Margaret, A few quick (I hope) more questions, then I'll send for the articles and get out of your hair. <G> Which ROUZEE did Margaret marry, was it Ralph ROUZEE half-brother of Col. John CATLETT Sr.? Are you certain that Margaret had 2 children by him and not 3? What were their names? And did Margaret marry a third time to John DANGERFIELD ca 1686? The book __ Ancestry of American Presidents __ says "Rappahannock County Order book 1, p. 184 (1686) Margaret Gaines, widow of Daniel Gaines, married to John Daingerfield." I forgot to tell you the name of the "associates" I'm tracking. They're the HAWKINS family in VA. Vickie Elam White

Thanks. This was the family I used for my certification and you have to track all for three generations. I found the Margaret Taliaferro/Sarah Taliaferro material just as I was getting ready to send the packet off to be judged. It took me two more years of research before I finally had it all. Now there are still a few loose ends before I can actually call it quits. But that is what is great about genealogy. You always have something more to investigate. M

In a message dated 10/18/00 4:29:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MRCACG@aol.com writes: > You can purchase copies of The Virginia Genealogist from John Frederick > Dorman the publisher/owner. His address is: The Virginia Genealogist Box > 5860 Falmouth, VA 22403-5860. This would be Vol. 38, Number 1 January-March > > 1994 p. 22-24. This is not a long article. The NGSQ can be ordered from > their web page. > The gist of the article about Margaret the Wife of Hugh French is grounded > in > the 1682 [signed]will of Daniel Gaines. Thank you so much! You're the best. I enjoyed your article in the Sept 1999 NGSQ, and it is nice to be able to tell you "in person." Vickie Elam White

Hi Michael and Harriet, I have a Silas French born October 10, 1795 in Salisbury, MA, according to Salisbury, MA vital statistics. Salisbury is located just south of the NH border. Silas' parents were Josiah French, Jr. and (Mrs.) Sarah Eaton. Linda Bell ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Hurdle <michael.hurdle@home.com> To: <FRENCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 9:37 AM Subject: [FRENCH-L] Silas FRENCH PA->Victory,Cayuga Co, NY (MA/NH) > Looking for information on the ancestry of Silas R. FRENCH, born 1820 in > Pennsylvania and died in 1907 in Victory, Cayuga Co, NY. According to > the 1880 census, his father was born in MA and mother born in NH. His > wife was named Julia Ann, maiden name unknown, and she was born in 1830 > in NY and died in 1905 in Victory, Cayuga Co, NY. > > > =========================== > Michael and Harriett Hurdle > E-mail: michael.hurdle@home.com > harriett.hurdle@home.com > Genealogy Home Page: > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mhurdle127/hurdle.htm > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $7.99/mo! ------

You can purchase copies of The Virginia Genealogist from John Frederick Dorman the publisher/owner. His address is: The Virginia Genealogist Box 5860 Falmouth, VA 22403-5860. This would be Vol. 38, Number 1 January-March 1994 p. 22-24. This is not a long article. The NGSQ can be ordered from their web page. The gist of the article about Margaret the Wife of Hugh French is grounded in the 1682 [signed]will of Daniel Gaines. Daniel named three children, Margaret who from the wording was recently married; Bernard and Mary. John Prosser wrote his will Aug 1673. In it he named his sons John, Samuel, roger and Anthony and sons-in-law [stepsons] Robert and Thomas Goffe. [Will of John Prosser, (Old) Rappahannock Co., Deed and Will Bk 1677-1682 pp 23-24.] John, Samuel and probably roger were John's sons by his first wife Martha [?} Goffe. Anthony Prosser was Margaret's son identified as such in the will of Simon Miller in 1679. Margaret was still married to Simon Miller in 1682 when Daniel Gaines wrote his will. Her son by Prosser was closet to ten years old. Daniel Gaines went to a great deal of trouble to dispose of his land in the event all of his children should die without heirs. If his daughter Margaret had a living child he would have devised his land to him instead of his step grandchild John Smith. We know Anthony Prosser was living then [1682] because he witnessed a deed in 1693. I am sorry to say I do not know who Margaret was. If I had to hazard a guess based on families that they interacted with and the given name Anthony for her first male child, I would say Seale but this is only a guess and not proveable. Descendants of Hugh have tried to link into Daniel Gaines because they think they can get back to Robert Beheathland of Jamestown because of the name Bernard appearing in the family. Daniel Gaines married the widow Rouzee who had two children. We do not know who she was either. Margaret

In a message dated 10/18/00 1:03:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MRCACG@aol.com writes: > The short answer to the question is yes. However she is not Margaret Gaines. > The source for this mistake is a footnote in AP&P. I thought it was wrong, just needed some confirmation. > I addressed this as a correction published in The Virginia Genealogist > in 1994. The articles listed below and at least two more deal with this > family. I am certain Margaret the wife of Hugh is not the daughter of > Daniel Gaines. She did marry John Prosser by whom she had one son > Anthony Prosser. She may have had children by Symon Miller and > she married Hugh French ca 1685 between March and May. Thank you. Do you know her marriage dates to John PROSSER, Hugh FRENCH, and John SOMERVILLE? Is her maiden name unknown? > What are the collateral lines you wish to persue? Maybe I can help. They aren't even collaterals as far as I know. Just associates in Richmond Co. and thereabouts. But I wanted my database to be as accurate as possible. I have the Sept. 1999 NGSQ but not the other journals. Can you give me the exact citations (pages mostly) so that I can request copies? And do you know how I can go about requesting copies? Thanks for your help. Vickie Elam White

The short answer to the question is yes. However she is not Margaret Gaines. The source for this mistake is a footnote in AP&P. I addressed this as a correction published in The Virginia Genealogist in 1994. The articles listed below and at least two more deal with this family. I am certain Margaret the wife of Hugh is not the daughter of Daniel Gaines. She did marry John Prosser by whom she had one son Anthony Prosser. She may have had children by Symon Miller and she married Hugh French ca 1685 between March and May. What are the collateral lines you wish to persue? Maybe I can help. Margaret Amundson National Genealogical Society Quarterly: The Taliaferro-French Connection: Using Deeds to Prove Marriages and Parentage. volume 83 September 1995. EVIDENCE: A Special Issue of the National Genealogical Society Quarterly, Rebutting Direct Evidence with Indirect Evidence: The Identity of Sarah (Taliaferro) Lewis of Virginia September 1999. The Virginia Genealogists: Volume 38 January -March 1994 Margaret Prosser Miller French Somerville and Elizabeth Catlett: A Correction. Volume 41 January-March 1997 Who Did Elizabeth Taliaferro, Daughter of Margaret French and Robert Taliaferro Marry? Northern Virginia Genealogy: Volume 3 January 1998 Who Was The Mother of Daniel French of Rose Hill?

Looking for information on the ancestry of Silas R. FRENCH, born 1820 in Pennsylvania and died in 1907 in Victory, Cayuga Co, NY. According to the 1880 census, his father was born in MA and mother born in NH. His wife was named Julia Ann, maiden name unknown, and she was born in 1830 in NY and died in 1905 in Victory, Cayuga Co, NY. =========================== Michael and Harriett Hurdle E-mail: michael.hurdle@home.com harriett.hurdle@home.com Genealogy Home Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mhurdle127/hurdle.htm

Richmond Co. VA records show the following: 5 Sep 1705 "Petition of Hugh French, son of Hugh. Margaret, the widow, married 2dly John Somervale. Hugh, the son, is over 16." If I remember correctly, isn't this the woman often listed as Margaret GAINES, widow of John PROSSER? I'd like to straighten out this FRENCH line because I'm attempting to study some of their associates and migration patterns. Vickie Elam White

ann your info on RR is correct and i believe it is still a Retirement Plan Bob

People (usually men) who worked for the railroads had a railroad pension, or used to, and weren't assigned social security numbers until the pensions ended, I think. Maybe someone else can correct or corroborate this. The RR stands for a former railroad employee, and the card was issued prior to 1951. Anne Bettinger --- Donna Carvelli <donnalea@direct.ca> wrote: > > I was just in checking on a family name and found > the SSDI was issuee RR > (before 1951) > > Does anybody know where that would be > > Donna > donnalea@direct.ca > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

Can anyone point me to where I might find transcriptions of or copies of original documents mentioned in the following. I am particulary interested to see the Inventory of the Thomas Notley Estate and that of Luke Gardiner. Any help would be appreciated. I'm trying to fully document my tree. I'm descended from James FRENCH. MISCELLANEOUS NOTES: James French was born 1650 in Galway, Ireland, transported to Md 1671 by Thomas Notley. Estate inventoried in 1733 Leonardstown, MD. He was transported at the age of 21 along with 52 other adventures who planned to settle permanently in Maryland (Patents 16:411). According to the inventory of Luke GARDINER taken in 1674, James FRENCH was one of his servants on S. Clement's Island (Inv 1:111). When he completed his term as a servant, James FRENCH married Elizabeth MEEKIN, the d/o William MEEKIN & Margaret BEARD. It was thorough this marriage that he bacame the possessor of 129 acres of "Wolver Hampton" which bordered on "Hopton Park". After William MEEKIN's death, his tract totaled 150 acres and he later received 100 acres of "Hopton Park" from John Baptist CARBERRY, another Irish Immigrant. James French and his descendants lived at "Wolver Hampton" until after the Revolution (Ref: Colonial Settlers of St Clement's Bay, Md by Sr Mary Louise Donnelly, 1996, pp 90-94).

Could it mean Railroad? I have heard that railroad employees had their own pensions and didn't pay social security. Tommie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna Carvelli" <donnalea@direct.ca> To: <FRENCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 5:28 PM Subject: [FRENCH-L] ssdi > > I was just in checking on a family name and found the SSDI was issuee RR > (before 1951) > > Does anybody know where that would be > > Donna > donnalea@direct.ca > >

Julia, et al---- Has anyone run across a Joseph P. French, b. 1812, South Carolina; d. 1879, Pike County, Alabama. Joseph P. m. Mary Brown, and this couple was one set of my g2grandparents. Ralph Banks (RafB@aol.com), Austin, TX

I was just in checking on a family name and found the SSDI was issuee RR (before 1951) Does anybody know where that would be Donna donnalea@direct.ca

unsubscribe ----- Original Message ----- From: Mindream <mindream@satx.rr.com> To: <FRENCH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Sarah (HOWE) FRENCH, MA>VT>OH search for parents & siblings > Please post it to the list as well if Anyone finds more on Barzilla or any > of > the other family members. > Thanks to Jolene, I have my info as well as another name to add to > my GGG-siblings, > Luike FRENCH. > Godbless > Lorri > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CRITTER581@aol.com> > To: <FRENCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Sarah (HOWE) FRENCH, MA>VT>OH search for parents & > siblings > > > > In a message dated 10/14/00 6:01:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > mindream@satx.rr.com writes: > > > > << > > > > > ix. BARZILLA FRENCH, b. August 11, 1807. > > >> > > I also have Barzilla French in my ancesters with different b dates. Does > any > > one know more about the Barzilla name ? Bill French > > >

Johnnie, I just have Mary T. French, born in 1824 in Limestone County, Alabama, mother and father born in South Carolina Julia

I recently came across a pension record for James KLINGLESMITH, alias James FRENCH, widow listed is Catherine FRENCH. I can't make out all of the record but I do know it is from KY. Can anyone tell me why an alias is listed? I have been seeing quite a few Klinglesmiths lately in my Nelson County, KY research of the FRENCH (James, Ignatius, Martin, James, Martin) and wonder what the relationship may be to my line.

In a message dated 10/15/00 8:41:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, mindream@satx.rr.com writes: << > Please post it to the list as well if Anyone finds more on Barzilla or any > of > the other family members. > Thanks to Jolene, I have my info as well as another name to add to > my GGG-siblings, > Luike FRENCH. > Godbless > Lorri > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <CRITTER581@aol.com> > To: <FRENCH-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 15, 2000 12:21 AM > Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Sarah (HOWE) FRENCH, MA>VT>OH search for parents & > siblings > > > > In a message dated 10/14/00 6:01:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > mindream@satx.rr.com writes: > > > > << > > > > > ix. BARZILLA FRENCH, b. August 11, 1807. > > >> > > I also have Barzilla French in my ancesters with different b dates. Does > any > > one know more about the Barzilla name ? Bill French below is my line if any one is interested. William French b 1940 Wagoner,Ok, William French b 1913 Muskogee,Ok d Wagoner,Ok 1977 Daniel Harvey French b 1870 d Burr Oak,Ks Barzilla Daniel French b 1826 Tristram Coffin French b 1793 Barzilla French 11 b1765 Barzillia French b 1735 Daniel French b 1708 Joseph French 111 b 1679 Joseph French 11 b 1654 Joseph French b abt 1632 Edward French b 1598 in Assington Suffolk England Thomas French 111 b abt 1562 in Withersfield Essex England Thomas French 11 b 1532 in Arkesden Essex England Thomas French b 1506 in Withersfield Essex England

What can you tell me NC to AL French family? My French family came from NC>KY>AL. They may have been in VA before that. I do not know of any Cherokee connection. I have Samuel> Benjamin> Jesse> Jeremiah>John Douglas>William Jesse(My Grandfather). Johnnie Julia Kidd wrote: > Does anyone have a collection of the North Carolina to Alabama > Cherokee French family? I have met two of them, and believe they are my > Frenches. > Julia Kirby Kidd