The IGI information may be in error. Based on information found in a document of East Jersey Deed records, dated 12 Dec, 1687, John French, mason, and wife, Susanna, are from Staten Island. There are 3 separate entries for this date and it appears he was setting up his affairs in Staten Island, where he was selling his property, in preparation for a move to East Jersey. He sold a Staten Island property to Peter Dassigney of Woodbridge, surgeon, and also gave him power of attorney for the management of his affairs on Staten Island. -----Original Message----- From: J. Michael Frost [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [FRENCH-L] John FRENCH, died in 1713 at Woodbridge, Middlesex County, NJ According to the IGI, the John FRENCH who was in Woodbridge, Middlesex County, NJ as early as 1670, and who died there in 1713, was the same person as the John FRENCH who was the son of Thomas and Sara FRENCH, and who was born in 1651 in Nether Heyford, Northamptonshire, England. Is the IGI correct? If so, what is the proof of this relationship?

Hi Mike I came up against the same inconsistency with IGI. I do not believe that John of Woodbridge is from the Quaker group of French's. As I'm sure you remember my Richard used the Walpack, Sussex NJ Dutch church. I think it is his father, Richard at Oldwick in 1782 & 3 christening Ann and William at Zion Lutheran. I think but cannot prove that Selletje is his second wife, Ye widow Selletje remarried in 1797. I think first wife was Mercy North. I also think this is the same young ,Richard who turned himself in with John?Pipes Zerubabel North et al to the Essex Sheriff for counterfeiting in 1748. I think he is Richard B. French son of Richard, son of John. Again cant prove any of that. Just tendered as a possibility for you to ponder. Regards Dick French

Am particularly interested in the son, William, mentioned in the recent post about John French of Rutherford Co. This William is about the right age to have been the William who came to Arkansas in the early 1800's. He and Nancy Chapman French were early settlers in the northeastern area of Arkansas before it was even a Territory or State, their oldest child was born in KY in 1804. He and Nancy were GGG Grandparents. Have tried to connect William to the Christian Co., KY and Spartanburg Co., SC lines, but no proof to date. Also have tried to find Nancy's family line, as her birthplace is given as SC in census data. Regards, Grace

THE SURNAME "FRENCH" DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE INDEX TO THIS COMPENDIUM. P. 86 HAS RECORD OF ASPACIO EARL; P. 2 A RECORD OF BAYLIS EARLE; P. 102 A RECORD OF ROBERT STEEL. THE LATTER MAN, ROBERT STEEL(E) WAS THE BROTHER OF MY THOMAS STEELE WHO M. LYDIA GRAVES IN GRANVILLE CO., NC & SUBSEQUENTLY REMOVED TO GILES CO., TN. ROBERT MARRIED HER SISTER AND REMAINED IN N.C. ROBERT STEELE WAS NAMED IN THE WILL, 1840 RUTHERFORD CO, NC OF HUMPREY PARISH AND ROBERT'S CHILDREN AS WELL: THOMAS STEEL, ANN P. STEEL, MARTHA JANE STEEL - EACH IN COMING OF AGE $250. THOMAS STEELE'S GRAVESTONE IN GILES CO., TN DECLARED THAT HE WAS BORN IN CUMBERLAND COUNTY, ENGLAND, SO PRESUMABLY HIS BROTHER ROBERT AS WELL. KAY G. [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])

According to the IGI, the John FRENCH who was in Woodbridge, Middlesex County, NJ as early as 1670, and who died there in 1713, was the same person as the John FRENCH who was the son of Thomas and Sara FRENCH, and who was born in 1651 in Nether Heyford, Northamptonshire, England. Is the IGI correct? If so, what is the proof of this relationship?

I remembered that there was a James French with Samuel, Sr. in the tax list of Anson Co., NC about 1765 who didn't appear in Rutherford Co., NC when Samuel moved there. And an entry in the court minutes that I found and posted to the list back in 1998. It is below. Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 01:08:35 EDT From: <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Subject: [FRENCH-L] James-Rutherford Co. NC Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I found this today from a DAR abstract of the: Pleas and Quarter Sessions of Rutherford Co. NC July 1787 Ordered by the court that the Sheriff take into possession, the children of James and Mary FRENCH (to wit) William, Joseph, Caty, Susannah and Annah FRENCH, that the court may have them bound out. My first question is, does anyone know exactly what this means? Are the parents dead, and have the children become wards of the court? Second question, does anyone know who this James and Mary are? Do you recognize the names of the children? My Samuel FRENCH who was in Anson Co. NC with a James FRENCH, moved to Rutherford Co. NC by 1786. I believe that James could be his brother, and could be the one mentioned here. Julia French Wood ______________________________ ------------------------------

In a message dated 7/25/2004 8:16:00 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > Dr. Pruitt's "Abstracts of Land Entries: Rutherford Co., NC 1779-1795": FRENCH: JOHN, JOHN SR., MOSES < I am not sure that we are able to identify these by land entries alone. It looks as though Moses is a son of Samuel, as he is in TN later along with Samuel and sons. Samuel, also, had a son John who died in Montgomery Co., TN in about 1796. I do not know if John had a John, Jr. but he had a son named, Joseph. Julia

Dr. Pruitt's "Abstracts of Land Entries: Rutherford Co., NC 1779-1795": FRENCH: JOHN, JOHN SR., MOSES. ALSO In 1780 Jonas Bedford entered land in Rutherford both sides of the road from Winters' TO WILLIAM THOMISON'S; includes maple swamp ........ ALSO A name mentioned here the other day appears: 1786 BAILES (OR BAYLES) EARL, Thomas Wadsworth, SAMOL (sic) EARLE, William Turpin, Felix Walker, & David Miller jointly enter 640 ac on Cool [or Coll] Cr "alias" Camp Cr. and waters thereof and on waters of & S SIDE OF PACOLET R. ...........border: BAYLIS EARLE and runs at or near the South line......etc. ALSO 1787 John Vean enters 100 a. in Rutherford, head of a branch of middle fork of Greens Cr; between JOHN FRENCH and Jos. Walker; includes wagon road...etc. 1788 John Fisher and WILLIAM THOMSON enter 50 a in Rutherford...between the land formerly Gleghorn's and George Potter's, McKnight's land, & above Jenkins' land.....etc. 1788 James English, Jerry Early & Co. enter 640 ac in Rutherford...both sides SECOND BROAD R; border: Hogpen Cr at Sullen's line.....to Amour Webb sr, to Kerkland...runs down the river to MULLENS, down the river to Richd Sercy's, across the river and up...along Camp's line to uppermost corner of the river, then to Childers' line, to Nathan Boyer's line, William Boyer, and to Sullen......etc. NOTE: There's also a JOHN THOMASON on SECOND BROAD RIVER adj. Andrew Miller. 1794 Joel Blackwell enters 200 a. in Rutherford Co...waters Greenc Cr. of White Oak Cr...border...on SE of my own land where I live and NEAR MOSES FRENCH; granted to himself. 1795 Michael Osborne "from Osborin (sic) to Andey Miller" & David Miller enter 100 a. in Rutherford Co. on N side of Floyds Cr; border: WILLIAM THOMASON'S OLD LINE, Michael Osborne, & OLD MR. THOMASON'S OLD MILL PLACE; granted to D M. (sic) NOTE: THIS IS CHERRY PICKING AND NOT MEANT TO BE ALL INCLUSIVE LISTINGS. There are many DENTONs, Hugh.

This is what they said: Name: French, John Sr. Date of Death: Jul 10, 1756 Occupation: Planter Children: John Place of Birth: North Carolina Place of Marriage: Bertie co., NC Place of Death: Bertie co., NC Name: French, John Jr. Date of Birth: Bef 1731 Date of Death: After 1756 Mother: Mary Date of Marriage: Bef 1752 Spouse: Mary Father: John French, Sr. Children: John, Mary Place of Birth: North Carolina Place of Marriage: Bertie co., NC Name: French, John Jr. Date of Birth: Bef 1736 Date of Death: After 1757 Date of Marriage: Bef 1757 Spouse: Sarah Father: John French, Sr. Place of Birth: North Carolina Place of Marriage: Bertie co., NC Name: French, John III Date of Birth: Bef 1752 Date of Death: After 1756 Father: John French, Jr. Place of Birth: North Carolina Name: French, Mary Date of Birth: Bef 1736 Date of Death: After 1757 Father: John French, Jr. Place of Birth: North Carolina

Found this so far and will look for answers when I have time: Name Date of Birth Date of Death Mother Date of Marriage Occupation French, John III Bef 1752 After 1756 French, John Jr. Bef 1736 After 1757 Bef 1757 French, John Jr. Bef 1731 After 1756 Mary Bef 1752 French, John Sr. Jul 10, 1756 Planter French, Mary Bef 1736 After 1757 Herrin, Cynthia, comp. Bertie County, North Carolina Vital Statistics, 1700s-1920. [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2001. Original data: Sentinel Publications. Bertie Beginnings: The Story of Our County and Its Distinguished Citizens. Kinston, NC: Sentinel Publications, 1921. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 8:06 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [FRENCH-L] John FRENCH, land grant 1796 Rutherford Co., NC Land Grants French, John M-Q 478 1796 Can anyone identify him? Best regards, Hugh

Rutherford Co., NC Land Grants French, John M-Q 478 1796 Can anyone identify him? Best regards, Hugh

Rutherford Co., NC Census- 1790 F652 FRENCH Moses M-637 007 116 01 03 03 00 00 1790 F652 FRENCH Sarah M-637 007 116 01 01 01 00 00 Does anyone claim either of these FRENCHs? I have found two Moses FRENCHs, but both were born after 1790. Neither of the Moses' parents were named Moses. Best regards, Hugh

Which Thomas, Jo Ann. Thomas of NJ? Julia In a message dated 7/24/2004 10:39:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: We trace back to Thomas French.

Garland, some do it for verfication as you mention, but I would rather we find a descendant of Thomas French, or John French, Samuel's brothers and test them to prove once and for all that Gideon is descended from Samuel. If we could find those and test them, and their DNA is no different from my nephew, then you might want to test your DNA to be sure that my nephew's DNA matches yours and is representive of Gideon. If yours turns out different from mine, then we might want to test another descendant of Gideon. The more that we test, the more we learn about the different branches of the family. It is so much fun. Julia In a message dated 7/24/2004 6:57:12 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Dick, Julia, Given that I am a descendent of Samuel of N.J., and there are already five 25-25 matches.. ..how does my test add more value? (In addition to personal verification / validation)? Garland

We trace back to Thomas French. We also have several x matches with my mother's family in the mid to late 1800's, where the families intermarried. Mind boggling to say the least. Since there is French blood on both sides of me. Jo Ann Out going mail is CERTIFIED~ VIRUS FREE. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 481 Released Date: 7/22/04

Dick, Julia, Given that I am a descendent of Samuel of N.J., and there are already five 25-25 matches.. ..how does my test add more value? (In addition to personal verification / validation)? Garland

Jo Ann, If you are willing to pay for your brother's DNA test, I can't believe that they wouldn't donate the DNA for you. If you explain that the Y-DNA that we use is called "Junk" DNA because it has no purpose as to identifying a person by Health Issues, Hair or Eye color, Skin Color, etc. It just happens that the markers do not change from father to son, to son, forever. Therefore every related male of the same surname will have the exact same Y-DNA. It is the same DNA that is left on a glass when they have a drink, or their tooth brush or a tissue when they wipe their nose. The company puts a number on the sample and not a name. If you order the test kit, you can order it in the name of your ancestor instead of your brother and you get it to your brother and have him mail it in after he has taken the DNA sample. It will not be connected with him by name or address. If he has ever had blood drawn at a Doctors office or hospital, they have his DNA and they have the kind that tells all. Or if he has Life Insurance, they have his blood, too. Our DNA is easy to obtain if anyone wants it. Show him our website. http://dnafrench.tripod.com/ Julia In a message dated 7/24/2004 4:18:53 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thank you Julia for your response. I rather figured that he wouldn't, but it was worth a try. Neither of my brother's are willing, and have no male cousins in the French line that would be willing. Guess I'm rather "stuck out". Jo Ann

Do not assume the following information is accurate until you have corroborating evidence. Eli Sampson French -- the 7th son of William French and his 2nd wife, Cassna Cantrel. (see also http://www.edenmartin.com/index.htm) The following info on E S French is from the book: COMBINED HISTORY OF SHELBY AND MOULTRIE COUNTIES, ILLINOIS published in Philadelphia in 1881 E. S. FRENCH WAS born in Jefferson county, East Tennessee, December 10th, 1829. His grandfather, Lefford French, was born in New Jersey, and moved to South Carolina, where he lived during the Revolutionary war, in which he served as a soldier. Mr. French's father, William French, was born and raised in South Carolina, near the line separating that state from North Carolina, and married, as his second wife, Cassindia Cantrell, who was born in North Carolina. He moved to Jefferson county, East Tennessee, and from there, in the fall of 1842, emigrated to Clinton county, Illinois, where he died in November, 1845. The family in East Tennessee lived in a rough but healthful country, possessing but few school advantages. He was thirteen when he came to this state. He resided in Clinton county till twenty-one years of age. About the year 1850 he came to this part of the state, and for some years was engaged in different occupations. February 14th, 1855, he married Julia Ann Ward, daughter of William L. Ward, who came to Illinois from Shelby county, Kentucky. Mrs. French is a native of the county. Her mother's name, before marriage, was Sallie McKiver. After his marriage, Mr. French went to farming for himself in Moultrie county, and in the spring of 1856 came to Pickaway township, and in 1857 settled where he now resides in section 23. He began improving his present farm in 1856. At that time there were few settlements on the prairie in the township. He has been one of the large farmers of that part of the county, and owns 789 acres of land, 735 of which is in Pickaway township. He has six children: Ada, who married B. P. Deering; Mary, Jennie, Maggie, Ellsworth, and Geneva. Three beside died in infancy. He was brought up a whig, and voted for Fillmore in 1856, but has been a republican since 1860, when he voted for Lincoln. For about twenty years he has been a member of the Methodist church.

And please tell them/ him that it is simple, NO blood draw; you just swirl 2 swabs around in your mouth for a minute each to get the sample, no cuts, no starvation, all they need is the mucus, the lab does extract the DNA sample off the swab.. Dick French ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] DNA Testing > Jo Ann, the test requires a male who carries the surname of the group that is > being tested. In this case, FRENCH. Your son carries the surname of Campbell > and would have Campbell Y-DNA. > > You would have to test one of your male relatives who are named French. > > I tested my nephew. > > Julia French Wood > > In a message dated 7/24/2004 2:12:21 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > On this DNA testing, could my son, be worked in on this? > > I am a "blood French Line", would there be enough markers > to count with him? > > Since I do not know all the in's and out's on DNA, I am just > wondering, > > Thank's > Jo Ann French~Campbell > [email protected] > >

Jo Ann, the test requires a male who carries the surname of the group that is being tested. In this case, FRENCH. Your son carries the surname of Campbell and would have Campbell Y-DNA. You would have to test one of your male relatives who are named French. I tested my nephew. Julia French Wood In a message dated 7/24/2004 2:12:21 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: On this DNA testing, could my son, be worked in on this? I am a "blood French Line", would there be enough markers to count with him? Since I do not know all the in's and out's on DNA, I am just wondering, Thank's Jo Ann French~Campbell [email protected]