BJ Yes, it does help, it helps a great deal. I suppose what confuses me is the complaints of problems once the trees are sync'd. I've gone over and over my tree on my PC in order to make the transition to AMT as flawless as it can be. Ali ----- Original Message ----- From: BJ To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Facts - Family Work Space The facts you elect to display in the right panel on the Family work area has nothing to do with the facts which are synced. The facts displayed in the right panel is just a subset of all of your facts. To see what facts will be synced you need to view the facts you have in the Person work area. Preferred facts as well as alternate facts will be synced. They tend to be easily viewed in FTM but are rather obscure in the AMT. The thing to remember about the sync feature is the term "sync". This does not mean the two trees are identical and a perfect substitution for the other. They are different. The data base structures are different and there are differences between the information in the two trees. Examples are. The PC file has Research notes, tasks, reports and charts - none of these are in the AMT. In the PC file you have a "Relationship" record which allows you to link pictures and sources. The AMT does not support these links to pictures and sources. It simply points to children. "Sync" simply means Keeping the data or information the same in both trees. For an individual, all facts listed for that individual on the Person Facts work area are found in the AMT. Hope that helps. BJ On 11/1/2011 3:28 PM, Ali wrote: > Tom Herson's problem with Preferred facts brings to mind a problem that I foresee happening when I post my tree to Ancestry. > > What I'm referring to are facts in the panel on the right side of the Family work space. I have added 'Witnesses, Divorce, E'mail, and Descriptions for Birth, Baptism, Witness/Godparents, Death, Burial. > > > From what I have read so far, these may not sync neatly. I'm quite satisfied how I have set up that panel and have no wish to change it but when and if I post to Ancestry I will run into problems. >

> I'm interested in your details on how to get your tree in 'condition'. I create a GEDCOM, then compress it using 7-Zip. I upload the .zip file to WorldConnect, aka Rootsweb. There I have a filter set to remove notes, sources and about 8 other GEDCOM tags. Living people's information is removed and for me, that includes anyone born after 1898 for whom I do not have some death information. By enabling Gedcom User Full download, temporarily, I can download a 4 M file that started off at about 50 M. The resulting file I upload to Ancestry.com. I could give more detailed tag filter instruction IF you wish. A list is available at wiki-en.genealogy.net/GEDCOM-Tags if you need it. Does this help or hinder? John Okerson Memphis, TN

John Not so much pretty but convenient for me. I remember what happened a few versions ago when some facts were moved around and made no sense whatsoever when upgraded to the next version. I don't wish for this to happen this time around when using the sync feature. I'm interested in your details on how to get your tree in 'condition'. Ali ----- Original Message ----- From: John Okerson To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Facts - Family Work Space What I'm referring to are facts in the panel on the right side of the Family work space. I have added 'Witnesses, Divorce, E'mail, and Descriptions for Birth, Baptism, Witness/Godparents, Death, Burial. From what I have read so far, these may not sync neatly. I'm quite satisfied how I have set up that panel and have no wish to change it but when and if I post to Ancestry I will run into problems. My guess is that the concern is how the online tree will look, am I right? I have seen what looks 'pretty' on Ancestry.com but looks very jumbled in Family Tree Maker. While I am quite willing to share connections, I do NOT share sources nor the great majority of my Facts. To get my file to this 'condition' requires considerable maneuvering, and probably is of no interest to most. If anyone wants details, feel free to ask - it is NOT a secret. At the same time, I admit to like having my tree synched to Ancestry.com so that it would be available to me at any place or time. If I were you, I would make my tree work as you wish on your computer, period! Just my two cents worth! John Okerson Memphis, TN ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For those who just want to remove living individuals: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gumby/ged.html Use GEDLivng.exe Native Windows 95 version (runs fine in Windows XP & Windows 7 also) There are also other Gedcom Utilities there Courtney sitnah@cox.net

Tom Herson's problem with Preferred facts brings to mind a problem that I foresee happening when I post my tree to Ancestry. What I'm referring to are facts in the panel on the right side of the Family work space. I have added 'Witnesses, Divorce, E'mail, and Descriptions for Birth, Baptism, Witness/Godparents, Death, Burial. >From what I have read so far, these may not sync neatly. I'm quite satisfied how I have set up that panel and have no wish to change it but when and if I post to Ancestry I will run into problems. Ali

What I'm referring to are facts in the panel on the right side of the Family work space. I have added 'Witnesses, Divorce, E'mail, and Descriptions for Birth, Baptism, Witness/Godparents, Death, Burial. >From what I have read so far, these may not sync neatly. I'm quite >satisfied how I have set up that panel and have no wish to change it but >when and if I post to Ancestry I will run into problems. My guess is that the concern is how the online tree will look, am I right? I have seen what looks 'pretty' on Ancestry.com but looks very jumbled in Family Tree Maker. While I am quite willing to share connections, I do NOT share sources nor the great majority of my Facts. To get my file to this 'condition' requires considerable maneuvering, and probably is of no interest to most. If anyone wants details, feel free to ask - it is NOT a secret. At the same time, I admit to like having my tree synched to Ancestry.com so that it would be available to me at any place or time. If I were you, I would make my tree work as you wish on your computer, period! Just my two cents worth! John Okerson Memphis, TN

I think many of the complaints stem from users not understanding the function of the sync process. They are expecting the trees to be duplicates of each other. As for differences in media items, the AMT does not support relationship images. What it does is - upload the media item and links it to the two individuals. The other area has to do with the images obtained from Ancestry.com data bases. Examples of these images are Census images, Texas Death/Birth/Marriage Index images, World War I and II Draft Registration Card images and some others. These images should not be uploaded to the ATM. They remain in the PC file but not in the AMT. The reason - the AMT links directly to the records and their images. So it is not necessary for a copy to be in the Media Gallery. I have found some problems with this in that some images are uploaded while others are not. No real reason for the different way they are handled. Another common complaint is the fact that the links are between one tree and one computer. If that link ever breaks, there is no way to repair it. The user must start all over. BJ On 11/1/2011 5:09 PM, Ali wrote: > BJ > Yes, it does help, it helps a great deal. I suppose what confuses me is the complaints of problems once the trees are sync'd. I've gone over and over my tree on my PC in order to make the transition to AMT as flawless as it can be. > Ali > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BJ > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Facts - Family Work Space > > > The facts you elect to display in the right panel on the Family work > area has nothing to do with the facts which are synced. The facts > displayed in the right panel is just a subset of all of your facts. To > see what facts will be synced you need to view the facts you have in the > Person work area. Preferred facts as well as alternate facts will be > synced. They tend to be easily viewed in FTM but are rather obscure in > the AMT. > > The thing to remember about the sync feature is the term "sync". This > does not mean the two trees are identical and a perfect substitution for > the other. They are different. The data base structures are different > and there are differences between the information in the two trees. > Examples are. The PC file has Research notes, tasks, reports and charts > - none of these are in the AMT. In the PC file you have a > "Relationship" record which allows you to link pictures and sources. > The AMT does not support these links to pictures and sources. It simply > points to children. > > "Sync" simply means Keeping the data or information the same in both trees. > > For an individual, all facts listed for that individual on the Person > Facts work area are found in the AMT. > > Hope that helps. > > BJ > > On 11/1/2011 3:28 PM, Ali wrote: > > Tom Herson's problem with Preferred facts brings to mind a problem that I foresee happening when I post my tree to Ancestry. > > > > What I'm referring to are facts in the panel on the right side of the Family work space. I have added 'Witnesses, Divorce, E'mail, and Descriptions for Birth, Baptism, Witness/Godparents, Death, Burial. > > > > > From what I have read so far, these may not sync neatly. I'm quite satisfied how I have set up that panel and have no wish to change it but when and if I post to Ancestry I will run into problems. > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4589 - Release Date: 11/01/11 > >

Thanks to John, BJ, and Judy. BJ's response, as usual, seems the most workable to me. MY specail Fact of Newspaper Items is not the only Fact that requires such special handling. Residence is one other and I'm sure there are more. Judy, I undersrtand perfectly what you're saying and I know a newspaper item is not a fact but that is how I wish to proceed. Thanks for all your help. Tom Herson Ithaca NY On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 11:16 AM, John Okerson <johnokerson@gmail.com> wrote: >> Is there a way to make more than one fact with the same Fact Name >> preferred? > > I believe the short answer is no.  However, you could have a different Fact > name for those Facts info pieces you wish to use.  Would that work? > Newspaper Item 1, Newspaper Item 2, etc. > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The facts you elect to display in the right panel on the Family work area has nothing to do with the facts which are synced. The facts displayed in the right panel is just a subset of all of your facts. To see what facts will be synced you need to view the facts you have in the Person work area. Preferred facts as well as alternate facts will be synced. They tend to be easily viewed in FTM but are rather obscure in the AMT. The thing to remember about the sync feature is the term "sync". This does not mean the two trees are identical and a perfect substitution for the other. They are different. The data base structures are different and there are differences between the information in the two trees. Examples are. The PC file has Research notes, tasks, reports and charts - none of these are in the AMT. In the PC file you have a "Relationship" record which allows you to link pictures and sources. The AMT does not support these links to pictures and sources. It simply points to children. "Sync" simply means Keeping the data or information the same in both trees. For an individual, all facts listed for that individual on the Person Facts work area are found in the AMT. Hope that helps. BJ On 11/1/2011 3:28 PM, Ali wrote: > Tom Herson's problem with Preferred facts brings to mind a problem that I foresee happening when I post my tree to Ancestry. > > What I'm referring to are facts in the panel on the right side of the Family work space. I have added 'Witnesses, Divorce, E'mail, and Descriptions for Birth, Baptism, Witness/Godparents, Death, Burial. > > > From what I have read so far, these may not sync neatly. I'm quite satisfied how I have set up that panel and have no wish to change it but when and if I post to Ancestry I will run into problems. >

I approach this question from a different direction. Newspaper items are not facts, they are sources that contain facts. I create fact names based on the information in the article (if necessary), then use the newspaper article as the source. For example I have an article announcing that my grandmother was named salutatorian of her HS graduating class. I created a fact name called Honors, entered the date, place and put the type of honor in the description. Then I used the newspaper article as the source. Another article tells that my great-grandmother was elected president of the ladies auxiliary of the Grange. I made a fact name Leadership. Many fact names can be extracted from a wedding notice: name of church, name of officiant, names of witnesses, etc. all with the article as the single source. In the case of my grandmother above, if I had more than one honor to record for her, we would be back to your original question with two facts named Honors. But you still would have greatly reduced the number of instances of this problem, and would be using the database in a way that could prove to be more productive for you in the end, particularly if you wish to print a bibliography. Where you do end up with multiple uses of a fact name, you could make some of your alternate facts private. Then when you create your report you can exclude private facts and use the Facts to Include dialog box to create exactly the report you want. Judy in Ocala -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of TH Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 10:41 AM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] Preferred Facts Is there a way to make more than one fact with the same Fact Name preferred? I have added a new Fact called Newspaper Item. I often have more than one newspaper item as a Fact for an individual. It would be nice to designate this new Fact as "Preferred" each time I use it for an individual when creating and printing reports. I know that I can opt NOT to use only preferred facts, but that option forces me to display all the alternates for a particular fact. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is there a way to make more than one fact with the same Fact Name preferred? I have added a new Fact called Newspaper Item. I often have more than one newspaper item as a Fact for an individual. It would be nice to designate this new Fact as "Preferred" each time I use it for an individual when creating and printing reports. I know that I can opt NOT to use only preferred facts, but that option forces me to display all the alternates for a particular fact. Tom Herson Ithaca, NY

> Is there a way to make more than one fact with the same Fact Name > preferred? I believe the short answer is no. However, you could have a different Fact name for those Facts info pieces you wish to use. Would that work? Newspaper Item 1, Newspaper Item 2, etc.

There is no way to mark more than one Fact label as the Preferred fact. On most reports there is a way to print all entries of a fact label without printing all fact labels for every fact. Let me use an example. I enter multiple Census records. One is marked as the Preferred Census. I want to generate a report showing all entries of the Census but not for any other fact. I'll use the Custom Report to illustrate. 1. Click Publish, Person Reports, Custom Report. 2. Specify the individuals to be included in the report 3. Click the icon for Items to include. 4. Remove the check marks for the notes. 5. Ensure the option at the top, "Include only Preferred Facts" has a check mark. 6. In the left pane, use the list of facts to include the facts you want. In my case, I added the Census fact. 7. Highlight each fact in the list of facts to be included and click on the box *"Fact" Options* 8. I review each fact ensuring the Fact option to "include only Preferred Fact" is checked. 9. I review the Census fact's Options but ensure its "Include only Preferred Fact" is NOT checked. 10. Click OK and generate the report. You should have a report which lists all the census items but only the Preferred fact for everything else. Hope that helps. BJ On 11/1/2011 7:41 AM, TH wrote: > Is there a way to make more than one fact with the same Fact Name > preferred? I have added a new Fact called Newspaper Item. I often have > more than one newspaper item as a Fact for an individual. It would be > nice to designate this new Fact as "Preferred" each time I use it for > an individual when creating and printing reports. I know that I can > opt NOT to use only preferred facts, but that option forces me to > display all the alternates for a particular fact. > > Tom Herson > Ithaca, NY > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1834 / Virus Database: 2092/4588 - Release Date: 10/31/11 > >

> Once you get it cleaned up, though, you shouldn't have any further > problems. It is still a question of IF I shall use 2012 as a primary genealogy program in the future. I have been busy editing my 16 file using the Place Name Authority within 2012. By a variety of methods, I have whittled my list of 'places' from about 30,000 when I started to only 21,5XX at this point. I still have quite a ways to go before I am willing to toss in the towel and resolve the remaining mass of places - might have said MESS of places, but thought better of it. The PNA in 2012 seems quite useful, though imperfect. It has allowed me to find a multitude of errors I made, and many that others passed along to me. Sadly, I had chosen the same / as a divider between county names, when a city appears in multiple counties. I have worked on replacing that / with \ instead and am happy with the results although the PNA disavows the name that way.

> No, it should appear as Okerson, John 2nd. What happened net of the import, is that the suffix was brought in as the Surname, NOT as the Suffix! GRRRRR

> When you have one of these in view, go to the Right Hand Panel I the > Family View and click in the name field. A little pencil icon will appear. Click on that and you can then put 2nd in the Suffix field where it belongs. Since I usually run both FTM versions at the same time, in half screen mode, I did not NOTICE the little pencil option. In 2012, it works exactly as you describe. Thanks! > Did these names display correctly in the Index in FTM 16? Yes indeed. He would show up as John Okerson, 2nd in FTM 16. There is no suffix field available in 16. I suppose I shall have to learn to live with military titles preceding individuals names. Oh well.

I had a couple of hundred that imported as 63/0/0. All I could do was sort the index by Birthdate, and 63/0/0 mixed in with Unknown. At least that way, I could find all of them and delete the date. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John Okerson Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 2:37 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] anyone else who has upgraded from FTM 16 to FTM 2012 ??? If so, do you have ANY folks within your file from FTM 16 whose birthdate, marriage date or relationship to a parent is marked as Private? If you did, would you examine the resulting import into FTM 2012 build 388 and post what you might see, PLEASE! 63/0/0 is a MOST unusual birth date to me. I have submitted this difficulty to Ancestry.com already, but would like to see if ANYONE else has had this problem too. John Okerson Memphis, TN ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a few JR & SR in my database and that also happened to me. I am not sure if using the slashes in FTM 16 would have resolved the issue or not as I thought I had used them.... Once you get it cleaned up, though, you shouldn't have any further problems. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, New York Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys Monroe County, New York History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys -----Original Message----- From: John Okerson Sent: Monday, 31 October, 2011 2:34 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] 2012 handling of names and Titles > No, it should appear as Okerson, John 2nd. What happened net of the import, is that the suffix was brought in as the Surname, NOT as the Suffix! GRRRRR

I would like to have either of these versions report the number of people from each County, State, Country combination within my database, or alternatively City, County, State, Country where identical places are used. My desire is to obtain a report of 75 folks in Shelby County, Tennessee, USA, 5 in Shelby County, Missouri, USA and so forth. Including the people's names is NOT desired as I have over 130,000 people involved. I would like to be able to have FTM take the number of folks, place it within a map of the country or state, individually selectable, and produce a graphical map of any state, showing each county, its name and the number of folks from there. I am indifferent as to whether the report shows birth location, death location or marriage location, but being able to select which Fact is used would be nice to have IMHO. Anyone else interested in such a thing? John Okerson Memphis, TN

If so, do you have ANY folks within your file from FTM 16 whose birthdate, marriage date or relationship to a parent is marked as Private? If you did, would you examine the resulting import into FTM 2012 build 388 and post what you might see, PLEASE! 63/0/0 is a MOST unusual birth date to me. I have submitted this difficulty to Ancestry.com already, but would like to see if ANYONE else has had this problem too. John Okerson Memphis, TN