On 24 October 2011 04:07, <Chasgustaf@aol.com> wrote: > Finally got 2012 to  load and was able  to get information loaded by doing > a Gedcom. When I do a new census reference by  hand, when adding a new > child, the entry is NOT in date order. have to click on  the reorder symbol. Is > there a way to change that? You can move the child to the correct place in the family by highlighting their name and using the up and down arrows. Caroline Gurney www.carosfamily.com

On 23 October 2011 14:52, Susan Johanson <scjohanson5@comcast.net> wrote: > ftm-tech-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Caroline, >  I have had my sync sent to manual since the first day, and it still gets > hung up. It's not every time, but enough to be annoying.  Any other things I > can try? > Susan Sorry, Susan, I don't have any other suggestions but am glad to see that others do. Caroline Gurney www.carosfamily.com

On 23 October 2011 12:24, Tom Herson <therson@twcny.rr.com> wrote: > That's probably because most, not all, the users of this list can read and > understand the instructions. > > Tom Herson > Ithaca, NY Well said, Tom!

On 24 October 2011 05:51, <aghatchett3rd@aim.com> wrote: > >  Not to my knowledge- unfortunately. Looks like an automatic sort by DOB would be a no-brainer... > but then we *are* talking about FTM. The last thing I would want is an automatic sort by DOB. I have families where I know the birth order but not all the dates of birth. With an automatic sort, all those without DOBs would be moved to the bottom of the list. As an aside, Andy, can you explain why you use FTM? I ask because you seem to have a pretty poor opinion of the program. Caroline Gurney www.carosfamily.com

I just tried it and had no problems. Have you tried to compact your file? It sounds like there may be some problems with the spousal addresses. BJ On 10/24/2011 4:30 PM, Mary Ellis wrote: > Problem with the bar that has Marriage to ________ on the right hand panel > Sometimes I can click on that bar and get to the Notes - Media page and > other times I can't. When this bar doesn't work then clicking on the > little icon on the marriage line doesn't work either ( the one that says > Marriage Facts, Notes and Media when you hover over it.) > When neither of these work then the only way to add a note is to go to > the person tab, click on the marriage shared fact and use the note > selection in the right hand panel. > > I checked and can't find a thing different about these entries accept > the people names of course. > > Any ideas, or anyone else having this problem? >

But did you manually enter the child or did you merge the data from the census? That is Ancestry doing the sort, not the FTM program. Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: "Chasgustaf@aol.com" <Chasgustaf@aol.com> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, October 24, 2011 7:44:40 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] New entries not in date order In a message dated 10/24/2011 7:08:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sherren@csolve.net writes: The children are left in the order you enter them. NOT true in 2012. If you have SIX children listed and a new child is on a subsequent census, FTM 2012 puts that new child in the middle of the pack, NOT at the BOTTOM. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What happens if you go to the Plan work area, select the file name and use the Remove option to remove it from the list. You can then use the Browse to find and enter it again. There may be something that is a problem with the pointer to the file. Removing and re-adding it may correct the problem. BJ On 10/24/2011 4:18 PM, Daryl Rickards wrote: > Hi BJ, > Yes that's exactly how I am opening the 2nd file - > I'm running FTM 2012 build 388 under Windows 7 Home Premium on a 64-bit > machine 8gb > Very odd > Daryl from Oz > > > BJ wrote: > > I'm sorry but I'm not experiencing this problem. I have a file open. > On the Plan work area, I select a second file and select in a New Window. I > see the program initialization dialog window. Eventually, a new FTM 2012 > window opens showing the desired file. > > Is this how you are attempting to open the second file? > > If you are attempting to open by double clicking on the file name, you may > have a problem. I had to reinstall FTM 2011 after I had installed FTM 2012. > This caused the Windows file to be associated with FTM 2011. > So when I attempt to open a FTM 2012 file, FTM 2011 is opened but doesn't > recognize the file. So it offers to create a new tree. > > I'm running FTM 2012 build 388 under Windows 7 Pro on a 32-bit machine. > > > > On 10/24/2011 2:18 PM, Daryl Rickards wrote: >> Hi great wizards, >> >> >> >> I have noticed that if I have a tree open in FTM2012, then try to open >> another tree in a new window - The FTM application initializing >> banner sits there and if I minimise all windows back to my desktop I >> see a small window which says tree does not exist >> >> Rubbish I say to this little window, close it and FTM opens with the >> Create New Tree window. I then click on the tree I tried to open in a >> new window previously and it does. I now have both my trees open and >> can move between the both of them. >> >> This did not happen in FTM2011 where I could open trees in new windows >> without any problems >> >> Why is this so ?????

Thank you for your comment. I agree 100%. In FTM 16 and earlier, I liked to have the direct descendants listed at the top of the children list. I continue that process in FTM 2012 although FTM 2008 implemented a special indicator showing the direct descendant path to the "Home Person". After I have entered the children, I sort them by birth date. I then use the move feature to move the direct descendant to the top slot. I find this lets me navigate to through the direct line much more efficiently than leaving everyone in the birth order. Having the option to "automatically" sort children after adding a new child would not work very well except for those who always want the children in birth order. Consider this. I have rearranged the children list. I enter a new child and the entire list is automatically reordered not just for this family but for all children. This completely destroys my desired order. Just my opinion. BJ On 10/24/2011 4:05 PM, Derk & Lorraine Sherren wrote: > FTM, since the beginning, has not automatically put children in birth order > on the family page. The children are left in the order you enter them, > unless YOU change the order either by using the reorder symbol, or by > manually moving them up or down on the list. This, to me, is actually a good > feature. I might know the names and birth *order* of several children in a > family, BUT do not know their birth dates. I can enter them in the order I > want them on FTM, but at Ancestry (where automatic sorting is in effect) > they are immediately rearranged alphabetically, only because there is no > birth date. I would have to put in fictitious dates to get them in the > proper order, definitely not my preference. If you do want them to sort > chronologically on FTM, it's an easy move to click on the reorder symbol. > Once in a while, I do an Error report (Publish/Person Reports/Data Errors > Report) and select only "Children Out of Order" from Errors to Include, to > pick up any families I may have missed. >

> I assume that by records you mean facts and not the report that you get when you compact, which I assume counts name and the like as well, although there must for instance have been a change in the counting between FTM2009 and FTM2010 as I "lost: about 600,000 records. FTM 2012 shows those figure. I had 2008, was given 2009 for the reasons we all recall. I never did 2010 nor 2011. Now I have 2012 and run it alongside 16, but with different data files, obviously. > I moved to Macs prior to the release of the Mac version. We were told it > was written from the bottom up to exploit the Mac. Written for Intel based Macs that are natively 64 bit it is a 32 bit program and not even a Mac program, but a .Net application like the Windows version and only runs because it has a cross platform runtime library embodied. Four minutes for the filter dialogue box to come up, couldn't compact, couldn't export (files or gedcoms), couldn't even "set spouse order", runs out of memory in as little as ten minutes. > I am currently managing fairly well with FTM2010 running under Windows on > my Macs. I am waiting to see what happens with the next Mac version, but the likelihood is that however much I like FTM apart from performance I shall move to something else and never come back. At least other program producers attempt to fix problems and don't abandon a version after 12 months. It certainly seems that Ancestry.com considers the annual 'upgrade' to be their path of choice.

As far as I can recall, this has always been the case in FTM, it is not specific to FTM 2012 John Donaldson -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of aghatchett3rd@aim.com Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 3:52 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 New entries not in date order Not to my knowledge- unfortunately. Looks like an automatic sort by DOB would be a no-brainer... but then we *are* talking about FTM. -----Original Message----- From: Chasgustaf <Chasgustaf@aol.com> To: ftm-tech <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 10:11 pm Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 New entries not in date order Finally got 2012 to load and was able to get information loaded by doing a Gedcom. When I do a new census reference by hand, when adding a new child, the entry is NOT in date order. have to click on the reorder symbol. Is there a way to change that?

I'm sorry but I'm not experiencing this problem. I have a file open. On the Plan work area, I select a second file and select in a New Window. I see the program initialization dialog window. Eventually, a new FTM 2012 window opens showing the desired file. Is this how you are attempting to open the second file? If you are attempting to open by double clicking on the file name, you may have a problem. I had to reinstall FTM 2011 after I had installed FTM 2012. This caused the Windows file to be associated with FTM 2011. So when I attempt to open a FTM 2012 file, FTM 2011 is opened but doesn't recognize the file. So it offers to create a new tree. I'm running FTM 2012 build 388 under Windows 7 Pro on a 32-bit machine. BJ On 10/24/2011 2:18 PM, Daryl Rickards wrote: > Hi great wizards, > > > > I have noticed that if I have a tree open in FTM2012, then try to open > another tree in a new window - The FTM application initializing banner sits > there and if I minimise all windows back to my desktop I see a small window > which says tree does not exist > > Rubbish I say to this little window, close it and FTM opens with the Create > New Tree window. I then click on the tree I tried to open in a new window > previously and it does. I now have both my trees open and can move between > the both of them. > > This did not happen in FTM2011 where I could open trees in new windows > without any problems > > Why is this so ????? >

Caroline, FTM isn't my main program; I use FTM mainly for the relationship calculator. My main program is TMG, but with the continued lack of an update I've started evaluatung other programs as a possible replacement. I chose to look at FTM first because of its ability to directly import TMG files and because of the TreeSync feature. >From what I've seen so far FTM has some great features but... their implementation of those features sometimes leave a lot to be desired. The speed issue, inability to handle large files with lots of media, and the seemingly instability ( lots of crashes and having to re-install)are worrying. Btw- when I mention DOB order I meant as the default with an option to override - sort of teh reverse of what it is now. -----Original Message----- From: Caroline Gurney <caroline.gurney@gmail.com> To: ftm-tech <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 12:12 pm Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 New entries not in date order On 24 October 2011 05:51, <aghatchett3rd@aim.com> wrote: > > Not to my knowledge- unfortunately. Looks like an automatic sort by DOB would be a no-brainer... > but then we *are* talking about FTM. The last thing I would want is an automatic sort by DOB. I have families where I know the birth order but not all the dates of birth. With an automatic sort, all those without DOBs would be moved to the bottom of the list. As an aside, Andy, can you explain why you use FTM? I ask because you seem to have a pretty poor opinion of the program. Caroline Gurney www.carosfamily.com ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

David.. Well, yeah, I suppose... I didnt catch it... I wonder how many others missed it, too/// At any rate, it was a good giggle! Thanks! NancyT On 10/24/2011 12:06 PM, David C Abernathy wrote: > Boy did I blow it in the last email, [blush] > > "atomically" should have been "automatically" > > > Thanks, > David C Abernathy > Email disclaimers

I chose to look at FTM first because of its ability to directly import TMG files and because of the TreeSync feature. >From what I've seen so far FTM has some great features but... their >implementation of those features sometimes leave a lot to be desired. The speed issue, inability to handle large files with lots of media, and the seemingly instability ( lots of crashes and having to re-install)are worrying. The question of FTM 2012 and 'large files' is one which was near and dear to my heart. Release version 388 accommodates my file handily. I have a bit over 130,9XX unique names, plus about 5,XXX akas. My file doesn't have much media, I will admit - 677 to be precise, and none are very large - even so in comparison to FTM 16 which is my current, primary genie program, the file size reduction afforded by moving media out of the database file is very handy! I have about 52,XXX families, 191,XXX records and about 10,XXX sources. LARGE is a word used by many, with differing interpretations. I have not tried with release 388 yet, but have used databases of 250K, 450K and 845K people with FTM 16. I found that if one monitors memory usage by FTM 2012, you'll have a good clue as to how to improve its performance. If you use Task Manager, you can see just how much RAM the program is using. Opening the program without loading a file generates a moderately low memory usage, and has delivered the best performance for me. On the other hand, closing a data file (and keeping FTM 2012 open) often results in a significantly higher memory usage at that point and possible failure to complete with a large file. Once memory usage goes above some threshold, the probability of 'failure' skyrockets IMHO. If 2012 hits above 1.2M of RAM used (up to about 1.5M) then failure might be shortly at hand. An interesting sidelight is that the old limitation of only opening 2 different datasets (from FTM 16 anyway) is not there in 2012. At one point, I had 5 different datasets loaded at one time - an Intel Sandy Bridge i7 2600 processor and 16 GB of physical RAM are in my primary computer running Windows 7 Professional SP1. I have yet to try that with build 388, but expect its performance will be similar. John Okerson Memphis, TN

I have found the advantages of merging individuals and some of the other features worth the delays. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Susan Johanson Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:33 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] re-index of individuals hung up I figured that would probably be the answer. It gets a little faster each year but at this rate, it will probably be five more years before it's fast enough not to be annoying. ftm-tech-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > With the size file you have (my big one is 130,000 individuals), not much > you can do. Just compact the file every so often and be glad 2012 isn't as > slow as 2010. > > John& Kathleen > > -----Original Message----- > > Caroline, > I have had my sync sent to manual since the first day, and it still gets > hung up. It's not every time, but enough to be annoying. Any other things I > can try? > Susan -- --- Susan C. Johanson, Haymarket, VA http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/h/Susan-C-Johanson/ ...Searching for footprints in the sands of time... ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I figured that would probably be the answer. It gets a little faster each year but at this rate, it will probably be five more years before it's fast enough not to be annoying. ftm-tech-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > With the size file you have (my big one is 130,000 individuals), not much > you can do. Just compact the file every so often and be glad 2012 isn't as > slow as 2010. > > John& Kathleen > > -----Original Message----- > > Caroline, > I have had my sync sent to manual since the first day, and it still gets > hung up. It's not every time, but enough to be annoying. Any other things I > can try? > Susan -- --- Susan C. Johanson, Haymarket, VA http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=johanson http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/j/o/h/Susan-C-Johanson/ ...Searching for footprints in the sands of time...

Boy did I blow it in the last email, [blush] "atomically" should have been "automatically" Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David C Abernathy Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:13 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 New entries not in date order It has been this way for as long as I can remember. FTM is NOT the only one that does this, I run 3 different programs and none of them do any sort atomically. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chasgustaf@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:08 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 New entries not in date order Finally got 2012 to load and was able to get information loaded by doing a Gedcom. When I do a new census reference by hand, when adding a new child, the entry is NOT in date order. have to click on the reorder symbol. Is there a way to change that? ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It has been this way for as long as I can remember. FTM is NOT the only one that does this, I run 3 different programs and none of them do any sort atomically. Thanks, David C Abernathy Email disclaimers ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://www.SchmeckAbernathy.com == All outgoing and incoming mail is scanned by F-Prot Antivirus  == -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Chasgustaf@aol.com Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 8:08 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 New entries not in date order Finally got 2012 to load and was able to get information loaded by doing a Gedcom. When I do a new census reference by hand, when adding a new child, the entry is NOT in date order. have to click on the reorder symbol. Is there a way to change that? ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not to my knowledge- unfortunately. Looks like an automatic sort by DOB would be a no-brainer... but then we *are* talking about FTM. -----Original Message----- From: Chasgustaf <Chasgustaf@aol.com> To: ftm-tech <ftm-tech@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 23, 2011 10:11 pm Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2012 New entries not in date order Finally got 2012 to load and was able to get information loaded by doing a Gedcom. When I do a new census reference by hand, when adding a new child, the entry is NOT in date order. have to click on the reorder symbol. Is there a way to change that? ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Finally got 2012 to load and was able to get information loaded by doing a Gedcom. When I do a new census reference by hand, when adding a new child, the entry is NOT in date order. have to click on the reorder symbol. Is there a way to change that?