Hi Julia, thanks for your nice comments. I think the DNA group numbers are helpful, and there are fewer of them than FFA chart numbers. Perhaps you can add another column and link to the chart. Your comments on Phillip of NY are interesting. Are you in touch with Jim Gunderson who is working on John the Brick Mason? I wasn't able to research the many Frenches who immigrated from London, but I'll see whom I can tie together from DNA Gp 1. Thank, Mara On Apr 2, 2007, at 11:38 AM, JULIAFWOOD@aol.com wrote: > > Hi Mara, Thanks and I am so happy that you are getting your French > stuff > online. You have done so much wonderful research it is a treasure > to all of us. I > am thinking that instead of Group numbers I will list the FFA > number of each > testee if know. That would make the DNA testing interesting as > Group 1 contains > several different FFA chart numbers. We haven't figured out how > some of us > tie together. As for John French, the brick mason. When his > brother, Phillip, > came over to America, he was listed as a merchant from London. Born > in Wapping, > London, Middlesex, England in 1666. His father, Phillip, died in > Kelshall (Now > Kelsale), Suffolk, England in 1703 and named his son, Phillip & > John in New > York, America, and a son William. They could have Irish cousins, > but these > children were Christened in a Protestant church in London. > Julia > > In a message dated 4/2/2007 1:25:49 PM Central Daylight Time, > marafrench@mindspring.com writes: > > It seems that the genealogy researched for Group 1 goes back furthest > to two lines: John French, the Brick Mason, b. ca. 1647, and Hugh > French > b. ca. 1640. The only country mentioned from which this line could > have > emigrated is Ireland, so perhaps this line did come from Ireland > but is > not that specific Irish line from Group 7. The results are close, and > both > Group 1 and Group 7 have a Haplogroup number of R1b1c. I believe > (really not sure) that Margaret Amundsen told me that her line (Hugh > French) was Catholic and from Ireland, and St. Mary's Co, MD was a > Catholic county early on. The Protestants lived across the Potomac. > I see that the DNA test results for markers 26-37 are somewhat > different. Has anyone researched further back on one of the 14 > ancestral > families from Group 1? It could be that Ireland is where the research > should be done. Someday I'll dig out my notes from past trips to > Ireland. > Many of the French families from Ireland had royalty, being part of > the > first 14 Tribes of Galway that spread out, especially to Roscommon. > These families are documented more readily in the red Heraldry books. > Julia, you're doing a fantastic job. Mara > > > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I've started a page on French Military Heroes, and there are many past heroes that I'll add as time goes. You are welcome to contribute. http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/MILITARYHEROES/MilitaryHeroes.htm Thanks, Mara French http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/

It seems that the genealogy researched for Group 1 goes back furthest to two lines: John French, the Brick Mason, b. ca. 1647, and Hugh French b. ca. 1640. The only country mentioned from which this line could have emigrated is Ireland, so perhaps this line did come from Ireland but is not that specific Irish line from Group 7. The results are close, and both Group 1 and Group 7 have a Haplogroup number of R1b1c. I believe (really not sure) that Margaret Amundsen told me that her line (Hugh French) was Catholic and from Ireland, and St. Mary's Co, MD was a Catholic county early on. The Protestants lived across the Potomac. I see that the DNA test results for markers 26-37 are somewhat different. Has anyone researched further back on one of the 14 ancestral families from Group 1? It could be that Ireland is where the research should be done. Someday I'll dig out my notes from past trips to Ireland. Many of the French families from Ireland had royalty, being part of the first 14 Tribes of Galway that spread out, especially to Roscommon. These families are documented more readily in the red Heraldry books. Julia, you're doing a fantastic job. Mara On Mar 30, 2007, at 9:47 PM, JULIAFWOOD@aol.com wrote: > The line line of Hugh / Mason French of VA has completed 37 markers > and it > appears that they match Group ! and not the Irish Group 7. > > _http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/results.htm_ > (http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/results.htm) > > Julia French Wood > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Julia, this is good to hear. Several online websites "combine" (actually combine) the genealogies of Group 2 (from Saxmundham, Suffolk) with Group 6 (from Assington, Suffolk). I've seen about 15 children intermingled, and genealogy like this only spreads poor data. I'm glad to see that these two lines are officially not connected. In the French Family Association, these are referred to as Charts 11 and 1. Mara On Apr 1, 2007, at 8:50 PM, JULIAFWOOD@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, we have a new result in that changes the circumstances > of Group 2 > and Group 9, which is no more, because the two have been posted > together as > matches. Until the last result, the unusual mutations made it > impossible for me > to know whether or not they were related, but the last set of > markers tied > them all together. They are posted as Group 2. > > This is the line of Samuel French "the Joiner" of Suffolk & Dorset, > England > and CT. > > _http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/results.htm_ > (http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/results.htm) > > Other results have been updated, but none of the other matches have > changed. > > If any of you have DNA results in that I haven't posted, please, > let me know > so that I can be sure that I have your Ancestor Tree which is > needed for the > Project. > > We still need French males to test in many of the French lines that > aren't > represented in our French DNA Project. If you have been putting off > doing the > test or recruiting a male from your line, you are missing a lot of > fun and proof > that your research is correct or help in finding the source of your > French > line. Having your line listed in our Project, also, encourages > others to do the > test. > > Happy Easter. > > Julia French Wood > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http:// > www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello all, we have a new result in that changes the circumstances of Group 2 and Group 9, which is no more, because the two have been posted together as matches. Until the last result, the unusual mutations made it impossible for me to know whether or not they were related, but the last set of markers tied them all together. They are posted as Group 2. This is the line of Samuel French "the Joiner" of Suffolk & Dorset, England and CT. _http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/results.htm_ (http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/results.htm) Other results have been updated, but none of the other matches have changed. If any of you have DNA results in that I haven't posted, please, let me know so that I can be sure that I have your Ancestor Tree which is needed for the Project. We still need French males to test in many of the French lines that aren't represented in our French DNA Project. If you have been putting off doing the test or recruiting a male from your line, you are missing a lot of fun and proof that your research is correct or help in finding the source of your French line. Having your line listed in our Project, also, encourages others to do the test. Happy Easter. Julia French Wood ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

I would also dearly love to know who the Thomas French was that your Chart #11 presently says was the immigrant to Stratford, CT in 1660. I find nothing in out genealogy that makes that claim? Bill French 908 Town & Country Blvd Ste 230 Houston, TX 77024 713-365-9009 fax: 713-365-0005 wcfrench@hal-pc.org Bill French > AW French > AH French > Mansfield Joshua French > Rev Mansfield French > Joshua French > Samuel French > Samuel French > Samuel French The Joiner > Samuel French > Rev Jeremiah French > Thomas > Robert >Thomas > William > William of Lowestoft 1450 FFA#11 Family Tree DNA #108/F07339 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mara French" <marafrench@mindspring.com> To: "List French List" <FRENCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:05 PM Subject: [FRENCH] Famous Frenches >I made a small attempt at adding famous Frenches > to the FFA homepage. If you have more to add, > please let me know. Thanks, Mara French > click on http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, it is great. There are some distinct mutations from the NJ group in those last three in the group from MD/VA. If they believe that they came from Ireland, they could be the Irish cousins of John French of Woodbridge, NJ. We often get more questions than answers with DNA and with genealogy research, but if sure is fun. Julia In a message dated 3/31/2007 12:03:54 AM Central Daylight Time, jfrench1@earthlink.net writes: This opens up a whole new area of research for the East NJ FRENCH line and the origin of our John French, brick mason, who we first find in 1669 in Woodbridge Twp, Middlesex County, East New Jersey. Isn't DNA testing great !!!!!!!! j french ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

The line line of Hugh / Mason French of VA has completed 37 markers and it appears that they match Group ! and not the Irish Group 7. _http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/results.htm_ (http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/results.htm) Julia French Wood ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

This opens up a whole new area of research for the East NJ FRENCH line and the origin of our John French, brick mason, who we first find in 1669 in Woodbridge Twp, Middlesex County, East New Jersey. Isn't DNA testing great !!!!!!!! j french >Sent: Mar 30, 2007 11:47 PM >Subject: [FRENCH] The DNA of the Mason / Hugh French line is in > >The line line of Hugh / Mason French of VA has completed 37 markers and it >appears that they match Group ! and not the Irish Group 7. > >Julia French Wood >

I made a small attempt at adding famous Frenches to the FFA homepage. If you have more to add, please let me know. Thanks, Mara French click on http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/

Hello Group, Does anybody know anything about Samuel French, b. 1826. Lived in Southwest PA and in Marshall Co. WV. His wife was Mary Ann Goode. He was my wife's g-grandfather. I've been trying to find his parents for years, with no luck. Thanks for any help! Jim Donham duckmj@epix.net Bangor, PA

Here again is another English chart of Frenches from pre-Puritan migration (earlier than 1650). This chart is from Sible Hedingham in Essex only 3 miles from Halstead and close to all the other French homesteads. And again, these Frenches have no middle names, and their first names are all the same as the other groups: John, William, Elizabeth, Robert, Thomas, Samuel, Anne, and Marie. The Frenches stayed in Sible Hedingham throughout the 1700s and did not emigrate to America. This chart is used only to separate those from the ones who did emigrate. It's very difficult deciphering the Frenches of Essex England. Sometimes children were christened in their mother's hometown, not their fathers. Some villages didn't have a parish and the children were christened elsewhere. Other children were christened long after they were born, sometimes 2 or 3 siblings together, and not in the parish where they were born. Click on this link for Chart #ED, Robert and John French of Sible Hedingham: http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTSWEB/England/ChartED.htm I've been to Sible Hedingham and have photos of the area, but at the moment I can't find them. Comments and suggestions are always welcome. Mara French http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA

No, this Samuel went down south to Long Island NY. You may read about this Samuel by clicking on or opening this website: http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTS/Chart%20077/Chart077.htm On Mar 26, 2007, at 8:42 PM, Mildred wrote: > Could this be the same Samuel French who lived in Jerico, > Chittenden County, > Vt. in 1800? He would have to have been born about 1775 in MA. > > I am looking for Ezra French's father. Ezra was born in 1800 in > Vermont. > I find Ezra in 1850 with his wife Margaret Woodward and their > children, > including my ggrandfather and ggrandmother, Daniel and Jane French, in > Essex, Chittenden County. But I can't locate Ezra's father, nor do > I know > his name, and there are 47 Frenchs in Vermont in different counties > in 1800, > which is the year that Ezra was born in Vermont. There are 3 in > Chittenden > County, but none in Essex. (I suppose Essex is the Township?) > > Mildred in WI > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Vermont has towns and counties , no townships. There are many just over the border in Washington and Warren counties too. Becky -----Original Message----- From: french-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:french-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mildred Sent: Monday, March 26, 2007 10:43 PM To: french@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [FRENCH] Samuel French Chart #77 Could this be the same Samuel French who lived in Jerico, Chittenden County, Vt. in 1800? He would have to have been born about 1775 in MA. I am looking for Ezra French's father. Ezra was born in 1800 in Vermont. I find Ezra in 1850 with his wife Margaret Woodward and their children, including my ggrandfather and ggrandmother, Daniel and Jane French, in Essex, Chittenden County. But I can't locate Ezra's father, nor do I know his name, and there are 47 Frenchs in Vermont in different counties in 1800, which is the year that Ezra was born in Vermont. There are 3 in Chittenden County, but none in Essex. (I suppose Essex is the Township?) Mildred in WI ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could this be the same Samuel French who lived in Jerico, Chittenden County, Vt. in 1800? He would have to have been born about 1775 in MA. I am looking for Ezra French's father. Ezra was born in 1800 in Vermont. I find Ezra in 1850 with his wife Margaret Woodward and their children, including my ggrandfather and ggrandmother, Daniel and Jane French, in Essex, Chittenden County. But I can't locate Ezra's father, nor do I know his name, and there are 47 Frenchs in Vermont in different counties in 1800, which is the year that Ezra was born in Vermont. There are 3 in Chittenden County, but none in Essex. (I suppose Essex is the Township?) Mildred in WI

Hi French neighbors, I've completed a chart on Samuel French who lived close to another French family (Chart #179) and I was hoping to make a connection, but did not. http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/CHARTS/Chart%20077/Chart077.htm This line starts in Boston in 1793 and migrates to Long Island, NY and then to Chemung Co., NY. The French and Price families of FFA Chart #11, Samuel French “The Joiner” and Mary Price might be the ancestors of Chart #77. Both lines were from Chemung Co., NY. They each had a child named Jeremiah in both their lines and they both lived to Boston, MA [8]. Chart #77 may also tie in with Chart #1 or Chart #179. All are very close in name and place. Samuel French, b. 1793 in Boston, MA [5], listed as age 62 and born in Boston in the 1855 Census [5], m. Fanny (Frances) Scott. She was b. in 1800 in Ireland [5]. Samuel bought a farm in Chemung Co., NY in 1830. He sold a right-of-way to the Junction Canal in 1845 [9]. Samuel d. 1861 in Chemung Co., NY, and left his estate to his wife and children [1]. He is buried at the Forest Lawn Cemetery in Waverly, NY [12]. Suggestions or comments appreciated, Mara French http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA

Sure - That should read>> Conjecture EIGHT: Jeremiah b 1759, Chart 179, is probably the son or the grandson of Samuel b 1710, Jeremiah b 1712, John b 1720, Jonathan b 1722, Thomas b 1726 or Joseph b 1730. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mara French To: SCOTT Cc: jim french ; Charlie French Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 hmmmm, I'm not so sure about your conjecture EIGHT. There would have been almost 50 years between Jeremiah father and son. I tried to google more thru the female lines and found nothing. I think I'll put this chart online for others to see and maybe we'll get a response. I need to move on to other charts. Speaking of moving, this weekend we're moving into part of the newly renovated side of the house, so I'm going to be busy. That only brings me closer to unpacking some of the those genealogy boxes. Mara On Mar 22, 2007, at 10:24 PM, SCOTT wrote: Who is Charlie's gggfather? Who is Charlie? - See below. There are four or more Jeremiah Frenchs: (1) Jeremiah b 1712, Eng, d NY, his father is Samuel the Joiner Chart #11 (2) Jeremiah b 1759, Chart # 179, his father is unknown (see conjecture EIGHT) (3) Jeremiah b 1764, CT, his father is Thomas b 1726, CT, his father is Samuel the Joiner (4) Jeremiah b 1838, NY, his father is Samuel b 1793. Samuel is Charlie French's (Test #F13919) ggrandfather. Samuel the joiner had at least six male children: Samuel b 1710, Jeremiah b 1712, John b 1720, Jonathan b 1722, Thomas b 1726 and Joseph b 1730; any of whom could have produced male children that fathered Charlie's Samuel. I don't have Chart #11, so, Charlie, I Googled a few of the above names. What I found (unproven source) and it in no way suggests eliminating any other sibling from the search; is that Thomas b 1726 had at least four sons: David b ~1753, Peter Price b 1762, Jeremiah b 1764 and Isaac b 1770 - each, a possible father for Samuel b 1793. Again, each son is a possible father of your Samuel b 1793; but Peter Price is an exceptional candidate.... Peter died 1841, Wells, Bradford, PA - JUST A FEW MILES FROM WAVERLY, NY ---- IN YOUR BACK YARD. Peter may have had more kids, but one is, Hiram b 2mar1797, Hampton, Washington, NY. Mara, conjecture EIGHT: Jeremiah b 1759, Chart 179, is probably the son of Samuel b 1710, Jeremiah b 1712, John b 1720, Jonathan b 1722, Thomas b 1726 or Joseph b 1730. With just a little more work, we may be able to connect Charlie, Chart 179 and Chart 11 with Jacob of Assington. The DNA results from Jim and Charlie would corroborate the above connection if we can find and prove it. Umm... And don't forget WILLIAM OF BILLEICA Chart#2 as well. - Scott French ----- Original Message ----- From: SCOTT To: List French List ; french@rootsweb.com Cc: Charlie French Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 Mara - The three of us here << http://small-stuff.com/FRENCH/DNA/tree6.htm >> have at least a 24/25 y-chromosome allele marker match. Charlie French (Test #F13919) needs to find a father for Samuel French (1793-1861). If 1.3* JEREMIAH FRENCH, b. 1759 [1] in NJ had another son named Samuel following the birth of 2.5* WILLIAM FRENCH [1], b. 3 Jun 1790 in Northumberland, who of us would be surprised? It fits beautifully! And Charlie and all members of Chart #179 would probably connect to JACOB OFASSINGTON - As do all members of FFA Chart #1 - And, I think, Chart #2 as well. - Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: Mara French To: List French List Sent: Friday, February 09, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: [FRENCH] New Chart #179 The French Family Assn website has been updated to add Chart #179. http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/FFA/ Jeremiah French, 1759, of NJ, PA, and NY Chart #179 begins in the 1750s in NJ, and then to the town of Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. No data further back has been found to date, but this line remained basically in Pennsylvania. From there, the family moved to Northumberland Co., PA and to Owego and Horseshead in Chemung Co., NY. But some members of the family returned to Middlebury, Tioga Co., PA. Other members of the family moved to Port Alleganey, McKean Co., PA and to Roulette, Potter Co., PA. Others moved to Olean, Cattaraugus Co., NY; Steuben Co., NY and Shamokin, Bradford Co., PA. Other townships in NY: Erin, Wellsville, Elmira,Troopsburg, East Aurora, and Buffalo. Other townships in PA: Fishing Creek, Wellsboro, Little Marsh, Delniar, Port Alleganey, Blossburg, and Clara. The men in this line were mostly war soldiers, farmers (honey, lumber), Justices of the Peace, town clerks, auditors, school directors, school teachers, general store keepers, writers, bookkeepers, and glassmakers. They were Methodists. Surnames: You may notice that some of these names are also seen on FFA Chart #1, #2, and #5, but these names are not seen until the 4th Generation. French, Churchill, Donshea, Hopper, Tryon, Martin, Hazen, VanGorder, Gildersleeve, Willis, Willetts, Perrin, Secor/Sicaird, Titus, Colley, Waller, Field, McNair, Boucher, Monk, Shaff, Smith, Williams, Palmer, Brown, Calgrove or Colegrove or Colgrove, Niles, Andrews, West, Willoughby, Morey, Donshea or Dunshie, Howlett, Doane, Hawley, Luce, Deer, Roupe. Please advise me of corrections, deletions, additions, etc. Perhaps this line will eventually tie in to one of the NJ lines. Thanks to Marion Scherer and Milton L. French Jr., for all your help. Mara French French Family Association marafrench@mindspring.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to FRENCH-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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