Hi Scott, I see that Samuel was b. 1793 in Boston, and I would not imagine that the Chart #179 family ever went to Massachusetts at all. Samuel would have had to be born from Jeremiah's second wife. Also, there are absolutely no Samuels in this line, so there has to be more evidence than guessing. In what city in Chemung Co. did Samuel die? In Horseheads? Maybe research Chemung Co. as well as the Gildersleeve family. Mara On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, SCOTT wrote: > Mara - > > The three of us here << http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm > >> have at least a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match. Charlie > French (Test #F13919) needs to find a father for Samuel French > (1793-1861). If 1.3* JEREMIAH FRENCH, b. 1759 [1] in NJ had > another son named Samuel following the birth of 2.5* WILLIAM FRENCH > [1], b. 3 Jun 1790 in Northumberland, who of us would be > surprised? It fits beautifully! And Charlie and all members of > Chart #179 would probably connect to JACOB OFASSINGTON - As do all > members of FFA Chart #1 - And, I think, Chart #2 as well. > > - Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mara French > To: List French List > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:58 PM > Subject: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 > > > The French Family Assn website has been updated > to add Chart #179. > http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/ > > Jeremiah French, 1759, of NJ, PA, and NY > Chart #179 begins in the 1750s in NJ, and then to the town of > Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. No data further back has been found to > date, but this line remained basically in Pennsylvania. From there, > the family moved to Northumberland Co., PA and to Owego and > Horseshead in Chemung Co., NY. But some members of the family > returned to Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. Other members of the family > moved to Port Alleganey, McKean Co., PA and to Roulette, Potter Co., > PA. Others moved to Olean, Cattaraugus Co., NY; Steuben Co., NY and > Shamokin, Bradford Co., PA. Other townships in NY: Erin, Wellsville, > Elmira,Troopsburg, East Aurora, and Buffalo. Other townships in PA: > Fishing Creek, Wellsboro, Little Marsh, Delniar, Port Alleganey, > Blossburg, and Clara. > The men in this line were mostly war soldiers, farmers (honey, > lumber), Justices of the Peace, town clerks, auditors, school > directors, school teachers, general store keepers, writers, > bookkeepers, and glassmakers. They were Methodists. > Surnames: You may notice that some of these names are also seen on > FFA Chart #1, #2, and #5, but these names are not seen until the 4th > Generation. > French, Churchill, Donshea, Hopper, Tryon, Martin, Hazen, VanGorder, > Gildersleeve, Willis, Willetts, Perrin, Secor/Sicaird, Titus, > Colley, > Waller, Field, McNair, Boucher, Monk, Shaff, Smith, Williams, > Palmer, > Brown, Calgrove or Colegrove or Colgrove, Niles, Andrews, West, > Willoughby, Morey, Donshea or Dunshie, Howlett, Doane, Hawley, Luce, > Deer, Roupe. > > Please advise me of corrections, deletions, additions, etc. Perhaps > this line will eventually tie in to one of the NJ lines. Thanks to > Marion Scherer and Milton L. French Jr., for all your help. > Mara French > French Family Association > marafrench@mindspring.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release Date: > 2/8/2007 9:04 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
The French Family Assn website has been updated to add Chart #179. http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/ Jeremiah French, 1759, of NJ, PA, and NY Chart #179 begins in the 1750s in NJ, and then to the town of Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. No data further back has been found to date, but this line remained basically in Pennsylvania. From there, the family moved to Northumberland Co., PA and to Owego and Horseshead in Chemung Co., NY. But some members of the family returned to Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. Other members of the family moved to Port Alleganey, McKean Co., PA and to Roulette, Potter Co., PA. Others moved to Olean, Cattaraugus Co., NY; Steuben Co., NY and Shamokin, Bradford Co., PA. Other townships in NY: Erin, Wellsville, Elmira,Troopsburg, East Aurora, and Buffalo. Other townships in PA: Fishing Creek, Wellsboro, Little Marsh, Delniar, Port Alleganey, Blossburg, and Clara. The men in this line were mostly war soldiers, farmers (honey, lumber), Justices of the Peace, town clerks, auditors, school directors, school teachers, general store keepers, writers, bookkeepers, and glassmakers. They were Methodists. Surnames: You may notice that some of these names are also seen on FFA Chart #1, #2, and #5, but these names are not seen until the 4th Generation. French, Churchill, Donshea, Hopper, Tryon, Martin, Hazen, VanGorder, Gildersleeve, Willis, Willetts, Perrin, Secor/Sicaird, Titus, Colley, Waller, Field, McNair, Boucher, Monk, Shaff, Smith, Williams, Palmer, Brown, Calgrove or Colegrove or Colgrove, Niles, Andrews, West, Willoughby, Morey, Donshea or Dunshie, Howlett, Doane, Hawley, Luce, Deer, Roupe. Please advise me of corrections, deletions, additions, etc. Perhaps this line will eventually tie in to one of the NJ lines. Thanks to Marion Scherer and Milton L. French Jr., for all your help. Mara French French Family Association marafrench@mindspring.com
Hi Sherry I can help you with Tasmanian info, would you like me to contact you off list. I have BDM's of them also the info of the convict record. Joan NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sherry@sherryannmiller.com" <sherry@sherryannmiller.com> To: <FRENCH@rootsweb.com> Sent: 09 February, 2007 7:41 AM Subject: [FRENCH] FRENCH family of Cornwall, England > I am new to the list, and am searching for my FRENCH ancestors and their family histories. > > What I know so far, is that my 3GGM, Rebecca FRENCH, chr.12 Apr 1784 at St. Winnow, Cornwall, England, was the daughter of William FRENCH and Ann REYNOLDS (also spelled RUNNALS and/or REIGNOLDS). Rebecca FRENCH md. Robert STONE on 13 Oct 1810 at St. Winnow. She had perhaps fifteen siblings, and Rebecca was #13 in the family. I know very little of her siblings, nor who their spouses and descendants were, so I am asking for your help on the following: > > Mary FRENCH, chr. 30 Oct 1764, St. Breward, Cornwall. Did she marry? If so, whom and did she have children, grandchildren? > > Ann FRENCH, chr. 20 Apr 1766, Bodmin, Cornwall. Did she marry? If so, whom and did she have children, grandchildren? > > William FRENCH, chr. 21 Aug 1768, Bodmin, Cornwall; d. bef Jun 1766. Ddoes anyone know his cause of death? > > Richard FRENCH, chr. 24 Jun 1770, St. Winnow, Cornwall. Did he marry? If so, whom? Did he have children, grandchildren? > > Sarah FRENCH, chr. 9 Aug 1772, St. Winnow, Cornwall; md. John SMITH 20 May 1793 at St. Breward, Cornwall. Ddid they have children, grandchildren? > > Elizabeth FRENCH, chr. 24 May 1774, St. Winnow, Cornwall; md. James MITCHELL 3 Oct 1813 presumably at St. Breward, Cornwall Did they have children, grandchildren? > > John FRENCH, chr. 20 Apr 1776, Bodmin, Cornwall; md. an Elizabeth __________ abt 1800, place unknown. Did they have children, grandchildren? > > William FRENCH, chr. 30 Jun 1776, St. Winnow, Cornwall; d. 24 Aug 1817. Since he lived to be 41 years old, did he marry, and if so, whom? Did they have children, grandchildren? > > A child who was buried 13 Apr 1778 at St. Winnow. Who was he/she? When born? Cause of death? > > > James FRENCH, chr. 6 Apr 1779, St. Winnow, Cornwall; d. bef 1781. Cause of death? > > Jane FRENCH, chr. 13 May 1781, St. Winnow, Cornwall. Did she marry, if so whom, did they have children, grandchildren? Is she James' twin? > > James FRENCH, chr. 13 May 1781, St. Winnow, Cornwall. Did he marry, if so whom, did they have children, grandchildren? Is he Jane's twin? > > Rebecca FRENCH, my 3 GGM, md. Robert STONE (info in first paragraph). Any historical info would be greatly appreciated. If you would like to receive what info I have on her descendants, I would be happy to share what I have. > > Edward FRENCH, chr. 10 Jul 1786, St. Winnow, Cornwall; d. 8 Feb 1834, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia. Supposedly sent to Australia for criminal activity, though I have no documentation to support this tidbit. There is supposed to be a book about him and his brother, Francis FRENCH, titled, "Go . . . Forth and Multiply . . . " I would love to obtain my own copy, if at all possible. > > Francis FRENCH, chr. 8 Feb 1791, St. Winnow, Cornwall; d. 11 Jan 1850, Longford, Tasmania, Australia; md. Mary OLIVER 21 Jun 1810, St. Winnow, Cornwall. Evidently went to Australia with his wife and family. Their descendants? Histories? > > Bridget FRENCH, b. abt. 1793, prob. at St. Winnow, Cornwall; md. abt 1821 to Thomas CHANNON. Did they have children? Grandchildren? Did she also migrate to Australia? If so, is a history available? > > I would greatly appreciate any information you might have on my 3GGM's siblings and their descendants. I am doing research for a family history book on my dad's ancestors, planning to write it in 2008, after research is completed this year, and will need all the information I can gather, with sources, if possible. > > Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to offer. > > Kind regards, > > Sherry Ann Miller > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.17.22/666 - Release Date: 03-Feb-07 3:31 PM > >
Dear Joan NZ, You wrote: I can help you with Tasmanian info, would you like me to contact you off list. I have BDM's of them also the info of the convict record. Joan NZ Thanks for your kind offer to help mewith the Tasmanian info. Yes, please contact me offline. My email address is sherry@sherryannmiller.com Thanks again! Kind regards, Sherry
To all who are researching Henry: I found the following information about Henry French in The Centenary of Louisville by Reuben T. Durrett, published in Louisville, KY by J. P. Morton and Co., printers to the Filson Club, 1893 (It is available online on Heritage Quest--many libraries have this database): Page 33 - In April, 1779 Henry French was appointed trustee of the newly-established city of Louisville, KY-- "The first official step toward establishing the town of Louisville at the Falls of the Ohio was taken on the 17th of April, 1779, when the inhabitants who were there, in conformity with the recommendations of the Court of Kentucky County touching the establishing of new towns, held a public meeting and appointed trustees for that purpose. The Trustees selected were William Harrod, Richard Chenowith, Edward Bulger, James Patton, Henry French, Marsham Brashears, and Simeon Moore. These Trustees then met and adopted rules for their government. They agreed upon a plan of the town to be called Louisville, laid off the ground they selected along the river into half-acre lots, made a map of their work, and appointed April 24, 1779, for each inhabitant to draw one lot in a public lottery." Pages 142-143 - Henry French drew Lot 92 on 24 Apr 1779-- "Appendix F. ...BY WHOM DRAWN: Henry French, NUMBERS (lot number): 92." Others drawing lots that day included Isaac Bowman, Jonathan and Squire Boone, Edward Bulger (Henry was a witness to his will in 1782), Samuel and William Harrod, Michael Humble (described in the same book as the first gunsmith in Louisville), Nicholas Merriwether, John Paul, and Jacob Reager (mentioned in FFA Chart #31). Deb S.
I am new to the list, and am searching for my FRENCH ancestors and their family histories. What I know so far, is that my 3GGM, Rebecca FRENCH, chr.12 Apr 1784 at St. Winnow, Cornwall, England, was the daughter of William FRENCH and Ann REYNOLDS (also spelled RUNNALS and/or REIGNOLDS). Rebecca FRENCH md. Robert STONE on 13 Oct 1810 at St. Winnow. She had perhaps fifteen siblings, and Rebecca was #13 in the family. I know very little of her siblings, nor who their spouses and descendants were, so I am asking for your help on the following: Mary FRENCH, chr. 30 Oct 1764, St. Breward, Cornwall. Did she marry? If so, whom and did she have children, grandchildren? Ann FRENCH, chr. 20 Apr 1766, Bodmin, Cornwall. Did she marry? If so, whom and did she have children, grandchildren? William FRENCH, chr. 21 Aug 1768, Bodmin, Cornwall; d. bef Jun 1766. Ddoes anyone know his cause of death? Richard FRENCH, chr. 24 Jun 1770, St. Winnow, Cornwall. Did he marry? If so, whom? Did he have children, grandchildren? Sarah FRENCH, chr. 9 Aug 1772, St. Winnow, Cornwall; md. John SMITH 20 May 1793 at St. Breward, Cornwall. Ddid they have children, grandchildren? Elizabeth FRENCH, chr. 24 May 1774, St. Winnow, Cornwall; md. James MITCHELL 3 Oct 1813 presumably at St. Breward, Cornwall Did they have children, grandchildren? John FRENCH, chr. 20 Apr 1776, Bodmin, Cornwall; md. an Elizabeth __________ abt 1800, place unknown. Did they have children, grandchildren? William FRENCH, chr. 30 Jun 1776, St. Winnow, Cornwall; d. 24 Aug 1817. Since he lived to be 41 years old, did he marry, and if so, whom? Did they have children, grandchildren? A child who was buried 13 Apr 1778 at St. Winnow. Who was he/she? When born? Cause of death? James FRENCH, chr. 6 Apr 1779, St. Winnow, Cornwall; d. bef 1781. Cause of death? Jane FRENCH, chr. 13 May 1781, St. Winnow, Cornwall. Did she marry, if so whom, did they have children, grandchildren? Is she James' twin? James FRENCH, chr. 13 May 1781, St. Winnow, Cornwall. Did he marry, if so whom, did they have children, grandchildren? Is he Jane's twin? Rebecca FRENCH, my 3 GGM, md. Robert STONE (info in first paragraph). Any historical info would be greatly appreciated. If you would like to receive what info I have on her descendants, I would be happy to share what I have. Edward FRENCH, chr. 10 Jul 1786, St. Winnow, Cornwall; d. 8 Feb 1834, Launceston, Tasmania, Australia. Supposedly sent to Australia for criminal activity, though I have no documentation to support this tidbit. There is supposed to be a book about him and his brother, Francis FRENCH, titled, "Go . . . Forth and Multiply . . . " I would love to obtain my own copy, if at all possible. Francis FRENCH, chr. 8 Feb 1791, St. Winnow, Cornwall; d. 11 Jan 1850, Longford, Tasmania, Australia; md. Mary OLIVER 21 Jun 1810, St. Winnow, Cornwall. Evidently went to Australia with his wife and family. Their descendants? Histories? Bridget FRENCH, b. abt. 1793, prob. at St. Winnow, Cornwall; md. abt 1821 to Thomas CHANNON. Did they have children? Grandchildren? Did she also migrate to Australia? If so, is a history available? I would greatly appreciate any information you might have on my 3GGM's siblings and their descendants. I am doing research for a family history book on my dad's ancestors, planning to write it in 2008, after research is completed this year, and will need all the information I can gather, with sources, if possible. Thanks in advance for any help you might be able to offer. Kind regards, Sherry Ann Miller
Hi All, Does anyone know of Anthonye French of Surry County, Virginia? Thanks, David Source: Surry County, Virginia Records, 1652-1684, Page 30, Abstracted By Eliza Timberlake Davis, New Index By Robert Barnes. [Original] Page 129. 16 March 1657. Jeremiah Clements his pattent for 200 acres of land, 10 Jan 1643. On the back side assgned as followeth, viz.: Know all men that I, Capt. Henerye Berry, doe assigne over this pattent to Wm. Gapinge and his heirs. Teste: Thos. Brereton. Wm. Gapinge assignes to Anthonye French, 25 Jan. 1658. Wit.: Jno. Gittings, Robt. Spencer. Rec.: 26 Jan. 1658. >From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Surry County was formed from a portion of James City County in the Royal Colony of Virginia in 1652. It was named for the English County of Surrey. It included all of James City County (itself formed in 1634) which was located south of the James River. Surry County initially consisted of Lawne's Creek Parish and Southwark Parish (of the Church of England). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surry_County%2C_Virginia
Dianna, Maybe you can help me. My gr, gr, gr grandparents were Charity Banta and George French. I have always thought he was a grandson of Henry French but can't figure out who his father is - thought probably John but not sure. Do you have any information? George and Charity had a daughter, Perlina Augusta French who married James Harvey Prewitt and their daughter, Laurie Lee Prewitt married William Alexander Weldon. My grandmother was Georgia Weldon who married James Pollard of Garrard Co. Thanks Donna Ryan
Yup. My brain broke on that one. Wrong surname. Good question - Sumner was my father's middle name. There was a Sumner Tanner in Ashland, WI and perhaps a US President whose middle name was Sumner. Have you been following the exchange here: [FRENCH] WILLIAM OF BILLERICA and JACOB OFASSINGTON--DNAevidence for a close relationship ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Whitney To: french@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] French Family in VT Scott, Am not ignoring you. Have been extremely busy and no time, but did just read your latest interchange. Quickly, I don't think doing a DNA test will do me any good since I'm not a French male. I did the Whitney DNA test, so if there is some way that researchers can take a look at my DNA from that, or if there is something new in DNA testing that I don't know about, please let me know. Things should ease up a little by Wednesday afternoon and I'll try to squeeze in some time for some thoughtful responses. Oh, someplace you mentioned the name "Sumner." My French family has a couple of "Sumners" in it: Norman Sumner French and another with Sumner as his first name. Do you know where the Sumner in your family originated? Jon On Feb 1, 2007, at 6:27 PM, SCOTT wrote: > Jonathan - Since we share the common ancestor, WILLIAM FRENCH OF > BILLERICA, > I will resend this message to RootsWeb with the subject: WILLIAM OF > BILLERICA, JACOB OF ASSINGTON. > I am doing so because the thread, [FRENCH] French Family in VT, > applies to > my lineage but not yours. And I would like to discuss the > connection between > WILLIAM and JACOB as a stand-alone topic. > Thanks, > Scott French > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SCOTT > To: french@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [FRENCH] French Family in VT > > > Jonathan - > William French (born between 19nov1602 and 5june1603; immigrated > USA 1635; > died 20nov1681, Billerica, MA age 78) is my paternal > ggg,ggg,gggrandfather. > We are cousins. My lineage is William, John, William ... > Would you be interested in sharing information? > Scott French > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Whitney > To: french@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [FRENCH] French Family in VT > > > Mildred, > > You don't give us much information to go on. Do you know Ezra's > father's name or where Ezra was born? My Frenches went from > Billerica, MA, to Cambridge, VT, before migrating to northwest > Illinois. My 2nd great-grandfather Asa Mason French was born in > Cambridge, but his father Jacob was born in Billerica in 1771. His > grandfather (Jacob's father) was also named Jacob and had a son Ezra > who was born in Billerica in 1746. I'm sure this is not your Ezra, > but the families (at least my French family) tended to repeat the > names in succeeding generations. Henry Hazen's book "History of > Billerica" is my source. I do not know if it is completely accurate, > but it is so far the best information I have. I have not checked the > census records. The book shows that this Ezra died a few days after > birth, but that does not mean that one or another of is siblings may > have moved to VT and continued the name usage. I guess what I'm > suggesting is that Billerica, MA, may be a good starting point for > you in your search. I looked through the book quickly, but didn't > find anything, but other records, births, deaths, census, etc. may > yield the information you are seeking. Hazen's book is available > through Higginson Book Company of Salem, MA, or through the > Billerica > Historical Society's web site. Good luck in your search. > > Jon Whitney > > On Jan 26, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Mildred wrote: > >> My FRENCH family came from Mass. to Chittenden County, VT. The one >> born in >> 1800 in VT was Ezra French, who married Margaret Woodward. I can't >> seem to >> go back any farther than that, but it does say in one of the >> censuses that >> Ezra French's father was born in Mass. >> >> Does anyone have this same family line? >> >> Mildred in WI >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: > 1/26/2007 > 11:11 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: > 1/26/2007 > 11:11 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Margaret (and others), Most charts are in another format and I need to convert them into the web format. Or, the chart is in paper format which is even more difficult to get on the web. I'm no longer xeroxing charts, but I'm using my time to do more research and make charts available online for everyone. Your Richard is my line also. Mara On Feb 5, 2007, at 6:49 PM, Margaret Halverson wrote: > Mara, > How can I get copies of the different charts...or is it possible? > You mentioned being a descendant of Richard French. I have a > Richard French 1595 married Elizabeth Fuller. We have another > French from a different line, but I don't know any parents for him. > > Margaret > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mara French" <marafrench@mindspring.com> > To: <french@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:33 PM > Subject: Re: [FRENCH] WILLIAM OF BILLERICA and JACOB OFASSINGTON-- > DNAevidence for a close > relationship > > >> Yes you're right, John is FFA Chart #3. >> No, I'm not a proven male descendant of either William or John, but >> I'm a female descendant >> of Richard French, Chart #6, who is in DNA Group 3. One of my >> brothers will order a DNA test. >> Mara French >> >> On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:14 PM, SCOTT wrote: >> >>> Whoever William French's (FFA Chart #2) father was, he had another >>> son, John French (FFA Chart #3). >>> Since Jim and I have a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match, we >>> have a reasonably recent common ancestor. Perhaps that ancestor is >>> Jacob French (b. 1553). Pedigrees here: http://small-stuff.com/ >>> FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm >>> Are you a proven male descendant of either William or John? If you >>> are, there are thousands of reasons to order a DNA sample kit from >>> familytreedna (http://www.familytreedna.com/default.asp). >>> Thanks, >>> Scott French >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mara French >>> To: aroid@rci.rutgers.edu ; french@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:07 PM >>> Subject: Re: [FRENCH] WILLIAM OF BILLERICA and JACOB OF >>> ASSINGTON--DNAevidence for a close relationship >>> >>> >>> RE: DNA http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm >>> >>> Jim is referring to William French of Billerica, MA (FFA Chart >>> #2) and >>> Jacob -> Thomas French of Assington England to Ipswich, MA (FFA >>> Chart >>> #1). >>> William was from Halstead England, only 7 miles from Assington, >>> with >>> the county border of Essex and Suffolk in between. Both these men >>> immigrated to New England during the 1630s. >>> >>> Thomas French, b. ca. 1520 in Assington, m. Bridget and had 2 >>> sons, >>> Thomas and Jacob. >>> Jacob French, b. ca. 1553, m. Susann Warren and had sons Jacob and >>> Thomas. >>> Jacob, b. 12 Aug 1582, no more info, perhaps died young. >>> Thomas, b. 11 Oct 1584, m. Susan Riddlesdale (Chart #1) >>> --------------------- >>> William, b. 25 Jul 1580 had children Thomas and Jacob (1606 & >>> 1608) >>> in Twinstead. He >>> may also have had a son, William, born 1605 >>> (Chart #2) >>> >>> These names are so close, but I cannot find a tie-in yet. Mara >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Jim French wrote: >>> >>>> Charles, Scott and I share a common ancestry, based on exciting >>>> new >>>> information from Y chromosome markers. As more markers are used >>>> the >>>> evidence is only growing stronger and stronger. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >>>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: >>> 2/5/2007 2:04 PM >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of >> the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Mara, How can I get copies of the different charts...or is it possible? You mentioned being a descendant of Richard French. I have a Richard French 1595 married Elizabeth Fuller. We have another French from a different line, but I don't know any parents for him. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mara French" <marafrench@mindspring.com> To: <french@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] WILLIAM OF BILLERICA and JACOB OFASSINGTON--DNAevidence for a close relationship > Yes you're right, John is FFA Chart #3. > No, I'm not a proven male descendant of either William or John, but > I'm a female descendant > of Richard French, Chart #6, who is in DNA Group 3. One of my > brothers will order a DNA test. > Mara French > > On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:14 PM, SCOTT wrote: > >> Whoever William French's (FFA Chart #2) father was, he had another >> son, John French (FFA Chart #3). >> Since Jim and I have a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match, we >> have a reasonably recent common ancestor. Perhaps that ancestor is >> Jacob French (b. 1553). Pedigrees here: http://small-stuff.com/ >> FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm >> Are you a proven male descendant of either William or John? If you >> are, there are thousands of reasons to order a DNA sample kit from >> familytreedna (http://www.familytreedna.com/default.asp). >> Thanks, >> Scott French >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mara French >> To: aroid@rci.rutgers.edu ; french@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:07 PM >> Subject: Re: [FRENCH] WILLIAM OF BILLERICA and JACOB OF >> ASSINGTON--DNAevidence for a close relationship >> >> >> RE: DNA http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm >> >> Jim is referring to William French of Billerica, MA (FFA Chart >> #2) and >> Jacob -> Thomas French of Assington England to Ipswich, MA (FFA >> Chart >> #1). >> William was from Halstead England, only 7 miles from Assington, with >> the county border of Essex and Suffolk in between. Both these men >> immigrated to New England during the 1630s. >> >> Thomas French, b. ca. 1520 in Assington, m. Bridget and had 2 sons, >> Thomas and Jacob. >> Jacob French, b. ca. 1553, m. Susann Warren and had sons Jacob and >> Thomas. >> Jacob, b. 12 Aug 1582, no more info, perhaps died young. >> Thomas, b. 11 Oct 1584, m. Susan Riddlesdale (Chart #1) >> --------------------- >> William, b. 25 Jul 1580 had children Thomas and Jacob (1606 & 1608) >> in Twinstead. He >> may also have had a son, William, born 1605 >> (Chart #2) >> >> These names are so close, but I cannot find a tie-in yet. Mara >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Jim French wrote: >> >>> Charles, Scott and I share a common ancestry, based on exciting >>> new >>> information from Y chromosome markers. As more markers are used the >>> evidence is only growing stronger and stronger. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >>> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: >> 2/5/2007 2:04 PM >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Scott, Am not ignoring you. Have been extremely busy and no time, but did just read your latest interchange. Quickly, I don't think doing a DNA test will do me any good since I'm not a French male. I did the Whitney DNA test, so if there is some way that researchers can take a look at my DNA from that, or if there is something new in DNA testing that I don't know about, please let me know. Things should ease up a little by Wednesday afternoon and I'll try to squeeze in some time for some thoughtful responses. Oh, someplace you mentioned the name "Sumner." My French family has a couple of "Sumners" in it: Norman Sumner French and another with Sumner as his first name. Do you know where the Sumner in your family originated? Jon On Feb 1, 2007, at 6:27 PM, SCOTT wrote: > Jonathan - Since we share the common ancestor, WILLIAM FRENCH OF > BILLERICA, > I will resend this message to RootsWeb with the subject: WILLIAM OF > BILLERICA, JACOB OF ASSINGTON. > I am doing so because the thread, [FRENCH] French Family in VT, > applies to > my lineage but not yours. And I would like to discuss the > connection between > WILLIAM and JACOB as a stand-alone topic. > Thanks, > Scott French > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: SCOTT > To: french@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [FRENCH] French Family in VT > > > Jonathan - > William French (born between 19nov1602 and 5june1603; immigrated > USA 1635; > died 20nov1681, Billerica, MA age 78) is my paternal > ggg,ggg,gggrandfather. > We are cousins. My lineage is William, John, William ... > Would you be interested in sharing information? > Scott French > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jonathan Whitney > To: french@rootsweb.com > Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 1:42 PM > Subject: Re: [FRENCH] French Family in VT > > > Mildred, > > You don't give us much information to go on. Do you know Ezra's > father's name or where Ezra was born? My Frenches went from > Billerica, MA, to Cambridge, VT, before migrating to northwest > Illinois. My 2nd great-grandfather Asa Mason French was born in > Cambridge, but his father Jacob was born in Billerica in 1771. His > grandfather (Jacob's father) was also named Jacob and had a son Ezra > who was born in Billerica in 1746. I'm sure this is not your Ezra, > but the families (at least my French family) tended to repeat the > names in succeeding generations. Henry Hazen's book "History of > Billerica" is my source. I do not know if it is completely accurate, > but it is so far the best information I have. I have not checked the > census records. The book shows that this Ezra died a few days after > birth, but that does not mean that one or another of is siblings may > have moved to VT and continued the name usage. I guess what I'm > suggesting is that Billerica, MA, may be a good starting point for > you in your search. I looked through the book quickly, but didn't > find anything, but other records, births, deaths, census, etc. may > yield the information you are seeking. Hazen's book is available > through Higginson Book Company of Salem, MA, or through the > Billerica > Historical Society's web site. Good luck in your search. > > Jon Whitney > > On Jan 26, 2007, at 8:12 AM, Mildred wrote: > >> My FRENCH family came from Mass. to Chittenden County, VT. The one >> born in >> 1800 in VT was Ezra French, who married Margaret Woodward. I can't >> seem to >> go back any farther than that, but it does say in one of the >> censuses that >> Ezra French's father was born in Mass. >> >> Does anyone have this same family line? >> >> Mildred in WI >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: > 1/26/2007 > 11:11 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.12/653 - Release Date: > 1/26/2007 > 11:11 AM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Whoever William French's (FFA Chart #2) father was, he had another son, John French (FFA Chart #3). Since Jim and I have a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match, we have a reasonably recent common ancestor. Perhaps that ancestor is Jacob French (b. 1553). Pedigrees here: http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm Are you a proven male descendant of either William or John? If you are, there are thousands of reasons to order a DNA sample kit from familytreedna (http://www.familytreedna.com/default.asp). Thanks, Scott French ----- Original Message ----- From: Mara French To: aroid@rci.rutgers.edu ; french@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] WILLIAM OF BILLERICA and JACOB OF ASSINGTON--DNAevidence for a close relationship RE: DNA http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm Jim is referring to William French of Billerica, MA (FFA Chart #2) and Jacob -> Thomas French of Assington England to Ipswich, MA (FFA Chart #1). William was from Halstead England, only 7 miles from Assington, with the county border of Essex and Suffolk in between. Both these men immigrated to New England during the 1630s. Thomas French, b. ca. 1520 in Assington, m. Bridget and had 2 sons, Thomas and Jacob. Jacob French, b. ca. 1553, m. Susann Warren and had sons Jacob and Thomas. Jacob, b. 12 Aug 1582, no more info, perhaps died young. Thomas, b. 11 Oct 1584, m. Susan Riddlesdale (Chart #1) --------------------- William, b. 25 Jul 1580 had children Thomas and Jacob (1606 & 1608) in Twinstead. He may also have had a son, William, born 1605 (Chart #2) These names are so close, but I cannot find a tie-in yet. Mara On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Jim French wrote: > Charles, Scott and I share a common ancestry, based on exciting > new > information from Y chromosome markers. As more markers are used the > evidence is only growing stronger and stronger. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: 2/5/2007 2:04 PM
Yes you're right, John is FFA Chart #3. No, I'm not a proven male descendant of either William or John, but I'm a female descendant of Richard French, Chart #6, who is in DNA Group 3. One of my brothers will order a DNA test. Mara French On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:14 PM, SCOTT wrote: > Whoever William French's (FFA Chart #2) father was, he had another > son, John French (FFA Chart #3). > Since Jim and I have a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match, we > have a reasonably recent common ancestor. Perhaps that ancestor is > Jacob French (b. 1553). Pedigrees here: http://small-stuff.com/ > FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm > Are you a proven male descendant of either William or John? If you > are, there are thousands of reasons to order a DNA sample kit from > familytreedna (http://www.familytreedna.com/default.asp). > Thanks, > Scott French > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mara French > To: aroid@rci.rutgers.edu ; french@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 4:07 PM > Subject: Re: [FRENCH] WILLIAM OF BILLERICA and JACOB OF > ASSINGTON--DNAevidence for a close relationship > > > RE: DNA http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm > > Jim is referring to William French of Billerica, MA (FFA Chart > #2) and > Jacob -> Thomas French of Assington England to Ipswich, MA (FFA > Chart > #1). > William was from Halstead England, only 7 miles from Assington, with > the county border of Essex and Suffolk in between. Both these men > immigrated to New England during the 1630s. > > Thomas French, b. ca. 1520 in Assington, m. Bridget and had 2 sons, > Thomas and Jacob. > Jacob French, b. ca. 1553, m. Susann Warren and had sons Jacob and > Thomas. > Jacob, b. 12 Aug 1582, no more info, perhaps died young. > Thomas, b. 11 Oct 1584, m. Susan Riddlesdale (Chart #1) > --------------------- > William, b. 25 Jul 1580 had children Thomas and Jacob (1606 & 1608) > in Twinstead. He > may also have had a son, William, born 1605 > (Chart #2) > > These names are so close, but I cannot find a tie-in yet. Mara > > > > > > On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Jim French wrote: > >> Charles, Scott and I share a common ancestry, based on exciting >> new >> information from Y chromosome markers. As more markers are used the >> evidence is only growing stronger and stronger. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- >> request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.26/670 - Release Date: > 2/5/2007 2:04 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Charles, Scott and I share a common ancestry, based on exciting new information from Y chromosome markers. As more markers are used the evidence is only growing stronger and stronger.
Charles, Scott and I share a common ancestry, but the details are a bit murky. There is a 90% likelihood Charles and I are linked within the last 12 generations to Jacob French of Assington, and a similar but slightly more distant relation to Scott, thru William of Billerica.
RE: DNA http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm Jim is referring to William French of Billerica, MA (FFA Chart #2) and Jacob -> Thomas French of Assington England to Ipswich, MA (FFA Chart #1). William was from Halstead England, only 7 miles from Assington, with the county border of Essex and Suffolk in between. Both these men immigrated to New England during the 1630s. Thomas French, b. ca. 1520 in Assington, m. Bridget and had 2 sons, Thomas and Jacob. Jacob French, b. ca. 1553, m. Susann Warren and had sons Jacob and Thomas. Jacob, b. 12 Aug 1582, no more info, perhaps died young. Thomas, b. 11 Oct 1584, m. Susan Riddlesdale (Chart #1) --------------------- William, b. 25 Jul 1580 had children Thomas and Jacob (1606 & 1608) in Twinstead. He may also have had a son, William, born 1605 (Chart #2) These names are so close, but I cannot find a tie-in yet. Mara On Feb 5, 2007, at 12:25 PM, Jim French wrote: > Charles, Scott and I share a common ancestry, based on exciting > new > information from Y chromosome markers. As more markers are used the > evidence is only growing stronger and stronger. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Here are some notes (received from Kaye Scheiman) on various legal records from Mercer County, KY. Some of them include Henry and Samuel French together. Though nothing says they are brothers, it certainly appears that they are closely related. FRENCH-Mercer Co., KY Circuit Court Records: JUDGEMENT BOX M#5 - John Milner Versus Samuel French, etc. 1794 A bond of Samuel French, John Bridges and James Harbison is filed 3 June 1794 in the amount of 40 pounds. The condition is that John Milner has brought suit against Samuel French on a debt. Bridges and Harbison are security on the bond which is to be void when ??? horses belonging to French are delivered to the Sheriff of Mercer Co., on Sat. 21 of June. JUDGMENT BOX S#9 - Elisha Stone Versus Samuel French 1804 Elisha Stone claims he paid off a note to Samuel French which he had owed him on an occasion when he did not have the note on his person and when he was away from home where the note was kept. Therefore, he did not get the note, but French promised to give it to him or else to tear it up. It appears neither was done and it was assigned by French to Edward Shipley to apply on one of his own debts. Said executors of French are now suing Stone for collection and he in turn is suing French to recover amount of the note. JUDGMENT BOX N#2 - Bernard Neal Versus Samuel and Henry French* 1794 Promissory Note: Samuel French promises to deliver to Bernard Neal in Danville five second rate cows and calves not to exceed 8 years old nor under five on April 1st ensuing. 17 Dec 1792 Signed: Samuel (his mark) French Witness: John Warren Said French has failed to deliver the cows and calves and Neal sues. Bond: Samuel French and Henry French* are bound unto Bernard Neal in sum of 41 pounds, 2 shillings, and 4 pence. We bind ourselves and each of our heirs this 20th July 1795. Obligation of the bond is that Neal has served out of Court and execution against the estate of Samuel French for 17 pounds, 10 shillings plus costs. Said Samuel French has tendered Henry French as his security and the debt has been levied on a white horse and a saddle and bridle. If either Samuel or Henry deliver the property to the Sheriff of Mercer Co. on the second Sat. next month, this obligation to be void else to remain in full force and virtue. Signed: Samuel (his mark) French Henry French Witness: Thomas Hanna The following statement is handwritten by Kaye S. or Eliza K.: Here we find Henry French and Samuel French appearing on the same documents before 1800 which is a good indication they were related. JUDGMENT BOX F#2 Samuel French Versus James Harbison 1796 Summons issued on behalf of Samuel French in a certain matter of controversy between him and James Harberson [sic], June 1796, to John Bridges, Henry Goodnight, and Charles Hart. The controversy is over a sorel stud horse which Harberson [sic] purchased of French on July 1794 and has failed to pay the amount of 75 pounds which he promised for the horse named Pilgrim. JUDGMENT BOX F#2 Samuel French Versus Andrew Quigley 1796 Andrew Quigley has served out of the Mercer Circuit Court an execution against the estate of Samuel French. It was levied against two horses which belonged to French. French makes bond with Isaac Coffman as his security. If either of them deliver the horses to the Sheriff of Mercer Co. at Harrodsburg the second Sat. in next month, then this obligation to be void. JUDGMENT BOX F#3 Henry and Samuel French Versus Joslems Executors 1797 Henry and Samuel French* make a bond to Edward Powell, executor of Joslem, decd., in the sum of 158 pounds, 13 shillings, 9 pence of the 14th of Sept. 1796. The condition of the bond is such that the executor of Joslem has served an execution against the estate of Henry French and the same was levied against a wagon and 4 horses, the property of said Henry, and he tendered Samuel French his security for the delivery of the wagon and horses. Now if either Henry or Samuel French deliver to the Sheriff of Mercer Co. at Harrodsburg on the second Saturday in next month, then this obligation is to be void, else to remain in full force and virtue. Signatures: Henry Samuel French Witness: Thomas Hannah [sic] JUDGMENT BOX F#23 Sarah French, on a Petition 1839 Sarah French, widow of John S. French, on a petition to sell a tract of 51 acres of which her deceased husband died seized and possessed. Catherine French is the only child of Sarah and John S. French, and she is an infant under age. Her mother is acting guardian of the child. John S. French died 4 April 1835. The tract of land to be sold is part of Henry Wilsons 1000 acre preemption and is bounded by lands of John Cozines heirs Widow Vannice John Comingore Widow Comingore Charles Riker. ORDER BK. 1 PAGE 21 MERCER COUNTY, KY. Mar. 28, 1787 Luke Foster vs. Henry French on petition. Dismissed by Court; plaintiff to pay costs of defendant. A LIST OF LANDS TAKEN BY JAMES CLARK IN THE COUNTY OF MERCER, 1795 Henry French 400 A. 1st rate land in Mercer Co. on Salt River Tax paid 1792, 1793, 1794 Henry French 200 A. 2nd rate land in Mercer Co. on Salt River Tax paid 1792, 1793, 1794 Henry French 200 A. 2nd rate land in Shelby Co. on Plumb Ck. No tax pd. Henry French 338 A. 3rd rate land in Scott Co. on N. Elkhorn No tax paid. Henry French 400 A. 3rd rate land in Clark or Mason Co. No tax pd. Henry French 1000 A. 3rd rate land in Clark Co. No tax paid. INSOLVENTS AND REMOVALS FROM MERCER CO., 1798 Samuel French SECOND CENSUS OF KY., 1800 Henry French Mercer Co. Samuel French Mercer Co. David French Jefferson Co. (Davids name appears on a least two marriage records in Mercer Co. before 1800.) LINCOLN COUNTY, KY. WILLS (Mercer Co. was formed from Lincoln, 1785) WILL BOOK A PAGE ___ EDWARD BULGERS WILL Date: Aug. 21, 1782 Witnesses: John Reed Henry French William Crow Deb S.
Scott -- The answer of Christopher Houts shows the relationship between Henry (who was the complainant in the lawsuit) and Samuel. I am including the transcription of this answer below that I have in my records. I am unsure where you were researching but these records were contained in the Clerk of the Mercer Circuit Court's office, not the County Clerk. They are the original papers from the 1700s and 1800s. Unfortunately, these records have been removed from Mrs. Bishop's office to Frankfort now to the Archives. They can still be viewed but the conditions are very stringent before they will allow them to be accessed. They were contained in bundles tied with ribbons when they were still here in Mercer County. There is also another reference that refers to their relationship as brothers but I can't lay my hands on it at this time. The reference while it was still here was Bundle F - 1798. You had to literally look through the entire bundle to locate documents and they were and are very fragile. Some were too fragile to photocopy. Does this help? The question marks are mine because I was unsure about the verbage. Lawsuit - French v. Houts - Mercer County, Kentucky: The answer of Christopher Houts[1] in a Bill of Chancery exhibited against himself by Henry French in the Court of Mercer County This Deft now and at all other times saving and reserving to himself all &~ all manner of Benefits of exception to the many errors, untruths &~ uncertainties in the said complainats (sic) Bill of Complaint contained the answer thereto or as much thereof as it is advised it is material for him to answer to he answers it and saith That here it is that this Deft instituted a suit ___________ Judgment at common Law against s'd com't on a Note assigned to this Deft from Isaac Coffman and this Deft expressly says that before he traded (?) for said Note he talked with Complt who acknowledged it to be Just &~ said he would pay it. This Deft says that the comp't never did deliver a Note on Smith or any other person for fifty Bushels of salt as stated in the Bill But Samuel French[2] a Brother of the Comp't being indebted to this Deft offered a Note on s'd Smith which note was executed to the Comp't as a Discharge or payment of the debt owed by the s'd Samuel French to this Deft But this Deft believes from what had passed said Smith was insolvent utterly refused to take the Note as a payment of the debt owed by Samuel French. The s'd Samuel French then said that he knew the s'd Smith was not good for payment of the Note but requested this Deft to take the Note as a Neighbour & friend and try to get something. This Deft took s'd Note but never got anything from s'd note from Smith & afterwards s'd Samuel discharged the debt he owed to this Deft took back the Note on Smith & the s'd note this Deft has since seen as he believes in the possession of William McGinnis who told this Deft that he received the s'd note from Samuel French. That this Deft never heard that the com't set up any claim to s'd note on Smith untill very latterly (?) and since this Deft sued the Comp & often since the said Samuel delivered the s'd note on Smith, the Comp't has acknowledged the Justice of the debt he owed to this Deft. This Deft. Positively declares that he did give s'd Comp't notice according to the requisitions of the Note on which suit was brought & that it was proven on the trial a Common Law & this Deft further says that when he gave notice to s'd Comp't he hired Waggons to go for the salt & also some hides he had at the Falls one of which Waggons belonged to the Comp't & the said wagons went to the Falls for the Hides, then went to the Lick & waited two days as this Deft is informed & believes & then returned without any salt. This Deft. Conceives that the Comp't had fair trial a(t) Common Law, that on the day of trial he believes that the Councile moved for a Continuance of the cause on account of the absence of some of the Witnesses and for the want of the deposition of Smith, but the Court perceiving that no steps had been taken by the Comp't to take the Deposition of s'd Smith & that the cause had been continued on the Docket for a Considerable time ruled the Comp't on to trial & this Deft verily believes that the object of the Comp't is delay for after the Deft commenced suit in a private conversation this Deft asked the Comp't why he by his plea denyed the debt since he has always acknowledged it to be Just, the Comp't said that he was afraid the Deft would get Judgment against him and distress his family while he was gone to the settlement. He told this Deft that he did not know the nature of Law as he did, that the Lawyers would plead anything to keep off the suit but that he would get money while he was gone & would pay this Deft as soon as he returned. This Deft. Says that he never got any notice from s'd Comp't that he was about to take the Deposition of Smith & does not know that a new trial was moved for at term when Judgment was obtained & conceives that it would be extreamly (sic) unjust that there should be a new trial granted & that it would tend to promote delay & injustice even if their (sic) might have been a reason for a new Trial. That this Comp'ts application is too late but denies that there is any reason. Christopher Houts This day came Christopher Houts personally before me one of the Justices of the Peace for said County and made Oath that the within answer is true so far as he recollects from his own knowledge & what he recollects from the information of others believes to be true given under my hand this 27th day of February 1798 Hugh McGary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] This suit is included not only because it establishes the relationship between Henry and Samuel but it offers another clue as to the migration pattern of the Frenches to Kentucky. Christopher Houts (Houtz) was also located in Shenandoah County (West) Virginia with Henry Franch in the 1790 census. Isaac Coffman was also included in this same census. [2] The language in this answer confirms the relationship between Samuel French and Henry French. In addition, there is a deposition wherein the deponent testifies as to their relationship. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSCOTT736@aol.com> To: <french@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] FRENCH Digest, > Back to chart # 31 - to Dianna Rose, you state that Samuel French was > definitely Henry's brother, and you said a deposition attested to by Hugh > McGary > in the Mercer Circuit Court Records. I have looked at the Mercer County > records, can't seem to find it. Would appreciate an address, or copy of > this > document. Thanks, > S.Scott > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Scott -- The answer of Christopher Houts shows the relationship between Henry (who was the complainant in the lawsuit) and Samuel. I am including the transcription of this answer below that I have in my records. I am unsure where you were researching but these records were contained in the Clerk of the Mercer Circuit Court's office, not the County Clerk. They are the original papers from the 1700s and 1800s. Unfortunately, these records have been removed from Mrs. Bishop's office to Frankfort now to the Archives. They can still be viewed but the conditions are very stringent before they will allow them to be accessed. They were contained in bundles tied with ribbons when they were still here in Mercer County. There is also another reference that refers to their relationship as brothers but I can't lay my hands on it at this time. The reference while it was still here was Bundle F - 1798. You had to literally look through the entire bundle to locate documents and they were and are very fragile. Some were too fragile to photocopy. Does this help? The question marks are mine because I was unsure about the verbage. Lawsuit - French v. Houts - Mercer County, Kentucky: The answer of Christopher Houts[1] in a Bill of Chancery exhibited against himself by Henry French in the Court of Mercer County This Deft now and at all other times saving and reserving to himself all &~ all manner of Benefits of exception to the many errors, untruths &~ uncertainties in the said complainats (sic) Bill of Complaint contained the answer thereto or as much thereof as it is advised it is material for him to answer to he answers it and saith That here it is that this Deft instituted a suit ___________ Judgment at common Law against s'd com't on a Note assigned to this Deft from Isaac Coffman and this Deft expressly says that before he traded (?) for said Note he talked with Complt who acknowledged it to be Just &~ said he would pay it. This Deft says that the comp't never did deliver a Note on Smith or any other person for fifty Bushels of salt as stated in the Bill But Samuel French[2] a Brother of the Comp't being indebted to this Deft offered a Note on s'd Smith which note was executed to the Comp't as a Discharge or payment of the debt owed by the s'd Samuel French to this Deft But this Deft believes from what had passed said Smith was insolvent utterly refused to take the Note as a payment of the debt owed by Samuel French. The s'd Samuel French then said that he knew the s'd Smith was not good for payment of the Note but requested this Deft to take the Note as a Neighbour & friend and try to get something. This Deft took s'd Note but never got anything from s'd note from Smith & afterwards s'd Samuel discharged the debt he owed to this Deft took back the Note on Smith & the s'd note this Deft has since seen as he believes in the possession of William McGinnis who told this Deft that he received the s'd note from Samuel French. That this Deft never heard that the com't set up any claim to s'd note on Smith untill very latterly (?) and since this Deft sued the Comp & often since the said Samuel delivered the s'd note on Smith, the Comp't has acknowledged the Justice of the debt he owed to this Deft. This Deft. Positively declares that he did give s'd Comp't notice according to the requisitions of the Note on which suit was brought & that it was proven on the trial a Common Law & this Deft further says that when he gave notice to s'd Comp't he hired Waggons to go for the salt & also some hides he had at the Falls one of which Waggons belonged to the Comp't & the said wagons went to the Falls for the Hides, then went to the Lick & waited two days as this Deft is informed & believes & then returned without any salt. This Deft. Conceives that the Comp't had fair trial a(t) Common Law, that on the day of trial he believes that the Councile moved for a Continuance of the cause on account of the absence of some of the Witnesses and for the want of the deposition of Smith, but the Court perceiving that no steps had been taken by the Comp't to take the Deposition of s'd Smith & that the cause had been continued on the Docket for a Considerable time ruled the Comp't on to trial & this Deft verily believes that the object of the Comp't is delay for after the Deft commenced suit in a private conversation this Deft asked the Comp't why he by his plea denyed the debt since he has always acknowledged it to be Just, the Comp't said that he was afraid the Deft would get Judgment against him and distress his family while he was gone to the settlement. He told this Deft that he did not know the nature of Law as he did, that the Lawyers would plead anything to keep off the suit but that he would get money while he was gone & would pay this Deft as soon as he returned. This Deft. Says that he never got any notice from s'd Comp't that he was about to take the Deposition of Smith & does not know that a new trial was moved for at term when Judgment was obtained & conceives that it would be extreamly (sic) unjust that there should be a new trial granted & that it would tend to promote delay & injustice even if their (sic) might have been a reason for a new Trial. That this Comp'ts application is too late but denies that there is any reason. Christopher Houts This day came Christopher Houts personally before me one of the Justices of the Peace for said County and made Oath that the within answer is true so far as he recollects from his own knowledge & what he recollects from the information of others believes to be true given under my hand this 27th day of February 1798 Hugh McGary -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [1] This suit is included not only because it establishes the relationship between Henry and Samuel but it offers another clue as to the migration pattern of the Frenches to Kentucky. Christopher Houts (Houtz) was also located in Shenandoah County (West) Virginia with Henry Franch in the 1790 census. Isaac Coffman was also included in this same census. [2] The language in this answer confirms the relationship between Samuel French and Henry French. In addition, there is a deposition wherein the deponent testifies as to their relationship. ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSCOTT736@aol.com> To: <french@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] FRENCH Digest, > Back to chart # 31 - to Dianna Rose, you state that Samuel French was > definitely Henry's brother, and you said a deposition attested to by Hugh > McGary > in the Mercer Circuit Court Records. I have looked at the Mercer County > records, can't seem to find it. Would appreciate an address, or copy of > this > document. Thanks, > S.Scott > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >