Maybe I have not been making myself clear, Warner French was my ggf, I have his picture, my grandmother resembles him. I thought for several years that he was the son of Phillip & Sarah..but upon closer examination, he was Phillips' son & mother unknown! Since we are stuck on Phillip---I am atempting to find Warner and maybe that will unlock a piece of the the puzzle. Phillip is supposed to have been b. in KY but the 1820 census in Butler co. OH says he was b. OH. Census records do have mistakes sometimes. Who knows??? mhh

I may have mislead someone with Warner's information. He was born abt. 1812 according to 1850 census. Phillip & Sarah married in Aug 1813 Butler co. OH. Sarah's family did not have him listed are being her son. However, he is listed #1 in Phillip's probate document. One of the sons of Phillip & Sarah Randall was Felix Fielding French or the reverse. I have seen it both ways. There was also a Fielding in the George W. & E.Sturman line. I lived most of my life in vermilion co. IL where that line was. I heard that those Frenches were related to us but never knew what the connection was. I am pretty sure that David (who m. Rebecca S.) and Phillip may hve been brothers. They owned land close together in Warren & Vemillion counties in IN. I have a few land records and am trying to find a good plat map of Warren county.

Hi Deb, I removed the miscellaneous info about George Washington and will post the update to Chart #31 soon. Mara On Feb 18, 2007, at 9:46 PM, skoff@comcast.net wrote: > George French's wife, Elizabeth Sturman, had a sister (Rebecca) who > married Isaac Hudson/Hutson in 1813 in Knox Co., IN. Isaac was > killed in an Indian attack and then Rebecca married a David French > (1816 in Knox Co., IN). They lived in Warren Co., IN. I have in my > notes that there may be a "Warner French" on the same page as David > French in Warren Co., IN in the 1840 census. I don't have any proof > that this David French was related to George French, but it seems > likely to me. Elizabeth and Rebecca's parents were Thomas Humphrey > Sturman and Mary Lewis. > > The reason I asked about "Lewis" and "Fielding" along with "Warner" > is that in the FFA Chart #31 it says (in reference to George French > and Elizabeth Sturman) that " Ref {35} knows about the connection > between the Sturman and Geo. Washington line." George Washington's > sister was married to Fielding Lewis "of Warner Hall". > > I think that Ref {35} thought there could be a connection between > Elizabeth and Rebecca Sturman's mother-- Mary Lewis-- and Fielding > Lewis. The bio of Ersom French does say that Elizabeth Sturman's > grandfather was a guard to Geo Washington throughout the > Revolutionary War. Also, Chart #31 on Elizabeth Shelton (or > Sturman) French says that "One of the younger boys in this family > was in a play. His grandmother made a George Washington costume. > People said he looked like George Washington. His grandmother said > he was related to George Washington. This legend has come down > through many branches of the family in IL, SD, and NE [22]." > > It would be interesting to get good proof of some of the middle > names given for the French's in Chart #31, like Henry Fielding > FRENCH (census records say "Henry F. French"). > > Deb S. > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Myrtle Gibson <myrtle@montana.com> >> We have two short notes on Warner French. In trying to clarify my >> William >> French, I noted that there was a Warner L. French 1842-1862. In >> our family, >> we have Louis French, and have wondered whether Warner L. French >> was Warner >> Louis, but have nothing to signify this. >> >> Also, on the 1860 Ohio County Kentucky Census, Warner French was >> living in >> the household of my ancestors, David Shively French, 59, and Ann >> Hudson >> French, 58. An annotated version of the census gave that person as >> Warner >> C. 17. I wouldn't get too hung up on Warner C. vs Warner L. until >> I had >> looked at the original census. A curlicue "C," "L," and "B" can >> all look >> very much alike. >> >> Myrtle Gibson >> >> >> At 02:23 AM 2/19/2007 +0000, you wrote: >> >>> Marilyn, >>> >>> Are there any of your French's named "Lewis" or "Fielding" in >>> addition to >>> "Warner"? >>> >>> Deb S. >>> >>> -------------- Original message ---------------------- >>> From: "Marilyn Horton" <mteach209@msn.com> >>>> Warner is listed #1 in Phillip's probate document. However, he >>>> apparently >>>> isn't the son of Sarah Randall. The Randall descendent that I have >>> been in >>>> touch with did not have him listed as her son and his birthdate >>>> doesn't >>> fit. >>>> Here is what I am wondering: >>>> >>>> Could Warner have been given the surname of a possible mother or >>>> grandmother? >>>> >>>> Does anyone have a French Warner connecition? >>>> >>>> Phillip was born in KY but could have gone across the river to >>>> marry. >>>> >>>> mhh >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: >>> 2/17/2007 >> >> Myrtle Gibson >> Bozeman, MT >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

George French's wife, Elizabeth Sturman, had a sister (Rebecca) who married Isaac Hudson/Hutson in 1813 in Knox Co., IN. Isaac was killed in an Indian attack and then Rebecca married a David French (1816 in Knox Co., IN). They lived in Warren Co., IN. I have in my notes that there may be a "Warner French" on the same page as David French in Warren Co., IN in the 1840 census. I don't have any proof that this David French was related to George French, but it seems likely to me. Elizabeth and Rebecca's parents were Thomas Humphrey Sturman and Mary Lewis. The reason I asked about "Lewis" and "Fielding" along with "Warner" is that in the FFA Chart #31 it says (in reference to George French and Elizabeth Sturman) that " Ref {35} knows about the connection between the Sturman and Geo. Washington line." George Washington's sister was married to Fielding Lewis "of Warner Hall". I think that Ref {35} thought there could be a connection between Elizabeth and Rebecca Sturman's mother-- Mary Lewis-- and Fielding Lewis. The bio of Ersom French does say that Elizabeth Sturman's grandfather was a guard to Geo Washington throughout the Revolutionary War. Also, Chart #31 on Elizabeth Shelton (or Sturman) French says that "One of the younger boys in this family was in a play. His grandmother made a George Washington costume. People said he looked like George Washington. His grandmother said he was related to George Washington. This legend has come down through many branches of the family in IL, SD, and NE [22]." It would be interesting to get good proof of some of the middle names given for the French's in Chart #31, like Henry Fielding FRENCH (census records say "Henry F. French"). Deb S. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Myrtle Gibson <myrtle@montana.com> > We have two short notes on Warner French. In trying to clarify my William > French, I noted that there was a Warner L. French 1842-1862. In our family, > we have Louis French, and have wondered whether Warner L. French was Warner > Louis, but have nothing to signify this. > > Also, on the 1860 Ohio County Kentucky Census, Warner French was living in > the household of my ancestors, David Shively French, 59, and Ann Hudson > French, 58. An annotated version of the census gave that person as Warner > C. 17. I wouldn't get too hung up on Warner C. vs Warner L. until I had > looked at the original census. A curlicue "C," "L," and "B" can all look > very much alike. > > Myrtle Gibson > > > At 02:23 AM 2/19/2007 +0000, you wrote: > > >Marilyn, > > > >Are there any of your French's named "Lewis" or "Fielding" in addition to > >"Warner"? > > > >Deb S. > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > >From: "Marilyn Horton" <mteach209@msn.com> > > > Warner is listed #1 in Phillip's probate document. However, he apparently > > > isn't the son of Sarah Randall. The Randall descendent that I have > > been in > > > touch with did not have him listed as her son and his birthdate doesn't > > fit. > > > Here is what I am wondering: > > > > > > Could Warner have been given the surname of a possible mother or > > > grandmother? > > > > > > Does anyone have a French Warner connecition? > > > > > > Phillip was born in KY but could have gone across the river to marry. > > > > > > mhh > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in > > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > >in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Free Edition. > >Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 > > Myrtle Gibson > Bozeman, MT > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

Marilyn, Are there any of your French's named "Lewis" or "Fielding" in addition to "Warner"? Deb S. -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Marilyn Horton" <mteach209@msn.com> > Warner is listed #1 in Phillip's probate document. However, he apparently > isn't the son of Sarah Randall. The Randall descendent that I have been in > touch with did not have him listed as her son and his birthdate doesn't fit. > Here is what I am wondering: > > Could Warner have been given the surname of a possible mother or > grandmother? > > Does anyone have a French Warner connecition? > > Phillip was born in KY but could have gone across the river to marry. > > mhh > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

We have two short notes on Warner French. In trying to clarify my William French, I noted that there was a Warner L. French 1842-1862. In our family, we have Louis French, and have wondered whether Warner L. French was Warner Louis, but have nothing to signify this. Also, on the 1860 Ohio County Kentucky Census, Warner French was living in the household of my ancestors, David Shively French, 59, and Ann Hudson French, 58. An annotated version of the census gave that person as Warner C. 17. I wouldn't get too hung up on Warner C. vs Warner L. until I had looked at the original census. A curlicue "C," "L," and "B" can all look very much alike. Myrtle Gibson At 02:23 AM 2/19/2007 +0000, you wrote: >Marilyn, > >Are there any of your French's named "Lewis" or "Fielding" in addition to >"Warner"? > >Deb S. > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "Marilyn Horton" <mteach209@msn.com> > > Warner is listed #1 in Phillip's probate document. However, he apparently > > isn't the son of Sarah Randall. The Randall descendent that I have > been in > > touch with did not have him listed as her son and his birthdate doesn't > fit. > > Here is what I am wondering: > > > > Could Warner have been given the surname of a possible mother or > > grandmother? > > > > Does anyone have a French Warner connecition? > > > > Phillip was born in KY but could have gone across the river to marry. > > > > mhh > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > > the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.1/691 - Release Date: 2/17/2007 Myrtle Gibson Bozeman, MT

Warner is listed #1 in Phillip's probate document. However, he apparently isn't the son of Sarah Randall. The Randall descendent that I have been in touch with did not have him listed as her son and his birthdate doesn't fit. Here is what I am wondering: Could Warner have been given the surname of a possible mother or grandmother? Does anyone have a French Warner connecition? Phillip was born in KY but could have gone across the river to marry. mhh

Bettie (daughter of George and Isabelle) is buried in the Bethel Presbyterian Church Cemetery. Her brother, William, is also buried there with his wife Mollie. I don't know who the Bettie French is in the Nield Cemetery but I will try to find out for you. Dianna ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSCOTT736@aol.com> To: <french@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:19 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] FRENCH Digest, Vol 2, Issue 43 > Thanks Dianna: > > I have a picture of a tomb stone taken in the Nield cemetery, (out in the > middle of a pasture) of a Bettie French, but it says wife of W. E. French, > born > 5 Apr 1858, died Aug 21, 1881 - Evidently a different Bettie. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks Dianna: I have a picture of a tomb stone taken in the Nield cemetery, (out in the middle of a pasture) of a Bettie French, but it says wife of W. E. French, born 5 Apr 1858, died Aug 21, 1881 - Evidently a different Bettie.

Does anyone have a George W. French born in the 1830's with a wife Mary A.? My George's middle name is William. Thanks, Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSCOTT736@aol.com> To: <french@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] FRENCH Digest, Vol 2, Issue 42 > Dianna: > Can you give us the children of George W. French with wife Charity Banta, > and a list of children of George W. French and Isabelle Burton Figg. Thanks

George Washington French and Isabella Burton had two children: Elizabeth Mildred (Bettie) French, b. 14 May 1856 d. 3 May 1937 and William E. French, b. 4 Jan 1859 d. 22 Jan 1943. George Washington French and Charity Bonta (Banta) had seven daughters: Eliza Jane b. 20 Jan 1838 d. 17 May 1854; Georgiana b. 28 Nov 1839 d. 27 Nov. 1840; Amanda Francis b. 10 May 1842 d. 9 Nov. 1924; Martha Ann b. 30 Aug. 1844 d. before 19 June 1929; Perlina Augusta b. 22 Feb. 1847 d. 2 July 1930; Rachel Lorra b. 16 July 1849 d. 2 March 1851 and Mary Lee French b. 16 Nov. 1851 d. 9 April 1915. I have sources for all these from death certificates, obituaries, census records, bibles, etc. except for Rachel Lorra. I am sure I have the source because, surely, I didn't just make it up but failed to enter it in my database. Now I'll have to find it again!! Hope this helps fill in the blanks for someone. Dianna Rose ----- Original Message ----- From: <SSCOTT736@aol.com> To: <french@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] FRENCH Digest, Vol 2, Issue 42 > Dianna: > Can you give us the children of George W. French with wife Charity Banta, > and a list of children of George W. French and Isabelle Burton Figg. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Dianna: Can you give us the children of George W. French with wife Charity Banta, and a list of children of George W. French and Isabelle Burton Figg. Thanks

Donna -- I can help!!! George is also my direct line though my line is from Isabelle Burton Figg, his second wife. George Washington French was the son of John French and Mary Lees Nield. The estate settlement papers are in the Boyle County Court Clerk's Office in Danville. Boyle County Courthouse, Settlement Book 3, Page 340 -- Settlement of the Estate of John French. June 3, 1871. W. J. Durham, Administrator of the Estate of John French. Distribution by Administrator to: Mrs. Fletcher, George French, Elizabeth Bonta, Ed French, John French, Mary A. Ludwick, and W. H. French. It lists advancements to: Emily Fletcher, George French, E. Bonta, Edward French, Mary Ann Ludwick, W.H. French, and John French. Of course, as you know, John was Henry's son. It took me forever to connect this because I looked at Henry's son George in Indiana/Illinois first as his father. His sister, Elizabeth French, married David Banta who I believe to be Charity's brother. His sister, Emily, who married James Fletcher is also buried in the Nield/French Family Cemetery. His brother Edward married Jane Banta. His brother John married Rachel Banta and he is the brother referenced in the obituary as still living in Missouri. His sister Mary Ann married James Ludwick. There were certainly a number of "double" cousins as a result of the marriages between the Frenches and Bantas. Hope this helps. Dianna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Ryan" <dgryan1@mac.com> To: <french@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] FRENCH Digest, Vol 2, Issue 5 > Dianna, > Maybe you can help me. My gr, gr, gr grandparents were Charity Banta > and George French. I have always thought he was a grandson of Henry > French > but can't figure out who his father is - thought probably John but not > sure. > Do you have any information? > George and Charity had a daughter, Perlina Augusta French who married > James Harvey Prewitt and their daughter, Laurie Lee Prewitt married > William > Alexander Weldon. My grandmother was Georgia Weldon who married James > Pollard of Garrard Co. > Thanks > Donna Ryan > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, I thank Jan who made a post on rootsweb for sending me the following bio. I have found him in the 1860, 1870 and 1880 censuses, but not yet in the 1850 census. I think he was probably enroute to California at the time. Would like to find out who his parents were. It is thought that he married, but the censuses thus far do not reveal that info. Thanks, David Charles Grafton Wilberton French (22 Aug 1822-14 Aug 1891) Chief justice of Arizona territory, 1876-1884, was one of the best liked and most important of the early jurists. His birthplace was Berkeley, Massachusetts, and after graduating from Brown University in 1842 he briefly taught school. He then studied law, was admitted to the bar and practiced law in New Bedford, Massachusetts. In January of 1851 French arrived in California and lived in Placer County until 1854 when he moved to Sacramento. There he practiced law for many years and also at one time served as a Republican in the state legislature. President Grant appointed French chief justice in late 1875, and it was the following January when he arrived in Tucson. Receiving a second four year appointment from President Hayes in 1880, the Chief Justice was in office until the spring of 1884, thus being at his post over eight years. During hissecond term he was assigned to Prescott and generally held trial court there, although when the need arose he substituted for other judges in the other districts. French was especially noted for remaining on duty and not taking lengthy trips outside of Arizona as some other jurists did. A man of great dignity, he had ability too and left a lasting imprint upon the legal history of Arizona. In his later years he lived in Prescott and then Sacramento, but died in San Francisco, California. Arizona Biographical Dictionary by John S. Goff. Goff's sources were John S. Goff, Arizona Territorial Officials, I, The Supreme Court Justices, 1975; Daily Journal-Miner, (Prescott), 17 Aug 1891. [sources written as he wrote it].

Hi All, Does anyone know anything more Charles Grafton Wilberton French? I found a short bio on ancestry noted at the end. He has an interesting story that has a North Carolina connection. A local writer is seeking more information about him and his ancestry and sent me the following email. "I wondered if you might have any data about Charles Grafton Wilberton French, born about 1820-1822, possibly in New York. He was quite a fellow--went west and became the first chief justice, I think, of the Arizona Supreme Court. Later he want to California, and helped start the state library, among other things. He lived at least until 1886,when --and here's the Beaufort connection--he returned to Beaufort (he had come here in his youth as a tutor) and married a childhood sweetheart named Nancy Manney. Nancy's father had kept them apart and with a complicit postmaster, hid their letters over the years. Nancy never married. Meantime, Charles married someone out west and had three children before that wife died. Somehow he found out about the letters and that Nancy was sick with "consumption". He hurried East and, married her and they had three weeks together before she died. She is buried here, next to her mother and father and near her Civil War hero brother. I would love to see or pursue anything you might have learned about family history that would include this French. It's a good story, but more facts about this gentleman would make it great. So would the letters! Many thanks for your attention." There is no known connection with my Frenches of North Carolina. Any assistance is greatly appreciated. Thanks, David FRENCH, CHARLES GRAFTON WILBERTON, lawyer, jurist, state legislator, was born Aug. 22, 1820, in Berkeley, Mass. He was for many years trustee of the state library of Sacramento, Cal.; was a representative in the state legislature in 1872; and in 1875 was appointed chief justice of the supreme court of Arizona, and was reappointed in 1880. Source: Encyclopedia of American Biography [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: The Generations Network, Inc., 1997. Original data: Herringshaw, Thomas William. Herringshaw's Encyclopedia of American Biography of the Nineteenth Century. Chicago, IL, USA: American Publishers Association, 1902.

Hey Charlie - Jump in - This exchange is for you. Hey Mara - Of course we need more evidence than guessing. And a guess it was. It's my way - - Guess, find a contradiction then guess again. But knowing the certainty of the convergence of the ancestor's of Charlie, Jim and I meeting within sixteen generations (http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm) and knowing that Charlie has been stuck on Samuel for years, I think exploring any connection to JACOB OF ASSINGTON, for Charlie, is worth a try. So -- Do we know the parents of: 1.3* JEREMIAH FRENCH, b. 1759 [1] in NJ [20] [22] or 1765 [2] or 1762 [3] ? Or, if we knew when JEREMIAH1.3's first wife died (after 3 Jun 1790 would fit nicely) or when he married his second wife, or anything about either; we might be able to show that JEREMIAH1.3 did indeed have another child with Hannah other than JEREMIAH2.6 -- Samuel? - Children of Jeremiah and Hannah (Gildersleeve) French, 1.3 2.6 JEREMIAH FRENCH, JR., b. 1792 in Owego, Tioga Co., NY, d. 16 Nov 1847 [2], only one year after his father died in 1846. He may have married a Charlotte VanGorder in Tioga Co., NY [1]. http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTS/Chart179.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mara French To: french@rootsweb.com Cc: Charlie French ; List French List Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 Hi Scott, I see that Samuel was b. 1793 in Boston, and I would not imagine that the Chart #179 family ever went to Massachusetts at all. Samuel would have had to be born from Jeremiah's second wife. Also, there are absolutely no Samuels in this line, so there has to be more evidence than guessing. In what city in Chemung Co. did Samuel die? In Horseheads? Maybe research Chemung Co. as well as the Gildersleeve family. Mara On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, SCOTT wrote: > Mara - > > The three of us here << http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm > >> have at least a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match. Charlie > French (Test #F13919) needs to find a father for Samuel French > (1793-1861). If 1.3* JEREMIAH FRENCH, b. 1759 [1] in NJ had > another son named Samuel following the birth of 2.5* WILLIAM FRENCH > [1], b. 3 Jun 1790 in Northumberland, who of us would be > surprised? It fits beautifully! And Charlie and all members of > Chart #179 would probably connect to JACOB OFASSINGTON - As do all > members of FFA Chart #1 - And, I think, Chart #2 as well. > > - Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mara French > To: List French List > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:58 PM > Subject: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 > > > The French Family Assn website has been updated > to add Chart #179. > http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/ > > Jeremiah French, 1759, of NJ, PA, and NY > Chart #179 begins in the 1750s in NJ, and then to the town of > Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. No data further back has been found to > date, but this line remained basically in Pennsylvania. From there, > the family moved to Northumberland Co., PA and to Owego and > Horseshead in Chemung Co., NY. But some members of the family > returned to Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. Other members of the family > moved to Port Alleganey, McKean Co., PA and to Roulette, Potter Co., > PA. Others moved to Olean, Cattaraugus Co., NY; Steuben Co., NY and > Shamokin, Bradford Co., PA. Other townships in NY: Erin, Wellsville, > Elmira,Troopsburg, East Aurora, and Buffalo. Other townships in PA: > Fishing Creek, Wellsboro, Little Marsh, Delniar, Port Alleganey, > Blossburg, and Clara. > The men in this line were mostly war soldiers, farmers (honey, > lumber), Justices of the Peace, town clerks, auditors, school > directors, school teachers, general store keepers, writers, > bookkeepers, and glassmakers. They were Methodists. > Surnames: You may notice that some of these names are also seen on > FFA Chart #1, #2, and #5, but these names are not seen until the 4th > Generation. > French, Churchill, Donshea, Hopper, Tryon, Martin, Hazen, VanGorder, > Gildersleeve, Willis, Willetts, Perrin, Secor/Sicaird, Titus, > Colley, > Waller, Field, McNair, Boucher, Monk, Shaff, Smith, Williams, > Palmer, > Brown, Calgrove or Colegrove or Colgrove, Niles, Andrews, West, > Willoughby, Morey, Donshea or Dunshie, Howlett, Doane, Hawley, Luce, > Deer, Roupe. > > Please advise me of corrections, deletions, additions, etc. Perhaps > this line will eventually tie in to one of the NJ lines. Thanks to > Marion Scherer and Milton L. French Jr., for all your help. > Mara French > French Family Association > marafrench@mindspring.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release Date: > 2/8/2007 9:04 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Different Hannah Gildersleeves... From: Tri-Counties Genealogy & History by Joyce M. Tice (Tri-County Communites: Bradford County PA, Chemung County NY, Tioga County PA. Horseheads NY 200 Years Ago) URL: http://www.rootsweb.com/~srgp/articles/horseheads200.htm "John and Hannah (Gildersleeve) Brees(e) and eight children left their Somerset Co., N.J. home in the spring of 1787. After a long, weary journey they settled on a spot about one and one-half miles below Newtown (Elmira). They stayed here for about two years, during which..." From: Chart #179, Jeremiah French, NJ, PA and NY URL: http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTS/Chart179.htm "Jeremiah m2. Hannah Gildersleeve, b. 1770 [1], d. 2 Oct 1843 at age 73 [2]" ----- Original Message ----- From: Mara French To: french@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2007 12:53 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 Scott, take a look at this page regarding "a" Hannah Gildersleeve: http://www.familyorigins.com/users/b/l/o/David-A-Blocher-WA/ FAMO2-0001/d86203.htm This Hannah went to Horseshead, Chemung Co., NY, and she was born in NJ, yet she married a "Breese", not a French. Mara On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, SCOTT wrote: > Mara - > > The three of us here << http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm > >> have at least a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match. Charlie > French (Test #F13919) needs to find a father for Samuel French > (1793-1861). If 1.3* JEREMIAH FRENCH, b. 1759 [1] in NJ had > another son named Samuel following the birth of 2.5* WILLIAM FRENCH > [1], b. 3 Jun 1790 in Northumberland, who of us would be > surprised? It fits beautifully! And Charlie and all members of > Chart #179 would probably connect to JACOB OFASSINGTON - As do all > members of FFA Chart #1 - And, I think, Chart #2 as well. > > - Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mara French > To: List French List > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:58 PM > Subject: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 > > > The French Family Assn website has been updated > to add Chart #179. > http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/ > > Jeremiah French, 1759, of NJ, PA, and NY > Chart #179 begins in the 1750s in NJ, and then to the town of > Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. No data further back has been found to > date, but this line remained basically in Pennsylvania. From there, > the family moved to Northumberland Co., PA and to Owego and > Horseshead in Chemung Co., NY. But some members of the family > returned to Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. Other members of the family > moved to Port Alleganey, McKean Co., PA and to Roulette, Potter Co., > PA. Others moved to Olean, Cattaraugus Co., NY; Steuben Co., NY and > Shamokin, Bradford Co., PA. Other townships in NY: Erin, Wellsville, > Elmira,Troopsburg, East Aurora, and Buffalo. Other townships in PA: > Fishing Creek, Wellsboro, Little Marsh, Delniar, Port Alleganey, > Blossburg, and Clara. > The men in this line were mostly war soldiers, farmers (honey, > lumber), Justices of the Peace, town clerks, auditors, school > directors, school teachers, general store keepers, writers, > bookkeepers, and glassmakers. They were Methodists. > Surnames: You may notice that some of these names are also seen on > FFA Chart #1, #2, and #5, but these names are not seen until the 4th > Generation. > French, Churchill, Donshea, Hopper, Tryon, Martin, Hazen, VanGorder, > Gildersleeve, Willis, Willetts, Perrin, Secor/Sicaird, Titus, > Colley, > Waller, Field, McNair, Boucher, Monk, Shaff, Smith, Williams, > Palmer, > Brown, Calgrove or Colegrove or Colgrove, Niles, Andrews, West, > Willoughby, Morey, Donshea or Dunshie, Howlett, Doane, Hawley, Luce, > Deer, Roupe. > > Please advise me of corrections, deletions, additions, etc. Perhaps > this line will eventually tie in to one of the NJ lines. Thanks to > Marion Scherer and Milton L. French Jr., for all your help. > Mara French > French Family Association > marafrench@mindspring.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release Date: > 2/8/2007 9:04 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.35/680 - Release Date: 2/10/2007 9:15 PM

Sorry to break the thread and change the subject. I am hoping to find someone who knows this French line. Benjamin French b.1764 Saratoga, NY. Possibly his father was Samuel. Benj. married a Mrs. Ramsdell/Ramsdale or Ramsdill, who had 3 sons. William, Silas and Jonathan. She supposedly came from Connecticut to Saratoga NY and there married Benjamin French. Then they had 3 sons, John b.1784, Benjamin Jr born 1787 and Richard born 1792. John lived out his life in Saratoga. Richard moved to Wayne Co. NY. Historical notes say that Benjamin Jr. also "went West". I am trying to see if Benj Jr. relates to my great-great grandfather, Benjamin French. who was born 1807 in NY. The 1830 census for Wayne Co. lists a Benjamin French family with a male 20 to 30 who could be our Ben. The girl who became his wife also lived in Sodus, Wayne Co., NY. They were married by 1834/35 and in Michigan by 1848. I lose track of them for 1840 census. The fact that Ben Jr's brother Richard was in Wayne co NY and also Ben Jr's future wife's family were there makes me hopeful that our Ben connects to this family. If anyone has a clue about this family and a possible connection, please let me know. We have been searching and searching for our Benjamin French's family with no success. Thanks, Margaret

Mara - The three of us here << http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm >> have at least a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match. Charlie French (Test #F13919) needs to find a father for Samuel French (1793-1861). If 1.3* JEREMIAH FRENCH, b. 1759 [1] in NJ had another son named Samuel following the birth of 2.5* WILLIAM FRENCH [1], b. 3 Jun 1790 in Northumberland, who of us would be surprised? It fits beautifully! And Charlie and all members of Chart #179 would probably connect to JACOB OFASSINGTON - As do all members of FFA Chart #1 - And, I think, Chart #2 as well. - Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Mara French To: List French List Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 The French Family Assn website has been updated to add Chart #179. http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/ Jeremiah French, 1759, of NJ, PA, and NY Chart #179 begins in the 1750s in NJ, and then to the town of Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. No data further back has been found to date, but this line remained basically in Pennsylvania. From there, the family moved to Northumberland Co., PA and to Owego and Horseshead in Chemung Co., NY. But some members of the family returned to Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. Other members of the family moved to Port Alleganey, McKean Co., PA and to Roulette, Potter Co., PA. Others moved to Olean, Cattaraugus Co., NY; Steuben Co., NY and Shamokin, Bradford Co., PA. Other townships in NY: Erin, Wellsville, Elmira,Troopsburg, East Aurora, and Buffalo. Other townships in PA: Fishing Creek, Wellsboro, Little Marsh, Delniar, Port Alleganey, Blossburg, and Clara. The men in this line were mostly war soldiers, farmers (honey, lumber), Justices of the Peace, town clerks, auditors, school directors, school teachers, general store keepers, writers, bookkeepers, and glassmakers. They were Methodists. Surnames: You may notice that some of these names are also seen on FFA Chart #1, #2, and #5, but these names are not seen until the 4th Generation. French, Churchill, Donshea, Hopper, Tryon, Martin, Hazen, VanGorder, Gildersleeve, Willis, Willetts, Perrin, Secor/Sicaird, Titus, Colley, Waller, Field, McNair, Boucher, Monk, Shaff, Smith, Williams, Palmer, Brown, Calgrove or Colegrove or Colgrove, Niles, Andrews, West, Willoughby, Morey, Donshea or Dunshie, Howlett, Doane, Hawley, Luce, Deer, Roupe. Please advise me of corrections, deletions, additions, etc. Perhaps this line will eventually tie in to one of the NJ lines. Thanks to Marion Scherer and Milton L. French Jr., for all your help. Mara French French Family Association marafrench@mindspring.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 9:04 PM

Scott, take a look at this page regarding "a" Hannah Gildersleeve: http://www.familyorigins.com/users/b/l/o/David-A-Blocher-WA/ FAMO2-0001/d86203.htm This Hannah went to Horseshead, Chemung Co., NY, and she was born in NJ, yet she married a "Breese", not a French. Mara On Feb 9, 2007, at 7:57 PM, SCOTT wrote: > Mara - > > The three of us here << http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm > >> have at least a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match. Charlie > French (Test #F13919) needs to find a father for Samuel French > (1793-1861). If 1.3* JEREMIAH FRENCH, b. 1759 [1] in NJ had > another son named Samuel following the birth of 2.5* WILLIAM FRENCH > [1], b. 3 Jun 1790 in Northumberland, who of us would be > surprised? It fits beautifully! And Charlie and all members of > Chart #179 would probably connect to JACOB OFASSINGTON - As do all > members of FFA Chart #1 - And, I think, Chart #2 as well. > > - Scott > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mara French > To: List French List > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:58 PM > Subject: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 > > > The French Family Assn website has been updated > to add Chart #179. > http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/ > > Jeremiah French, 1759, of NJ, PA, and NY > Chart #179 begins in the 1750s in NJ, and then to the town of > Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. No data further back has been found to > date, but this line remained basically in Pennsylvania. From there, > the family moved to Northumberland Co., PA and to Owego and > Horseshead in Chemung Co., NY. But some members of the family > returned to Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. Other members of the family > moved to Port Alleganey, McKean Co., PA and to Roulette, Potter Co., > PA. Others moved to Olean, Cattaraugus Co., NY; Steuben Co., NY and > Shamokin, Bradford Co., PA. Other townships in NY: Erin, Wellsville, > Elmira,Troopsburg, East Aurora, and Buffalo. Other townships in PA: > Fishing Creek, Wellsboro, Little Marsh, Delniar, Port Alleganey, > Blossburg, and Clara. > The men in this line were mostly war soldiers, farmers (honey, > lumber), Justices of the Peace, town clerks, auditors, school > directors, school teachers, general store keepers, writers, > bookkeepers, and glassmakers. They were Methodists. > Surnames: You may notice that some of these names are also seen on > FFA Chart #1, #2, and #5, but these names are not seen until the 4th > Generation. > French, Churchill, Donshea, Hopper, Tryon, Martin, Hazen, VanGorder, > Gildersleeve, Willis, Willetts, Perrin, Secor/Sicaird, Titus, > Colley, > Waller, Field, McNair, Boucher, Monk, Shaff, Smith, Williams, > Palmer, > Brown, Calgrove or Colegrove or Colgrove, Niles, Andrews, West, > Willoughby, Morey, Donshea or Dunshie, Howlett, Doane, Hawley, Luce, > Deer, Roupe. > > Please advise me of corrections, deletions, additions, etc. Perhaps > this line will eventually tie in to one of the NJ lines. Thanks to > Marion Scherer and Milton L. French Jr., for all your help. > Mara French > French Family Association > marafrench@mindspring.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.32/677 - Release Date: > 2/8/2007 9:04 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message