The only difference between item 1 versus items 2 and 3 is whether you have previously used the "Copy" for a source-citation. If you have previously copied a source-citation, then you have the options, 2 and 3. If you have not previously copied a source-citation, they you can use item 1 to select the source-citation and either "Link To Citation" (same as item 3) or "Create New Copy" (same as item 2). It all boils down to flexibility within the program of where you start the process. Personally, I find using Copy/Paste to be easier than using the Existing Source Citation method. In fact I use it so much that I had to search to find where you had found the "Use Existing Source Citation" option. :-) I hope that answers your question. BJ On 12/4/2011 5:38 AM, Barb Januscheitis wrote: > What is difference between > 1. Use Existing Source Citation, > 2. Paste Duplicate Source Citation > 3. Paste Link to Source Citation > > I use #1 unless I want to make changes in the source citation for the > fact I am attaching it to, then I use #2. I'm not clear what #3 does > that is different from #1. >

Thank you for trying the experiment. What version of FTM are you using? What you describe is exactly what I'm experiencing also. Unfortunately, it isn't what Jay is experiencing and that's why he is so frustrated. BJ On 12/4/2011 5:29 AM, John Boyd wrote: > Jay/BJ > > Just tried creating a new test file. When I entered the birth location for > my father, the Fast Field list showed El Campo, Wharton, Texas, USA. When I > selected that and hit enter, the USA disappeared from the place listing in > the Birth Fact. I then tried with my mother. Tahoka popped up Tahoka, > Lynn, Texas, USA in the Fast Field list. Selecting that and hitting Enter > put Tahoka, Lynn, Texas in the place field for Birth. > > The Places tab now lists two locations, both resolved, and neither > displaying the USA > > Having the USA show up in the Fast Field list makes sense, since there are > lots of places around the world with the same town name. You need to be > able to select the right one, including country. Once selected, the USA is > just not displayed, but is still kept as the right country location. >

Send it if you don't mind. BJ On 12/3/2011 6:24 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: > BJ, > > New Tree With Fast Fact on, USA off > Entered Me. > Born in Cass County, Indiana. (Resolved Immediately- No USA) > Went to Places- only place was Cass County, Indiana resolved > Entered my father. > Born in Ca (Fast Fact suggested Cass County, Indiana, USA) > Accepted ( Cass County, Indiana, USA was entered) > Went to Places (now two entries- Cass County, Indiana resolved and Cass County, > Indiana, USA unresolved) > > I can send you this little file if you want. > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: BJ<bhamilton3@cox.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 8:38:02 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Jay, > > Can you try this using a new data base. Create a New data base with one > persons. Enter a fact and input a place. Places from the PNA should > begin being displayed after you type the first character. Enter a > non-resolved place name. Now resolve the place name. Enter a new fact > using the same place name, and describe your observations. > > BJ > > On 12/3/2011 4:19 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: >> I agree, John, in fact I have that place associated with almost 6000 people. >> All >> instances have been resolved to one place name. But if the USA is supposed to >> be >> turned off why does the Fast Fact enter it when I opt for the suggestion? >> Alternately, why doesn't the Fast Fact show the name without the USA on the >> end? >> >> Jay Thompson >> just an old genealogy nut >> too tough to crack. >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: John Boyd<johnhboyd@earthlink.net> >> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 7:05:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration >> >> Fast Facts shows place names that are currently used someplace in your file. >> It doesn't care if the place names meet the requirements for PNA or not. >> So, if a place name shows up in the suggested list, including the USA, that >> means that you still have that name in your file someplace including the >> USA. >> >> John& Kathleen >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Thompson Jay >> Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:22 PM >> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration >> >> Russ, >> See comments interspersed. BTW I am using FTM2012, build 388. >> >> Maybe I'm messing something up. >> If anyone would like to try and duplicate this: >> 1. Turn off USA and turn on Fast Facts >> 2. Enter a new person name. >> 3. Enter enough of a known resolved place name that the Fast Fact kicks in. >> Is the USA on the end? >> 4. select the Fast Fact offering. >> Is the USA on the end? >> 5. Go to "Places". >> Is the place name now listed twice? One resolved without the USA and one >> unresolved with the USA? >> >> Jay Thompson >> just an old genealogy nut >> too tough to crack. >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: H R Worthington<rworthington@att.net> >> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 3:43:46 PM >> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration >> >> Jay, >> >> First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. True, it is >> off >> >> For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts >> and >> >> Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. >> >> When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and >> offer what you have used before. Currently, all Cass County, Indiana, USAs >> have been resolved to Cass County, Indiana (USA turned off), >> >> and Cass County, Indiana is the only entry in the PNA list. So, Cass >> County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. >> But why, when I have the USA turned offdoes the program enter "Cass County, >> Indiana, USA" AND call it unresolved? >> >> Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, >> USA as >> >> the Resolved Place Name.Then that is a program problem that needs to be >> addressed if it is being advertised >> >> that the program will recognize "County, Township, Borough, etc. >> >> You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in >> use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report?Yes, I am doing >> that now. >> But I don't want to have to spend 2 or 3 weeks every few months going thru >> it replacing the unresolved >> >> (with the USA on the end) with the resolved (without the USA). The correct >> resolved place name is already in the list. >> The unresolved place name is not in the list (until the Fast Fact offers it >> and I choose it) >> >> Russ >> >> ___________________________ >> >> >> Mailto:rworthington@att.net >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Thompson Jay<jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> >> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration >> >> Thank you, BJ, >> As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, >> Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to >> a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program >> suggests Cass >> >> >> County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept >> Cass >> >> >> County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, >> Indiana, >> >> >> USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a >> new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. 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I actually prefer it that way but if you want them at the top you can use the arrows to move the children in any order you want them to appear. Linda in Costa Rica Monroe County, New York Genealogy http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys Monroe County, New York History http://freepages.history.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~monroenys -----Original Message----- From: John Okerson Sent: Saturday, 03 December, 2011 6:28 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: [FTM-TECH] sorting children by birthdate in 2012 build 388 Having come from FTM 16, I was accustomed to having children sorted with by birthdate, with those with NO birth date at the top of the list. In 2012, those same unbirth-dated folks appear at the bottom of the list of children. Did this change early on in the 2008-2011 series and I missed it or ??? Thanks in advance! John Okerson Memphis, TN

OK, that I understand. I have had resolved, but non-standard place names show the flag for not resolved for a few seconds, but then the flag disappears. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of BJ Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 7:31 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration The problem isn't with the USA. The problem is although Jay has resolved the place name in use, when he selects that place name for future use, it is input as a non-resolved place name. This should not be. I have tested it and cannot duplicate Jay's problem. If the Place name is resolved, you do not have to delete the USA. For Resolved Place names, the USA can be controlled by the Tools/Options/"Names/Dates/Places"/Place options. If you have that option set to on, only the non-resolved place names would show the USA. BJ

Fast Fact, in general, shows place names that are already in use in your file. I have seen it show place names that are not in use, but meet the general rules of the PNA, which includes using the USA. Accept it, and then delete the , USA before hitting Enter. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thompson Jay Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 6:20 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration I agree, John, in fact I have that place associated with almost 6000 people. All instances have been resolved to one place name. But if the USA is supposed to be turned off why does the Fast Fact enter it when I opt for the suggestion? Alternately, why doesn't the Fast Fact show the name without the USA on the end? Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: John Boyd <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 7:05:20 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Fast Facts shows place names that are currently used someplace in your file. It doesn't care if the place names meet the requirements for PNA or not. So, if a place name shows up in the suggested list, including the USA, that means that you still have that name in your file someplace including the USA. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thompson Jay Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:22 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Russ, See comments interspersed. BTW I am using FTM2012, build 388. Maybe I'm messing something up. If anyone would like to try and duplicate this: 1. Turn off USA and turn on Fast Facts 2. Enter a new person name. 3. Enter enough of a known resolved place name that the Fast Fact kicks in. Is the USA on the end? 4. select the Fast Fact offering. Is the USA on the end? 5. Go to "Places". Is the place name now listed twice? One resolved without the USA and one unresolved with the USA? Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 3:43:46 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Jay, First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. True, it is off For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts and Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and offer what you have used before. Currently, all Cass County, Indiana, USAs have been resolved to Cass County, Indiana (USA turned off), and Cass County, Indiana is the only entry in the PNA list. So, Cass County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. But why, when I have the USA turned offdoes the program enter "Cass County, Indiana, USA" AND call it unresolved? Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, USA as the Resolved Place Name.Then that is a program problem that needs to be addressed if it is being advertised that the program will recognize "County, Township, Borough, etc. You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report?Yes, I am doing that now. But I don't want to have to spend 2 or 3 weeks every few months going thru it replacing the unresolved (with the USA on the end) with the resolved (without the USA). The correct resolved place name is already in the list. The unresolved place name is not in the list (until the Fast Fact offers it and I choose it) Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Thompson Jay <jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Thank you, BJ, As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program suggests Cass County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept Cass County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, Indiana, USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is frustrating! ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having come from FTM 16, I was accustomed to having children sorted with by birthdate, with those with NO birth date at the top of the list. In 2012, those same unbirth-dated folks appear at the bottom of the list of children. Did this change early on in the 2008-2011 series and I missed it or ??? Thanks in advance! John Okerson Memphis, TN

BJ, New Tree With Fast Fact on, USA off Entered Me. Born in Cass County, Indiana. (Resolved Immediately- No USA) Went to Places- only place was Cass County, Indiana resolved Entered my father. Born in Ca (Fast Fact suggested Cass County, Indiana, USA) Accepted ( Cass County, Indiana, USA was entered) Went to Places (now two entries- Cass County, Indiana resolved and Cass County, Indiana, USA unresolved) I can send you this little file if you want. Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: BJ <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 8:38:02 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Jay, Can you try this using a new data base. Create a New data base with one persons. Enter a fact and input a place. Places from the PNA should begin being displayed after you type the first character. Enter a non-resolved place name. Now resolve the place name. Enter a new fact using the same place name, and describe your observations. BJ On 12/3/2011 4:19 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: > I agree, John, in fact I have that place associated with almost 6000 people. >All > instances have been resolved to one place name. But if the USA is supposed to >be > turned off why does the Fast Fact enter it when I opt for the suggestion? > Alternately, why doesn't the Fast Fact show the name without the USA on the >end? > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Boyd<johnhboyd@earthlink.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 7:05:20 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Fast Facts shows place names that are currently used someplace in your file. > It doesn't care if the place names meet the requirements for PNA or not. > So, if a place name shows up in the suggested list, including the USA, that > means that you still have that name in your file someplace including the > USA. > > John& Kathleen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Thompson Jay > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:22 PM > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Russ, > See comments interspersed. BTW I am using FTM2012, build 388. > > Maybe I'm messing something up. > If anyone would like to try and duplicate this: > 1. Turn off USA and turn on Fast Facts > 2. Enter a new person name. > 3. Enter enough of a known resolved place name that the Fast Fact kicks in. > Is the USA on the end? > 4. select the Fast Fact offering. > Is the USA on the end? > 5. Go to "Places". > Is the place name now listed twice? One resolved without the USA and one > unresolved with the USA? > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: H R Worthington<rworthington@att.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 3:43:46 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Jay, > > First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. True, it is > off > > For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts > and > > Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. > > When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and > offer what you have used before. Currently, all Cass County, Indiana, USAs > have been resolved to Cass County, Indiana (USA turned off), > > and Cass County, Indiana is the only entry in the PNA list. So, Cass > County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. > But why, when I have the USA turned offdoes the program enter "Cass County, > Indiana, USA" AND call it unresolved? > > Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, > USA as > > the Resolved Place Name.Then that is a program problem that needs to be > addressed if it is being advertised > > that the program will recognize "County, Township, Borough, etc. > > You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in > use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report?Yes, I am doing > that now. > But I don't want to have to spend 2 or 3 weeks every few months going thru > it replacing the unresolved > > (with the USA on the end) with the resolved (without the USA). The correct > resolved place name is already in the list. > The unresolved place name is not in the list (until the Fast Fact offers it > and I choose it) > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Thompson Jay<jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Thank you, BJ, > As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, > Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to > a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program > suggests Cass > > > County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept > Cass > > > County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, > Indiana, > > > USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a > new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is > frustrating! > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4654 - Release Date: 12/03/11 > > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Fast Facts shows place names that are currently used someplace in your file. It doesn't care if the place names meet the requirements for PNA or not. So, if a place name shows up in the suggested list, including the USA, that means that you still have that name in your file someplace including the USA. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thompson Jay Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:22 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Russ, See comments interspersed. BTW I am using FTM2012, build 388. Maybe I'm messing something up. If anyone would like to try and duplicate this: 1. Turn off USA and turn on Fast Facts 2. Enter a new person name. 3. Enter enough of a known resolved place name that the Fast Fact kicks in. Is the USA on the end? 4. select the Fast Fact offering. Is the USA on the end? 5. Go to "Places". Is the place name now listed twice? One resolved without the USA and one unresolved with the USA? Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 3:43:46 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Jay, First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. True, it is off For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts and Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and offer what you have used before. Currently, all Cass County, Indiana, USAs have been resolved to Cass County, Indiana (USA turned off), and Cass County, Indiana is the only entry in the PNA list. So, Cass County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. But why, when I have the USA turned offdoes the program enter "Cass County, Indiana, USA" AND call it unresolved? Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, USA as the Resolved Place Name.Then that is a program problem that needs to be addressed if it is being advertised that the program will recognize "County, Township, Borough, etc. You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report?Yes, I am doing that now. But I don't want to have to spend 2 or 3 weeks every few months going thru it replacing the unresolved (with the USA on the end) with the resolved (without the USA). The correct resolved place name is already in the list. The unresolved place name is not in the list (until the Fast Fact offers it and I choose it) Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Thompson Jay <jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Thank you, BJ, As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program suggests Cass County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept Cass County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, Indiana, USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is frustrating! ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ok Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: BJ <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 8:38:02 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Jay, Can you try this using a new data base. Create a New data base with one persons. Enter a fact and input a place. Places from the PNA should begin being displayed after you type the first character. Enter a non-resolved place name. Now resolve the place name. Enter a new fact using the same place name, and describe your observations. BJ On 12/3/2011 4:19 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: > I agree, John, in fact I have that place associated with almost 6000 people. >All > instances have been resolved to one place name. But if the USA is supposed to >be > turned off why does the Fast Fact enter it when I opt for the suggestion? > Alternately, why doesn't the Fast Fact show the name without the USA on the >end? > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Boyd<johnhboyd@earthlink.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 7:05:20 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Fast Facts shows place names that are currently used someplace in your file. > It doesn't care if the place names meet the requirements for PNA or not. > So, if a place name shows up in the suggested list, including the USA, that > means that you still have that name in your file someplace including the > USA. > > John& Kathleen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Thompson Jay > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:22 PM > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Russ, > See comments interspersed. BTW I am using FTM2012, build 388. > > Maybe I'm messing something up. > If anyone would like to try and duplicate this: > 1. Turn off USA and turn on Fast Facts > 2. Enter a new person name. > 3. Enter enough of a known resolved place name that the Fast Fact kicks in. > Is the USA on the end? > 4. select the Fast Fact offering. > Is the USA on the end? > 5. Go to "Places". > Is the place name now listed twice? One resolved without the USA and one > unresolved with the USA? > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: H R Worthington<rworthington@att.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 3:43:46 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Jay, > > First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. True, it is > off > > For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts > and > > Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. > > When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and > offer what you have used before. Currently, all Cass County, Indiana, USAs > have been resolved to Cass County, Indiana (USA turned off), > > and Cass County, Indiana is the only entry in the PNA list. So, Cass > County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. > But why, when I have the USA turned offdoes the program enter "Cass County, > Indiana, USA" AND call it unresolved? > > Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, > USA as > > the Resolved Place Name.Then that is a program problem that needs to be > addressed if it is being advertised > > that the program will recognize "County, Township, Borough, etc. > > You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in > use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report?Yes, I am doing > that now. > But I don't want to have to spend 2 or 3 weeks every few months going thru > it replacing the unresolved > > (with the USA on the end) with the resolved (without the USA). The correct > resolved place name is already in the list. > The unresolved place name is not in the list (until the Fast Fact offers it > and I choose it) > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Thompson Jay<jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Thank you, BJ, > As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, > Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to > a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program > suggests Cass > > > County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept > Cass > > > County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, > Indiana, > > > USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a > new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is > frustrating! > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4654 - Release Date: 12/03/11 > > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jay, Can you try this using a new data base. Create a New data base with one persons. Enter a fact and input a place. Places from the PNA should begin being displayed after you type the first character. Enter a non-resolved place name. Now resolve the place name. Enter a new fact using the same place name, and describe your observations. BJ On 12/3/2011 4:19 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: > I agree, John, in fact I have that place associated with almost 6000 people. All > instances have been resolved to one place name. But if the USA is supposed to be > turned off why does the Fast Fact enter it when I opt for the suggestion? > Alternately, why doesn't the Fast Fact show the name without the USA on the end? > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: John Boyd<johnhboyd@earthlink.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 7:05:20 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Fast Facts shows place names that are currently used someplace in your file. > It doesn't care if the place names meet the requirements for PNA or not. > So, if a place name shows up in the suggested list, including the USA, that > means that you still have that name in your file someplace including the > USA. > > John& Kathleen > > -----Original Message----- > From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Thompson Jay > Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:22 PM > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Russ, > See comments interspersed. BTW I am using FTM2012, build 388. > > Maybe I'm messing something up. > If anyone would like to try and duplicate this: > 1. Turn off USA and turn on Fast Facts > 2. Enter a new person name. > 3. Enter enough of a known resolved place name that the Fast Fact kicks in. > Is the USA on the end? > 4. select the Fast Fact offering. > Is the USA on the end? > 5. Go to "Places". > Is the place name now listed twice? One resolved without the USA and one > unresolved with the USA? > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: H R Worthington<rworthington@att.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 3:43:46 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Jay, > > First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. True, it is > off > > For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts > and > > Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. > > When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and > offer what you have used before. Currently, all Cass County, Indiana, USAs > have been resolved to Cass County, Indiana (USA turned off), > > and Cass County, Indiana is the only entry in the PNA list. So, Cass > County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. > But why, when I have the USA turned offdoes the program enter "Cass County, > Indiana, USA" AND call it unresolved? > > Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, > USA as > > the Resolved Place Name.Then that is a program problem that needs to be > addressed if it is being advertised > > that the program will recognize "County, Township, Borough, etc. > > You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in > use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report?Yes, I am doing > that now. > But I don't want to have to spend 2 or 3 weeks every few months going thru > it replacing the unresolved > > (with the USA on the end) with the resolved (without the USA). The correct > resolved place name is already in the list. > The unresolved place name is not in the list (until the Fast Fact offers it > and I choose it) > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:rworthington@att.net > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Thompson Jay<jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> > To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration > > Thank you, BJ, > As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, > Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to > a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program > suggests Cass > > > County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept > Cass > > > County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, > Indiana, > > > USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a > new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is > frustrating! > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4654 - Release Date: 12/03/11 > >

The problem isn't with the USA. The problem is although Jay has resolved the place name in use, when he selects that place name for future use, it is input as a non-resolved place name. This should not be. I have tested it and cannot duplicate Jay's problem. If the Place name is resolved, you do not have to delete the USA. For Resolved Place names, the USA can be controlled by the Tools/Options/"Names/Dates/Places"/Place options. If you have that option set to on, only the non-resolved place names would show the USA. BJ On 12/3/2011 4:30 PM, John Boyd wrote: > Fast Fact, in general, shows place names that are already in use in your > file. I have seen it show place names that are not in use, but meet the > general rules of the PNA, which includes using the USA. Accept it, and then > delete the , USA before hitting Enter. > > > -----Original Message----- > Jay wrote: > > I agree, John, in fact I have that place associated with almost 6000 people. > All instances have been resolved to one place name. But if the USA is > supposed to be turned off why does the Fast Fact enter it when I opt for the > suggestion? > Alternately, why doesn't the Fast Fact show the name without the USA on the > end? >

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I agree, John, in fact I have that place associated with almost 6000 people. All instances have been resolved to one place name. But if the USA is supposed to be turned off why does the Fast Fact enter it when I opt for the suggestion? Alternately, why doesn't the Fast Fact show the name without the USA on the end? Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: John Boyd <johnhboyd@earthlink.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 7:05:20 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Fast Facts shows place names that are currently used someplace in your file. It doesn't care if the place names meet the requirements for PNA or not. So, if a place name shows up in the suggested list, including the USA, that means that you still have that name in your file someplace including the USA. John & Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:ftm-tech-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Thompson Jay Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2011 4:22 PM To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Russ, See comments interspersed. BTW I am using FTM2012, build 388. Maybe I'm messing something up. If anyone would like to try and duplicate this: 1. Turn off USA and turn on Fast Facts 2. Enter a new person name. 3. Enter enough of a known resolved place name that the Fast Fact kicks in. Is the USA on the end? 4. select the Fast Fact offering. Is the USA on the end? 5. Go to "Places". Is the place name now listed twice? One resolved without the USA and one unresolved with the USA? Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 3:43:46 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Jay, First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. True, it is off For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts and Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and offer what you have used before. Currently, all Cass County, Indiana, USAs have been resolved to Cass County, Indiana (USA turned off), and Cass County, Indiana is the only entry in the PNA list. So, Cass County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. But why, when I have the USA turned offdoes the program enter "Cass County, Indiana, USA" AND call it unresolved? Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, USA as the Resolved Place Name.Then that is a program problem that needs to be addressed if it is being advertised that the program will recognize "County, Township, Borough, etc. You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report?Yes, I am doing that now. But I don't want to have to spend 2 or 3 weeks every few months going thru it replacing the unresolved (with the USA on the end) with the resolved (without the USA). The correct resolved place name is already in the list. The unresolved place name is not in the list (until the Fast Fact offers it and I choose it) Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Thompson Jay <jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Thank you, BJ, As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program suggests Cass County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept Cass County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, Indiana, USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is frustrating! ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Russ, See comments interspersed. BTW I am using FTM2012, build 388. Maybe I'm messing something up. If anyone would like to try and duplicate this: 1. Turn off USA and turn on Fast Facts 2. Enter a new person name. 3. Enter enough of a known resolved place name that the Fast Fact kicks in. Is the USA on the end? 4. select the Fast Fact offering. Is the USA on the end? 5. Go to "Places". Is the place name now listed twice? One resolved without the USA and one unresolved with the USA? Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: H R Worthington <rworthington@att.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 3:43:46 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Jay, First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. True, it is off For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts and Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and offer what you have used before. Currently, all Cass County, Indiana, USAs have been resolved to Cass County, Indiana (USA turned off), and Cass County, Indiana is the only entry in the PNA list. So, Cass County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. But why, when I have the USA turned offdoes the program enter "Cass County, Indiana, USA" AND call it unresolved? Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, USA as the Resolved Place Name.Then that is a program problem that needs to be addressed if it is being advertised that the program will recognize "County, Township, Borough, etc. You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report?Yes, I am doing that now. But I don't want to have to spend 2 or 3 weeks every few months going thru it replacing the unresolved (with the USA on the end) with the resolved (without the USA). The correct resolved place name is already in the list. The unresolved place name is not in the list (until the Fast Fact offers it and I choose it) Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Thompson Jay <jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Thank you, BJ, As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program suggests Cass County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept Cass County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, Indiana, USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is frustrating! ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jay, First, you can turn USA on or Off, in the Tools, Option menu. For data Entry, I keep it turned ON, then turn it OFF when working on Charts and Reports.This keeps my data consistent and I can control the output. When you start to enter data, like "Cas" the Fast Fact will kick in and offer what you have used before. So, Cass County, Indiana, USA is likely to show up. Might the problem be that the PNA authority expects to see Cass, Indiana, USA as the Resolved Place Name. You may have some Facts with the Place Name that you may not want still in use by someone. Have you looked at your Place Name Report? Russ ___________________________ Mailto:rworthington@att.net ________________________________ From: Thompson Jay <jaydarlene@sbcglobal.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 1:08:39 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration Thank you, BJ, As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program suggests Cass County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept Cass County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, Indiana, USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is frustrating!

Ok, Thank you as always. Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: BJ <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, December 3, 2011 10:35:45 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration I can't duplicate your experience but I know there have been some issues reported to the development team. This may be one of them and will hopefully be fixed soon. Sorry I can't be of more help. BJ On 12/2/2011 10:08 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: > Thank you, BJ, > As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, > Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to a > new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program suggests >Cass > County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept >Cass > County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, >Indiana, > USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a new > Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is frustrating! > > ________________________________ > BJ wrote: > > I'm not sure whether anyone has answered your question satisfactorily or > not. I just tested the adding of new names with the following > observations. When you are inputting a place in the Place Name field, > you are presented with a drop down list of place names which may or may > not fit your needs. > > 1. If the place name has never been entered in your data base, FTM > 2012 offers the nearest suggestions from the Place Name Authority > data base. The list may expand or reduce as you input more > characters in the name. > 2. If the place name has been entered before and is in you list of > Place Names, the drop down list will display names of places > currently in your data base as well as suggestions from the PNA. > 3. If you have selected the option to not display a country, in your > case USA, the names in the list which are from the PNA will show the > USA. > 4. If you enter a Place name including the subdivision type such as > County, Parish, Township, Borough, etc., the Place Name will be > flagged as not resolved. However, after the place name has been > resolved, you may insert one of these subdivision types and it will > not be marked as not resolved. > 5. If you have place names in your data base which are almost identical > to a resolved place name but which are not resolved, they will be > shown in the drop down list. If you select it, the new entry will > not be resolved. > 6. When you resolve a Place Name, you receive a dialog box to confirm > the replacement. There are two options - Change All entries or > Change only this entry (the default option). If you elect to Change > all, the non-resolved Place Name will no longer be displayed in the > drop down list. If you elect to Change only this entry, the > non-resolved Place Name will continue to be displayed in the drop > down list because other facts are still using it. > > As you are entering the place name, review the list of suggested > names. Select the place name that matches. If the Place name is not > resolved, Resolve it. Once it is Resolved, you can enter County and the > Place Name will continue to be resolved. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I can't duplicate your experience but I know there have been some issues reported to the development team. This may be one of them and will hopefully be fixed soon. Sorry I can't be of more help. BJ On 12/2/2011 10:08 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: > Thank you, BJ, > As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, > Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to a > new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program suggests Cass > County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept Cass > County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, Indiana, > USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a new > Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is frustrating! > > ________________________________ > BJ wrote: > > I'm not sure whether anyone has answered your question satisfactorily or > not. I just tested the adding of new names with the following > observations. When you are inputting a place in the Place Name field, > you are presented with a drop down list of place names which may or may > not fit your needs. > > 1. If the place name has never been entered in your data base, FTM > 2012 offers the nearest suggestions from the Place Name Authority > data base. The list may expand or reduce as you input more > characters in the name. > 2. If the place name has been entered before and is in you list of > Place Names, the drop down list will display names of places > currently in your data base as well as suggestions from the PNA. > 3. If you have selected the option to not display a country, in your > case USA, the names in the list which are from the PNA will show the > USA. > 4. If you enter a Place name including the subdivision type such as > County, Parish, Township, Borough, etc., the Place Name will be > flagged as not resolved. However, after the place name has been > resolved, you may insert one of these subdivision types and it will > not be marked as not resolved. > 5. If you have place names in your data base which are almost identical > to a resolved place name but which are not resolved, they will be > shown in the drop down list. If you select it, the new entry will > not be resolved. > 6. When you resolve a Place Name, you receive a dialog box to confirm > the replacement. There are two options - Change All entries or > Change only this entry (the default option). If you elect to Change > all, the non-resolved Place Name will no longer be displayed in the > drop down list. If you elect to Change only this entry, the > non-resolved Place Name will continue to be displayed in the drop > down list because other facts are still using it. > > As you are entering the place name, review the list of suggested > names. Select the place name that matches. If the Place name is not > resolved, Resolve it. Once it is Resolved, you can enter County and the > Place Name will continue to be resolved.

Thank you, BJ, As usual, very concise. Here is the test that I just did. Cass County, Indiana(no "USA) is a resolved place name (just did it last night). I go to a new person and start to type in the birthplace. C-a-s. The program suggests Cass County, Indiana, USA. It does not suggest Cass County, Indiana. If I accept Cass County, Indiana, USA (hoping the USA will not show), I get Cass County, Indiana, USA. If I then go to Places, I have my resolved Cass County, Indiana AND a new Cass County, Indiana, USA that is unresolved. That is what is frustrating! Jay Thompson just an old genealogy nut too tough to crack. ________________________________ From: BJ <bhamilton3@cox.net> To: ftm-tech@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, December 2, 2011 11:32:31 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] PNA frustration I'm not sure whether anyone has answered your question satisfactorily or not. I just tested the adding of new names with the following observations. When you are inputting a place in the Place Name field, you are presented with a drop down list of place names which may or may not fit your needs. 1. If the place name has never been entered in your data base, FTM 2012 offers the nearest suggestions from the Place Name Authority data base. The list may expand or reduce as you input more characters in the name. 2. If the place name has been entered before and is in you list of Place Names, the drop down list will display names of places currently in your data base as well as suggestions from the PNA. 3. If you have selected the option to not display a country, in your case USA, the names in the list which are from the PNA will show the USA. 4. If you enter a Place name including the subdivision type such as County, Parish, Township, Borough, etc., the Place Name will be flagged as not resolved. However, after the place name has been resolved, you may insert one of these subdivision types and it will not be marked as not resolved. 5. If you have place names in your data base which are almost identical to a resolved place name but which are not resolved, they will be shown in the drop down list. If you select it, the new entry will not be resolved. 6. When you resolve a Place Name, you receive a dialog box to confirm the replacement. There are two options - Change All entries or Change only this entry (the default option). If you elect to Change all, the non-resolved Place Name will no longer be displayed in the drop down list. If you elect to Change only this entry, the non-resolved Place Name will continue to be displayed in the drop down list because other facts are still using it. As you are entering the place name, review the list of suggested names. Select the place name that matches. If the Place name is not resolved, Resolve it. Once it is Resolved, you can enter County and the Place Name will continue to be resolved. Hope this helps. BJ On 11/29/2011 7:43 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: > Help, > I either need enlightenment or something to relieve frustration. > In People>Tools>Options>Names,Dates,Places, I am in the process of going >through > and resolving each place name. My preference is to not have "USA" shown and I > have it so entered in the Place Options. I also have the "Check place authority > when entering place names" checked. I also choose to enter Township and County > in the place name. If I resolve a place name, the "USA" goes away and the PNA > accepts the Township and County. The next time I start to enter that place >name, > the correct suggested place name has the "USA" at the end and, if I accept it, > the "USA" is there AND it starts a new entry in the PNA AND is unresolved! Also > if I don't accept the suggestion and spell out the entire name, the PNA will > still put the "USA" on the end and call it unresolved. > Now it is not on my list of favorite things to do to enter a hundred new people > and then spend a week resolving the place names (I have about 4000 with 37500 > people). If Ancestry is going to say you can leave off the "USA", then the > suggestor should leave it off. And if they are going to say the PNA will accept > those suffixes then it should accept them. > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in > the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >toFTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4647 - Release Date: 11/29/11 > > ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ Version 2008 - 2011 http://ftm.custhelp.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm not sure whether anyone has answered your question satisfactorily or not. I just tested the adding of new names with the following observations. When you are inputting a place in the Place Name field, you are presented with a drop down list of place names which may or may not fit your needs. 1. If the place name has never been entered in your data base, FTM 2012 offers the nearest suggestions from the Place Name Authority data base. The list may expand or reduce as you input more characters in the name. 2. If the place name has been entered before and is in you list of Place Names, the drop down list will display names of places currently in your data base as well as suggestions from the PNA. 3. If you have selected the option to not display a country, in your case USA, the names in the list which are from the PNA will show the USA. 4. If you enter a Place name including the subdivision type such as County, Parish, Township, Borough, etc., the Place Name will be flagged as not resolved. However, after the place name has been resolved, you may insert one of these subdivision types and it will not be marked as not resolved. 5. If you have place names in your data base which are almost identical to a resolved place name but which are not resolved, they will be shown in the drop down list. If you select it, the new entry will not be resolved. 6. When you resolve a Place Name, you receive a dialog box to confirm the replacement. There are two options - Change All entries or Change only this entry (the default option). If you elect to Change all, the non-resolved Place Name will no longer be displayed in the drop down list. If you elect to Change only this entry, the non-resolved Place Name will continue to be displayed in the drop down list because other facts are still using it. As you are entering the place name, review the list of suggested names. Select the place name that matches. If the Place name is not resolved, Resolve it. Once it is Resolved, you can enter County and the Place Name will continue to be resolved. Hope this helps. BJ On 11/29/2011 7:43 PM, Thompson Jay wrote: > Help, > I either need enlightenment or something to relieve frustration. > In People>Tools>Options>Names,Dates,Places, I am in the process of going through > and resolving each place name. My preference is to not have "USA" shown and I > have it so entered in the Place Options. I also have the "Check place authority > when entering place names" checked. I also choose to enter Township and County > in the place name. If I resolve a place name, the "USA" goes away and the PNA > accepts the Township and County. The next time I start to enter that place name, > the correct suggested place name has the "USA" at the end and, if I accept it, > the "USA" is there AND it starts a new entry in the PNA AND is unresolved! Also > if I don't accept the suggestion and spell out the entire name, the PNA will > still put the "USA" on the end and call it unresolved. > Now it is not on my list of favorite things to do to enter a hundred new people > and then spend a week resolving the place names (I have about 4000 with 37500 > people). If Ancestry is going to say you can leave off the "USA", then the > suggestor should leave it off. And if they are going to say the PNA will accept > those suffixes then it should accept them. > > Jay Thompson > just an old genealogy nut > too tough to crack. > > > > > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker > Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008 - 2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toFTM-TECH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG -www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4647 - Release Date: 11/29/11 > >