There are several Moore's listed on the same 1790 census I mentioned earlier along with what I posted too. One was a John Moore but the others I could not read very well. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] William French/Sebring You know, Judith, you keep sending this stuff and, finally, something rang a bell. When I first began researching my MOORE line I only knew my ggrandfather, William Co. Moore (whose mother was Mary French sister of Lafford). At that time, of course, I didn't know who William's mother was. All I had was the family bible which gave William C. Moore's birth and marriage and says that William C. Moore's mother, brother, wife and sister all died in Cape Girardeau Co., MO in the year 1839 and all buried in the same place. Afterwards, William took his children back to TN. In searching the court records of Cape Girardeau Co., MO, I was able to find that William C. Moore was executor to the estate of Morgan MOORE and figured that he was the brother, however, no mention of the female deaths. However, William C. Moore was guardian to Seabring children. I could never prove the connection and if William's sister, Jane had married a Seabring, but it just now hit me after all those years. This is the French / Seabring connection that has followed them all that way. I must find time to dig out all those files. Julia

Scott, they are definitely related, but no proof yet. Richard's and William's names are on various land deeds as joint owners. Also, when Richard was put in jail in about 1654, William cared for and brought up Richard's son Samuel from age 1 to adulthood. The relationship hasn't been determined yet. On another issue: So, you're wondering if William was the grandson of Jacob of Assington. Jacob had 5 sons: William, Jacob, Thomas, John, and Robert. The William in question was b. ca. 1603. His father could have been William, could not have been Jacob because he died before 1603, could not have been Thomas because Thomas didn't have a son named William, John's child was born much later than 1603, and Robert was too young. The only possibility then is William who could be the father of William. The dates and places make this a real possibility. The William in question even named one of his sons Jacob, presumedly after his grandfather. Records in the Assington, Twinstead, Halstead area in England need to be researched. Mara on 8/2/04 8:42 PM, TUNDRA at [email protected] wrote: > An old topic with a new twist - > Was Richard French of Marshfield a brother of William French of Billerica? > > FFA http://www.frenchfamilyassoc.com/ > FSdna http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id1.html > > Richard French, FFA chart #6, FSdna #131 > born: Coggeshall, Essex, Eng > died: 14dec1688, Marshfield, MA > > William French, FFA chart #2, FSdna #123 > born: between 19nov1602 and 5june1603, Eng > died: 20nov1681, Billerica, MA; age 78 > > The Y-Chromosome Allele positions for William French, FSdna #123 and Richard > French FSdna #131 clearly indicate that they were not brothers. > > However; William French, FSdna #123, was perhaps the grandson of Jacob French, > FSdna #126. Jacob's son was Thomas, FFA chart #1. > > Scott French > > > > > >

All, The following is a theory and not substantiated. PROBLEM. Find the source of the name, Lafford, in Lafford FRENCH, b. 1753 NJ. ASSUMPTION. Lafford was the first born son of Joseph and Hannah (Horn) FRENCH therefore would most likely be named for a family member. First searching back on the ancestry of Joseph and Hannah (Horn) FRENCH we find: FRENCH, Joseph (Sr) and wife, Allee. paternal grand parents Thomas and wife, Mary ALLEN, paternal great grand parents ALLEN, Judah and Mary WOOLEY, paternal great, great grand parents HORN, Simon and wife, Sarah OLDEN, maternal grand parents Simon and wife, Rebecca REA, maternal great grand parents OLDEN, William and Elizabeth GILES, maternal great grand parents REA, Jushua and Sarah WATERS, maternal great great grand parents GILES, James and Elizabeth TIDD, maternal great great grand parents There does not seem to be a family connection to the name Lafford for a first son among the names shown above. There is one obvious area that is unsearched and that is the family of Allee, wife of Joseph FRENCH. Allee would be a grand parent and a logical source for the naming of a grandchild. The problem is to connect Allee to a SURNAME which has a first name of Lafford (sp.). We know by earlier research that there was a Leffert SEBRING (sp.) associated with the FRENCH family in NJ. At first cut this possibility should be explored by examining the SEBRING surname. Best regards, Hugh

Found this reference: ID: I16995 Name: William French 1 Sex: M Reference Number: 17406 Marriage 1 Antie Sebring b: 1723 Married: 28 DEC 1742 in Middlesex County, New Jersey Sources: Title: Stephen Clyde Hoskin Note: 3801 Apache Court, Boulder, CO 80303, 303-494-2850 ID: I16920 Name: Johannes Sebring 1 Sex: M Birth: 10 AUG 1700 Reference Number: 17331 Father: Johannes Sebring b: 1673 in Midwout (Flatbush), Long Island, New York Mother: Aeltje Leffertse Marriage 1 Aeltje Children Antie Sebring b: 1723 Father: Johannes Sebring b: 5 MAR 1726/27 in Raritan Twp, Hunterdon County, New Jersey Mother:Elizabeth Sebring b: 28 MAY 1732 in Raritan Twp, Hunterdon County, New Jersey Sources: Title: Stephen Clyde Hoskin Note: 3801 Apache Court, Boulder, CO 80303, 303-494-2850

Name Father Mother Birth Date Sebring, Leffert Sebring , Johannes Leffertse , Aeltje 28 August 1705 Sebring, Leffert Sebring , Johannes Leffertsen , Aeltje 28 August 1705 Name: Leffert Sebring Spouse: Jannetje De Degroot Parents: Johannes Sebring , Aeltje Leffertse Birth Place: Raritan, NJ Birth Date: 28 August 1705 Marriage Date: 1736 Death Place: NJ Death Date: 1777 Sebring, Abraham Sebring , Leffert Degroot , Jannetje De 1738 Sebring, Abraham Sebring , Leffert Degroot , Jannetje 1738 Sebring, Aeltje Sebring , Leffert Degroot , Jannetje De 25 February 1753 Sebring, Feytje Sebring , Leffert Degroot , Jannetje De 11 May 1751 Sebring, Fitje Sebring , Leffert Degroot , Jannetje De 13 April 1746 Sebring, Jacob Sebring , Leffert Degroot , Jannetje De 11 March 1743 Sebring, Suffia Sophia Sebring , Leffert Degroot , Jannetje De 1741

Here is another possible spelling: yeoman; will of. Wife, Fythie, real and personal estate during widowhood; at her re-marriage or decease oldest son John and his heirs to have the home-farm and all other lands, "except a certain piece and all the meadows, which lyes in Somerset Co., joyning Bound Brook, and the meadows of Lafert Sebring and likewise joynes land of Peter Williamson," which meadows shall be divided equally between John, Jean and Margaret. Likewise lots fronting Raritan Road, next to land that Robert Clawson lives on. "To Margaret DeGroot, daughter of my brother John, £100 when of age." Executors--wife Fythie, son John, son-in-law Lafert Sebring, and Derick Van Veighten, of Somerset Co. Witnesses--Tobias Van Norden, Hendrick Harpending, Elias V. Court, Junr. Proved 21 May, 1750. Calendar of New Jersey Wills, Vol. II 1730-1750 Calendar of New Jersey Wills

Colonial families of the United States of America: Volume 1 ISSUE III. HENDRICK, m. (firstly) Letitia SEBRING; m. (secondly) Harmpey LEFFERTS; m. (thirdly) Phebe SKIDMORE. View Full Context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Colonial families of the United States of America: Volume 1 ISSUE BY 1ST m. HENDRICK SUYDAM, bap. 22d August, 1735; d. 9th February, 1818; lived at Newtown, L. I.; Clerk of Captain Lambert Suydam's Troop of Horse, Kings County, New York, Militia, 14th August, 1776; m. (firstly) 30th August, 1762, Letitia SEBRING, d. 14th February, 1765; m. (secondly) 20th October, 1766, Harmpey LEFFERTS, d. 19th November, 1767; no issue; m. (thirdly) 3d August, 1770, Phebe SKIDMORE, b. 7th January, 1745; d. 11th April, 1832. View Full Context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Colonial Families of the United States of America: Volume 3 ISSUE 51. Orpha Eliza RUMSEY, b. 17th Mar. 1856; m. Cornelius Richard SEBRING. View Full Context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Colonial Families of the United States of America: Volume 3 ISSUE 12. Edgar Delos SEBRING, b. 6th Aug. 1880; graduated at Cornell, 1903; member of Cornell 'Varsity Crew, 1901-2; m. 27th June, 1907, Carolyn Merkle STORMS, b. 7th Aug. 1882. View Full Context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Colonial Families of the United States of America: Volume 3 ISSUE 13. John Richard SEBRING, b. 20th Apr. 1911. View Full Context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Colonial Families of the United States of America: Volume 3 ISSUE 22. Lena SEBRING, d. aetat. 4 years. View Full Context ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Colonial Families of the United States of America: Volume 3 ISSUE 4. Nathaniel Bailey, b. 1st Mar. 1823; m. Maria SEBRING.

Also spelling of Sebring listed 1790 NY census: Name Home in 1790 (City,County,State) Year View Census Cornelius Sebring Kinderhook, Columbia, NY 1790 Jacob Sebring Southfield, Richmond, NY 1790 John Sebring Montgomery, Ulster, NY 1790

Listing for Seabring 1790 NY census: Name Home in 1790 (City,County,State) Year View Census Leffert Seabring Stillwater, Albany, NY 1790 Isaac Seabring New York City Dock Ward, New York, NY 1790 Cornelius Seabring New York City North Ward, New York, NY 1790 James Seabring New York City North Ward, New York, NY 1790 John Seabring New York City South Ward, New York, NY 1790

Frenchs listed in New York 1790 census: Name Home in 1790 (City,County,State) Year View Census Elijah French Balls Town, Albany, NY 1790 David French Cambridge, Albany, NY 1790 John French Hoosick, Albany, NY 1790 Ansil French Rensselaerwick, Albany, NY 1790 John French Rensselaerwick, Albany, NY 1790 Peter French Rensselaerwick, Albany, NY 1790 Benjn French Saratoga, Albany, NY 1790 Benjn, Jur French Saratoga, Albany, NY 1790 John French Saratoga, Albany, NY 1790 Peter French Plattsburgh, Clinton, NY 1790 Ruben French Plattsburgh, Clinton, NY 1790 Levi French Wellsburgh, Clinton, NY 1790 Joseph French Hudson, Columbia, NY 1790 Jeremiah French Pawling, Dutchess, NY 1790 Joseph French Washington, Dutchess, NY 1790 John French Harpersfield, Montgomery, NY 1790 William French Harpersfield, Montgomery, NY 1790 Abner French Mohawk, Montgomery, NY 1790 Ashel French Mohawk, Montgomery, NY 1790 Ebenezer French Mohawk, Montgomery, NY 1790 Joseph French Mohawk, Montgomery, NY 1790 Samuel French Mohawk, Montgomery, NY 1790 David, Junr French Otsego, Montgomery, NY 1790 David, Senr French Otsego, Montgomery, NY 1790 John French Otsego, Montgomery, NY 1790 Jasper French Whites, Montgomery, NY 1790 Joseph French Oyster Bay, Queens, NY 1790 Joseph French Middletown, Ulster, NY 1790 Jonathan French Argyle, Washington, NY 1790 Peter French Hampton, Washington, NY 1790

1790 Census: Name: Leffert Seabring Township: Stillwater County: Albany State: New York Year: 1790 Roll: M637_6 Page: 51 Image: 0322 Shows 2, 2, 5 which would mean 2 males over 16, 2 males under 16, 5 females Also on same page was listed Cornelius U or V Horn 1, 2, 2

Descendants of Noah French 1754-1843 from updated file located on Ancestry.com updated Sep 6, 2003 Entry 1629 by Jan-Marie McCabe. Taken from Jan McCabe 10-23-03: We're still trying to identify the parents of Noah. Per his military records, at the age of about 16, Noah served as an express rider during the Revolutionary War. In these records, Noah's father is listed as John. However, one of Noah's grandsons, Zerah French (1827 - 1890), identifies Noah's father as William French. Perhaps Zerah was actually referring to Noah's grandfather, rather than his father. Because of information that connects Noah to Essex County, Union County, and Morris County, NJ, we've been trying to work back from Noah and down from John French (the brick mason) and his wife, Susannah of Woodbridge, who were in Middlesex County as early as 1680. John (c.1650 - 1713) and Susannah were from Staten Island before being in Woodbridge. Many of John and Susannah's descendants were in Essex County and Union County (including David French (1747-1838) who fought during the Revolutionary War. Other male descendants of John and Susannah also fought during the Revolutionary War. Because this military connection seems at odds with a Quaker heritage, it appears that this family is a completely separate French line, distinct from the Quaker line of Thomas (b 1611 in England). At this time, I'm particularly interested in William French, who married Antie Sebring in Middlesex County, NJ in 1742. Antie Sebring had a brother Leffert, who posted the marriage bond with William French when he obtained the marriage license in Middlesex County. I believe this William is descended from John (the brickmason) and Susannah French. Lafford (born in 1753) would fit nicely into this family, as he would have been named for his uncle. Also, Lafford names his son William. This theory would then resolve what seems to be a strange DNA connection from the "military" Frenchs to the Quaker Frenchs. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find a male "French" descendant of Noah French to participate in the DNA project. I'd gladly contribute to the cost if one could be located. I'm still looking -- I've found many descendants -- just no direct male Frenchs. But, even if I find someone, this won't help to prove or disprove the above theory.

In a message dated 8/3/04 7:00:55 PM, [email protected] writes: << All that is stated in the RW pension files of Lafford & wife is that he was born in NJ in 1753. I do not find his father or mother identified. Only three of his brothers were identified. >> __________ J., William FRENCH is listed with his brothers, Lafford, Joseph (III), and Simon as patriots of the RW serving in SC. Lafford's pension application reveals a birth in NJ. NJ records substantiate this fact with date (1753) and parents, Joseph (II) and Hannah (Horn) FRENCH. The 1749 marriage of Joseph (II) and Hannah is also recorded in NJ. It is the link to Joseph (I) and Allee as parents of Joseph (II) that is the weak point. Best regards, Hugh

Sorry - Sophronia's sister Elizabeth died in infancy. The other names don't match.

Hi Hugh, Would any of your French's originated from Durham or York, if so we may be able to exchange information. regards john edwards

I dont know - I have inherited a genealogical sampler done by Sophronia in 1827 and would like to see if there is a serious French researcher who would like to have it. All I have is siblings birth dates, from 1806 to 1833. I cannot find this family on ancestry.com, rootsweb, or Cyndi's list, so am trying you. Rita Lancefield/Palo Alto, CA

Looking descendants/descendants of siblings for Sophronia French, daughter of Moses and Sarah French. She was born in 1816, don't know where. Rita Lancefield

Rita, I have a Moses and Sarah French who had a daughter identified as Elizabeth born abt 1817 in Jefferson Co. TN. Identified siblings born between 1814 and 1837 include James, William, Joseph, Barsheba, Martha, and Moses. j french -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 11:21 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Sophronia French I dont know - I have inherited a genealogical sampler done by Sophronia in 1827 and would like to see if there is a serious French researcher who would like to have it. All I have is siblings birth dates, from 1806 to 1833. I cannot find this family on ancestry.com, rootsweb, or Cyndi's list, so am trying you. Rita Lancefield/Palo Alto, CA

Rita, Need a little more information about your Sophronia French in order to help you. Who did she marry? Where did she live, etc. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:50 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [FRENCH-L] Sophronia French Looking descendants/descendants of siblings for Sophronia French, daughter of Moses and Sarah French. She was born in 1816, don't know where. Rita Lancefield

Al, YES!! William was the son of John "J." French and Mary Ackerman French. His siblings were Jefferson A. French, Indiana French, George Washington French, John S. French, Lafayette Porter French, James French, Loring French, and Mary French. There were probably at least two other daughters of John and Mary that I have not found. This is the family I have been researching for several years. John "J." French was my Great Great Great Grandfather. I have not been able to located his family back in New York, Vermont, or New Hampshire. The reason for the quotes around his middle initial is I'm uncertain whether it is an "I", or "J", or "T". I have seen it different ways. Could be just trouble reading the old handwriting.... Richard O. Day researching French, Graves, Allen, House, Ackerman... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eleanor and Al Maass" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:56 AM Subject: [FRENCH-L] William M. French in Indiana > While searching for William French (1804-1850) in Jeffersonville, Clark > Co., IN I found William M. French in the 1840 US Census for IN in > Dearborn County along with a George French. By 1850 US Census for IN > William M. had moved to Jefferson Co. while George was still in Dearborn > Co., IN I have assumed that William M and George were brothers - is > there any information? Thanks Al. > >