As others have said, FTM 2014 installs and works well under Windows 8.1. Have you used the FTM 2014 DVD to install it before on another operating system? Have you tried to install FTM 2014 from this DVD on another machine? Since this is a new computer, I'm assuming that no version of FTM has been installed on it before. One thing you might try. Copy the Contents of the DVD to your hard disk and try to install it from there. Once you have it installed you can remove the folder holding the items you copied from the DVD. Good luck. BJ On 1/13/2014 10:31 AM, John Hope wrote: > I have a new computer with Windows 8.1 and tried to load my FTM 2014 DVD but > could not.My Geek Squad advisor phoned Ancestry and found it is compatible > with 8 and not 8.1. even though it came out this past fall. Does anyone know > if Ancestry is planning a newer version?

John, FTM2014 will run very well on your new Windows 8.1 PC. Either there is a problem with your PC or scratches on the DVD. But you should be able to Install from the CD like any other program. Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: John Hope <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] FTM 2014 I have a new computer with Windows 8.1 and tried to load my FTM 2014 DVD but could not.My Geek Squad advisor phoned Ancestry and found it is  compatible with 8 and not 8.1. even though it came out this past fall. Does anyone know if Ancestry is planning a newer version? ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Apologies for the late reply, but I’d just like to say thank you to John Okerson, Russ, John Maynard, BJ, Dave A and Laura for their helpful replies regarding my questions about upgrading from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014. Thank you, also to the List Admin for managing to get me sorted out & Jim (Hope) for forwarding all the replies to me. No doubt I’ll soon be screaming for help again sometime soon !! ???? Thank you, all. Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent http://peajaykayspatch.blogspot.com/

On 1/9/2014 1:00 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Online Support for Family Tree Maker Version 16 and earlier > http://pastftm.custhelp.com/ > > Version 2008-2011 > http://ftm.custhelp.com/ > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Slow opening Of FTM 2014 on Laptop (Len Enlow) > 2. Re: Upgrading FTM (JIM HOPE) > 3. Re: Upgrading FTM (John Maynard) > 4. copy a sub-tree from a tree (Bruce King) > 5. Re: copy a sub-tree from a tree (H R Worthington) > 6. Re: copy a sub-tree from a tree (John Donaldson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 09:11:29 -0800 > From: "Len Enlow" <[email protected]> > Subject: [FTM-TECH] Slow opening Of FTM 2014 on Laptop > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Has anyone had problems with slow opening of a file on FTM 2014 after applying the patch that brought FTM up to 22.0.0.1243? I even had a problem applying that patch. I first got an error message that said that it could not update since there was a file already on the laptop with the same name. I tried right click and run as administrator and that did not work. Knowledge base said try running the update from the link in the knowledge base, this worked. But when it opened FTM 2014 it came up like a brand new install, asking to start a new tree. It did list my files but did not open the last file that I had been on. It did open my file after I clicked on it to open. > Finally after opening all my other files (3 of them) and closing, it remembered. > Now the opening, it took 30 seconds to show the splash screen and sat there initializing for 2 minutes before the file opened. This compares with my desktop that takes 5 sec for splash screen and 45 seconds to open the file (same file). File is 3,352 people and 1,061 media. Both laptop and desktop Win 7 64 bit with 6 GB ram. > Len > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 14:42:28 -0500 > From: JIM HOPE <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Upgrading FTM > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Pat has asked me to let the list know that she is grateful for the > replies to her email below, however, she is having trouble receiving > list mail and I have forwarded your replies to her. She is going to > digest your comments and reply in person when the list servers let her > send & receive again. Please accept her apology for not answering herself. > Jim > > > On 07/01/2014 2:24 PM, PJK :o) wrote: >> Hello list, >> >> I have been using Family Tree Maker 2005 on both my laptop (OS = XP) & my >> desk top pc since it came out. Because the desk top has Vista, I had to >> download a patch to enable FTM 2005 to work. >> >> However, I've recently upgraded my lap top & as it has Windows 8, I know >> that FTM 2005 isn't compatible & there isn't a patch to make it so. >> >> Because of this, I'm looking into upgrading from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014, which >> I know I can use with Vista & Windows 8. However, I'm concerned about the >> transfer of data from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014. >> >> Will any of it be lost ? Will all the notes, pictures etc. still be there ? >> I'd rather keep it all on my Vista desk top pc than lose some of it because, >> like most of you, I've spent years on my tree. >> >> However - again !! - I know that I'll eventually have to upgrade my desk top >> pc from Vista to Windows 8 or the OS that's brought out when it needs >> replacing - so I'd like to have a genealogy programme that's going to be >> compatible for quite a few years. If you know what I mean :o) >> >> I'd be grateful for any advice before I go ahead & buy FTM 2014 - or another >> version if that's what you'd recommend. >> >> Thank you :o) >> >> Pat.xxx :o)) >> A Maid of Kent >> http://peajaykayspatch.blogspot.com/ >> >> ********************************** >> List information page >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html >> >> Version 2008 - 2012 >> http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 09:07:26 +1100 > From: John Maynard <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] Upgrading FTM > To: [email protected], <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > At 07:24 PM 1/7/2014 +0000, PJK :o\) wrote: >> Hello list, >> Will any of it be lost ? Will all the notes, pictures etc. still be there ? >> I'd rather keep it all on my Vista desk top pc than lose some of it because, >> like most of you, I've spent years on my tree. >> However - again !! - I know that I'll eventually have to upgrade my desk top >> pc from Vista to Windows 8 or the OS that's brought out when it needs >> replacing - so I'd like to have a genealogy programme that's going to be >> compatible for quite a few years. If you know what I mean :o) > I'm sure that all the answers you've been given will have been helpful to you. > > I recommend that you make a decision whether to install FTM-2014 onto > your Vista desktop computer or onto your Windows 8 laptop. If you are > happy with Vista, put the new program onto your desktop. If you are > happy with Windows 8, put it onto your laptop. > > BTW, there is now a free upgrade to Windows 8.1. Go to the Windows > Store and follow the prompts. The exercise takes about an hour. > > It is important to decide where your major files are going to be held > because it will be that computer/laptop that you will want to > TreeSync to an online Ancestry Tree. You can make automatic backups > to wherever you want on your devices. But you can only have one Tree > on one device (eg. your desktop OR your laptop) synced to an online > Ancestry Tree. > > Although in a different format, your Ancestry Tree will be identical > to the FTM-2014 Tree on your desktop (or laptop), each time the Trees > are synced. > > I hope this helps. > > John M. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > John Maynard > Phillip Island, Australia > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > "Let there be Peace on Earth, Justice and Prosperity ... > ... and an End to Violence, Poverty and Greed." > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 19:09:59 -0500 > From: Bruce King <[email protected]> > Subject: [FTM-TECH] copy a sub-tree from a tree > To: FTM-TECH <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <[email protected]om> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mac -- FTM 2012 > > I'm certain the logical equivalent my problem has appeared here before, but > a brief sortie through the Archives didn't fide what I wanted. So, once > again . . . > > I have a tree that has about 100 individuals that consists of a single > couple (Samuel and his wife) and their descendants as far as the first half > of the 20th century. When printed on paper, it is spread over 5 or 6 > sheets, taped together. I have had several copies printed, taped, and > distributed. But it's really a nuisance, and I tell myself "there's gotta > be a better way!" > > It occurred to me that Samuel had 6 children. So I might be able to print 6 > trees, each on a single sheet of standard 8.5"x12" paper--each consisting > of Samuel + childX + childX's descendants for X=1,2,3,4,5,6. > > To do this, I need to copy each of the 6 sub-trees, and print them > separately. But I don't want to re-enter by hand the basic genealogical > facts for 100 people. So . . . > > There has to be a way to copy, one at a time, the sub-trees for Samuel and > his 6 children, and their descendants. But I failed when I tried to juggle > two trees at a time. > > Can anyone tell me how to do this? Or perhaps tell me where to find > something logically identical in the Archives? > > Bruce King I solved this problem as follows. I created the tree, then verified all the information. I saved the tree to a flash drive and took it to a Quick Print shop that prints on "rolls of paper" rather than on sheets of paper. A friend of mine did this and printed 14 feet of chart on one sheet of paper. Cost him $11.00. Rewolf4

FTM has size limits of about 5 metres when it comes to one page PDF files of charts If you want a big descendant chart on one piece of paper (in AU the largest we can get is 50 metres) is to use a program called Family Tree Factory http://www.family-tree-factory.com/ Looking at the site just now it seems to be in some form of administration Also worth considering is Charting Companion by Progeny John D -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of H R Worthington Sent: Thursday, 9 January 2014 12:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] copy a sub-tree from a tree Bruce, The Mac Version and FTM2012 are two DIFFERENT programs with a different set of features. Bottom line answer to your question, I think, is that "it can't be done" the way you want to do it. Descendant Charts will, probably, be always be an issue. My question is, Where are you going to get this Chart PRINTED? I did a rather simple Descendant Chart with 4 generations but had a third party print it. I created it in Family Tree Maker, sent my file to that company and it came out great. Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: Bruce King <[email protected]> To: FTM-TECH <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:09 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] copy a sub-tree from a tree Mac -- FTM 2012 I'm certain the logical equivalent my problem has appeared here before, but a brief sortie through the Archives didn't fide what I wanted. So, once again . . . I have a tree that has about 100 individuals that consists of a single couple (Samuel and his wife) and their descendants as far as the first half of the 20th century. When printed on paper, it is spread over 5 or 6 sheets, taped together. I have had several copies printed, taped, and distributed. But it's really a nuisance, and I tell myself "there's gotta be a better way!" It occurred to me that Samuel had 6 children. So I might be able to print 6 trees, each on a single sheet of standard 8.5"x12" paper--each consisting of Samuel + childX + childX's descendants for X=1,2,3,4,5,6. To do this, I need to copy each of the 6 sub-trees, and print them separately. But I don't want to re-enter by hand the basic genealogical facts for 100 people. So . . . There has to be a way to copy, one at a time, the sub-trees for Samuel and his 6 children, and their descendants. But I failed when I tried to juggle two trees at a time. Can anyone tell me how to do this? Or perhaps tell me where to find something logically identical in the Archives? ********************************** List information page http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html Version 2008 - 2012 http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hellooooo !! I do believe, at long last, that I might have finally arrived :o) Pat.xxx :o) A Maid of Kent http://peajaykayspatch.blogspot.com/ > Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 02:51:34 -0800 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [FTM-TECH] Test Message for Pat only > > No need to respond to this message. I am just checking to see if Pat is > receiving messages from the list. > ********************************** >

At 07:24 PM 1/7/2014 +0000, PJK :o\) wrote: >Hello list, >Will any of it be lost ? Will all the notes, pictures etc. still be there ? >I'd rather keep it all on my Vista desk top pc than lose some of it because, >like most of you, I've spent years on my tree. >However - again !! - I know that I'll eventually have to upgrade my desk top >pc from Vista to Windows 8 or the OS that's brought out when it needs >replacing - so I'd like to have a genealogy programme that's going to be >compatible for quite a few years. If you know what I mean :o) I'm sure that all the answers you've been given will have been helpful to you. I recommend that you make a decision whether to install FTM-2014 onto your Vista desktop computer or onto your Windows 8 laptop. If you are happy with Vista, put the new program onto your desktop. If you are happy with Windows 8, put it onto your laptop. BTW, there is now a free upgrade to Windows 8.1. Go to the Windows Store and follow the prompts. The exercise takes about an hour. It is important to decide where your major files are going to be held because it will be that computer/laptop that you will want to TreeSync to an online Ancestry Tree. You can make automatic backups to wherever you want on your devices. But you can only have one Tree on one device (eg. your desktop OR your laptop) synced to an online Ancestry Tree. Although in a different format, your Ancestry Tree will be identical to the FTM-2014 Tree on your desktop (or laptop), each time the Trees are synced. I hope this helps. John M. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- John Maynard Phillip Island, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Let there be Peace on Earth, Justice and Prosperity ... ... and an End to Violence, Poverty and Greed."

Russ Many thanks... I have a Mac (used mostly for image processing + email + a family-history project I've been working on for 10+ years--no FTM stuff there) and a laptop (Windows 7) running FTM - 2012. I just got confused--probably because I was using the Mac to write my plea for help. I assume that, even on the laptop, "it can't be done" probably remains your judgment. Even if that's correct, it's helpful; I'm stubborn enough that, otherwise, I might try to succeed for several days. So you have saved me time and effort. My original 5/6-page tree was printed by Staples. It was a little too long for the machine they had, but they worked around that to my satisfaction. They produced a dozen copies originally, and a few more at a later time. I found their work to be satisfactory. I see that John Donaldson has suggested using Family Tree Factory; I'll probably try that later. Finally --- Since "it can't be done" I think I'll just get a new master (to include new info--like recent deaths) then print a copy and cut it into the 6 sub-trees. That will lead to jagged edges, but I probably could then scan the 6 sections to ordinary paper (maybe slightly re-sized) and I'll have what I want. Thanks for your response; it helped me a lot. Bruce King On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 8:57 PM, H R Worthington <[email protected]>wrote: > Bruce, > > The Mac Version and FTM2012 are two DIFFERENT programs with a different > set of features. > > Bottom line answer to your question, I think, is that "it can't be done" > the way you want to do it. > > Descendant Charts will, probably, be always be an issue. My question is, > Where are you going to get this Chart PRINTED? > > I did a rather simple Descendant Chart with 4 generations but had a third > party print it. I created it in Family Tree Maker, sent my file to that > company and it came out great. > > Russ > > > > ___________________________ > > > Mailto:[email protected] > > > ________________________________ > From: Bruce King <[email protected]> > To: FTM-TECH <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:09 PM > Subject: [FTM-TECH] copy a sub-tree from a tree > > > Mac -- FTM 2012 > > I'm certain the logical equivalent my problem has appeared here before, but > a brief sortie through the Archives didn't fide what I wanted. So, once > again . . . > > I have a tree that has about 100 individuals that consists of a single > couple (Samuel and his wife) and their descendants as far as the first half > of the 20th century. When printed on paper, it is spread over 5 or 6 > sheets, taped together. I have had several copies printed, taped, and > distributed. But it's really a nuisance, and I tell myself "there's gotta > be a better way!" > > It occurred to me that Samuel had 6 children. So I might be able to print 6 > trees, each on a single sheet of standard 8.5"x12" paper--each consisting > of Samuel + childX + childX's descendants for X=1,2,3,4,5,6. > > To do this, I need to copy each of the 6 sub-trees, and print them > separately. But I don't want to re-enter by hand the basic genealogical > facts for 100 people. So . . . > > There has to be a way to copy, one at a time, the sub-trees for Samuel and > his 6 children, and their descendants. But I failed when I tried to juggle > two trees at a time. > > Can anyone tell me how to do this? Or perhaps tell me where to find > something logically identical in the Archives? > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bruce: [email protected] Mary: [email protected] /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bruce. When I said it cant be done, is only based on YOUR hardware, mostly printer. John illustrated to PDF technology limitation. As I mentioned, I did get mine printed, as did John. I used Family Chart Masters https://familychartmasters.com/ They did a great job. So, in fact it CAN Be done, its just that someone, with the right equipment has to do it for you. In my case, I created the chart the way I wanted it, sent my file to them, and they printed it. Start of finish about a week. Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: Bruce King <[email protected]> To: H R Worthington <[email protected]>; FTM-TECH <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2014 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [FTM-TECH] copy a sub-tree from a tree Russ  Many thanks...  I have a Mac (used mostly for image processing + email + a family-history project I've been working on for 10+ years--no FTM stuff there) and a laptop (Windows 7) running FTM - 2012. I just got confused--probably because I was using the Mac to write my plea for help. I assume that, even on the laptop, "it can't be done" probably remains your judgment. Even if that's correct, it's helpful; I'm stubborn enough that, otherwise, I might try to succeed for several days. So you have saved me time and effort. My original 5/6-page tree was printed by Staples. It was a little too long for the machine they had, but they worked around that to my satisfaction. They produced a dozen copies originally, and a few more at a later time. I found their work to be satisfactory. I see that John Donaldson has suggested using Family Tree Factory; I'll probably try that later. Finally --- Since "it can't be done" I think I'll just get a new master (to include new info--like recent deaths) then print a copy and cut it into the 6 sub-trees. That will lead to jagged edges, but I probably could then scan the 6 sections to ordinary paper (maybe slightly re-sized) and I'll have what I want.

No need to respond to this message. I am just checking to see if Pat is receiving messages from the list.

Mac -- FTM 2012 I'm certain the logical equivalent my problem has appeared here before, but a brief sortie through the Archives didn't fide what I wanted. So, once again . . . I have a tree that has about 100 individuals that consists of a single couple (Samuel and his wife) and their descendants as far as the first half of the 20th century. When printed on paper, it is spread over 5 or 6 sheets, taped together. I have had several copies printed, taped, and distributed. But it's really a nuisance, and I tell myself "there's gotta be a better way!" It occurred to me that Samuel had 6 children. So I might be able to print 6 trees, each on a single sheet of standard 8.5"x12" paper--each consisting of Samuel + childX + childX's descendants for X=1,2,3,4,5,6. To do this, I need to copy each of the 6 sub-trees, and print them separately. But I don't want to re-enter by hand the basic genealogical facts for 100 people. So . . . There has to be a way to copy, one at a time, the sub-trees for Samuel and his 6 children, and their descendants. But I failed when I tried to juggle two trees at a time. Can anyone tell me how to do this? Or perhaps tell me where to find something logically identical in the Archives? Bruce King -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Bruce: [email protected] Mary: [email protected] /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\

Bruce, The Mac Version and FTM2012 are two DIFFERENT programs with a different set of features. Bottom line answer to your question, I think, is that "it can't be done" the way you want to do it. Descendant Charts will, probably, be always be an issue. My question is, Where are you going to get this Chart PRINTED? I did a rather simple Descendant Chart with 4 generations but had a third party print it. I created it in Family Tree Maker, sent my file to that company and it came out great. Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: Bruce King <[email protected]> To: FTM-TECH <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2014 7:09 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] copy a sub-tree from a tree Mac -- FTM 2012 I'm certain the logical equivalent my problem has appeared here before, but a brief sortie through the Archives didn't fide what I wanted. So, once again . . . I have a tree that has about 100 individuals that consists of a single couple (Samuel and his wife) and their descendants as far as the first half of the 20th century. When printed on paper, it is spread over 5 or 6 sheets, taped together. I have had several copies printed, taped, and distributed. But it's really a nuisance, and I tell myself "there's gotta be a better way!" It occurred to me that Samuel had 6 children. So I might be able to print 6 trees, each on a single sheet of standard 8.5"x12" paper--each consisting of Samuel + childX + childX's descendants for X=1,2,3,4,5,6. To do this, I need to copy each of the 6 sub-trees, and print them separately. But I don't want to re-enter by hand the basic genealogical facts for 100 people. So . . . There has to be a way to copy, one at a time, the sub-trees for Samuel and his 6 children, and their descendants. But I failed when I tried to juggle two trees at a time. Can anyone tell me how to do this? Or perhaps tell me where to find something logically identical in the Archives?

Pat has asked me to let the list know that she is grateful for the replies to her email below, however, she is having trouble receiving list mail and I have forwarded your replies to her. She is going to digest your comments and reply in person when the list servers let her send & receive again. Please accept her apology for not answering herself. Jim On 07/01/2014 2:24 PM, PJK :o) wrote: > Hello list, > > I have been using Family Tree Maker 2005 on both my laptop (OS = XP) & my > desk top pc since it came out. Because the desk top has Vista, I had to > download a patch to enable FTM 2005 to work. > > However, I've recently upgraded my lap top & as it has Windows 8, I know > that FTM 2005 isn't compatible & there isn't a patch to make it so. > > Because of this, I'm looking into upgrading from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014, which > I know I can use with Vista & Windows 8. However, I'm concerned about the > transfer of data from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014. > > Will any of it be lost ? Will all the notes, pictures etc. still be there ? > I'd rather keep it all on my Vista desk top pc than lose some of it because, > like most of you, I've spent years on my tree. > > However - again !! - I know that I'll eventually have to upgrade my desk top > pc from Vista to Windows 8 or the OS that's brought out when it needs > replacing - so I'd like to have a genealogy programme that's going to be > compatible for quite a few years. If you know what I mean :o) > > I'd be grateful for any advice before I go ahead & buy FTM 2014 - or another > version if that's what you'd recommend. > > Thank you :o) > > Pat.xxx :o)) > A Maid of Kent > http://peajaykayspatch.blogspot.com/ > > ********************************** > List information page > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Software/FTM-TECH.html > > Version 2008 - 2012 > http://ancestry.custhelp.com/app/home > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Has anyone had problems with slow opening of a file on FTM 2014 after applying the patch that brought FTM up to 22.0.0.1243? I even had a problem applying that patch. I first got an error message that said that it could not update since there was a file already on the laptop with the same name. I tried right click and run as administrator and that did not work. Knowledge base said try running the update from the link in the knowledge base, this worked. But when it opened FTM 2014 it came up like a brand new install, asking to start a new tree. It did list my files but did not open the last file that I had been on. It did open my file after I clicked on it to open. Finally after opening all my other files (3 of them) and closing, it remembered. Now the opening, it took 30 seconds to show the splash screen and sat there initializing for 2 minutes before the file opened. This compares with my desktop that takes 5 sec for splash screen and 45 seconds to open the file (same file). File is 3,352 people and 1,061 media. Both laptop and desktop Win 7 64 bit with 6 GB ram. Len

Hello list, I have been using Family Tree Maker 2005 on both my laptop (OS = XP) & my desk top pc since it came out. Because the desk top has Vista, I had to download a patch to enable FTM 2005 to work. However, I've recently upgraded my lap top & as it has Windows 8, I know that FTM 2005 isn't compatible & there isn't a patch to make it so. Because of this, I'm looking into upgrading from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014, which I know I can use with Vista & Windows 8. However, I'm concerned about the transfer of data from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014. Will any of it be lost ? Will all the notes, pictures etc. still be there ? I'd rather keep it all on my Vista desk top pc than lose some of it because, like most of you, I've spent years on my tree. However - again !! - I know that I'll eventually have to upgrade my desk top pc from Vista to Windows 8 or the OS that's brought out when it needs replacing - so I'd like to have a genealogy programme that's going to be compatible for quite a few years. If you know what I mean :o) I'd be grateful for any advice before I go ahead & buy FTM 2014 - or another version if that's what you'd recommend. Thank you :o) Pat.xxx :o)) A Maid of Kent http://peajaykayspatch.blogspot.com/

Let me state right off the bat that I haven't used FTM 2005 since FTM 16 was released. I currently use FTM 2014 on a Windows 8.1 Pro 64-bit machine. That said I would like to clarify a couple of points. First, I don't think there was a patch to FTM 2005 so it could run under Windows Vista. I think what you may have done is run FTM 2005 under Windows Vista by using Vista's compatibility mode. This causes Windows Vista to run the program as though it were running under Windows XP. If I'm correct, you should be able to do that same process under Windows 8.1. Here is the web address of a tutorial explaining the process. http://www.eightforums.com/tutorials/6832-compatibility-mode-use-windows-8-a.html Now having said that, personally, I think you should make the leap and purchase FTM 2014. As far as I'm concerned it is the best version yet. As others have said, it is quite different from FTM 2005 and will require you to learn a new interface and way of working and inputting data but in the long run it should be worth the effort. The key is to taking it easy and getting familiar with the program. Now as to your question. FTM 2014 will convert your FTM 2005 data with no problems. I strongly recommend you Compact your FTM 2005 file before converting the file. Also make sure you have several backup copies of your FTM 2005 file. I would not use the FTM 2005 program to create the backup files. Simply copy the file to different locations and even burn a copy on a CD or DVD. When FTM 2014 converts your file, it will do the following actions: 1. FTM 2014 makes a converts the file and places the conversion into a separate new file. Your FTM 2005 will not be changed or harmed in any way. 2. FTM 2014 extracts all of the media items in the FTM 2005 scrapbook and makes each item a separate file of the appropriate file type. These files will be stored with file names aimed at helping you identify whose scrapbook it came from. You will find these media files store in a special media folder. The folder has the same name as your data file with the work Media included in the folder name. The folder is located in the same folder as your FTM 2014 data base. 3. In FTM 2005 source are stored as one source to one fact. If you have multiple source citations which are identical in all fields including the Footnote, FTM 2014 will write one copy of the source-citation and then link that once copy to everyone and every fact which uses that source-citation. You will want to check the source-citations once they are converted. 4. The comment/location fields will be separated into the Place field and the Description field for each fact. If you ended each comment with a slash, /, then they should separate correctly. However, if you have a comment only or didn't separate the comment from the location by using a slash, you will need to check these and move the data to the appropriate field. There are tools available for this so don't get frustrated about it. FTM 2014 also has a Place name data base which is a tool to the user to standardize the Place Names if they want. You can use it or not. It is call "Resolve Place Names". 5. If you have "Books" in FTM 2005, FTM 2014 attempts to convert those books; however, it is not very good. Personally, I prefer to recreate my books from scratch using FTM 2014. I'm not trying to dissuade you from upgrading to FTM 2014 but I do caution you that it may be confusing and it will require considerable clean up but overall you will be rewarded by cleaner and more accurate data. Let us know if you have any more questions. BJ On 1/7/2014 11:24 AM, PJK :o) wrote: > Hello list, > > I have been using Family Tree Maker 2005 on both my laptop (OS = XP) & my > desk top pc since it came out. Because the desk top has Vista, I had to > download a patch to enable FTM 2005 to work. > > However, I've recently upgraded my lap top & as it has Windows 8, I know > that FTM 2005 isn't compatible & there isn't a patch to make it so. > > Because of this, I'm looking into upgrading from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014, which > I know I can use with Vista & Windows 8. However, I'm concerned about the > transfer of data from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014. > > Will any of it be lost ? Will all the notes, pictures etc. still be there ? > I'd rather keep it all on my Vista desk top pc than lose some of it because, > like most of you, I've spent years on my tree. > > However - again !! - I know that I'll eventually have to upgrade my desk top > pc from Vista to Windows 8 or the OS that's brought out when it needs > replacing - so I'd like to have a genealogy programme that's going to be > compatible for quite a few years. If you know what I mean :o) > > I'd be grateful for any advice before I go ahead & buy FTM 2014 - or another > version if that's what you'd recommend. >

FTM 2014 works quite well. I use it with Windows 7 Professional. Hopefully, you have 8 GB of RAM in your new laptop machine so you can run in 64-bit mode! Just so you understand, genealogy programs get replaced with a new version about once a year - updates in the interim are sent out about every 8 weeks or so. 2014 is quite different from 2005, so it may take some time to learn how to use it. If you have made the leap to Windows 8 (or 8.1), you shouldn't have a problem with the new version. Be sure to read the companion guide - about 200 pages in PDF format - that installs with the program. John Okerson Lakeland, TN, USA

Copy your files to a external device from the old computer. Then copy them to the new computer. You now will be working in a copy so you can alway go bsk to the orginal if needed. Now fire up 2014 and open your file(s) one at a time. They will be converted using a different name. If you had pictures inbedded in thr 2005 file, they wiil be found in the "media" related to the new file. Check things out to see IF you lost any thing. I have converted many files without any issues. Sent from my Kindle Fire In God We Trust

Pat, FTM2014 will be able to open your FTM2005 Family File. You won't loose any issues. Not sure what "patch" you are talking about, to get FTM2005 to work on your old PC. Don't think there was a patch, but the way you set up FTM2005 to run in the XP mode and to Run As Administrator. Russ   ___________________________ Mailto:[email protected] ________________________________ From: PJK :o) <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 2:24 PM Subject: [FTM-TECH] Upgrading FTM Hello list, I have been using Family Tree Maker 2005 on both my laptop (OS = XP) & my desk top pc since it came out. Because the desk top has Vista, I had to download a patch to enable FTM 2005 to work. However, I've recently upgraded my lap top & as it has Windows 8, I know that FTM 2005 isn't compatible & there isn't a patch to make it so. Because of this, I'm looking into upgrading from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014, which I know I can use with Vista & Windows 8. However, I'm concerned about the transfer of data from FTM 2005 to FTM 2014. Will any of it be lost ? Will all the notes, pictures etc. still be there ? I'd rather keep it all on my Vista desk top pc than lose some of it because, like most of you, I've spent years on my tree. However - again !! - I know that I'll eventually have to upgrade my desk top pc from Vista to Windows 8 or the OS that's brought out when it needs replacing - so I'd like to have a genealogy programme that's going to be compatible for quite a few years. If you know what I mean :o) I'd be grateful for any advice before I go ahead & buy FTM 2014 - or another version if that's what you'd recommend.

BJ, On 1/6/2014, 11:06 PM, BJ wrote: > I have followed this thread with interest. John, you have some great > points and I agree with you that the user needs some method for tweaking > the templates or at least generating and formatting some of his own. > However, a decision was made some time ago that the program would > attempt to encourage the less experienced users with some type of access > to using ESM's guidelines. The 100 or so quick templates were selected > and implemented. Some like them. Others use them and then there are a > good many like me who sticks with the older default format. Reprogramming to use the variables in templates as I suggest would not disable in any way what less experiences users see today. But it would add the flexibility that more experienced and professional genealogists need. Wouldn't it make sense to do that so it would cover the needs of all users? > The ESM templates are useful only if you intend to create reports and > charts with Endnotes. They then format the data is specific ways and > use generally accepted formatting of the documentation structure. Since > I don't intend to publish my tree and I don't create a lot of reports > and trees with endnotes, I don't use the templates. I content they are useful to anyone who chooses to use them, and if you don't want to use them you don't have to. > I understand FTM's desire to provide guidance to the inexperienced user > in which template to use, I find it very difficult to navigate; > unfortunately, I haven't been able to devise a better way of making it > easier. I'm not sure what you are getting at here. The guidance, to me at least, is provided in the picking of general source type (12 I think in Evidence Style), then which of the subtypes. A logical drill down, very intuitive in the Legacy implementation. I too find FTM's way of navigating them requires far too many clicks, but this is just an artifact of not implementing them in the best manner. > I think you will find that FTM has implemented ESM's templates and will > not be changing them. You are probably right. And if they weren't the 800 pound gorilla of genealogy software, only because they have the green leaves that NO other program vendor can deliver, they can do what they want. I urged them about 4 or 5 years ago to get out of the software writing business and focus only on the data collections and an API for other programs to connect to. This way every genealogy program could pay them a fee for their program to connect to the data, and every one of their users could pay a fee, part of which goes to cover the access fee, and part of which would go to Ancestry. This was back when Ancestry delivered a pile of crap for programs, they have gotten better. Actually Ancestry was sold to some European group, as I recall. With the fee model I suggest, Ancestry could probably make more money than they do by having almost all of a dozen or more programs using their API and paying for it, rather than just FTM being able to do it. They should at least cost out such a business model. End users would benefit because it wouldn't cost each one that much more, and there would be true competition between features of the programs that access the Ancestry data through the API. Just think how much better the interface to that data could be. FTM access is kind of crude, at least to me. But it is the only game in town today. So it could be a financial win for Ancestry, and a feature win for end users. Just my $0.02. John > BJ