Yes, of course, David. My site is not designed to prevent that. My aim is only to make things difficult for genealogy "name collectors" who like to download a GEDCOM and add it to their tree without validating the supposed connection. They can of course copy and paste from my site but that is hard work for them. If they are smart enough to use automated harvesting, they are smart enough not to be name collectors who think it is OK to marry people from the 18th and 20th centuries, or have mothers give birth aged 5 or 95. There will always be people who do garbage things with one's data. I'm pretty philosophical about that, as I believe the benefits of publication online outweigh the disadvantages. I just try not to make it too easy for them. Caroline Gurney PS I love your disclaimer! http://www.carosfamily.com http://cmgurney.blogspot.com On 13 October 2011 00:21, David C Abernathy <davidabernathy1@comcast.net> wrote: > Caroline, > I went to your website and I can harvest 90-95% of it. True I cannot > download and then import it into a program, but harvesting would not take > long. Sorry > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy

Rick, Yes, you can uninstall FTM 2010 from the Control Panel. FTM 2012 will NOT install "over" FTM 2010 or any other version. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, New York Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys Monroe County, New York History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys -----Original Message----- From: Rick Mayernik Sent: Thursday, 13 October, 2011 12:18 AM To: Family Tree Maker Subject: [FTM-TECH] version 2012 did not install over 2010 Can I simply delete version 2010? The "family" files copied to the newer version. Thank you, Rick

I am sorry you feel resentful of my insinuation. My experience with Ancestry is that people just put a name with a family and NO REFERENCE such as a census. OR, they just REPEAT misspellings, instead of taking the time to correct it. What I do, BEFORE I add an individual who is associated in my tree, I LOOK for censuses or obits or marriage records to ENSURE the HINT is FACTUALLY associated with the individual in my tree. When I find spelling errors on the census, I make an ALTERNATIVE correction to Ancestry, so that a future researcher of my family/families, will be able to find the reference. I have come across people with your stated experience, who have CONCOCTED a story that sounds SO believable, only to find out that it was all pure speculation, made to sound like it was fact, as you described in your e-mails. BUT, to allow the fallacies to continue is just as bad as initiating it in the first place. In a message dated 10/12/2011 11:57:28 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, caroline.gurney@gmail.com writes: I resent your insinuation that I am a selfish person who does not share with others.

Can I simply delete version 2010? The "family" files copied to the newer version. Thank you, Rick

Hi Judy, The downloading comment was in reference to my own website. I use TNG which gives the option for people to download a GEDCOM. I have disabled that. Caroline On 12 October 2011 23:48, Judy in Ocala <treewright@gmail.com> wrote: > Only the owner can download an Ancestry Member Tree. > > Judy in Ocala > > On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@gmail.com> wrote: > >> David, >> >> My Ancestry tree is *always* kept private in self defence against the >> morons who hoover up everyone else's data and add it to their totally >> unrelated lines. >> >> I share my data freely on my own website but people have to be >> intelligent enough to use Google to find that and no downloading is >> allowed. >> >> Caroline Gurney >> >> http://www.carosfamily.com >> http://cmgurney.blogspot.com >> >> >> On 12 October 2011 18:47, David C Abernathy <davidabernathy1@comcast.net> wrote: >>> When I upload a FTM 2012 file to Ancestry.com, I make sure that at that time >>> I select the manual syncing option. I also at that time make the tree >>> "Private" until I have checked the online version to be in the manner that I >>> want it to be. I also will do a couple of minor changes in the Ancestry >>> Member Tree (AMT) and FTM and then do a manual sync. If it passes then I >>> might make the AMT public. >>> >>> NOTE: also, I do NOT use very many media files as they are pretty useless >>> outside of FTM, this goes for any program that uses media. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> David C Abernathy

Caroline, If you have the hint trees off and you don't take information from them, why do you need to contact anybody? After all, if your information is yours and you don't want anyone using your information, why on earth would you expect people to help you? In a message dated 10/12/2011 9:04:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, caroline.gurney@gmail.com writes: Good question, John. I don't often look at Ancestry trees. I have always used FTM with the hints for trees turned off. I don't take information from them. I do use them as a means to contact, and be contacted by, people researching the same lines. Caroline

David, My Ancestry tree is *always* kept private in self defence against the morons who hoover up everyone else's data and add it to their totally unrelated lines. I share my data freely on my own website but people have to be intelligent enough to use Google to find that and no downloading is allowed. Caroline Gurney http://www.carosfamily.com http://cmgurney.blogspot.com On 12 October 2011 18:47, David C Abernathy <davidabernathy1@comcast.net> wrote: > When I upload a FTM 2012 file to Ancestry.com, I make sure that at that time > I select the manual syncing option. I also at that time make the tree > "Private" until I have checked the online version to be in the manner that I > want it to be. I also will do a couple of minor changes in the Ancestry > Member Tree (AMT) and FTM and then do a manual sync. If it passes then I > might make the AMT public. > > NOTE: also, I do NOT use very many media files as they are pretty useless > outside of FTM, this goes for any program that uses media. > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy

Once built, only the new entries for the index need be sorted, then merged. That is if the new programming tools have kept up with the pre-1970s technology. :) John Donaldson wrote: >John D > >-----Original Message----- >From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of BJ >Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:41 AM >To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 People/Family Index > > > >How many individuals do you have in the data base? If there are a >large number, the program is attempting to build the index for the data >base before displaying the index. I would let the program continue to >run to see if if finally generates the index. > >The reason for this is that the index, since 2011, does a two-pass sort, one >by alpha and then one by date of birth but I would have expected that that >would be done in a matter of minutes > >John D > >********************************** >List information page >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > >Online Support for Family Tree Maker >Version 16 and earlier >http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > >Version 2008 - 2011 >http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

On 12 October 2011 18:06, <aghatchett3rd@aim.com> wrote: > >  Caroline, > > Those of us beta testing weren't competing with who knows how many thousand others who were also trying to sync trees. > > ;) That is a very good point, Andy, and would explain slow syncing to Ancestry. Funnily enough, though, I have no problem with that. My tree did a very fast initial sync. The media took a little more time to upload, of course, but still faster than during the beta test. Since that initial sync, keeping things up to date has been a breeze - a matter of a few seconds each time. What is baffling is why having FTM 2012 set to sync automatically in the background should affect the reloading and refreshing of the Index within FTM. Clearly the auto sync will use resources but why does that only affect the Index? When the Index hung, I was able to move quite normally around all the other workspaces and tabs in FTM. Caroline Gurney http://www.carosfamily.com http://cmgurney.blogspot.com

Only the owner can download an Ancestry Member Tree. Judy in Ocala On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@gmail.com> wrote: > David, > > My Ancestry tree is *always* kept private in self defence against the > morons who hoover up everyone else's data and add it to their totally > unrelated lines. > > I share my data freely on my own website but people have to be > intelligent enough to use Google to find that and no downloading is > allowed. > > Caroline Gurney > > http://www.carosfamily.com > http://cmgurney.blogspot.com > > > On 12 October 2011 18:47, David C Abernathy <davidabernathy1@comcast.net> wrote: >> When I upload a FTM 2012 file to Ancestry.com, I make sure that at that time >> I select the manual syncing option. I also at that time make the tree >> "Private" until I have checked the online version to be in the manner that I >> want it to be. I also will do a couple of minor changes in the Ancestry >> Member Tree (AMT) and FTM and then do a manual sync. If it passes then I >> might make the AMT public. >> >> NOTE: also, I do NOT use very many media files as they are pretty useless >> outside of FTM, this goes for any program that uses media. >> >> Thanks, >> David C Abernathy > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Caroline, I have ask. Do you ever look at someone else's tree on Ancestry, and use the information you find there? I don't care if you copy it, link it, or just manually input it to your file on your computer. John & Kathleen On Oct 12, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@gmail.com> wrote: > David, > > My Ancestry tree is *always* kept private in self defence against the > morons who hoover up everyone else's data and add it to their totally > unrelated lines. > > I share my data freely on my own website but people have to be > intelligent enough to use Google to find that and no downloading is > allowed. > > Caroline Gurney > > http://www.carosfamily.com > http://cmgurney.blogspot.com

You're welcome, Tom. I'm glad this solution also worked for you. Ancestry need to take a look at this because automatically syncing with Ancestry should not cause the Index in FTM 2012 to hang. It did not cause me any problems with exactly the same database when I was beta testing FTM 2012 Tree Sync. I've submitted feedback here: http://goo.gl/cYE1y and would encourage you to do the same. Caroline Gurney http://www.carosfamily.com http://cmgurney.blogspot.com On 12 October 2011 16:42, Tom Herson <therson@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > Thanks you SO much, Caroline. I followed your suggestion and the problem is > solved! > > Tom Herson > Ithaca, NY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caroline Gurney" <caroline.gurney@gmail.com> > To: <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 11:25 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 People/Family Index > > > Tom, > > I only have just over 5,000 individuals in my tree and was > experiencing exactly the same problem. I changed the settings so that > the tree was not trying to sync automatically with Ancestry and the > problem went away. > > On the Plan workspace, close to the top right hand corner, there is a > "Sync Now" button. To the right of the button is an arrow for a drop > down menu. From that menu choose Sync Options. The Update Options > window will open. Change the "Update linked trees" setting from > "Automatically" to "Manually". > > I don't have any problem remembering to sync my tree manually from > time to time during data entry. I always do so before I back up and > then shut down FTM 2012. > > Caroline Gurney > > http://www.carosfamily.com > http://cmgurney.blogspot.com > > > > > On 12 October 2011 16:10, Tom Herson <therson@twcny.rr.com> wrote: >> BJ, >> >> I have 10,312 individuals in the database, the same number that I had in >> FTM >> 2011. The Indes does finally display after a LOT longer than it took using >> FTM 2011. But, after making some entries and attempting to move to a new >> person via the Index, building the index again takes way too long. Does it >> have anything to do with the tree being linked to Ancestry? If so, how do >> I >> unlink the tree? I'm not going to wait an eternity each time I change >> individuals that I am working with. >> >> Tom Herson >> Ithaca, NY >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "BJ" <bhamilton3@cox.net> >> To: <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:40 AM >> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 People/Family Index >> >> >>> How many individuals do you have in the data base? If there are a >>> large number, the program is attempting to build the index for the data >>> base before displaying the index. I would let the program continue to >>> run to see if if finally generates the index. >>> >>> BJ >>> >>> On 10/12/2011 7:24 AM, Tom Herson wrote: >>>> I've installed FTM 2012on a computer using Windows Vista Home Premium. >>>> I've also linked and synched my tree to Ancestry. >>>> >>>> The first problem is that when I select People/Family to view the Index, >>>> it keeps working and working and working. I've had to shut the program >>>> down twice, but the problem doesn't go away when I attempt to view the >>>> Index. >>>> >>>> Any suggestions?

Hi, The build I have is 388. I switched to automatic syncing and the wait to build the Index was significantly less than I was experiencing earlier. *amazed*( :) I switched back to manual because I don't like to have to wait while it syncs at the beginning. I doubt very much that I will be updating anything via the web tree so I don't see any point in syncing at both the beginning and the end of using the program on my PC. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "BJ" <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 People/Family Index >I only have 2300+ individuals but am not experiencing any problems with > the index. As to the suggestion of changing the automatic syncing - it > should not have any influence on the index. Although I use the manual > option, I did change to automatic and had no problems with the index. > Just to check, I am using build 388. Can you check Help, About FTM and > look at the last three digits of the FTM version number to ensure it is > 388. > > Just to check, could you see if you change the sync option to automatic > to see if the problem reoccurs? > > The only differences between the automatic and manual options are > Automatic > Syncs when the file is opened. > Syncs when the file is closed. > Syncs when you click Sync Now. > Manual > Syncs when you click Sync Now. > > BJ > > > On 10/12/2011 8:10 AM, Tom Herson wrote: >> BJ, >> >> I have 10,312 individuals in the database, the same number that I had in >> FTM >> 2011. The Indes does finally display after a LOT longer than it took >> using >> FTM 2011. But, after making some entries and attempting to move to a new >> person via the Index, building the index again takes way too long. Does >> it >> have anything to do with the tree being linked to Ancestry? If so, how do >> I >> unlink the tree? I'm not going to wait an eternity each time I change >> individuals that I am working with. > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Tom, I only have just over 5,000 individuals in my tree and was experiencing exactly the same problem. I changed the settings so that the tree was not trying to sync automatically with Ancestry and the problem went away. On the Plan workspace, close to the top right hand corner, there is a "Sync Now" button. To the right of the button is an arrow for a drop down menu. From that menu choose Sync Options. The Update Options window will open. Change the "Update linked trees" setting from "Automatically" to "Manually". I don't have any problem remembering to sync my tree manually from time to time during data entry. I always do so before I back up and then shut down FTM 2012. Caroline Gurney http://www.carosfamily.com http://cmgurney.blogspot.com On 12 October 2011 16:10, Tom Herson <therson@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > BJ, > > I have 10,312 individuals in the database, the same number that I had in FTM > 2011. The Indes does finally display after a LOT longer than it took using > FTM 2011. But, after making some entries and attempting to move to a new > person via the Index, building the index again takes way too long. Does it > have anything to do with the tree being linked to Ancestry? If so, how do I > unlink the tree? I'm not going to wait an eternity each time I change > individuals that I am working with. > > Tom Herson > Ithaca, NY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "BJ" <bhamilton3@cox.net> > To: <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:40 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 People/Family Index > > >> How many individuals do you have in the data base?   If there are a >> large number, the program is attempting to build the index for the data >> base before displaying the index.  I would let the program continue to >> run to see if if finally generates the index. >> >> BJ >> >> On 10/12/2011 7:24 AM, Tom Herson wrote: >>> I've installed FTM 2012on a computer using Windows Vista Home Premium. >>> I've also linked and synched my tree to Ancestry. >>> >>> The first problem is that when I select People/Family to view the Index, >>> it keeps working and working and working. I've had to shut the program >>> down twice, but the problem doesn't go away when I attempt to view the >>> Index. >>> >>> Any suggestions?

Caroline, I went to your website and I can harvest 90-95% of it. True I cannot download and then import it into a program, but harvesting would not take long. Sorry Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  ==

Thanks. I do experience a slight delay when I first open the file and go to the People Family work area but I have that same delay regardless of whether the Sync Option is set to Manual or to Automatic. I also prefer to use the manual option. BJ On 10/12/2011 1:51 PM, Tom Herson wrote: > Hi, > > The build I have is 388. I switched to automatic syncing and the wait to > build the Index was significantly less than I was experiencing earlier. > *amazed*( :) I switched back to manual because I don't like to have to > wait while it syncs at the beginning. I doubt very much that I will be > updating anything via the web tree so I don't see any point in syncing at > both the beginning and the end of using the program on my PC. >

Carmeletta, After you have chosen the Selected Individuals, the Save Dialog box will open. Where is says, "Save As Type" be sure it says "Family Tree Maker (*.FTW). Saving it that way will include all of your media for those who are included in the file. It will NOT include all of the media items in your file, only for those individuals you have selected to include. If you Save As Type GEDCOM (*.GED) then NO media will be included. As was mentioned by another lister, the person you share your file with must have FTM 16 or a later version of FTM or a program that can open FTW files. I hope this helps. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, New York Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys Monroe County, New York History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys -----Original Message----- From: Carmeletta Eidson Sent: Wednesday, 12 October, 2011 10:30 AM To: FTM-TECH@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] Exporting Individuals I have FTM 16 and I'm needing to export Part of my file to share with a cousin. When I go to "File" and choose "Export File" I have choices of "Entire file, Selected Individuals, and Copy/Export Individuals. My problem: If I choose Selected Individuals, I am not exporting my Media. If I try to select Copy/Export Individuals....it is grayed out and will not let me choose it. How can I "fix" this problem? I have used Copy/Export in the past, but it has stopped working, I do want to share my pictures along with the data. I am age 85 and am not Computer Savvy, so I need a simple answer. Carmeletta

> All is done within the FTM16 program, usually from the Family File page. Gordon - have you given serious consideration to moving to FTM 2012 as it would allow your database to shed the media files from the database itself! This would significantly reduce the size of the file you open and copy as you exit, thus improving those speed items. Just a thought for you.

Gordon, These files are embedded or are they linked to your FTM 16 file? It has been a LONG time since I have seen version 16, I do not remember how these images are handled. I would NOT do any more renaming as this is messing up all of the internal links to these images. As suggested, I would upgrade to 2012 and then the images will be separate files within a media folder. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gordon Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 7:38 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] pics disappearing Hi: All is done within the FTM16 program, usually from the Family File page. Regards, Gordon ----- Original Message ----- From: "David C Abernathy" <davidabernathy1@comcast.net> To: <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] pics disappearing > Gordon, > What is the path of these files and type of files? > > When renaming them are you by chance also changing or dropping the > extensions of these files? > > Are you doing these changes within Windows Explorer (My Computer) or some > other program? > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy > Email disclaimers > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com > == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus == > > -----Original Message----- > From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of gordon > Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 4:02 PM > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: [FTM-TECH] pics disappearing > > Hi: > > Sometimes, when running certain commands, many of my scanned in pics > disappear, most notably when I do a name change or substitution for > corrections. > > Ideas anyone? > > Regards, > > Gordon, using FTM16 and 2 gigs RAM > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I only have 2300+ individuals but am not experiencing any problems with the index. As to the suggestion of changing the automatic syncing - it should not have any influence on the index. Although I use the manual option, I did change to automatic and had no problems with the index. Just to check, I am using build 388. Can you check Help, About FTM and look at the last three digits of the FTM version number to ensure it is 388. Just to check, could you see if you change the sync option to automatic to see if the problem reoccurs? The only differences between the automatic and manual options are Automatic Syncs when the file is opened. Syncs when the file is closed. Syncs when you click Sync Now. Manual Syncs when you click Sync Now. BJ On 10/12/2011 8:10 AM, Tom Herson wrote: > BJ, > > I have 10,312 individuals in the database, the same number that I had in FTM > 2011. The Indes does finally display after a LOT longer than it took using > FTM 2011. But, after making some entries and attempting to move to a new > person via the Index, building the index again takes way too long. Does it > have anything to do with the tree being linked to Ancestry? If so, how do I > unlink the tree? I'm not going to wait an eternity each time I change > individuals that I am working with.