BJ, For databases (read records) that aren't obvious I go directly to the Card Catalogue (last option of the main search command on the top line). I find using keywords to search those databases gets good results. Rosemary On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 7:31 PM, BJ <[email protected]> wrote: > You asked whether John could find the information based upon the > citation. I don't think you can but I could be wrong so if it is as > easy as you say please provide me with the exact steps you took to > access the record so that I can duplicate them and find the > documentation. I would be very interested in how you were able to go > directly to the American Civil War Regiments collection on > Ancestry.com. Since it is an online data base, one of the tenants of an > online data base is the ability to search it. > > I was able to get to the American Civil War Regiments collection but not > through Ancestry.com. I had to Google - American Civil War Regiments > collection on Ancestry.com. I did get a match for that search but that > isn't using the link provided by you in your citation - > > (www.ancestry.com) > > > BJ > > On 12/16/2013 3:45 PM, H R Worthington wrote: > > BJ, > > > > Up wouldn't search based on a citation !!!! > > > > This a record collection on Ancestry.com that is records from Historical > Data Systems. The collection is American Civil War Regisments, and online > database at Ancestry, of the Eleventh Cavalry Kansas and I accessed it 18 > May 2012. > > > > "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives > (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems > of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas > (3-years) > >> Russ > > ___________________________ > > > > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: BJ <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:05 PM > > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source > > > > > > No, at least not easily. The link takes you to a search web page but > > you are lacking the information needed to perform the search. Plus there > > is no way to select a specific data base to search. It would be much > > better to include the URL results of the search which point to the > > specific record. The only problem with the search URL is their length > > which often includes all of the search criteria. Someone once made a > > good suggestion of generating a TinyURL for the address. > > > > While I'm not in favor of including URL to smaller personal web sites, > > Ancestry.com tends to be more stable and therefore longer lasting. > > > > Just my opinion. > > > > BJ > > > > On 12/16/2013 10:56 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > >> John, > >> > >> Can you find this information, based on this Reference Note: > >> > >> "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives ( > www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems > of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas > (3-years). > >> > >> > >> >From FTM2014 and the Template Format? > >> > >> ________________________________ > >> John Okerson wrote: > >> > >> How would the group feel about using the url where the data was found > within Ancestry.com? The database name would be subject to change, but .... > >> > >> Other thoughts on this topic please. > > ********************************** > > List information page > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > > > Version 2008 - 2012 > > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > > List information page > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > > > Version 2008 - 2012 > > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you. That worked and I'll have to remember that for the next time. BJ On 12/16/2013 8:19 PM, Rosemary Jones wrote: > BJ, > > For databases (read records) that aren't obvious I go directly to the Card > Catalogue (last option of the main search command on the top line). I find > using keywords to search those databases gets good results. >

You asked whether John could find the information based upon the citation. I don't think you can but I could be wrong so if it is as easy as you say please provide me with the exact steps you took to access the record so that I can duplicate them and find the documentation. I would be very interested in how you were able to go directly to the American Civil War Regiments collection on Ancestry.com. Since it is an online data base, one of the tenants of an online data base is the ability to search it. I was able to get to the American Civil War Regiments collection but not through Ancestry.com. I had to Google - American Civil War Regiments collection on Ancestry.com. I did get a match for that search but that isn't using the link provided by you in your citation - (www.ancestry.com) BJ On 12/16/2013 3:45 PM, H R Worthington wrote: > BJ, > > Up wouldn't search based on a citation !!!! > > This a record collection on Ancestry.com that is records from Historical Data Systems. The collection is American Civil War Regisments, and online database at Ancestry, of the Eleventh Cavalry Kansas and I accessed it 18 May 2012. > > "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas (3-years) >> Russ > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: BJ <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:05 PM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source > > > No, at least not easily. The link takes you to a search web page but > you are lacking the information needed to perform the search. Plus there > is no way to select a specific data base to search. It would be much > better to include the URL results of the search which point to the > specific record. The only problem with the search URL is their length > which often includes all of the search criteria. Someone once made a > good suggestion of generating a TinyURL for the address. > > While I'm not in favor of including URL to smaller personal web sites, > Ancestry.com tends to be more stable and therefore longer lasting. > > Just my opinion. > > BJ > > On 12/16/2013 10:56 AM, H R Worthington wrote: >> John, >> >> Can you find this information, based on this Reference Note: >> >> "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas (3-years). >> >> >> >From FTM2014 and the Template Format? >> >> ________________________________ >> John Okerson wrote: >> >> How would the group feel about using the url where the data was found within Ancestry.com? The database name would be subject to change, but .... >> >> Other thoughts on this topic please. > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

BJ, Up wouldn't search based on a citation !!!!   This a record collection on Ancestry.com that is records from Historical Data Systems. The collection is American Civil War Regisments, and online database at Ancestry, of the Eleventh Cavalry Kansas and I accessed it 18 May 2012.  "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas (3-years) > >Russ ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: BJ <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source No, at least not easily.  The link takes you to a search web page but you are lacking the information needed to perform the search. Plus there is no way to select a specific data base to search.  It would be much better to include the URL results of the search which point to the specific record.  The only problem with the search URL is their length which often includes all of the search criteria. Someone once made a good suggestion of generating a TinyURL for the address. While I'm not in favor of including URL to smaller personal web sites, Ancestry.com tends to be more stable and therefore longer lasting. Just my opinion. BJ On 12/16/2013 10:56 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > John, > > Can you find this information, based on this Reference Note: > > "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas (3-years). > > > >From FTM2014 and the Template Format? > > ________________________________ > John Okerson wrote: > > How would the group feel about using the url where the data was found within Ancestry.com?  The database name would be subject to change, but .... > > Other thoughts on this topic please. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No, at least not easily. The link takes you to a search web page but you are lacking the information needed to perform the search. Plus there is no way to select a specific data base to search. It would be much better to include the URL results of the search which point to the specific record. The only problem with the search URL is their length which often includes all of the search criteria. Someone once made a good suggestion of generating a TinyURL for the address. While I'm not in favor of including URL to smaller personal web sites, Ancestry.com tends to be more stable and therefore longer lasting. Just my opinion. BJ On 12/16/2013 10:56 AM, H R Worthington wrote: > John, > > Can you find this information, based on this Reference Note: > > "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas (3-years). > > > >From FTM2014 and the Template Format? > > ________________________________ > John Okerson wrote: > > How would the group feel about using the url where the data was found within Ancestry.com? The database name would be subject to change, but .... > > Other thoughts on this topic please.

> Can you find this information, based on this Reference Note: "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas (3-years). Sadly, I cannot. I am NOT skilled in searching this way either, but ....

I should have mentioned that I'm using v2012. I've been using FTM since the days of Banner Blue, but like others, I stuck with v2006/16. I've finally made the transition to v2012. If I want to export all individuals from a report, say a kinship report, isn't there a way in which I can include the parents of the individuals shown in that report even though they don't actually appear on it? It seems like I was able to do so ten or so years ago, but I wouldn't have a clue as to how to do it at this point. Thanks for your help.

John, What am I citing and where did I find it? What or who did I find. That is what a Citation is to tell you so that you can find it again. Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: John Okerson <[email protected]> To: H R Worthington <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source > Can you find this information, based on this Reference Note: "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas (3-years). Sadly, I cannot.  I am NOT skilled in searching this way either, but ....

Arnie: 1900 U.S. census, population schedule, Colorado, Bent County, Bent, Las Animas; enumeration district 2-3 sheet number 3-B; Carson Avenue; dwelling number 57; family number 58; Lines 63 - 64; Samuel Whittall Worthington household;  FHL microfilm: 1240121; NARA microfilm publication T623, roll 121; digital image, Ancestry.com (www.ancestry.com). Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: Arnie-Krause <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source What I do for all of my sourcing is to use the original source. If it is a census then I enter the full name of the census. An example of this is shown below: "Ref: 1851 Census, Saint Stephen Parish, Charlotte Co., NB, p84, age 6 1861 Census, St. Stephen Parish(lower), Chalotte Co., NB, p117, age 18" This allows a person to use whatever repository that has these census to check the accuracy of my data and to also view what other families may be present in close proximity to the given family. I would not use the URL as that is subject to change. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Arnold E. Krause 1611 Arlington Ave., Saskatoon, Sask., CANADA, S7H 2Y6 Tel: (306) 374-3348 email address: [email protected] Homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/arnie-krause/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Okerson Sent: 16 December, 2013 9:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source > Ancestry.com is like a Library. In no way would a person say the > source was the Library of Congress or any local library they may have gone to in order to view a census for example. Ancestry.com is like a repository and that should never be used as a source. How would the group feel about using the url where the data was found within Ancestry.com?  The database name would be subject to change, but .... Other thoughts on this topic please. John Okerson Lakeland, TN ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

John, Can you find this information, based on this Reference Note: "American Civil War Regiments", Online Database, The National Archives (www.ancestry.com), accessed: 18 May 2012; citing Historical Data Systems of Kingston, Massachusetts. Regimental History; Eleventh Cavalry Kansas (3-years). From FTM2014 and the Template Format? Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: John Okerson <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source > Ancestry.com is like a Library. In no way would a person say the source > was the Library of Congress or any local library they may have gone to in order to view a census for example. Ancestry.com is like a repository and that should never be used as a source. How would the group feel about using the url where the data was found within Ancestry.com?  The database name would be subject to change, but .... Other thoughts on this topic please. John Okerson Lakeland, TN ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What I do for all of my sourcing is to use the original source. If it is a census then I enter the full name of the census. An example of this is shown below: "Ref: 1851 Census, Saint Stephen Parish, Charlotte Co., NB, p84, age 6 1861 Census, St. Stephen Parish(lower), Chalotte Co., NB, p117, age 18" This allows a person to use whatever repository that has these census to check the accuracy of my data and to also view what other families may be present in close proximity to the given family. I would not use the URL as that is subject to change. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Arnold E. Krause 1611 Arlington Ave., Saskatoon, Sask., CANADA, S7H 2Y6 Tel: (306) 374-3348 email address: [email protected] Homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/arnie-krause/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Okerson Sent: 16 December, 2013 9:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source > Ancestry.com is like a Library. In no way would a person say the > source was the Library of Congress or any local library they may have gone to in order to view a census for example. Ancestry.com is like a repository and that should never be used as a source. How would the group feel about using the url where the data was found within Ancestry.com? The database name would be subject to change, but .... Other thoughts on this topic please. John Okerson Lakeland, TN ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Ancestry.com is like a Library. In no way would a person say the source > was the Library of Congress or any local library they may have gone to in order to view a census for example. Ancestry.com is like a repository and that should never be used as a source. How would the group feel about using the url where the data was found within Ancestry.com? The database name would be subject to change, but .... Other thoughts on this topic please. John Okerson Lakeland, TN

Ancestry.com is like a Library. In no way would a person say the source was the Library of Congress or any local library they may have gone to in order to view a census for example. Ancestry.com is like a repository and that should never be used as a source. All Ancestry.com wants is the advertising. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Arnold E. Krause 1611 Arlington Ave., Saskatoon, Sask., CANADA, S7H 2Y6 Tel: (306) 374-3348 email address: [email protected] Homepage: http://members.shaw.ca/arnie-krause/index.htm ------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of H R Worthington Sent: 16 December, 2013 7:33 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source ewolf4 But Ancestry.com IS the Source of that information. If you go to the Sources Workspace, you will see that you will have many Source Groups, each Source Groups will have many citations. Why do you want to eliminate where you go the information from? Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: rewolf4 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:06 AM Subject: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source When I merge information found on Ancestry.com, into my offline tree, Ancestry.com becomes a "Source" for every bit of information merged.  When I verify that information thru other sources, I have to go back and eliminate each and every one of the "Ancestry.com" sources.  Is there any way to prevent "Ancestry.com" from appearing as a "Source"?  I am using FTM 2014. ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Web Search Merge Wizard presents the information it has found in Ancestry.com record along with its recommendation as to how to include the information. The user has great flexibility and the ultimate control over this process. For example: First the user can elect to not merge the information from the match. In that case, you can elect to Ignore the record and FTM will no longer display it as a possible match or Hint. If the user elects to merge the match, the user can 1. Elect to ignore a specific individual. In this case nothing is merged and no source is generated for that individual. 2. Elect to Add a specific individual. In this case, the user accepts the Merge Wizard's recommendation including the source and source-citation information. 3. Merge with an existing individual. In this case, the user is offered more choices. Each potentially bit of information is presented and the user can 1. Accept it as the Primary fact - in that case the source-citation is included. 2. Accept it as an Alternate fact - the source-citation is included. 3. Discard the fact - in this case the user can include the source-citation or discard the source-citation. Other than those choices, you cannot disregard or eliminate the source-citation; however, you can take some additional steps to make it easier to subsequently remove the source-citation if you don't want it. Perhaps if I describe my methodology, it will present some ideas which you may use. * I do not merge any information from Ancestry.com's Public trees because much of the information is of very poor quality and is not documented. If I find something I want to add for future follow up, I selectively add the information along with a Source-citation stating it came from an Ancestry.com Public tree including the Tree name and owner. I use only one source and source-citation. This way once I find other documentation, I only have to delete that one source and all source-citations are also removed. * While merging matching information from the Ancestry.com's data bases, I may change the Source-citation information to suit my standards or to make it more easily found. I do this by Editing the Source information. I may add an asterisk + space at the beginning of the Source name. This causes it to sort to the top of the list of sources where it is easily found and if I want, I can delete the source name which also deletes all of its source-citations. * Alternately, I can Edit the source name or the source-citation to meet my documentation standards by changing the Citation Detail and Citation Text information. * I also rename the media image information which may be downloaded by renaming the file name to match my naming standards. * Once the merge is complete, I immediately click on the Source tab and go to the Sources work area. I find the Source and the Source-citation. Depending upon whether the source title has other source-citations or not o If the Source Title only has this single source-citation and I don't want the documentation, I highlight the source title in the left panel, click the right mouse button and select Delete source. This removes the Source record and all linked source-citations. o If the Source Title has additional source-citations which I want to keep, then I select the source-citation I don't want and delete it. This removes the source-citation and all links to any facts. * Since FTM has added the ability to Copy/Paste facts, I have changed my methodology of Web Merging of Census and similar records a little. o I elect to only merge the matching record to a single individual. o I edit the source, source-citation and media name to meet my naming standards. o I edit the fact to meet my standards such as common date, Place, Description and Note. o I then Copy that fact and Paste it to other individuals. o I find this methodology more efficient and more standardized. I hope this has answered your question and perhaps given you a little food for thought. BJ On 12/16/2013 2:06 AM, rewolf4 wrote: > When I merge information found on Ancestry.com, into my offline tree, > Ancestry.com becomes a "Source" for every bit of information merged. > When I verify that information thru other sources, I have to go back and > eliminate each and every one of the "Ancestry.com" sources. Is there > any way to prevent "Ancestry.com" from appearing as a "Source"? I am > using FTM 2014. >

ewolf4 But Ancestry.com IS the Source of that information. If you go to the Sources Workspace, you will see that you will have many Source Groups, each Source Groups will have many citations. Why do you want to eliminate where you go the information from? Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: rewolf4 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 5:06 AM Subject: [FTM-TECH] Eliminate Ancestry.com as a source When I merge information found on Ancestry.com, into my offline tree, Ancestry.com becomes a "Source" for every bit of information merged.  When I verify that information thru other sources, I have to go back and eliminate each and every one of the "Ancestry.com" sources.  Is there any way to prevent "Ancestry.com" from appearing as a "Source"?  I am using FTM 2014.

When I merge information found on Ancestry.com, into my offline tree, Ancestry.com becomes a "Source" for every bit of information merged. When I verify that information thru other sources, I have to go back and eliminate each and every one of the "Ancestry.com" sources. Is there any way to prevent "Ancestry.com" from appearing as a "Source"? I am using FTM 2014.

> If I want to export all individuals from a report, say a kinship report, isn't there a way in which I can include the parents of the individuals shown in that report even though they don't actually appear on it? It seems like I was able to do so ten or so years ago, but I wouldn't have a clue as to how to do it at this point. Thanks for your help. Showing the parents of the individuals was a feature/option within FTM 16/2006. Sadly, it has NOT come into the new series of the program. I do not know if one was able to export them merely because they were listed in the report though. John Okerson Lakeland, TN

If I want to export all individuals from a report, say a kinship report, isn't there a way in which I can include the parents of the individuals shown in that report even though they don't actually appear on it? It seems like I was able to do so ten or so years ago, but I wouldn't have a clue as to how to do it at this point. Thanks for your help.

JMyersIII, What version of Family Tree Maker are you using? Did you check the Help Menu under Export or Branch? Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2013 5:57 AM Subject: [FTM-TECH] Exporting individuals from a report If I want to export all individuals from a report,  say a kinship report, isn't there a way in which I can include the parents of  the individuals shown in that report even though they don't actually appear on  it?  It seems like I was able to do so ten or so years ago, but I wouldn't  have a clue as to how to do it at this point. 

Hi Russ,, I'm back. Please see my comments in ALL CAPS, only to stand out. Again, I'm most grateful for your help. Joan ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joan Parker <[email protected]> Date: Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 2:09 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] ANOTHER PROBLEM NOW Icon rather than correct Media image To: H R Worthington <[email protected]>, [email protected] Wow, talk about turn around time. Russ, thanks for that, but it's after 2AM so I'll bid you good night and review your comments tomorrow when I'll try to remember what I did when and how. Trouble is I was trying to fix it by doing this, that and the other. Good night, Joan On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 1:30 AM, H R Worthington <[email protected]>wrote: > Joan, > > Please see my comments: > > Russ > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: Joan Parker <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 1:13 AM > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] ANOTHER PROBLEM NOW Icon rather than correct Media > image > > > < snip > > > On my Windows 8 screen I have 2012 and 2014. As well as their automatic > backups. For some reason I opened 2012 and it showed it as 2014. OK, no > surprise there I thought. > > ==> You know, of course, that the Automatic Back Ups do NOT include your > Media Files, only the Data > NO I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PROBABLY BECAUSE I DON'T USUALLY OPEN THEM. > > > ==> HOW did you see that "it" showed 2014? Where were you looking? > > Anyway I accessed the file a few times when out of the blue up popped a > message about the file not being converted. First time I came across that > message from the time I downloaded the 2014 CD and all the times I accessed > the 2014 file without the pictures. So, I clicked on the convert file > button and Lo and Behold every picture showed up. > > ==> sounds like the "opened 2012" was a correct statement, if you were > asked to convert the file AND make a Back UP of the FTM2012 file so it > could be opened by FTM2012 and a new FTM2014 file created. > BUT THE NEW FILE WAS CREATED BEFORE I GOT THE MESSAGE ABOUT CONVERTING. > > > ==> Is it possible that you opened the Automatic Back Up that second time? > I REALLY DON'T KNOW NOW. AS I SAID I WAS CLICKING HERE, THERE AND > EVERYWHERE, OPENING AND CLOSING FILES WHICH PROBABLY REALLY MADE A MESS OF > THINGS. > > > ==> Are you downloading FTM2014 or INSTALLING FTM2014 from the CD? > DEFINITELY THE CD. I HAVE BOTH 2012 AND 2014 CD. > > > Huh? ???? Nowhere does it say anything about converting the file when I > looked about converting the file and that includes the Companion Guide.. > > ==> Yes, when you open a FTM2012 file with FTM2014 is MUST BE CONVERTED. > As I said earlier, you will also be offered the option to create a FTM2012 > version of that file as well as creating a FTM2014 file. > AH BUT THE PROBLEM NOW IS THAT 2012 WILL NOT OPEN ON MY COMPUTER. I GET > THE ARROW AND THE HOUR GLASS--NOTHING. TRYING TO OPEN THE SHORTCUT GET THE > ERROR MESSAGE RE THE DRIVE BEING UNAVAILABLE. > > > Moving on: I was delighted that the pictures are there. I wanted to > copy/move them to my external USB for additional safe keeping BUT!!! Now > that I've moved the file or shortcut (by copy I think) to my Toshiba > external drive, that's the only way I can access the file. Shortcut is on > the screen but will only open as long as my Toshiba is connected. If not, > the error message pops up about: drive or network unavailable . Make sure > disk is inserted, etc. > > ==> not sure what you are putting on the External Drive. Why do you want > the media files on the external drive? > BECAUSE OF BACK-UP/SAFETY. > > > Well, I've caused myself enough problems' (a little knowledge is a > dangerous thing?) so I hesitate to insert the 2014 CD as 2012 won't open my > current file in case I had to access the file from there to transfer to > 2014.\ > > ==> WHY do you want to insert the FTM2012 or FTM2014 Installation CD if > they are already installed on our computer? > I THOUGHT TO UNDO THE MESS I CREATED, SORT OF START FROM SCRATCH SO TO > SPEAK, > BUT IF I RE-INSTALLED 2014 AND 2012 IS NOTACCESIBLE WOULD 2014 OPEN WITH > OR WITHOUT MY FAMILY PICTURES? OR WOULDN'T 2014 JUST OPEN TO CREATE NEW, > NOTOPEN A FAMILY FILE? > > HOWEVER OVENIGHT A THOUGHT ENTERED MY MIND. ON MY OTHER COMPUTER WINDOWS > XP IS 2012 COMPLETE WITH THE FAMILY PHOTOS. I THOUGHT TO COPY IT TO A USB > DRIVE AND PASTE IT IN THIS COMPUTER WINDOWS 8 AND THEN RE-DL 2014. WOULD > THAT WORK DO YOU THINK? > > > IN OTHER WORDS IF I DL'D 2012 FROM THE CD INTO THIS COMPUTER AND PASTED > THE FAMILY FILE HERE WOULD IT OPEN SINCE THE ACTUAL 2012 SOFTWARE IS NOW ON > THIS COMPUTER? IF IT OPENED WITH MY FAMILY FILE THEN I COULD DL 2014 AND > CONVERT? I HOPE I'M MAKING MYSELF CLEAR. BUT NO MATTER WHAT I WROTE OR > WHAT I THINK MAY FIX THIS. OBVIOUSLY YOU ARE MUCH MORE KNOWLEDGABLE THAN > I. > > AGAIN,MANY THANKS FOR WHATEVR SOLUITON YOU CAN COME UP WITH AND FOR TAKING > THE TIME TO EVEN HELP!!!. > > REGARDS, > > JOAN > > > > > > > > So, FTM TECH HELP gurus and others on the list, what now? Do I dare insert > the CD or just live with accessing via the Toshiba? > > > ==> Just trying to understand what you are trying to do. > > Russ > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FTM-TECH-reques[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >