Mara - Thanks! Am I right in thinking that Richard French, #131, here http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id1.html, is Richard French, FFA chart #6? 1023 123 14 William ~1605-1681 ENG / MA G 14 21 14 10 12 14 11 12 11 13 11 30 17 9 10 11 11 23 16 23 29 12 13 13 14 0 0 1026 126 14 Jacob ~1553-1615 ENG / MA G 15 21 14 10 12 14 11 12 11 13 11 30 17 9 10 11 11 23 16 23 29 12 13 13 14 0 0 1011 111 10 Richard ~1595- ? ENG / MA R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 14 30 17 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 31 15 15 17 17 0 0 1031 131 10 Richard ~1623-1688 ENG / MA R1b 13 24 14 11 11 14 12 12 12 13 14 30 17 9 10 11 11 26 15 19 31 15 15 17 17 0 0 My William, #123, has a 24/25 match with Jacob, #126. I am positive of my lineage (#1023) as I am certain of Jims #1026. Now reinforced by the DNA tests. Since a reasonable match does not exist with either of the Richards (both with a Marshfield, MA connection) - Either William/Richard #131 or William/Richard #111 are not related or, the DNA donors have their lineages messed up. By the way, my information on Richard, FFA chart #6 shows: Richard: b ~1625; m Martha Beane; he died 1688; children -- Samuel (b 13july1653, Cambridge, MA), John (m Deliverance Chub), Joseph, Lt. (b ~1650, Billerica, MA or Marshfield, MA; moved to Concord, MA), Elizabeth (b 2feb1660, Marshfield, MA) source ?? Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mara French" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] William French of Billerica, MA > Scott, they are definitely related, but no proof yet. > Richard's and William's names are on various land deeds > as joint owners. Also, when Richard was put in jail in > about 1654, William cared for and brought up Richard's son > Samuel from age 1 to adulthood. The relationship hasn't > been determined yet. > > On another issue: > So, you're wondering if William was the grandson of Jacob > of Assington. Jacob had 5 sons: William, Jacob, Thomas, John, > and Robert. The William in question was b. ca. 1603. His father > could have been William, could not have been Jacob because he > died before 1603, could not have been Thomas because Thomas didn't > have a son named William, John's child was born much later than > 1603, and Robert was too young. The only possibility then is > William who could be the father of William. The dates and places > make this a real possibility. The William in question even named > one of his sons Jacob, presumedly after his grandfather. Records > in the Assington, Twinstead, Halstead area in England need to > be researched. Mara > > on 8/2/04 8:42 PM, TUNDRA at [email protected] wrote: > > > An old topic with a new twist - > > Was Richard French of Marshfield a brother of William French of Billerica? > > > > FFA http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/ > > FSdna http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id1.html > > > > Richard French, FFA chart #6, FSdna #131 > > born: Coggeshall, Essex, Eng > > died: 14dec1688, Marshfield, MA > > > > William French, FFA chart #2, FSdna #123 > > born: between 19nov1602 and 5june1603, Eng > > died: 20nov1681, Billerica, MA; age 78 > > > > The Y-Chromosome Allele positions for William French, FSdna #123 and Richard > > French FSdna #131 clearly indicate that they were not brothers. > > > > However; William French, FSdna #123, was perhaps the grandson of Jacob French, > > FSdna #126. Jacob's son was Thomas, FFA chart #1. > > > > Scott French > > > > > > > > > > > > >