I just wanted to echo Barbara's post. The Quaker records are on microfilm as she says. Though the Hinshaw Quaker records are wonderful--they are only extracts. I have looked through some of the filmed Monmouth Co meeting records for an elusive family of mine and found so much more than was in Hinshaw. Though I live in NJ, my FRENCH line was from NH so I don't know much about the NJ lines. I often wonder when I see your discussions of "Allee" FRENCH if this was just a misreading of Alice. The lower case "i" could look like an "l" and it is easy to mistake a "c" for an "e". Just a thought. The following link does have further info on Hinshaw's work and how to access Monthly Meeting records on film and at the Friend's Library at Swarthmore. Just typing Hinshaw and Quaker in any search engine would give you a wealth of material to read through. Good luck._Genealogy.com: Heard About GenForum by Rhonda R. McClure_ (http://www.genealogy.com/heard080599.html?Welcome=1090175080) Kathy Karn

I have searched the five volumes of "Encyclopedia of Quaker Genealogy, 1750-1930 and find nothing on Lafford/Leffert and very little information on Joseph and Joseph Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:35 PM Subject: [FRENCH-L] Lafford/Leffert FRENCH, b. 1753 > All, > > Lafford/Leffert FRENCH, b. 1753 NJ, would have been 27 in 1780 and the oldest > child of his family. The other sons would be younger, but probably not > younger than 16 in 1780 (time of RW service). The youngest would be b. 1764 or > before. This means that the sons, William, Joseph and Simon, were born between > 1753-1764. There are two known sisters, Sarah and Mary, who give their births > as 1757 and 1758 in pension documents, although the birth record in NJ records > gives Sarah's birth as 1754. My guess is that the NJ record is less inclined > to be bias. Thus we narrow the window for the sons and one daughter to > 1754-1764. > > We know that Joseph FRENCH's property in NJ was up for sale in 1765, to wit; > <<NJ Archives, First Series, Vol XXIV (Newspaper extracts vol > V 1762-1765)., p 576--"To be let---The Mill and houses at the Landing > on Raritan River which formerly belonged to Joseph FRENCH. Inquire of Joseph > Reade in NY" --The New York Gazette and Weekly Post Boy, 11 Apr 1765.>> > > Assuming that this is Joseph who married Hannah HORN, this gives a window of > 1754 to 1765 for more children to be born in NJ to them. What I am suggesting > is that all the FRENCH children of this couple were born in NJ before they > left for SC. > > For documentation one could look at the records of the Quaker Meetings. > The Meeting for the Friends (Quakers) may well have been in Rarity Landing, > NJ. The other alternative would be Shrewsbury, NJ where Joseph's father, > Joseph, was located at one time. I do not know the specific titles of the Meetings. > > It could be that upon leaving his Raritan Landing property, Joseph and family > went to an interim location before departure for SC. > > Need the expertise of the FRENCH-L to resolve this puzzlement. > > Best regards, > Hugh > >

There do seem to be a couple of political & religious differences among our early American French's. The Joseph and Richard at Oldwick in Hunterdon christened their children at Zion Lutheran in the 1770's and 80's. My Sussex County Richard used the Lutheran church at Walpack in the 1790's and 1800-1809. Dick French ----- Original Message ----- From: "jlfrench1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Lafford/Leffert FRENCH, b. 1753 > I have searched the five volumes of "Encyclopedia of Quaker Genealogy, > 1750-1930 and find nothing on Lafford/Leffert and very little information on > Joseph and Joseph Jr. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 12:35 PM > Subject: [FRENCH-L] Lafford/Leffert FRENCH, b. 1753 > > > > All, > > > > Lafford/Leffert FRENCH, b. 1753 NJ, would have been 27 in 1780 and the > oldest > > child of his family. The other sons would be younger, but probably not > > younger than 16 in 1780 (time of RW service). The youngest would be b. > 1764 or > > before. This means that the sons, William, Joseph and Simon, were born > between > > 1753-1764. There are two known sisters, Sarah and Mary, who give their > births > > as 1757 and 1758 in pension documents, although the birth record in NJ > records > > gives Sarah's birth as 1754. My guess is that the NJ record is less > inclined > > to be bias. Thus we narrow the window for the sons and one daughter to > > 1754-1764. > > > > We know that Joseph FRENCH's property in NJ was up for sale in 1765, to > wit; > > <<NJ Archives, First Series, Vol XXIV (Newspaper extracts vol > > V 1762-1765)., p 576--"To be let---The Mill and houses at the Landing > > on Raritan River which formerly belonged to Joseph FRENCH. Inquire of > Joseph > > Reade in NY" --The New York Gazette and Weekly Post Boy, 11 Apr 1765.>> > > > > Assuming that this is Joseph who married Hannah HORN, this gives a window > of > > 1754 to 1765 for more children to be born in NJ to them. What I am > suggesting > > is that all the FRENCH children of this couple were born in NJ before they > > left for SC. > > > > For documentation one could look at the records of the Quaker Meetings. > > The Meeting for the Friends (Quakers) may well have been in Rarity > Landing, > > NJ. The other alternative would be Shrewsbury, NJ where Joseph's father, > > Joseph, was located at one time. I do not know the specific titles of the > Meetings. > > > > It could be that upon leaving his Raritan Landing property, Joseph and > family > > went to an interim location before departure for SC. > > > > Need the expertise of the FRENCH-L to resolve this puzzlement. > > > > Best regards, > > Hugh > > > > > >

Hugh- The LDS Library has the Monthly meetings on microfilm also--if you're near a local library have them rent them for you. I know the Shrews- bury ones are available as have been thru them in regards to my 'Gage' family & remember seeing 'French' names but at time did not pay attention. Actually, there is a lot of info--makes for some interesting reading. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Joseph FRENCH and wife, Allee. > Hugh, I need to take the time to do this, also. Most libraries have the > complete Henshaw books on Quaker records on CD. CDs are great because you can do > a search of all the contents. > Julia > > In a message dated 7/18/2004 8:00:19 AM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > Does anyone have information about or access to such Quaker records? > > >

Call these people, maybe they can mail you what you want: http://www.plainfieldquakers.org/

Not related to my family, pre-Quaker, East New Jersey. http://www.terraworld.net/mlwinton/printed.htm Printed Research References The following titles are basic tools for Quaker research, and information on the Society of Friends. There are many more of course. Hinshaw, William Wade. ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN QUAKER GENEALOGY. Vol. 1: NC, SC, TN, GA - Vol. 2: PA and NJ - Vol. 3: NY - Vols. 4 & 5: OH - Vol. 6: VA. - Index to Vols. 1-6 (by surname, and including first name), pub. 1999 Originally published Ann Arbor, 1938. Reprint by Genealogical Publishing Co., 1969, 1978, 1991. These volumes are the backbone of the extensive records kept by the Monthly Meetings of the Society of Friends in the U.S. They include births, marriages, deaths, disownments, and receiving on a certificate from another meeting or obtaining a certificate of removal to another meeting. They are invaluable to the Quaker researcher. However, they are not wholly comprehensive as to meetings covered. The following titles fill in some of the gaps. Heiss, Willard, ed. ENCYCLOPEDIA OF AMERICAN QUAKER GENEALOGY, Vol. 7: ABSTRACTS OF RECORDS OF THE SOCIETY OF FRIENDS IN INDIANA, Parts 1-6. Indiana Historical Society, 1975. BUCKS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA, CHURCH RECORDS OF THE 18th CENTURY. Vol. 2, by Anna Miller Watring, QUAKER RECORDS - FALLS AND MIDDLETOWN MONTHLY MEETINGS. Family Line Publications, 1993. Also vol. 3, by Watring, QUAKER RECORDS - WRIGHTSTOWN, RICHLAND, BUCKINGHAM, MAKEFIELD AND SOLEBURY MONTHLY MEETINGS, 1994. EARLY CHURCH RECORDS OF CHESTER COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA, in 3 vols. as follows: Vol. 1: Reamy, Martha. QUAKER RECORDS OF BRADFORD MONTHLY MEETING, 1995. Vol. 2: Meldrum, Charlotte and Martha Reamy. QUAKER RECORDS OF UWCHLAND, GOSHEN, & NEW GARDEN MONTHLY MEETINGS, AND EAST VINCENT REFORMED, 1997. Vol. 3: Meldrum, Charlotte. QUAKER RECORDS OF KENNETT, & LONDON GROVE MONTHLY MEETINGS, & EXTRACTS FROM ST JOHN'S EPISCOPAL CHURCH AND GREAT VALLEY BAPTIST CHURCH. Family Line Publications, 1998. Beard, Alice L. BIRTHS, DEATHS AND MARRIAGES OF THE NOTTINGHAM QUAKERS, 1680-1889, Family Line Publications, 1989. Meldrum, Charlotte. EARLY CHURCH RECORDS OF BURLINGTON COUNTY, NEW JERSEY, 3 vols. Family Line Publications, 1995. Includes most of the early Friends' meetings in the colony of West Jersey. White, Jr., Miles. EARLY QUAKER RECORDS IN VIRGINIA. Genealogical Publishing Co., 1979. HOPEWELL FRIENDS HISTORY, 1734-1934. Joint Committee of Hopewell Friends. 1936, reprint 1993 by Family Line Publications. 200 years of history and records of Hopewell Monthly Meeting, including births, marriages, deaths, disownments and removals, many of which can be found nowhere else. Many of the earliest records have been lost, but this Meeting is important because of the great number of families who removed here from Pennsylvania, beginning in the 1730's and 40's. Eckert, Jack D., comp. A GUIDE TO THE RECORDS OF PHILADELPHIA YEARLY MEETING. Family Line Publications, 1989. Virtually a complete listing of Quaker records available for PA and NJ, held at the two Quaker repositories, Swarthmore and Haverford. Note: Not all of the early Quaker registers and minutes were filmed by the LDS (Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints). There are other publications covering other meetings not contained in "Hinshaw." Consult the online library links to Quaker college libraries given on our "References for Research and Information" page, and on The Quaker Corner website. The following titles are also useful for research and general information: Berry, Ellen Thomas and David Allen Berry. OUR QUAKER ANCESTORS: FINDING THEM IN QUAKER RECORDS. Genealogical Publishing Co., 1987. Sheppard, Jr., Walter Lee. PASSENGERS AND SHIPS PRIOR TO 1684. Also McCrackin, George E. THE WELCOME CLAIMANTS, PROVED, DISPROVED AND DOUBTFUL. Both are Publications of The Welcome Society of Pennsylvania, No. 1. Genealogical Publishing Co., 1970. Myers, Albert Cook. IMMIGRATION OF THE IRISH QUAKERS INTO PENNSYLVANIA, 1682-1750. Family Line Publications, 1994. Roberts, Clarence V. EARLY FRIENDS FAMILIES OF UPPER BUCKS. Family Line Publications, 1995 (reprint of 1925 ed.). Pertains to the first settlers of the upper part of Bucks County, Pennsylvania, one of the first areas settled by Penn's Quakers. Hinshaw, Seth B. THE CAROLINA QUAKER EXPERIENCE, 1665-1985. NC Yearly Meeting and NC Friends Historical Society, 1984. Of interest to all whose Quaker ancestors joined the great migration of Friends who moved south from Pennsylvania and New Jersey, through Virginia, to North Carolina. There was also an area in the upper eastern corner of North Carolina, the Albemarle Sound area which was settled very early (1670's-80's). Jones, Rufus M. QUAKERS IN THE AMERICAN COLONIES. Macmillan, 1911. Elliott, Errol T. QUAKERS ON THE AMERICAN FRONTIER. Friends United Press, 1969. Fischer, David Hackett. ALBION'S SEED, FOUR BRITISH FOLKWAYS IN AMERICA. Oxford University Press, 1989. One of the British "folkways" is the Friends migration from England, into Delaware and the middle colonies. All aspects of life and customs are examined. Most interesting and easy to read.

Hugh, I need to take the time to do this, also. Most libraries have the complete Henshaw books on Quaker records on CD. CDs are great because you can do a search of all the contents. Julia In a message dated 7/18/2004 8:00:19 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone have information about or access to such Quaker records?

All, Joseph FRENCH (1698 NJ-1752 NJ) m. Allee ______ 12 Sep 1722 Shrewsbury, NJ. It is assumed that Allee (sp.) is a first name, however there was a family with surname ALLEE in NJ contemporaneously with the FRENCH family. I am starting with the assumption that Allee is a first name. If so, it was a female name (possibly a derivative) which was common in the times. It probably came from a local family, most likely Quaker in belief as the FRENCHs at that time were Quakers. This being the case, local Quaker records (1720-1730) of Shrewsbury, NJ would be a logical place to start. Does anyone have information about or access to such Quaker records? Best regards, Hugh

<< [email protected] writes: Hugh, I wonder if a search of the early records in Raritan,NJ would reveal the name Lafford. Perhaps it is the name of a friend, or a minister. >> ___________ Doris, The name Lafford/Leffert is relatively sparse, but not as rare as one would think in the time frame we are taking about. Your idea is worth a try. Best regards, Hugh

I did run across one tree at http://www.gencircles.com/users/nannyelc/1/data/7343 which has her name as Alice Allee, but I don't know where they got that from. You might want to check with to owner of that tree to see if it could be verified. If you do, be sure to tell us what you find. Dave Dardinger ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 5:59 AM Subject: [FRENCH-L] Joseph FRENCH and wife, Allee. > All, > Joseph FRENCH (1698 NJ-1752 NJ) m. Allee ______ 12 Sep 1722 Shrewsbury, NJ. > It is assumed that Allee (sp.) is a first name, however there was a family > with surname ALLEE in NJ contemporaneously with the FRENCH family. > > I am starting with the assumption that Allee is a first name. If so, it was > a female name (possibly a derivative) which was common in the times. It > probably came from a local family, most likely Quaker in belief as the FRENCHs at > that time were Quakers. This being the case, local Quaker records (1720-1730) > of Shrewsbury, NJ would be a logical place to start. > > Does anyone have information about or access to such Quaker records? > > Best regards, > Hugh > > > >

Grandfather was Ira Omar French, B.April 03,1888 Zennas, Jennings Co. IN. Siblings were, Nettie, b. 1874 Jennings Co, IN Joesph, b. 1876 Jennings Co. Monroe (twin) b. 1878 Jennings Co. Rosa (twin), b. 1878 Jennings Co. * * * * * * * * * * * A couple of these last four went to WA. Walter, b. 1883 Oscar, b. 1885 My Grandfather, Ira Edward C. b. January 12, 1891 Zenas, Jennings Co. Their parents were Wm. Henry French b. Nov. 12, 1855 Flat Rock, Ripley Co. In. d. Mar. 21, 1908, Zennas, Jennings Co. IN. m. 1878 Jennings Co. IN. to Mary Pickett b. June 1850, Ripley Co. IN. d. Nov. 13,1933, Indianapolis, IN. A couple of the boys ( not including Ira) took their families and went west to Washington. I know some of them were in Yakama, Tacoma and northern CA,. My parents visited them after their retirement in the late 70s. Some of the family also came to Arizona to visit them about 1975. Anything sound familiar?

In a message dated 7/17/2004 1:47:10 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Gideon Richard Richard French son of Samuel French Jr. and Molly Mary Wayne. > Correction, the Samuel French who married Mary Wayne was from PA. We haven't found the name of the wife of Samuel, Sr. or Samuel, Jr., Gideon's dad, except that Samuel, Jr.'s wife's first name was Molly, as listed on a deed in GA. Julia

I want to see if anyone knows anything more on Gideon W. French b., 27 March 1837 m., Rebecca Jane Butts 28 October 1858 dau of Nathaniel Butts & Rebecca Cook. Their son George E. French b., Jamuary 1862 Danville TN is my great grandfather. He married Emma Etta Hall dau of John W. & Jane Hall on February 2 1884 in Houston County Tn. 1870 Houston Co TN Dist 12 pg 4 Gideon French 33 TN Rebecca 26 MO Elizabeth 9 TN Geo E 8 TN Mary 6 TN William 5 TN Thomas 2 TN Elnora 1/12 TN 1880 Houston Co TN Dist 3 Roll T9_1263 FHF 1255263 pg 14B ED 92 Image 503 G.W. French 42 Farmer L.T 41 George E. 18 works on farm William 14 works on farm Thomas 12 works on farm Emaline 8 Joseph 7 J.C. 6 A.E. 10/12 George and Etta made their way to Mo and lived in Richland TWP Scott County Mo by the 1910 census. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you JO Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: "jlfrench1" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] James Parley French Descendants Samuel Clark French born 6 Sep 1807, Stewart County, TN, died 30 Oct 1895 Houston County, Tennessee, married Mary Ann Jackson 10 Dec 1824 (born 15 Jul 1810 died 9 Nov 1871 Houston County, TN) Samuel Clark French son of Gideon Richard French and Rebecca Angeline Anderson. Gideon Richard Richard French son of Samuel French Jr. and Molly Mary Wayne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] James Parley French Descendants > Garland, > I would love to exchange info woth you. I am not a genealogy experts like everyone on the board....darnit.....but if my research serves me right, > I descend off of James Parley's brother Samuel Clark FRENCH b., September 6 1807 Stewart County TN d., October 30 1895 Houston County TN, > > His son Gideon W. French was born March 27 1837 in Stewart County TN married October 28 1858 dau of Nathaniel Butts and Rebecca Cook. Rebecca was b., 1839 in Missouri > > If I'm not on the wrong page, my research is their son George E. French b., January 1862 Danville TN married February 2 1884 Houston County TN Emma Etta Hall dau of John W.Hall and Rebecca. She was born April 1868 in TN > > If any of this corresponds with your info please let me know. I am confused about the events in Gideon Richard French life. Thanks in advance Jo Baker > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:01 PM > Subject: [FRENCH-L] James Parley French Descendants > > > Anyone here descended from James Parley, born 1825 ? (Son of Gideon Richard, > Samuel Jr., Samuel of NC.) > I would appreciate any information about children Pinkney A, Cynthia Ann, > John Scott, Lenora (Lee /Olie). Would also appreciate any personal and family > information beyond census and such about James Parley, wife and or children. I am > also very interested in knowing if anyone is descendant and living in middle, > west Tennessee now. > > Garland French > > > >

Out of curiosity, where did your French's originate in Indiana and where did they end up in Washington. My father's family came to central Washington in the mid 20's from Indiannapolis area. They had originally been in Shelby county for over 30 years before scattering to Tipton, Howard, Marion and other Indiana counties. Janet French Crisp ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Charles French, a judge > Would you please send me a complete article. > My Grandfather had two brothers that move to Washington in the 20's from > Indiana and these men are probably relatives of my family. > Thank you, > Beverly French-Harms > >

Samuel Clark French born 6 Sep 1807, Stewart County, TN, died 30 Oct 1895 Houston County, Tennessee, married Mary Ann Jackson 10 Dec 1824 (born 15 Jul 1810 died 9 Nov 1871 Houston County, TN) Samuel Clark French son of Gideon Richard French and Rebecca Angeline Anderson. Gideon Richard Richard French son of Samuel French Jr. and Molly Mary Wayne. ----- Original Message ----- From: "jo" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 5:06 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] James Parley French Descendants > Garland, > I would love to exchange info woth you. I am not a genealogy experts like everyone on the board....darnit.....but if my research serves me right, > I descend off of James Parley's brother Samuel Clark FRENCH b., September 6 1807 Stewart County TN d., October 30 1895 Houston County TN, > > His son Gideon W. French was born March 27 1837 in Stewart County TN married October 28 1858 dau of Nathaniel Butts and Rebecca Cook. Rebecca was b., 1839 in Missouri > > If I'm not on the wrong page, my research is their son George E. French b., January 1862 Danville TN married February 2 1884 Houston County TN Emma Etta Hall dau of John W.Hall and Rebecca. She was born April 1868 in TN > > If any of this corresponds with your info please let me know. I am confused about the events in Gideon Richard French life. Thanks in advance Jo Baker > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:01 PM > Subject: [FRENCH-L] James Parley French Descendants > > > Anyone here descended from James Parley, born 1825 ? (Son of Gideon Richard, > Samuel Jr., Samuel of NC.) > I would appreciate any information about children Pinkney A, Cynthia Ann, > John Scott, Lenora (Lee /Olie). Would also appreciate any personal and family > information beyond census and such about James Parley, wife and or children. I am > also very interested in knowing if anyone is descendant and living in middle, > west Tennessee now. > > Garland French > > > >

In a message dated 7/16/04 11:47:11 PM, [email protected] writes: << The practice of writing double dates resulted from this switch from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar, and also from the fact that not all countries and people accepted the new calendar at the same time. For example, England and the American colonies didn't officially accept the new calendar until 1752. Before 1752, the English government still observed March 25 as the first of the year, but most of the population observed January 1 as the first of the year. For this reason, many people wrote dates falling between January 1 and March 25 with both years >> _______ Good point. Thanks for the refresher, I had neglected this aspect of history. Best, Hugh

Garland, I would love to exchange info woth you. I am not a genealogy experts like everyone on the board....darnit.....but if my research serves me right, I descend off of James Parley's brother Samuel Clark FRENCH b., September 6 1807 Stewart County TN d., October 30 1895 Houston County TN, His son Gideon W. French was born March 27 1837 in Stewart County TN married October 28 1858 dau of Nathaniel Butts and Rebecca Cook. Rebecca was b., 1839 in Missouri If I'm not on the wrong page, my research is their son George E. French b., January 1862 Danville TN married February 2 1884 Houston County TN Emma Etta Hall dau of John W.Hall and Rebecca. She was born April 1868 in TN If any of this corresponds with your info please let me know. I am confused about the events in Gideon Richard French life. Thanks in advance Jo Baker ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: [FRENCH-L] James Parley French Descendants Anyone here descended from James Parley, born 1825 ? (Son of Gideon Richard, Samuel Jr., Samuel of NC.) I would appreciate any information about children Pinkney A, Cynthia Ann, John Scott, Lenora (Lee /Olie). Would also appreciate any personal and family information beyond census and such about James Parley, wife and or children. I am also very interested in knowing if anyone is descendant and living in middle, west Tennessee now. Garland French

My software insists their marriage be shown as 3 Jan 1748/1749, reflecting the change from Julian to Gregorian calendars. However, if it was recorded as 3 Jan 1749 based on the Julian calendar, then it would convert to 1750 when the Gregorian calendar was adopted. Just another 'fun thing' to consider when looking at events in this timeframe. [HH-Archives of the State of New Jersey, First Series, Vol XXII, Marriage Records (1665-1800), by William Nelson, Paterson, NJ, 1905, p.143 (NGS Lib). lists marriage of Joseph FRENCH and Hannah HORN, 3 Jan 1749.] The practice of writing double dates resulted from this switch from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar, and also from the fact that not all countries and people accepted the new calendar at the same time. For example, England and the American colonies didn't officially accept the new calendar until 1752. Before 1752, the English government still observed March 25 as the first of the year, but most of the population observed January 1 as the first of the year. For this reason, many people wrote dates falling between January 1 and March 25 with both years

In a message dated 7/16/04 7:28:42 PM, [email protected] writes: << Were the parents of Lafford/Leffert, born in 1753, in New Jersey, identified in the record? What was the source of the record?>> <<Joseph and Hannah married January 03, 1748/49, per New Jersey Marriage records.>> [HH-Archives of the State of New Jersey, First Series, Vol XXII, Marriage Records (1665-1800), by William Nelson, Paterson, NJ, 1905, p.143 (NGS Lib). lists marriage of Joseph FRENCH and Hannah HORN, 3 Jan 1749.] How do we know that Lafford/Leffert FRENCH is the first son of Joseph FRENCH and Hannah HORN? [HH-He is the only son I found listed in NJ records, so the first born is an assumption. The parents were listed in the source. Between 1749 and 1753 (4 years) other children could have been born, but none were mentioned in sources used. Leffert may be the first surviving child. I'll have to do a bit of searching to find the NJ record for Leffert, 1753, and Sarah, 1754.] <<1st child could have been born as early as 1748/49 and since, on average, there was about 2 years between children, a 2nd child may have been born 1750 and a 3rd child 1752.>> [HH- Assuming no children out of wedlock, the first child would be born 1749/50 and a second 1751/52, and the third in 1753 (Leffert)] Statistically speaking, Lafford/Leffert could have been the 3rd or 4th child born to Joseph and Hannah if he was born in 1753. If the earlier children died young, it is possible that later children were given the same names. [HH-This is always a possibility. I does seem odd that Leffert would be named before the names Simon or Joseph were used, being the first names of the male grandparents.] Hope this helps. Best regards, Hugh

I would like to contact anyone associated with Mara French's Frenchline Chart # 42. Please contact me at [email protected]