Forgot to add that I do NOT like the abbreviation Co or Co. for County, nor any known contraction for Parish or Township either. Picky? You bet, and proud of it!

> The Place Name Authority in the "new" series is so easy to work with, that > it doesn't pay or save time to prepare an old file at all. You can put in whatever you want in a location. I have entered the word "County" after every name of a county, e.g. Portage gets a county after it, to distinguish a county from a city. It may be tedious to change the pre-entered name, but you only have to do each one once. So easy? Sounds like the words my friends would like., especially the not having to prepare anything. So a couple of questions since you and I seem to be the only ones active this lovely afternoon. 1) If I have Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee, USA as a 'usage' and another of Memphis, Shelby, Tennessee, USA then just HOW does the PNA resolve which is which and help me choose the one I wish to use??? 2) I have heard of the entries being marked with a page mark and a question mark superimposed upon it. Do they disappear or stay forever? 3) I have heard of something called 'Resolve All Place Names' which has to be run before those 'marked' place names disappear. Any experience with Resolve All Place Names? 4) I have a bit over 130,000 individuals within my files, and guessing about 26,000 place names - just a wag. I know that I have many cases where I have meant to enter the same place, but have it with multiple variants. Does the PNA help me resolve this issue? 5) If I have a place, 'Flatbush, Kings County, New York, USA' as an example will the PNA come up with a variant on its own, hint me towards one it 'accepts', or just what? As for your county choice, is there a way to FORCE the PNA to make that the default? I detest seeing a name like Memphis, Shelby, Tennessee even though I know where it is. On the other hand, like you, without the word County in the place name, Beaufort, North Carolina is ambiguous as to whether one means Beaufort County, North Carolina or Beaufort, Carteret County, North Carolina. Additionally, my personal preference is to NOT employ the additional commas that some folks use such as Beaufort, , North Carolina. Makes NO difference to me what LDS or other standards might accept, I wish to have my database MY way! Sure, this seems like overkill, but it is important to me, and thus to those I assist, at least IMHO. John Okerson Memphis, TN

I do NOT use any location abbreviations. You will find the CO is for Colorado, County and whatever else. Also CA (for California) is has many international meanings. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Okerson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:55 PM To: Jeanne Stanis; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] how to prepare files for use under FTM 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011, so then probably for 2012 also Forgot to add that I do NOT like the abbreviation Co or Co. for County, nor any known contraction for Parish or Township either. Picky? You bet, and proud of it! ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Forget about PNA. Just use what you have always used and ignore any of the flagged errors. The PNA database is based on today's USA postal names and locations. There are many places that do not exist today and the Counties have changed over the years, so the cities and towns may even be in different counties today. Do not use the "resolve All", see above and you will know why. There is no changing of the default. The control is by the source, which is Bing Maps, and ALL Family tree programs that use this have the same issues. It is helpful, when you have a town (city) and a State, but no county, and then you will be able to locate today's county. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Okerson Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:29 PM To: Jeanne Stanis; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] how to prepare files for use under FTM 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011, so then probably for 2012 also > The Place Name Authority in the "new" series is so easy to work with, that > it doesn't pay or save time to prepare an old file at all. You can put in whatever you want in a location. I have entered the word "County" after every name of a county, e.g. Portage gets a county after it, to distinguish a county from a city. It may be tedious to change the pre-entered name, but you only have to do each one once. So easy? Sounds like the words my friends would like., especially the not having to prepare anything. So a couple of questions since you and I seem to be the only ones active this lovely afternoon. 1) If I have Memphis, Shelby County, Tennessee, USA as a 'usage' and another of Memphis, Shelby, Tennessee, USA then just HOW does the PNA resolve which is which and help me choose the one I wish to use??? 2) I have heard of the entries being marked with a page mark and a question mark superimposed upon it. Do they disappear or stay forever? 3) I have heard of something called 'Resolve All Place Names' which has to be run before those 'marked' place names disappear. Any experience with Resolve All Place Names? 4) I have a bit over 130,000 individuals within my files, and guessing about 26,000 place names - just a wag. I know that I have many cases where I have meant to enter the same place, but have it with multiple variants. Does the PNA help me resolve this issue? 5) If I have a place, 'Flatbush, Kings County, New York, USA' as an example will the PNA come up with a variant on its own, hint me towards one it 'accepts', or just what? As for your county choice, is there a way to FORCE the PNA to make that the default? I detest seeing a name like Memphis, Shelby, Tennessee even though I know where it is. On the other hand, like you, without the word County in the place name, Beaufort, North Carolina is ambiguous as to whether one means Beaufort County, North Carolina or Beaufort, Carteret County, North Carolina. Additionally, my personal preference is to NOT employ the additional commas that some folks use such as Beaufort, , North Carolina. Makes NO difference to me what LDS or other standards might accept, I wish to have my database MY way! Sure, this seems like overkill, but it is important to me, and thus to those I assist, at least IMHO. John Okerson Memphis, TN ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Would some kind soul assist me, please? I know how to import a file into the new series of Family Tree Maker, but there are some serious steps to be taken I suspect. I know that the Place Name Authority is in these new versions, and just HOW to prepare a new file to cooperate with the PNA would be appreciated. [Yes, I have 2009 and have avoided doing these steps since before then!] If I overheard correctly, there is some variation is how titles of people are placed too. Likewise named places like ABC Hospital, Neptune, Monmouth County, New Jersey, USA worked about as well as ABC Hospital/Neptune, Monmouth County, New Jersey, USA. Does one need to prepare one's file or is it done "automagically"? Do these newer versions of FTM support dashed lines for non-natural parent-child relationships as FTM 16 does? I have several folks who depend on my advice and intend to upgrade, so whatever suggestions you might have would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. John Okerson Memphis, TN

The Place Name Authority in the "new" series is so easy to work with, that it doesn't pay or save time to prepare an old file at all. You can put in whatever you want in a location.  I have entered the word "County" after every name of a county, e.g.  Portage gets a county after it, to distinguish a county from a city.  It may be tedious to change the pre-entered name, but you only have to do each one once. Don't know about dashed lines, sorry. Jeanne From: John Okerson <johnokerson@gmail.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 1:56 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] how to prepare files for use under FTM 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011, so then probably for 2012 also Would some kind soul assist me, please?  I know how to import a file into the new series of Family Tree Maker, but there are some serious steps to be taken I suspect.  I know that the Place Name Authority is in these new versions, and just HOW to prepare a new file to cooperate with the PNA would be appreciated. [Yes, I have 2009 and have avoided doing these steps since before then!]  If I overheard correctly, there is some variation is how titles of people are placed too.  Likewise named places like ABC Hospital, Neptune, Monmouth County, New Jersey, USA worked about as well as ABC Hospital/Neptune, Monmouth County, New Jersey, USA.  Does one need to prepare one's file or is it done "automagically"?  Do these newer versions of FTM support dashed lines for non-natural parent-child relationships as FTM 16 does? I have several folks who depend on my advice and intend to upgrade, so whatever suggestions you might have would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. John Okerson Memphis, TN ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tony, Thank you for pointing this out. I looked up the rules on the Royal Mail website and you are correct. However, I also found this good news on the HMRC website: "If you order or send purchased goods other than alcohol, tobacco, perfume and toilet water from a country outside the EU then you: don't have to pay Excise Duty; may have to pay Customs Duty on goods with a value that exceeds £135; will have to pay Import VAT on goods with a value that exceeds £18. Note that on all goods from outside the EU, Customs Duty is waived if the amount of duty calculated is £9 or under." £18 = $28 at current exchange rates, so this parcel should be exempt from Customs Duty and VAT. Royal Mail did once add a demand for a handling fee to a letter I received from within the UK, because of some deficiency in the address or postage (I have forgotten the details). Our postie simply popped it through our door without any attempt to collect the fee. One of the advantages of living in a small market town, knowing the postie and making sure she gets a very decent Christmas box! Caroline On 11 September 2011 12:07, Tony Knight <tony@ritter.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Caroline > > If you get caught for VAT won't you then also have to pay a handling fee to > the Post Office which is £8? > > Tony > > -----Original Message----- > From: Caroline Gurney > Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:45 AM > To: beardshaw@tesco.net ; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] version 2012 > > Correction - the first sentence below should read "I bought FTM 2011 > direct from the USA last year". I bought the CD upgrade, not the > Deluxe version. My apologies for the error. > > > On 11 September 2011 02:10, Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@gmail.com> > wrote: >> Haden, >> >> I bought FTM 2011 Deluxe direct from the USA last year. I've just >> checked my bank statement and it cost me $25.68, including postage. >> The exchange rate was $1.49563 = £1, so I paid £17.17. My parcel was >> shipped at the same time as US orders and arrived very promptly. I >> paid no VAT. I had the software two months before it was launched in >> the UK. When it did finally launch in the UK, the cheapest version >> initially available was the Deluxe bundle at over £30. I see that now, >> a year after release, the cheapest price for the CD only upgrade >> version is £20.80 including postage. >> >> I have pre-ordered FTM 2012 from the USA for $19.99 plus $9 postage = >> $28.99 in total. Yesterday my bank gave me an exchange rate of >> $1.55181 = £1 on a transaction in the US. On that basis FTM 2012 will >> cost me £18.68. If I am unlucky and VAT is charged by Customs that >> will only be an additional 20% on $19.99 = $4 = £2.58. >> >> I am highly sceptical that FTM 2012 will be available in the UK at the >> end of this month. There is no mention of it yet on the >> Ancestry.co.uk, Amazon UK or S&N Genealogy websites. My History and >> TWR Computing both offer discounts of up to 30% for pre-orders if you >> sign up to a mailing list. I've been on that mailing list for some >> time now and heard nothing. If they want me to buy from them, I need >> to know *now* how much it will cost and when it will be available. In >> the absence of any such information, I am buying the US bird in the >> hand in preference to the two UK birds in the bush. >> >> Caroline Gurney >> >> Family History Website: www.carosfamily.com >> Family History Blog: cmgurney.blogspot.com >> >> >> >> On 10 September 2011 23:53, Tony Beardshaw <beardshaw@tesco.net> wrote: >>> Caroline and others in the UK >>> >>> I think you may be mistaken in thinking you are buying FTM 2012 cheaper >>> by >>> buying from the US directly. At 32.99 dollars + 9 dollars postage and an >>> exchange rate of 1.5 dollars to the pound (if you are lucky) the price >>> works >>> out at about 22 pounds.  I see that UK companies TWR computing, My >>> History >>> and Genealogy Supplies (S&N) were selling FTM 2011 for under £20 (even >>> when >>> it first came out) and in the case of TWR it is postage free. Notice they >>> will ship in the last week of September.  I understand UK customers will >>> get >>> theirs shipped from the UK companies at the end of September just like >>> the >>> US customers so anyone buying directly from the USA may pay a higher >>> price, >>> delayed delivery and a risk of VAT. Not a good proposition at all, and >>> anyway why not give the UK companies a chance in these difficult times. >>> They >>> are not known for increasing prices year on year so I don’t expect they >>> will >>> be much more expensive than last year if there is any increase at all. I >>> made the mistake of buying from the US a few years ago and didn’t get >>> mine >>> until about three weeks after the US shipments went out. >>> >>> Just one last thought. It's not the exchange rate today that you pay. It >>> will be when they are ready to despatch your goods that the money is >>> taken >>> from your card and the rate on the day they do that might not be so >>> favourable. Even at 1.6 dollars to the pound the price still works out at >>> over 20 pounds if you buy from the USA. >>> >>> Haden >> > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Caroline If you get caught for VAT won't you then also have to pay a handling fee to the Post Office which is £8? Tony -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Gurney Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 11:45 AM To: beardshaw@tesco.net ; ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] version 2012 Correction - the first sentence below should read "I bought FTM 2011 direct from the USA last year". I bought the CD upgrade, not the Deluxe version. My apologies for the error. On 11 September 2011 02:10, Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@gmail.com> wrote: > Haden, > > I bought FTM 2011 Deluxe direct from the USA last year. I've just > checked my bank statement and it cost me $25.68, including postage. > The exchange rate was $1.49563 = £1, so I paid £17.17. My parcel was > shipped at the same time as US orders and arrived very promptly. I > paid no VAT. I had the software two months before it was launched in > the UK. When it did finally launch in the UK, the cheapest version > initially available was the Deluxe bundle at over £30. I see that now, > a year after release, the cheapest price for the CD only upgrade > version is £20.80 including postage. > > I have pre-ordered FTM 2012 from the USA for $19.99 plus $9 postage = > $28.99 in total. Yesterday my bank gave me an exchange rate of > $1.55181 = £1 on a transaction in the US. On that basis FTM 2012 will > cost me £18.68. If I am unlucky and VAT is charged by Customs that > will only be an additional 20% on $19.99 = $4 = £2.58. > > I am highly sceptical that FTM 2012 will be available in the UK at the > end of this month. There is no mention of it yet on the > Ancestry.co.uk, Amazon UK or S&N Genealogy websites. My History and > TWR Computing both offer discounts of up to 30% for pre-orders if you > sign up to a mailing list. I've been on that mailing list for some > time now and heard nothing. If they want me to buy from them, I need > to know *now* how much it will cost and when it will be available. In > the absence of any such information, I am buying the US bird in the > hand in preference to the two UK birds in the bush. > > Caroline Gurney > > Family History Website: www.carosfamily.com > Family History Blog: cmgurney.blogspot.com > > > > On 10 September 2011 23:53, Tony Beardshaw <beardshaw@tesco.net> wrote: >> Caroline and others in the UK >> >> I think you may be mistaken in thinking you are buying FTM 2012 cheaper >> by >> buying from the US directly. At 32.99 dollars + 9 dollars postage and an >> exchange rate of 1.5 dollars to the pound (if you are lucky) the price >> works >> out at about 22 pounds. I see that UK companies TWR computing, My >> History >> and Genealogy Supplies (S&N) were selling FTM 2011 for under £20 (even >> when >> it first came out) and in the case of TWR it is postage free. Notice they >> will ship in the last week of September. I understand UK customers will >> get >> theirs shipped from the UK companies at the end of September just like >> the >> US customers so anyone buying directly from the USA may pay a higher >> price, >> delayed delivery and a risk of VAT. Not a good proposition at all, and >> anyway why not give the UK companies a chance in these difficult times. >> They >> are not known for increasing prices year on year so I don’t expect they >> will >> be much more expensive than last year if there is any increase at all. I >> made the mistake of buying from the US a few years ago and didn’t get >> mine >> until about three weeks after the US shipments went out. >> >> Just one last thought. It's not the exchange rate today that you pay. It >> will be when they are ready to despatch your goods that the money is >> taken >> from your card and the rate on the day they do that might not be so >> favourable. Even at 1.6 dollars to the pound the price still works out at >> over 20 pounds if you buy from the USA. >> >> Haden > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Correction - the first sentence below should read "I bought FTM 2011 direct from the USA last year". I bought the CD upgrade, not the Deluxe version. My apologies for the error. On 11 September 2011 02:10, Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@gmail.com> wrote: > Haden, > > I bought FTM 2011 Deluxe direct from the USA last year. I've just > checked my bank statement and it cost me $25.68, including postage. > The exchange rate was $1.49563 = £1, so I paid £17.17. My parcel was > shipped at the same time as US orders and arrived very promptly. I > paid no VAT. I had the software two months before it was launched in > the UK. When it did finally launch in the UK, the cheapest version > initially available was the Deluxe bundle at over £30. I see that now, > a year after release, the cheapest price for the CD only upgrade > version is £20.80 including postage. > > I have pre-ordered FTM 2012 from the USA for $19.99 plus $9 postage = > $28.99 in total. Yesterday my bank gave me an exchange rate of > $1.55181 = £1 on a transaction in the US. On that basis FTM 2012 will > cost me £18.68. If I am unlucky and VAT is charged by Customs that > will only be an additional 20% on $19.99 = $4 = £2.58. > > I am highly sceptical that FTM 2012 will be available in the UK at the > end of this month. There is no mention of it yet on the > Ancestry.co.uk, Amazon UK or S&N Genealogy websites. My History and > TWR Computing both offer discounts of up to 30% for pre-orders if you > sign up to a mailing list. I've been on that mailing list for some > time now and heard nothing. If they want me to buy from them, I need > to know *now* how much it will cost and when it will be available. In > the absence of any such information, I am buying the US bird in the > hand in preference to the two UK birds in the bush. > > Caroline Gurney > > Family History Website: www.carosfamily.com > Family History Blog: cmgurney.blogspot.com > > > > On 10 September 2011 23:53, Tony Beardshaw <beardshaw@tesco.net> wrote: >> Caroline and others in the UK >> >> I think you may be mistaken in thinking you are buying FTM 2012 cheaper by >> buying from the US directly. At 32.99 dollars + 9 dollars postage and an >> exchange rate of 1.5 dollars to the pound (if you are lucky) the price works >> out at about 22 pounds.  I see that UK companies TWR computing, My History >> and Genealogy Supplies (S&N) were selling FTM 2011 for under £20 (even when >> it first came out) and in the case of TWR it is postage free. Notice they >> will ship in the last week of September.  I understand UK customers will get >> theirs shipped from the UK companies at the end of September just like the >> US customers so anyone buying directly from the USA may pay a higher price, >> delayed delivery and a risk of VAT. Not a good proposition at all, and >> anyway why not give the UK companies a chance in these difficult times. They >> are not known for increasing prices year on year so I don’t expect they will >> be much more expensive than last year if there is any increase at all. I >> made the mistake of buying from the US a few years ago and didn’t get mine >> until about three weeks after the US shipments went out. >> >> Just one last thought. It's not the exchange rate today that you pay. It >> will be when they are ready to despatch your goods that the money is taken >> from your card and the rate on the day they do that might not be so >> favourable. Even at 1.6 dollars to the pound the price still works out at >> over 20 pounds if you buy from the USA. >> >> Haden >

Haden, I bought FTM 2011 Deluxe direct from the USA last year. I've just checked my bank statement and it cost me $25.68, including postage. The exchange rate was $1.49563 = £1, so I paid £17.17. My parcel was shipped at the same time as US orders and arrived very promptly. I paid no VAT. I had the software two months before it was launched in the UK. When it did finally launch in the UK, the cheapest version initially available was the Deluxe bundle at over £30. I see that now, a year after release, the cheapest price for the CD only upgrade version is £20.80 including postage. I have pre-ordered FTM 2012 from the USA for $19.99 plus $9 postage = $28.99 in total. Yesterday my bank gave me an exchange rate of $1.55181 = £1 on a transaction in the US. On that basis FTM 2012 will cost me £18.68. If I am unlucky and VAT is charged by Customs that will only be an additional 20% on $19.99 = $4 = £2.58. I am highly sceptical that FTM 2012 will be available in the UK at the end of this month. There is no mention of it yet on the Ancestry.co.uk, Amazon UK or S&N Genealogy websites. My History and TWR Computing both offer discounts of up to 30% for pre-orders if you sign up to a mailing list. I've been on that mailing list for some time now and heard nothing. If they want me to buy from them, I need to know *now* how much it will cost and when it will be available. In the absence of any such information, I am buying the US bird in the hand in preference to the two UK birds in the bush. Caroline Gurney Family History Website: www.carosfamily.com Family History Blog: cmgurney.blogspot.com On 10 September 2011 23:53, Tony Beardshaw <beardshaw@tesco.net> wrote: > Caroline and others in the UK > > I think you may be mistaken in thinking you are buying FTM 2012 cheaper by > buying from the US directly. At 32.99 dollars + 9 dollars postage and an > exchange rate of 1.5 dollars to the pound (if you are lucky) the price works > out at about 22 pounds.  I see that UK companies TWR computing, My History > and Genealogy Supplies (S&N) were selling FTM 2011 for under £20 (even when > it first came out) and in the case of TWR it is postage free. Notice they > will ship in the last week of September.  I understand UK customers will get > theirs shipped from the UK companies at the end of September just like the > US customers so anyone buying directly from the USA may pay a higher price, > delayed delivery and a risk of VAT. Not a good proposition at all, and > anyway why not give the UK companies a chance in these difficult times. They > are not known for increasing prices year on year so I don’t expect they will > be much more expensive than last year if there is any increase at all. I > made the mistake of buying from the US a few years ago and didn’t get mine > until about three weeks after the US shipments went out. > > Just one last thought. It's not the exchange rate today that you pay. It > will be when they are ready to despatch your goods that the money is taken > from your card and the rate on the day they do that might not be so > favourable. Even at 1.6 dollars to the pound the price still works out at > over 20 pounds if you buy from the USA. > > Haden

Sorry. That should have read 23.99 dollars + 9 dollars postage (so a total of 32.99 dollars for posting FTM 2012 outside the USA) Haden -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Beardshaw Sent: 10 September 2011 23:54 To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] version 2012 Caroline and others in the UK I think you may be mistaken in thinking you are buying FTM 2012 cheaper by buying from the US directly. At 32.99 dollars + 9 dollars postage and an exchange rate of 1.5 dollars to the pound (if you are lucky) the price works out at about 22 pounds. I see that UK companies TWR computing, My History and Genealogy Supplies (S&N) were selling FTM 2011 for under £20 (even when it first came out) and in the case of TWR it is postage free. Notice they will ship in the last week of September. I understand UK customers will get theirs shipped from the UK companies at the end of September just like the US customers so anyone buying directly from the USA may pay a higher price, delayed delivery and a risk of VAT. Not a good proposition at all, and anyway why not give the UK companies a chance in these difficult times. They are not known for increasing prices year on year so I don’t expect they will be much more expensive than last year if there is any increase at all. I made the mistake of buying from the US a few years ago and didn’t get mine until about three weeks after the US shipments went out. Just one last thought. It's not the exchange rate today that you pay. It will be when they are ready to despatch your goods that the money is taken from your card and the rate on the day they do that might not be so favourable. Even at 1.6 dollars to the pound the price still works out at over 20 pounds if you buy from the USA. Haden ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caroline and others in the UK I think you may be mistaken in thinking you are buying FTM 2012 cheaper by buying from the US directly. At 32.99 dollars + 9 dollars postage and an exchange rate of 1.5 dollars to the pound (if you are lucky) the price works out at about 22 pounds. I see that UK companies TWR computing, My History and Genealogy Supplies (S&N) were selling FTM 2011 for under £20 (even when it first came out) and in the case of TWR it is postage free. Notice they will ship in the last week of September. I understand UK customers will get theirs shipped from the UK companies at the end of September just like the US customers so anyone buying directly from the USA may pay a higher price, delayed delivery and a risk of VAT. Not a good proposition at all, and anyway why not give the UK companies a chance in these difficult times. They are not known for increasing prices year on year so I don’t expect they will be much more expensive than last year if there is any increase at all. I made the mistake of buying from the US a few years ago and didn’t get mine until about three weeks after the US shipments went out. Just one last thought. It's not the exchange rate today that you pay. It will be when they are ready to despatch your goods that the money is taken from your card and the rate on the day they do that might not be so favourable. Even at 1.6 dollars to the pound the price still works out at over 20 pounds if you buy from the USA. Haden

Thank you so much for the explanation. I understand it all. That will certainly be a big help. ________________________________ From: BJ <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, September 9, 2011 5:41:06 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] version 2012 I received something.  Not sure it was for a 40% discount.  In the past they have sent marketing messages to a random sampling of users probably to see which works best. Tree sync is the newest feature added to FTM.  It allows a user to link an online tree to a FTM file.  Once the two are linked together, the user may make changes in either tree and have those changes automatically applied to the other tree.  So if you have your FTM 2012 file linked to an online tree, you can access your online tree using a ipad or iphone, make changes to your online tree.  When you return home and start FTM 2012 using the linked file, the changes made to the online tree will be downloaded and applied to your FTM 2012 file.  Likewise any changes you make to your FTM 2012 file will be uploaded and applied to the linked online tree.  So they are available to you when you go to the library and access your online tree. Does that answer your question? BJ On 9/9/2011 2:04 PM, Grace Chapman wrote: > Has anyone else received an email from ancestry with a 40% discount to buy the > 2012 version with tree sync?? (whatever that is)...I just received one today > which is good until september 27. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

They mention a NDA but considering they call it a PUBLIC Beta the consensus among the bloging community is that the NDA isn't worth the pixels it takes to display it onscreen. Even Duff Wilson talked about it in a comment he made on DearMyrtle's blog. -----Original Message----- From: BJ <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: ftm-tech <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 4:22 am Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] version 2012 Unfortunately, you are asking specific questions which can only be answered by someone who has used the program such as a beta tester. If this beta is like others in the past, the testers signed a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) which prohibits them from discussing specific features of the program or even acknowledging they were beta testers until after the product is released. So we may have to wait for some of the specifics about the new program. BJ On 9/10/2011 12:00 AM, Garnet Quigley wrote: > I've completed the pre-order with the 40%discount, so one way or the other I > will be working with FTM 2012, primarily for the anticipated sync > functionality. > > I am gathering from these postings that it is an all or nothing sync, you > can't just select parts of your tree to sync. Is that correct? > > And if so, does anyone know if there is working "privatization" option in > FTM 2012 to prevent those living kin and their attached photos and personal > notes appearing on the AMT? Or would I still have to maintain a private and > non-indexable AMT and create a second FTM/AMT synced tree by exporting a > subset of non-living persons that I can safely share and sync? > > Yes, maybe I do want my cake and eat it too :o) > ********************************** > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This link has been posted in some blogs so you can read about it there. http://boards.ancestry.com/ftmsyncbeta/mb.ashx -----Original Message----- From: Garnet Quigley <garnetquigley@gmail.com> To: ftm-tech <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 10, 2011 2:04 am Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] version 2012 I've completed the pre-order with the 40%discount, so one way or the other I will be working with FTM 2012, primarily for the anticipated sync functionality. I am gathering from these postings that it is an all or nothing sync, you can't just select parts of your tree to sync. Is that correct? And if so, does anyone know if there is working "privatization" option in FTM 2012 to prevent those living kin and their attached photos and personal notes appearing on the AMT? Or would I still have to maintain a private and non-indexable AMT and create a second FTM/AMT synced tree by exporting a subset of non-living persons that I can safely share and sync? Yes, maybe I do want my cake and eat it too :o) ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You can make a copy of a part of your file and upload & Sync that, so no, technically, you don't have to upload your whole tree. This might be a very nice way of searching for info on part of your tree, less overwhelming than putting the whole tree up at once. Since this is a fairly new way of doing things, I don't think I would want to risk my whole file to a "whoops" anyway. When you upload a tree, there are options to make it private or public and also choose to list or don't list in the index You can also invite others to see your tree even if it is private, and choose what access they have. Editor: File editing and viewing rights Contributor: Viewing rights only; can add comments, photos and stories Guest: Viewing rights only; can add comments Only Owners and Editors can view information on Living Individuals in the tree. Only Owners can download their online tree. For all the options, you can check the website Or another way is to create a small tree, upload & link it, then use it to figure out all the options Courtney sitnah@cox.net -------------------------------------------------- From: "Garnet Quigley" <garnetquigley@gmail.com> > I've completed the pre-order with the 40%discount, so one way or the other > I > will be working with FTM 2012, primarily for the anticipated sync > functionality. > > I am gathering from these postings that it is an all or nothing sync, you > can't just select parts of your tree to sync. Is that correct? > > And if so, does anyone know if there is working "privatization" option in > FTM 2012 to prevent those living kin and their attached photos and > personal > notes appearing on the AMT? Or would I still have to maintain a private > and > non-indexable AMT and create a second FTM/AMT synced tree by exporting a > subset of non-living persons that I can safely share and sync? > > Yes, maybe I do want my cake and eat it too :o)

I've completed the pre-order with the 40%discount, so one way or the other I will be working with FTM 2012, primarily for the anticipated sync functionality. I am gathering from these postings that it is an all or nothing sync, you can't just select parts of your tree to sync. Is that correct? And if so, does anyone know if there is working "privatization" option in FTM 2012 to prevent those living kin and their attached photos and personal notes appearing on the AMT? Or would I still have to maintain a private and non-indexable AMT and create a second FTM/AMT synced tree by exporting a subset of non-living persons that I can safely share and sync? Yes, maybe I do want my cake and eat it too :o)

I would agree- IF all info were synced- but it isn't- and therein lies the problem. Those who use AMT and make use of the WebLink feature in the right hand sidebar loose that WebLink when they download to FTM2012, thus when they upload that new FTM tree to a new AMT the new AMT tree does NOT include that Weblink. Whichever way you go something is lost because the other program can't handle it. Thus the trees are always out of sync- even tho a sync is claimed. This is *not* what the general user expected when Eric Shoup promised use that with FTM2012 we would be able to sync our trees. -----Original Message----- From: BJ <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: ftm-tech <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Sep 9, 2011 10:39 pm Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] version 2012 It is true that you cannot link a preexisting online tree with a preexisting FTM file. You must have one which is preexisting and use it to create a new tree which is then linked. In other words, you take an existing FTM 2012 file and upload it to a new online tree and the two are then linked together. Or you can take an existing online tree and download it into a new FTM 2012 file. I submit this is the most efficient way to perform the link. Imagine the amount of processing, reviewing and decision making required of the user to perform the task of ensuring the existing online tree matches the existing FTM file. You would have to review every individual, every fact (date, location, description and note), every source, every source-citation (source title, citation detail, citation text, note, link and media link), every media item including the actual picture, links, notes, caption, file name and media description just to ensure the two were identical. Sorry that would take forever. BJ On 9/9/2011 7:43 PM, aghatchett3rd@aim.com wrote: > The only problem is that, as far as I know, you can *NOT* link a preexisting AMT to a preexisting FTM tree. You have to go about creating NEW AMT and FTM trees that can be linked and synced. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unfortunately, you are asking specific questions which can only be answered by someone who has used the program such as a beta tester. If this beta is like others in the past, the testers signed a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) which prohibits them from discussing specific features of the program or even acknowledging they were beta testers until after the product is released. So we may have to wait for some of the specifics about the new program. BJ On 9/10/2011 12:00 AM, Garnet Quigley wrote: > I've completed the pre-order with the 40%discount, so one way or the other I > will be working with FTM 2012, primarily for the anticipated sync > functionality. > > I am gathering from these postings that it is an all or nothing sync, you > can't just select parts of your tree to sync. Is that correct? > > And if so, does anyone know if there is working "privatization" option in > FTM 2012 to prevent those living kin and their attached photos and personal > notes appearing on the AMT? Or would I still have to maintain a private and > non-indexable AMT and create a second FTM/AMT synced tree by exporting a > subset of non-living persons that I can safely share and sync? > > Yes, maybe I do want my cake and eat it too :o) > ********************************** >

There is only one version of FTM. The national packages vary, in terms of what is bundled with the software (books, subscriptions etc) but if you only want the software upgrade, not a bundled package, then it doesn't matter where you buy. I am in the UK but I bought FTM2011 from the US Ancestry.com website and have just pre-ordered FTM2012 from the US site as well. The discounted prices on the US site are significantly below what the software will retail for in the UK, even when shipping costs are added in, and it means I don't have to wait a couple of months after the US release for the software to be available in the UK. Even better, at the moment the exchange rate is in my favour. One caveat - sometimes UK customs will intercept packages from the US and demand that VAT be paid on them. It hasn't happened to me yet but, even if it did in this case, it would still be cheaper for me than buying in the UK, since the price of FTM is always so much higher over here. Caroline Gurney On 9 September 2011 23:51, Family History <grfamhistory@yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Is this for the US version only or does it cover AU and UK versions. > > Thanks > > ===== > > > No, I have not received the email. For some reason I never get emails > from Ancestry about FTM, even though I own both FTM 2010 and FTM 2011. > > However, the 40% discount is advertised on their website as well: http://goo.gl/zbNv5. It only applies to pre-ordering *upgrades* to FTM > 2012. The discount for pre-ordering the software if you are *not* upgrading is 20%:http://goo.gl/BaSg2. There is a way to get an even bigger discount. Contact me offlist if > you wish to know more. Caroline Gurney > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >