Both Samuel and Samuel, Jr. had a son named John. The elder John died about 1796 in Montgomery Co., TN which is right over the state line. Julia In a message dated 8/15/2004 7:16:48 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: RUTHERFORD COUNTY, NC LAND GRANTS John French, land grant filed: book M-Q page 478 filed 1796 This John was an adult at the time Lefford & Elizabeth's son John was born.

In reading this website I see two names that tie my Samuel French line to this area. One being Lessenby, as Samuel's grandson (son of John), Joesph married a Lessenby and the Capt. Berry as both Lafford and Samuel, Jr. had a son named, Berry. Julia In a message dated 8/15/2004 7:10:45 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Info: http://genealogy.patp.us/vauquel.shm

In a message dated 8/15/2004 6:41:15 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Why did John FRENCH convey the land to Robert VAUQELLIN so soon after John acquired title to the land? Sometimes they aquired land by pattent but didn't need or want the land, so they sold it, immediately. I do not know the relationship if any. Julia

RUTHERFORD COUNTY, NC LAND GRANTS John French, land grant filed: book M-Q page 478 filed 1796 This John was an adult at the time Lefford & Elizabeth's son John was born.

This is amazing that I thought that I had looked at all records of Anson Co., NC and I never saw Joseph there. If I had, it wouldn't have taken me 9 years and DNA to prove that Samuel was related to Joseph. Julia In a message dated 8/15/2004 6:07:11 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/colonial/Spencer1770.htm [Abstracted from the Original at the North Carolina Archives by Joel S. Russel] Field Return of the Regiment of Militia for Anson County, at a General Muster, the 19th day of November 1770, pursuant to the Governor's Orders At the Court House [Commissioned Officers] James Pickett, Captain Joseph French, Lieutenant William Pickett, Ensign 3 [Serjents] 3 [corporals] 1 [drummer] 53 [underarms] 10 [absent]62 [total] 47 [effective men] [Officers recommended to vacancies] William Pickett, Lieut., Robert Jarman, Ens. [Officers resigned or moved out of the County] Lieut. Joseph French removed out of the county

Twelve Mile Creek deeds were shown in Ninety Six District in 1790. A Twelve Mile Creek deed in 1815 is shown in Pendleton District. Since the first 2 land deeds reflect the same date -- 1790/02/09 -- it is probable we had a father and a son, both named Joseph FRENCH. To own land, the son is probably at least 21 and born no later than 1769. If we assume the father was at least 16 when this son was born, the father was born no later than 1753. Conclusions: 1) This is not Lafford's brother Joseph & his son [or] 2) The birth order for Joseph, brother of Lafford is in error [or] 3) This is the Joseph French's claimed to be Lafford's father & brother. 4) There is a 2nd Joseph FRENCH family living in the Pendleton Dist And, based on the info in the 3rd deed below, a Joseph FRENCH may be living in Pendleton Dist as late as 1816. ============================= 1790 - Joseph French on Twelve Mile Creek, 72 acres Series Number: S213190 Volume: 0025 Page: 00036 Item: 02 Date: 1790/02/09 Description: FRENCH, JOSEPH, PLAT FOR 72 ACRES ON BRANCH OF TWELVE MILE CREEK, NINETY SIX DISTRICT, SURVEYED BY ROBERT PRINCE. Names Indexed: FRENCH, JOSEPH/PRINCE, ROBERT/YOUNG/SALMON/ Locations: NINETY SIX DISTRICT/TWELVE MILE CREEK Type: PLAT/ =============================== 1790 - Joseph French SR on Twelve Mile Creek, 200 Acres Series Number: S213190 Volume: 0025 Page: 00037 Item: 02 Date: 1790/02/09 Description: FRENCH, JOSEPH SR., PLAT FOR 200 ACRES ON BRANCH OF TWELVE MILE RIVER, NINETY SIX DISTRICT, SURVEYED BY ROBERT PRINCE. Names Indexed: FRENCH, JOSEPH SR./PRINCE, ROBERT/EARLE, BAYLIS/ Locations: NINETY SIX DISTRICT/TWELVE MILE CREEK Type: PLAT/ ============================= 1815 - Joseph French mentioned - Twelve Mile Creek/Pendleton Dist Series Number: S213192 Volume: 0044 Page: 00059 Item: 01 Date: 1815/06/26 Description: JETT, JAMES, PLAT FOR 20 ACRES ON TWELVE MILE RIVER, PENDLETON DISTRICT, SURVEYED BY JAMES JETT. Names Indexed: JETT, JAMES/FRENCH, JOSEPH/SMITH, BAZEL/CHAPMAN/ Locations: TWELVE MILE CREEK/PENDLETON DISTRICT Type: PLAT/

http://www.mindspring.com/~jsruss/colonial/Spencer1770.htm [Abstracted from the Original at the North Carolina Archives by Joel S. Russel] Field Return of the Regiment of Militia for Anson County, at a General Muster, the 19th day of November 1770, pursuant to the Governor's Orders At the Court House [Commissioned Officers] James Pickett, Captain Joseph French, Lieutenant William Pickett, Ensign 3 [Serjents] 3 [corporals] 1 [drummer] 53 [underarms] 10 [absent]62 [total] 47 [effective men] [Officers recommended to vacancies] William Pickett, Lieut., Robert Jarman, Ens. [Officers resigned or moved out of the County] Lieut. Joseph French removed out of the county

Info: http://genealogy.patp.us/vauquel.shm

Here's some information from Colonial New Jersey Source Records, 1600s-1700s [database online], Genealogy.com: "1670 Dec. 30. Do [Patent]. to John ffrench of Woodbridge mason for: 1, 10 acres of upland on the West of Vaquellins [Vauquellin's?] Hill, along Israel Thorncum's meadow; 2, five acres of meadow, not yet laid out. Marg[ina]l Note: 'This pattent is transported [?] to Robert Vauquellin.' "1670 Dec. 31. Affidavit of John French, that he has conveyed land and meadow, mentioned in his patent to Robert Vauquellin." I have never before heard of a land patent being "transported." Does the marginal note mean that the land patent was transferred? Why did John FRENCH convey the land to Robert VAUQELLIN so soon after John acquired title to the land? What was the relationship, if any, between John FRENCH and Robert VAUQUELLIN, other than that of grantor and grantee of 15 acres of land in NJ? Mike Frost

This link does not work. > > From: [email protected] > Date: 2004/08/14 Sat PM 09:02:38 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] SC 1769- Neal & Joseph FRENCH sign Regulators Petition > > > Sorry, David is our DNA Project Administrator and his ancestor is Joseph > French, P# 1001 in our DNA Project. _http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id10.html_ > (http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id10.html) > > Julia > > In a message dated 8/14/2004 1:58:38 PM Central Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I'm confused. Which David FRENCH has a Joseph FRENCH in NC in 1769? Neither > David shown in the DNA testing have a Joseph in NC. > > > > > > Judy Katrein Bajorek !!Free!! To Take My Research! Surnames: BRADFORD, BROHMANN, FAUNCE, FRENCH, KATREIN, KIEFNER, KLEEMANN, METERLE, PAPP, RUZITSKA http://katrein.us author of http://lazyhsales.com http://kmhunting.com

The location on the Peedee River is where my Samuel French was and Tryon County is the part that later became SC. However, I scanned all the names on that petition and didn't find any that looked familiar as being those who were in NC in all the documents that I have read of the time that Samuel French was in Anson on the Peedee River. The only names that I recognize are all from the Isle of Wight, VA area, and then to the Bertie, Nash, Edgecombe, Craven area. Like Culpepper, Braswell, Thompson, Wright, and Theophulis Williams (who is one of my ancestors). Julia In a message dated 8/15/2004 6:34:44 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I have reviewed a transcript of NC Regulator Petition of 1769 and find only two FRENCH names, Neal and Joseph, as earlier reported. The names are listed early on the petition and Neal and Joseph are within a line of each other but not adjacent. There are three columns of names. Neal is in the first column and Joseph in the third. There is no county identification among the listed names. Because Anson was a forerunner of Rutherford Co. which later (1779) became the home for some FRENCHs, it is reasonable to think that the area was in Anson and was considered to include what later became the North part of South Carolina about 1815. What I am suggesting is that the FRENCHs of the area may well have been considered North Carolinians. Why then did some serve in the SC militia (Roebuck's Regt.)? It may well have been which recruiter visited this ill defined area first. Some thoughts, Hugh

I have reviewed a transcript of NC Regulator Petition of 1769 and find only two FRENCH names, Neal and Joseph, as earlier reported. The names are listed early on the petition and Neal and Joseph are within a line of each other but not adjacent. There are three columns of names. Neal is in the first column and Joseph in the third. There is no county identification among the listed names. Because Anson was a forerunner of Rutherford Co. which later (1779) became the home for some FRENCHs, it is reasonable to think that the area was in Anson and was considered to include what later became the North part of South Carolina about 1815. What I am suggesting is that the FRENCHs of the area may well have been considered North Carolinians. Why then did some serve in the SC militia (Roebuck's Regt.)? It may well have been which recruiter visited this ill defined area first. Some thoughts, Hugh

I believe the Regulators Petition, signed by a Neal FRENCH & Joseph FRENCH was from the citizens of the "old" Anson County. URL below for those who want to read the entire document. David's Joseph FRENCH, lived in Onslow County on the Atlantic and their migration was northward to Jones & Craven County. It is doubtful that this Neal & Joseph FRENCH were the Onslow FRENCH's. As I understand it, the NC east coast residents rather viewed the NC "back country" citizens as near savages. Onslow, Jones nor Craven would not have been part of the "old" Anson County. In 1750 Anson County was formed from Bladen County. At that time, it reached all the way to the Mississippi River. . . . The following counties were once part of Anson County: Alexander, Alleghany, Ashe, Avery, Buncombe, Burke, Cabarrus, Caldwell, Catawba, Cherokee, Clay, Cleveland, Davidson, Davie, Forsyth, Gaston, Graham, Guilford, Haywood, Henderson, Iredell, Jackson, Lincoln, Macon, Madison, McDowell, Mecklenburg, Mitchell, Montgomery, Polk, Randolph, Richmond, Rockingham, Rowan, Rutherford, Scotland, Stanly, Stokes, Surry, Swain, Transylvania, Tryon, Union, Watauga, Wilkes, Yadkin, Yancey. REGULATORS PETITION http://www.rootsweb.com/~ncanson/petition.htm -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 8:03 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] SC 1769- Neal & Joseph FRENCH sign Regulators Petition Sorry, David is our DNA Project Administrator and his ancestor is Joseph French, P# 1001 in our DNA Project. _http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id10.html_ (http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id10.html) Julia In a message dated 8/14/2004 1:58:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I'm confused. Which David FRENCH has a Joseph FRENCH in NC in 1769? Neither David shown in the DNA testing have a Joseph in NC.

Sorry, David is our DNA Project Administrator and his ancestor is Joseph French, P# 1001 in our DNA Project. _http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id10.html_ (http://dnafrench.tripod.com/id10.html) Julia In a message dated 8/14/2004 1:58:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I'm confused. Which David FRENCH has a Joseph FRENCH in NC in 1769? Neither David shown in the DNA testing have a Joseph in NC.

I'm confused. Which David FRENCH has a Joseph FRENCH in NC in 1769? Neither David shown in the DNA testing have a Joseph in NC. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Not necessarily, David's Joseph French was in NC and was the right age to have signed that petition. We don't have the name Neal in our French line. Julia

Not necessarily, David's Joseph French was in NC and was the right age to have signed that petition. We don't have the name Neal in our French line. Julia In a message dated 8/13/2004 8:07:45 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Petition dated 9 October 1769. >> __________ J. This seems to reflect Joseph FRENCH (I) of NJ since he was married in 1749 and his children were born after that date, so all (including Joseph (II)), would be under 20.

And I am wondering if the name was perhaps Noel instead of Neal -- I have only seen a transcription, not a scan of the original document. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:25 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] SC 1769- Neal & Joseph FRENCH sign Regulators Petition Not necessarily, David's Joseph French was in NC and was the right age to have signed that petition. We don't have the name Neal in our French line. Julia In a message dated 8/13/2004 8:07:45 PM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Petition dated 9 October 1769. >> __________ J. This seems to reflect Joseph FRENCH (I) of NJ since he was married in 1749 and his children were born after that date, so all (including Joseph (II)), would be under 20.

Samuel FRENCH and James FRENCH shown in 1763 - on tax list of Anson Co. SOUTH CAROLINA - REGULATOR PARDON - 1771 -- no FRENCH name included. Area later known as Rutherford Co. was once part of Anson County -- The northern areas of some SC counties that border NC were once considered to be in Anson County too. When the NC-SC line was later surveyed, (after 1771) these areas became part of SC. ". . . . the territory began to be known as North and South Carolina. The northern territory was made a separate colony in 1712 and had its own governors until 1829. This boundary begun in 1735, but was not established, nor fully surveyed until 1815." By: Paul R. Sarrett, Jr.

In a message dated 8/13/04 8:12:08 PM, [email protected] writes: << Neal FRENCH and Joseph FRENCH sign the Regulators Petition Petition dated 9 October 1769. >> __________ J. This seems to reflect Joseph FRENCH (I) of NJ since he was married in 1749 and his children were born after that date, so all (including Joseph (II)), would be under 20. Do you have a Province where this petition was originated? The counties seen to be the same as those found in NC. This was just before the Regulator Revolution which was put down by Gov. Tyron at the Battle of Alamance (Orange Co.), NC in 1771. Apparently the FRENCHs moved to SC after this incident. There was a group of Quakers who organized Wrightsboro, GA (on the South Carolina border) about this time. Best regards, Hugh

Neal FRENCH and Joseph FRENCH sign the Regulators Petition Petition dated 9 October 1769. "Mr. Speaker and Gen't of the Assembly. . . . 15. That all taxes in the following Counties be paid as in other Counties in the Province (i.e.) in the produce of the County and that warehouses be erected as follows (viz), In Anson County at Isom Haleys Ferry Landing on PeeDee River, Rowan and Orange at Cambleton in Cumberland County, Mecklenburg at __?___ on the Catawba River, and in Tryon County at __?__ on __?__ River. 16. That every denomination of People may marry according to their respective mode Ceremony and customs after due publication or License. 17. That Doc't Benjamin Franklin or some other known patriot be appointed agent, to represent the unhappy state of this Province to his Majesty, and to solicit the several Boards in England. [reported signatures included] Neal French . . . Joseph French . . .