~ 50% linking >>> 12 min ~ 75% linking >>> 14 min ~ 90% linking >>> 15 min 100% and done (even writing file) >>> SUCCESS! >>> >>> the .familyfile is 46.3 MB >>> >>> ============= >>> Next did a successful GEDCOM export from the successful import of the >>> file into Reunion >>> >>> GEDCOM 29.1 MB >>> ============= >>> Attempted to import this newly written GEDCOM to FTM Mac: >>> >>> 2 min 23% >>> 5 min 50% >>> 5 min 30 sec (106,500 people) >>> 6 min 63% >>> 8 min 95% >>> 9 min saving to database >>> >>> 129,107 people >>> 50,983 families >>> >>> 11 min 41% complete >>> 13 min 68% complete >>> 14 min 73% complete >>> >>> 17 min 73% complete >>> canceled it FAILED! >>> ============= >>> So FTM Mac stops at writing the database file at 73% in both cases! >>> ============= >>> >>> On 7/30/2011 5:25 PM, John Yates wrote: >>>> Does anyone know where I can download a test GEDCOM containing at least >>>> 100,000 people? >>>> >>>> If I get one, I'll try the things below, and report back here. >>>> >>> >>> ********************************** >>> List information page >>> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >>> >>> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >>> Version 16 and earlier >>> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> Version 2008 - 2011 >>> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Online Support for Family Tree Maker >> Version 16 and earlier >> http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> Version 2008 - 2011 >> http://ftm.custhelp.com/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

>I have to declare an interest as my son wrote it, but have a look at >GedView. Looks like a fine product from the web pages and responses to support questions.

a free way to go about this: when visiting a library, I use my I-Phone to look at Drop Box items I have stored there; great for genealogy docs, and I will load particular family reports in RTF. Not sure of any way to view gedcom's on an I-Phone though There have previous discussions on Drop Box that cover this better Brian -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Patricia Olsson Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 12:52 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] Gen programs for smart phones While we are talking about other programs, I have an iPhone and it would be wonderful to have my file loaded on it so that I could take only my phone while doing research. I do NOT have an ancestry subscription nor do I have my file uploaded to Ancestry (and will not.....don't get me started on why). Are there any other apps which are decent that will allow you to load a gedcom and view a pre-existing file? Patti ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

While we are talking about other programs, I have an iPhone and it would be wonderful to have my file loaded on it so that I could take only my phone while doing research. I do NOT have an ancestry subscription nor do I have my file uploaded to Ancestry (and will not.....don't get me started on why). Are there any other apps which are decent that will allow you to load a gedcom and view a pre-existing file? Patti