It worked for me, too! Thanks so much! I finally have a tree on Ancestry! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:56:18 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry - It worked I reduced most of the images to less than 1mb, but still had a couple over 2MB. I expect Compacting the file fixed something. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BJ Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:51 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry - It worked I thought there was a limit of 2 mb on the size of images which can be uploaded via the sync. I checked the Knowledge Base on the differences between trees in AMT and FTM 2012 and found the limit on media items to be 15 mb. Also not sure whether this was applicable or not. The sync will display as complete but media items will continue to be processed and uploaded. If you close the program, the media processing continues when you next open the file. BJ On 10/14/2011 5:35 AM, John Boyd wrote: > I compacted the file, and reduced the size of most of the large (2MB) > files, and it worked this time. Not sure what made the difference, > but at least it is there. > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don't have FTM2012 but have two thoughts 1. We are in the longest period of error messages from the Ancestry site that I can remember. Searches via my browser not FTM are regularly reporting limited results due to technical difficulties and elsewhere in the results server errors. Although this happens regularly it is normally over in 24 hours or so. We are well past seven days now. 2. So far as John and Kathleen are concerned, it might well be the size of the media. I have seen reports that you may need to allow hours/days to upload media even when you succeed. I assume the problem is greatest first time around and gets better when you are simply uploading changes. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Bickford Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:48 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry I have the very same problem--it just says an unknown error occurred...no further information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Herson" <therson@twcny.rr.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:37:31 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Any thoughts about what? You didn't indicate a problem. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: "Ftm-Tech" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry > Just got FTM 2012 and tried to upload one of my files - 14,000 > individuals, > 4,000 marriages, file size is 51 mb, media folder is 1.2 GB with 3,200 > items. Largest media file is 2 MB > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > John & Kathleen > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I believe the only answer to this problem is a certified tree that enables researchers to share their research, have it protected, but be able to help others with their research. My own aim is to correct the amount of wrong information about my own family tree on ancestry.com and to try and provide and true and accurate history. This is not going to be achieved by the amount of sour grapes and spilt milk that has adorned these pages lately. I would think that the amount of concern and intelligence applied to various problems recently may have better suggestions. Regards Malcolm -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011 9:16 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 People/Family Index Hi again Yes, I think that data can be copied across far to easily, it should prompt for at least one source and preferably more before allowing a sideways copy, there would be some that would ignore it or enter rubbish as a source but at least it might get some to do the job right I can't say I have come across AMT or OWT in my research but then I don't use others trees much I have never quite understood the enjoyment in copying thousands of names you have no idea are connected or not My tree may be smaller than many but at least I know those in it are connected to me Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > The term AMT seems to be the accepted acronym for Ancestry.com Member > Trees as compared to OWT for One World Trees and some of the others. > > Any tree without solid documentation is always suspect for its > accuracy. It is the user's responsibility to verify the data. With > AMTs just as it is with other data bases, garbage in is garbage out. > > BJ ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I reduced most of the images to less than 1mb, but still had a couple over 2MB. I expect Compacting the file fixed something. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BJ Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 9:51 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry - It worked I thought there was a limit of 2 mb on the size of images which can be uploaded via the sync. I checked the Knowledge Base on the differences between trees in AMT and FTM 2012 and found the limit on media items to be 15 mb. Also not sure whether this was applicable or not. The sync will display as complete but media items will continue to be processed and uploaded. If you close the program, the media processing continues when you next open the file. BJ On 10/14/2011 5:35 AM, John Boyd wrote: > I compacted the file, and reduced the size of most of the large (2MB) > files, and it worked this time. Not sure what made the difference, > but at least it is there. > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You're welcome. I'm glad that it eases your mind about migrating to FTM 2012. Here are a few things that I have found helped me when I migrated from FTM 16. I found it easier to correct the items using FTM 2012 after the conversion but they are items which you may want to check and "clean up" to get your data in good condition. 1. Review your the Comment/Location fields in your facts. For all Facts such as Education, Occupation, Degree, etc, where you may only have a description or comment, ensure you have a slash following the comment. The conversion routine looks for the slash to determine which part of the field is to be imported into the Place field and which will be imported into the Description field. Anything preceding the slash goes into the Description field. Anything following the slash goes into the Place field. If no slash is found, it goes into the Place field. If it is too much work to correct it in FTM 16, not to worry, there are some tools in FTM 2012 which can help switch the information to the proper field. 2. Review your place names and try to ensure they are standardized as much as possible. When they are imported into FTM 2012, all of them will automatically be marked as Not Resolved. Not to worry. That is not an error message indicating there is a problem. It is simply a message saying the name has not been found in the Place Name Authority listing. This is a list of over 3 million place names that you can use to standardize your place names. If you chose not to use them you can either leave the flag set (showing). This is what I do. Or you can select the "Ignore" option which tells FTM 2012 "I want to use this name and do not flag it as not being standard." 3. Review your media items. Some users placed additional copies of a photo in two or more Scrapbooks in FTM 16. Perhaps a group picture or something similar. The conversion routine doesn't know this is the same photo and will import two copies of it. FTM 2012 lets you "link" a single photo to multiple individuals or facts. So you may want to use this capability to reduce the number of photos in your folder. 4. Review your Source-citations look for duplicates which you may want to link to a single copy. Also look at some which are linked but you want to tailor them making them unique to the fact. Just remember the differences in actions when using the Copy and Paste feature for the Sources. The "Paste as link" uses a single copy of the source-citation for multiple individuals or facts. If you make a change to the source-citation, that change is applied to all individuals and facts. The "Paste as Duplicate" adds a new copy of the source-citation. You can make a change to the source-citation and that change is only applied to the individuals and facts linked to that copy. 5. While reviewing your Source-citations, you may want to consider using the Templates. These follow the guidelines of Elizabeth Shown Mills' "Evidence Explained". Many find using the templates provides them with a more uniform method of formatting their Source-citations. Others like myself find them too much work and effort for very little benefit. At any rate they are there and you may find them useful. Here are some features which are different from FTM 16 but my assist you in your research. 1. Individual facts may now have media items and notes for each fact. I use this to record information unique to the fact. An example is if someone was born in a house and you have a picture of the house, you could link that to the birth fact. Alternately you can link a photo of a tombstone to the death fact. 2. "Hints", these are little green leaf icons which may appear next to names on the Family work area. These are possible matches to trees or research items found in the Ancestry.com's data bases. Clicking on the "hint" icon, opens the Web Search work area listing all of the hints for that individual. 3. The "Web Merge Wizard" is a great boon to researchers. It lets you merge information found in the Ancestry.com data bases into your personal data base. You are offered a number of options as to whether to merge the information and how to merge the data. I find it very useful. One think I really like about it is once the merge has been completed, the source-citation has an online link to the original record so I can always return to the match when I want. Once you have your new computer and FTM 2012, I hope you have a very enjoyable experience with the new FTM 2012. BJ On 10/13/2011 7:12 PM, LouDean wrote: > Oh, thank you, BJ! You can't imagine what a relief it is to hear you say > that this is not going to be a serious problem! I really appreciate your > taking the time to explain this. I've read it, but have to read it again > more carefully to understand better what is happening, but I already feel > much better because I really have to get a new computer and I know that when > I do, I should move to 2012. >

I tried it several times and in 2 different locations and networks. The data appears to be going through (it takes many minutes) and it looks like it is almost done and poof! the connection breaks. That's when the unknown error message appears. It is really disappointing after spending so much time waiting for it to go. I have never uploaded to ancestry before and since I got the new program I thought I would do it. My file has over 16,000 individuals and over 5,000 families---I've heard of much larger trees being uploaded from others. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 8:14:13 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Except I got the error message before it got to the media upload. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Knight Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 7:09 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Don't have FTM2012 but have two thoughts 1. We are in the longest period of error messages from the Ancestry site that I can remember. Searches via my browser not FTM are regularly reporting limited results due to technical difficulties and elsewhere in the results server errors. Although this happens regularly it is normally over in 24 hours or so. We are well past seven days now. 2. So far as John and Kathleen are concerned, it might well be the size of the media. I have seen reports that you may need to allow hours/days to upload media even when you succeed. I assume the problem is greatest first time around and gets better when you are simply uploading changes. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Bickford Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:48 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry I have the very same problem--it just says an unknown error occurred...no further information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Herson" <therson@twcny.rr.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:37:31 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Any thoughts about what? You didn't indicate a problem. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: "Ftm-Tech" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry > Just got FTM 2012 and tried to upload one of my files - 14,000 > individuals, > 4,000 marriages, file size is 51 mb, media folder is 1.2 GB with 3,200 > items. Largest media file is 2 MB > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > John & Kathleen > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not sure what an AMT is though? Ancestry Member Tree? Correct John Donaldson

I thought there was a limit of 2 mb on the size of images which can be uploaded via the sync. I checked the Knowledge Base on the differences between trees in AMT and FTM 2012 and found the limit on media items to be 15 mb. Also not sure whether this was applicable or not. The sync will display as complete but media items will continue to be processed and uploaded. If you close the program, the media processing continues when you next open the file. BJ On 10/14/2011 5:35 AM, John Boyd wrote: > I compacted the file, and reduced the size of most of the large (2MB) files, > and it worked this time. Not sure what made the difference, but at least it > is there. >

I have the very same problem--it just says an unknown error occurred...no further information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Herson" <therson@twcny.rr.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:37:31 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Any thoughts about what? You didn't indicate a problem. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: "Ftm-Tech" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry > Just got FTM 2012 and tried to upload one of my files - 14,000 > individuals, > 4,000 marriages, file size is 51 mb, media folder is 1.2 GB with 3,200 > items. Largest media file is 2 MB > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > John & Kathleen > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I compacted the file, and reduced the size of most of the large (2MB) files, and it worked this time. Not sure what made the difference, but at least it is there. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Knight Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 7:09 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Don't have FTM2012 but have two thoughts 1. We are in the longest period of error messages from the Ancestry site that I can remember. Searches via my browser not FTM are regularly reporting limited results due to technical difficulties and elsewhere in the results server errors. Although this happens regularly it is normally over in 24 hours or so. We are well past seven days now. 2. So far as John and Kathleen are concerned, it might well be the size of the media. I have seen reports that you may need to allow hours/days to upload media even when you succeed. I assume the problem is greatest first time around and gets better when you are simply uploading changes. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Bickford Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:48 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry I have the very same problem--it just says an unknown error occurred...no further information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Herson" <therson@twcny.rr.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:37:31 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Any thoughts about what? You didn't indicate a problem. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: "Ftm-Tech" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry > Just got FTM 2012 and tried to upload one of my files - 14,000 > individuals, > 4,000 marriages, file size is 51 mb, media folder is 1.2 GB with 3,200 > items. Largest media file is 2 MB > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > John & Kathleen > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Except I got the error message before it got to the media upload. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tony Knight Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 7:09 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Don't have FTM2012 but have two thoughts 1. We are in the longest period of error messages from the Ancestry site that I can remember. Searches via my browser not FTM are regularly reporting limited results due to technical difficulties and elsewhere in the results server errors. Although this happens regularly it is normally over in 24 hours or so. We are well past seven days now. 2. So far as John and Kathleen are concerned, it might well be the size of the media. I have seen reports that you may need to allow hours/days to upload media even when you succeed. I assume the problem is greatest first time around and gets better when you are simply uploading changes. Tony -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Bickford Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:48 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry I have the very same problem--it just says an unknown error occurred...no further information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Herson" <therson@twcny.rr.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 5:37:31 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Any thoughts about what? You didn't indicate a problem. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: "Ftm-Tech" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry > Just got FTM 2012 and tried to upload one of my files - 14,000 > individuals, > 4,000 marriages, file size is 51 mb, media folder is 1.2 GB with 3,200 > items. Largest media file is 2 MB > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > John & Kathleen > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, the error message is the Subject line. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Herson Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 4:38 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry Any thoughts about what? You didn't indicate a problem. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: "Ftm-Tech" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry > Just got FTM 2012 and tried to upload one of my files - 14,000 > individuals, > 4,000 marriages, file size is 51 mb, media folder is 1.2 GB with 3,200 > items. Largest media file is 2 MB > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > John & Kathleen > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any thoughts about what? You didn't indicate a problem. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Boyd" <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: "Ftm-Tech" <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:22 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] An Error Occurred during the data upload to Ancestry > Just got FTM 2012 and tried to upload one of my files - 14,000 > individuals, > 4,000 marriages, file size is 51 mb, media folder is 1.2 GB with 3,200 > items. Largest media file is 2 MB > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > John & Kathleen > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi again Yes, I think that data can be copied across far to easily, it should prompt for at least one source and preferably more before allowing a sideways copy, there would be some that would ignore it or enter rubbish as a source but at least it might get some to do the job right I can't say I have come across AMT or OWT in my research but then I don't use others trees much I have never quite understood the enjoyment in copying thousands of names you have no idea are connected or not My tree may be smaller than many but at least I know those in it are connected to me Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > The term AMT seems to be the accepted acronym for Ancestry.com Member > Trees as compared to OWT for One World Trees and some of the others. > > Any tree without solid documentation is always suspect for its > accuracy. It is the user's responsibility to verify the data. With > AMTs just as it is with other data bases, garbage in is garbage out. > > BJ

Just got FTM 2012 and tried to upload one of my files - 14,000 individuals, 4,000 marriages, file size is 51 mb, media folder is 1.2 GB with 3,200 items. Largest media file is 2 MB Any thoughts? John & Kathleen

Oh, thank you, BJ! You can't imagine what a relief it is to hear you say that this is not going to be a serious problem! I really appreciate your taking the time to explain this. I've read it, but have to read it again more carefully to understand better what is happening, but I already feel much better because I really have to get a new computer and I know that when I do, I should move to 2012. Thanks so much! (I've been waiting patiently because I just knew you'd answer when you had time.) LouDean -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of BJ Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:19 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Citation Text I'm sorry but it seems no one has answered your question and I'm replying a little late. You should not have any problem moving your source-citation data from FTM 16 into any of the later versions of FTM. Your comments will be preserved just as you have them in FTM 16. Just so you know what is going on here is how the source-citations are handled. FTM 16 and earlier always linked a source-citation to a single fact. This was true even when the source-citation might be exactly the same for 1 or 2 or even 4 facts. For example let's say that you found a Census record for a family of 8 people. You enter the census record as a source-citation for each individual to document their Name, Date of Birth and Residence/Census fact. You enter the information into the source-citation for the first person and then use FTM 16's feature to copy/paste the source-citation to all of the individuals and their three facts. You make no changes to the other source-citations. This would enter 24 identical source-citations into your data base. There are disadvantages such as wasted space in your data base because you have 24 copies all containing the exact same information. Another disadvantage is if you discover your misspelled something such as the city name or the Roll number, to correct that bit of information you must visit all 24 copies and make the same correction to each copy. Beginning with FTM 2008, this process was changed slightly. You can enter the source-citation information in a single source-citation and then link that single-source citation to all 24 facts described above. This reduces the amount of space required in your data base because you have the information only once and it makes it much easier to make the correction because you make the correction to the single source-citation and it is displayed properly for all 24 facts. Think of it as like the central heating system in most homes today. You have a single heater and thermostat. Any change to the thermostat applies the change to all rooms connected to the heater. The KEY to this is the source-citation information must be the same for all individuals and facts including the Source Title, the Citation Detail (Citation Page), the Citation Text, the Reference Note (Footnote). Obviously there may be times when you don't want the source-citation to be exactly the same for all of the individuals or facts. In your case you add and explanation in the Citation Text field. This can be accommodated by Copy and Paste as Duplicate. This tells FTM to make a second copy of the source-citation and link it to the new individual or fact. This is essentially what will happen to your FTM 16 source-citations. For those source-citations which have distinct Comment Text entries, a separate source-citation will be created for each thus preserving your current systems. Just to summarize what must be identical for source-citations to be entered once and linked to multiple individuals and facts. All of the following fields must be identical. 1. Source title 2. Citation detail 3. Citation Text 4. Reference Note - a reference note (like the FTM 16 Footnote) can have information manually entered into the field. 5. Source-citation Note 6. Source-citation Media items I hope this answers your concerns. BJ

Hi Andy The ones I looked at appear to be identical branches but not the whole file, at least they vary by considerable amounts of entries , ie in the thousands Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > I think you'll find that most of the trees have their origins in GEDCOMS downloaded from RootsWEB > over the years and then posted on Ancestry and/or exchanged between users.

Hi BJ These are fairly recent trees and have exactly the same family branches to the exact detail Having had a play this afternoon it appears this is being done by adding one person which gives the facility of adding all their children, wife and where parents details differ, those too I did a trial and its very easy to add many branches relatively quickly It also suggested others to add that had similar details although some were in fact quite different , it would be very easy to add the wrong ones I am aware of the various levels of access to Ancestry trees as I have all levels for different trees Not sure what an AMT is though? Ancestry Member Tree ? Whats the difference? I had to smile yesterday, looking at one tree it has one mans and his wife, among their children is the same wife as a second person Its rather too easy IMHO to add people but how they sort that one out I don't know Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > Earlier trees on Ancestry.com did allow people to download GEDCOMs of > the trees. If this were done, the information could be incorporated > into anyone's tree. Many "harvesters" did exactly that and never > cleaned up the data or even attempted to merge duplicates. I've seen at > least one tree which has multiple entries of duplicate families and you > wouldn't believe the number of interrelationships one individual could > have. > > I think Ancestry.com is changing this. I know that in recent searches, > I have found no way of downloading a public tree from Ancestry.com. > Current trees can only be downloaded by the owner. The owner has much > more control over the current Ancestry.com trees or AMT's. They can

Sorry, while I recognize the inherent problems with the quality of the trees, the idea is to let people find others who may have other data. As John Boyd correctly pointed out just because a tree has one source, that source may not be accurate or even valid. I don't know whether you have looked at some of the trees but I find it comical that many trees reference AMTs as their source and when you examine those AMTs, they reference the AMT you were looking at originally. Just like a dog chasing it tail. I don't understand it either but I certainly don't want any restrictions to the trees that I may upload, review or even use. One think I like about FTM 2012 and its synced AMTs, you now get the sources and images uploaded and viewable. I appreciate those who take a conscientious approach to ensuring the accuracy and validity of the information in the trees. Those who don't, I just ignore. If they copy my data, hopefully they will copy my sources so for those individuals, the information accuracy has been improved. I think this thread has about run its course so this will be my last post to it. BJ On 10/13/2011 3:15 PM, Nivard Ovington wrote: > Yes, I think that data can be copied across far to easily, it should prompt for at least one source > and preferably more before allowing a sideways copy, there would be some that would ignore it or > enter rubbish as a source but at least it might get some to do the job right > > I can't say I have come across AMT or OWT in my research but then I don't use others trees much > > I have never quite understood the enjoyment in copying thousands of names you have no idea are > connected or not > > My tree may be smaller than many but at least I know those in it are connected to me

You can download faster than single individuals unless things have changed recently. Merge one person and in the same action you get spouse and children offered. After a few clicks you can move on to add the spouse/children of the children. Not as smooth as gedcoms, but they are generally bloated with sanitised individuals whom you see far more easily when merging PMTs. Tony -----Original Message----- From: BJ Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:03 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 People/Family Index I don't think anyone is disagreeing about the quality of information for many trees on Ancestry.com and other web sites. The topic being discussed is whether the information can be easily downloaded from current Ancestry.com Public trees. Quality of the information is not something that Ancestry.com can control or govern. The ease of downloading the information has changed and is being addressed because users have complained about their information being downloaded in a wholesale fashion. BJ On 10/13/2011 8:41 AM, Tony Knight wrote: > I have to concur with what Nivard says. > > Not only do you have marriages of people to spouses born a 100 years or > more > earlier than them (have a look at Mary Theresa Wherritt daughter of > Millard > and Mary for instance) , but you have sources attached which do not relate > to the fact set out, or even record different information. > > Particularly noticeable in my area of interest, are English place names > which have become associated with places in the US and France. And don't > get me started on people who believe the USA is a pre Mayflower and in > some > instances pre-Columbian creation. There is a danger PMTs are descending to > the quality level of the IGI > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message