OOPS! SB www.combs-families.org/combs/records/tn/war12f.htm If still doesn't work--go on google & put in 'joseph elledge' -click on 6th item down. Barbara ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara G To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:44 PM Subject: 1812 Warren Co, Tenn Tax List--Elledge/French/Denton To make things more interesting see following site www.combs-families.org/combs/records/tn/war12f.hlm Barbara

To make things more interesting see following site www.combs-families.org/combs/records/tn/war12f.hlm Barbara

Hello, Have a William French in my background, believed to have been my GGG Grandfather, estimate he was born about 1780, probably in South Carolina. He was married to Nancy Chapman, and their daughter Frances French Bagley of Independence Co., AR was my GG Grandmother. Per 1850 census Frances birthdate is given as 1804 and Kentucky was listed as her birthplace. Believe William lived in Livingston Co., KY prior to coming to Arkansas Territory in early 1800's. A Nancy French is shown in 1850 census for Izard Co., AR living with younger family members, her age is given as 72, and place of birth given as South Carolina. Assume she is the widow of my William French. Have tried to fit William into the line of Joseph French of SC, or maybe son of Simon French in Christian Co., KY? Best regards, Grace

This is getting very interesting. 1800 Census - Pendleton, SC Joseph ELLEDGE-male & female 45 & up; female 16-26; female 10-16 and 2 girls, 2 boys under 10 John DENTON - male & female 16-26; a boy and a girl under 10. A William FRENCH and a Betsey FRENCH were also in SC 1800 (shown previously). WHAT IF -- The Elledge, Denton and French families purchased land in what is now called Warren County Kentucky through one of the land speculators or a representative who is already in the Warren KY area while still living in SC. The families leave South Carolina AFTER the 1800 SC census. FACTS: An older Simon and William FRENCH appear on the 1790 Census in SC in the same area. In 1800 Census neither Simon nor William of the 1790 census are listed in this area. In 1800 Census a younger William FRENCH is listed in this area, along with a John DENTON family and a Joseph ELLEDGE family. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:04 AM William French, John Denton, Whitefield Elledge, and Joseph Elledge were on 1797 Warren Co., KY Tax List [Note: John DENTON m. Jane FRENCH, Joseph ELLEDGE m. Sally FRENCH, both FRENCHs were daughters of William FRENCH [JF NOTE: brother of RW Lafford]. . . . _______________ USC (Tax List) 1800 Warren Co, KY -Wm French _______________ Joseph Elledge and William French were on the 1800 and 1801 Warren Co, KY Tax Lists. [Note: Joseph ELLEDGE m. Sally FRENCH, above.} [WILSON CO TENNESSEE BY 1804] ________________ Both William French and Joseph French, as well as Joseph Elledge and John Denton were on the 1804 and 1805 Wilson Co, TN Tax Lists. [Note: as above. Joseph FRENCH, s/o William FRENCH (Joseph) decd in SC.] ________________ On Nov 13, 1808, Wilson Co., TN, Will Book 1, page 172, The inventory of the property of William French, deceased, lists estate buyers: JOSEPH ELLEDGE WHITEFIELD ELLEDGE HUGH FRENCH and several others. [Note: Joseph ELLEDGE m. Sally, d/o William FRENCH, decd. in SC; Hugh FRENCH, s/o William, decd in SC]

If one assumes the family names and marriages collected by Mr Rose* are only some of the family members (those mentioned at the time of his conversation with the MO residents in the 1870's) Then one can argue that this William and Joseph FRENCH are the older sons of William FRENCH brother of Lafford (RW) FRENCH. 1790 - William FRENCH (the older) 2 males over 16, 2 males under 16 and 5 females [family has boy over 16, 2 boys under 16 and 4 girls] 1800 - Betsey FRENCH has 1 boy 10-16 [possibly born 1790 after census enumeration date] and 2 boys 16-26 but only 1 girl 16-26 and 5 children under 10 who would have been born 1790-1800. [-- and one can argue 3 of the girls have married or died between 1790-1800. It is possible there were additional children who had already left the William FRENCH hshld before the 1790 Census.] 1800 - William FRENCH (the younger) and female are 16-26 with only 1 child under 10 If one assumes the 1800 Betsey FRENCH is the widow of Lafford's brother William. If one assumes the 1800 Betsey FRENCH boy 10-16 is the mentioned 'John settled Callaway Co., MO in 1820 If one assumes the younger boy 16-26 is the mentioned 'Hugh settled Boone Co. MO in 1820 Then one could argue the older boy 16-26 exists and is named Joseph and is found along with his older brother, William, in Wilson Co. TN. The fact that they are not named by Mr. Rose does not mean they didn't exist. I would, at this point, consider William FRENCH (the older) to be older than brothers Joseph or Lafford FRENCH. Joseph Elledge is listed along with William FRENCH (the older) in 1790 Pendelton SC Census. He shows 1 male over 16 and 5 females. When did Sally FRENCH marry Joseph ELLEDGE? Possible discrepancies that need examined. [but remember, being on a tax list does not necessarily mean the named person was living there at that time]: William French, John Denton, Whitfield Elledge, and Joseph Elledge were on 1797 Warren Co, KY Tax List _______________ USC (Tax List) 1800 Warren Co, KY -Wm French _______________ Joseph Elledge and William French were on the 1800 and 1801 Warren Co, KY Tax Lists. Now we have constructed a theory about the William FRENCH, brother of Lafford FRENCH, and his family. What is needed now is documentation that supports this theory. I am not yet ready to assume anything in the theory is true. I would be very interested in seeing the will and estate information for William FRENCH that Hugh refers to. We need to establish an age for this William!! Do we have an age for any children of this William FRENCH? * "History of The Pioneer Families of Missouri" by Wm S. Bryan & Robert Rose, published in 1876 -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [FRENCH-L] William FRENCH, KY and TN Now that it is reasonably established that William, s/o Joseph and Hannah FRENCH, died after 1790 and before 1800 in SC before his brother, Simon, departed for KY, there is a William FRENCH found in KY and TN who is not identified: William French, John Denton, Whitfield Elledge, and Joseph Elledge were on 1797 Warren Co, KY Tax List _______________ USC (Tax List) 1800 Warren Co, KY -Wm French _______________ Joseph Elledge and William French were on the 1800 and 1801 Warren Co, KY Tax Lists. ________________ Both William French and Joseph French, as well as Joseph Elledge and John Denton were on the 1804 and 1805 Wilson Co, TN Tax Lists. ________________ On Nov 13, 1808, Wilson Co, TN, Will Book 1, page 172, The inventory of the property of William French, deceased, lists estate buyers: JOSEPH ELLEDGE WHITEFIELD ELLEDGE HUGH FRENCH and several others. ________________ Can anyone place this William FRENCH?----Joseph FRENCH? Best regards, Hugh

Hugh, you may have been correct in your earlier accessment and that is your William, brother of Lafford, who moved to Warren, KY. There is no proof that the Betsy in the Census of 1800 in SC is William's widow. She could be the widow of another French, i.e., Michael, Nathaniel, or even Joseph, Jr. Julia In a message dated 8/20/2004 7:22:30 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Now that it is reasonably established that William, s/o Joseph and Hannah FRENCH, died after 1790 and before 1800 in SC before his brother, Simon, departed for KY, there is a William FRENCH found in KY and TN who is not identified: William French, John Denton, Whitfield Elledge, and Joseph Elledge were on 1797 Warren Co, KY Tax List

Brackets [] added info. Hugh In a message dated 8/20/04 8:22:30 AM, [email protected] writes: << Now that it is reasonably established that William, s/o Joseph and Hannah FRENCH, died after 1790 and before 1800 in SC before his brother, Simon, departed for KY, there is a William FRENCH found in KY and TN who is not identified: William French, John Denton, Whitefield Elledge, and Joseph Elledge were on 1797 Warren Co., KY Tax List [Note: John DENTON m. Jane FRENCH, Joseph ELLEDGE m. Sally FRENCH, both FRENCHs were daughters of William FRENCH, s/o Joseph and Hannah (Horn) FRENCH.] _______________ USC (Tax List) 1800 Warren Co, KY -Wm French _______________ Joseph Elledge and William French were on the 1800 and 1801 Warren Co, KY Tax Lists. [Note: Joseph ELLEDGE m. Sally FRENCH, above.} ________________ Both William French and Joseph French, as well as Joseph Elledge and John Denton were on the 1804 and 1805 Wilson Co, TN Tax Lists. [Note: as above. Joseph FRENCH, s/o William FRENCH (Joseph) decd in SC.] ________________ On Nov 13, 1808, Wilson Co., TN, Will Book 1, page 172, The inventory of the property of William French, deceased, lists estate buyers: JOSEPH ELLEDGE WHITEFIELD ELLEDGE HUGH FRENCH and several others. [Note: Joseph ELLEDGE m. Sally, d/o William FRENCH, decd. in SC; Hugh FRENCH, s/o William, decd in SC] ________________ Can anyone place this William FRENCH? Is he an unknown son of William FRENCH (son of Joseph and Hannah)? Best regards, Hugh

Now that it is reasonably established that William, s/o Joseph and Hannah FRENCH, died after 1790 and before 1800 in SC before his brother, Simon, departed for KY, there is a William FRENCH found in KY and TN who is not identified: William French, John Denton, Whitfield Elledge, and Joseph Elledge were on 1797 Warren Co, KY Tax List _______________ USC (Tax List) 1800 Warren Co, KY -Wm French _______________ Joseph Elledge and William French were on the 1800 and 1801 Warren Co, KY Tax Lists. ________________ Both William French and Joseph French, as well as Joseph Elledge and John Denton were on the 1804 and 1805 Wilson Co, TN Tax Lists. ________________ On Nov 13, 1808, Wilson Co, TN, Will Book 1, page 172, The inventory of the property of William French, deceased, lists estate buyers: JOSEPH ELLEDGE WHITEFIELD ELLEDGE HUGH FRENCH and several others. ________________ Can anyone place this William FRENCH?----Joseph FRENCH? Best regards, Hugh

Garland, NOticed no one had responded to you yet. I have seen in the SC land files a tremendous number of entries for some of the Clarks--which would indicate they were involved in the land speculation/questionable activities that took place. Noticed you mentioned one of the FRENCH boys was doing surveying for the NC Military District--which may tie him into the Land Speculation Clark group(s). -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [FRENCH-L] Samuel French - NC, SC, GA, TN For anyone researching Samuel French of North Carolina (FG103, French DNA) : 1785/05/24.....plat for 276 acres on branch of Saluda River, 96th District, SC. 1786/03/18.....deed for 100 acres on Clarks fork, from Elijah and Hanna Clark., Wilkes, GA 1790 Census, Greenville, SC, Samuel French males +16 males -16 Females slaves 5 1 7 2 1798-1800...Samuel, Sam, Thomas and John are in Montgomery County TN. Tax Lists. Does anyone have information or theory about who is who in SC and GA? Note the five males over 16 in the 1790 Greenvile census. Who might they have been? Also, assuming these are the subject Samuel(s), is there a SC connection because of relationship with Joseph French? It appears that Thomas French, son of Samuel Sr., brother of Samuel Jr. went to Tennessee about 1785 ( Thomas in 1787 Davidson Co. TN Tax List) and was involved in surveying middle Tennessee areas for North Carolina military reservation. Father and brothers followed in the 1798 time frame. Correct? Appreciate your response. Garland French

Thats the problem, I don't have the list, havent seen the list. Just thought it might help rather than wasting someones time before asking for a look up. :) Kim I have a word document that lists over 1500 French's who served during > >the > > > Civil War. The list only covers a few states. Anyone interested in the > > > list can e-mail me. It is to large to post to the French-l list. > > > > > > > > > Jeff French

Sorry about that last message ,I meant to send it the sender and not the whole list

On any web address you must use only the part that is an address. If there are ( ) around it, you must remove them, not just one of them. Julia In a message dated 8/19/2004 1:16:19 AM Central Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In a message dated 8/18/04 8:33:23 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/) > Have tried using this address but it have problem with it not going through. Any suggestions ? Beverly French-Harms

Subject of previous message should read FRENCH rather than FREBCH. Sorry, Hugh

In an earlier message, [email protected] writes: << The error (lack of a surname) probably is in transcription rather than an > omission of the census taker. A look at the original should solve the issue. >> In a message dated 8/19/04 10:11:31 AM, [email protected] writes: << Unfortunately, that turns out not to be the case. I just looked at the original and there's definitely no "French" there, nor is there any other person with surname French on the entire page (which is three columns wide). Of course there's also no room for a longer name as the names touch the borders on both sides.>> __________ Then the lack of a surname for Joseph, Sr., and Joseph, Jr., is a census taker error. I don't see anyway around the error to find the surname. Any ideas? Perhaps tax lists. Best regards, Hugh

Sorry about not getting back Quickly, I have been trying to figure out how to send info that just has the french's in it to save myself from typing it all ;I use Family tree and Legacy 5 My french's were from bradley co. and Little Rock Camden Ar Bearden Ar. I just looked up all the French's in Little Rock and sent them a letter you may be one of them ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] Letters > Ray, My grandmother was a French and our family came from NC to TN to AR and > were in Izard Co AR by very early 1800s. There are not many of our Frenches > left in this part of the state but would be glad to swap a little Info with you > and see if there is a connection. Paula K > >

Can we agree that Betsy FRENCH is probable widow of William FRENCH (Joseph of NJ)? Circumstantial evidence has her in the proximity of Lafford FRENCH (bro. of Wm.) in SC. Timing is consistent with death of William after 1790 Census and the "***** Pioneer Families of Missouri " account. It may well be that William's widow and her family traveled with the same group as Simon FRENCH, brother to Wm., who with family settled in Christian Co., KY. From thence she went to Warren Co., TN by 1812 with son, Hugh FRENCH, as head of household. Does this make sense? At present it is conjecture built on circumstantial data, but seems likely. As to the William S. Bryan and Robert Rose, "A History of the Pioneer Families of Missouri," p. 329, The story must have been originally told by Hugh and Sally FRENCH who happen to be first cousins, children of William and Simon FRENCH, respectively. While their story is told through a third party I give Hugh and Sally better than average marks as being accurate, given the two family input. Best regards, Hugh

Which states does this list cover? >From: "Dennis French" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] American Civil War List of Frenches. >Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 22:16:09 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([66.43.18.41]) by mc6-f32.hotmail.com >with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Wed, 18 Aug 2004 20:20:47 -0700 >Received: (from [email protected])by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id >i7J3FBIe028130;Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:15:11 -0600 >X-Message-Info: QIy1oIULmHdhdXx5kOVDghAFuEHWtWkl >Resent-Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2004 21:15:11 -0600 >X-Original-Sender: [email protected] Wed Aug 18 21:15:11 2004 >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Old-To: <[email protected]> >References: <[email protected]> ><[email protected]> >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.38 >Resent-Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Resent-From: [email protected] >X-Mailing-List: <[email protected]> archive/latest/7860 >X-Loop: [email protected] >Precedence: list >Resent-Sender: [email protected] >Return-Path: [email protected] >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2004 03:20:47.0656 (UTC) >FILETIME=[8554AA80:01C4859B] > >Jeff, > >I am looking for any info on French's in New Hampshire and Illinois. > >Dennis E. French >----- Original Message ----- >From: "sjlfrench" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 10:38 PM >Subject: [FRENCH-L] American Civil War List of Frenches. > > > > I have a word document that lists over 1500 French's who served during >the > > Civil War. The list only covers a few states. Anyone interested in the > > list can e-mail me. It is to large to post to the French-l list. > > > > > > Jeff French > > > > >

Unfortunately, that turns out not to be the case. I just looked at the original and there's definitely no "French" there, nor is there any other person with surname French on the entire page (which is three columns wide). Of course there's also no room for a longer name as the names touch the borders on both sides. Dave Dardinger ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:07 AM Subject: Re: [FRENCH-L] 1790 census - Joseph Jun & Joseph Sen -- curious > > In a message dated 8/18/04 11:38:56 PM, [email protected] writes: > > << 1790 Census: Pendleton SC > > Listed together > > Joseph Land Jun 1 1 1 [husband, wife, minor son-HH] > > Joseph Land Sen 1 1 3 [husband, wife, minor male, and two other females-HH]>> > _____________ > J. > > The error (lack of a surname) probably is in transcription rather than an > omission of the census taker. A look at the original should solve the issue. > > Brackets [] are added. Joseph FRENCH of NJ would have been married since > 1749 (41 years). His youngest known daughter, Mary, was married 1781. If Joseph > FRENCH, Sr., NJ, this Census could reflect younger adult female with children > in addition to Joseph (Sr.) and wife. > > If Joseph FRENCH, Jr., son of Joseph of NJ, we now know that he was married > with child before he left the area. > > This is exploratory, thus conjecture at this point. > > Best regards, > Hugh > >

In a message dated 8/18/04 11:38:56 PM, [email protected] writes: << 1790 Census: Pendleton SC Listed together Joseph Land Jun 1 1 1 [husband, wife, minor son-HH] Joseph Land Sen 1 1 3 [husband, wife, minor male, and two other females-HH]>> _____________ J. The error (lack of a surname) probably is in transcription rather than an omission of the census taker. A look at the original should solve the issue. Brackets [] are added. Joseph FRENCH of NJ would have been married since 1749 (41 years). His youngest known daughter, Mary, was married 1781. If Joseph FRENCH, Sr., NJ, this Census could reflect younger adult female with children in addition to Joseph (Sr.) and wife. If Joseph FRENCH, Jr., son of Joseph of NJ, we now know that he was married with child before he left the area. This is exploratory, thus conjecture at this point. Best regards, Hugh

In a message dated 8/18/04 8:33:23 AM US Mountain Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/) > Have tried using this address but it have problem with it not going through. Any suggestions ? Beverly French-Harms